2013 NFC North/NFL Thread

[Lennys Tap]

Sheesh! I didn't compare Cutler and Rodgers in terms of skills or stats or accomplishments. All I said was that had the outcome of one game gone a different way, the perception of those two players' careers would be vastly different.

Do any of your disagree with that?



At least one poster on here has some reading comprehension skills.

Vastly different perceptions of a career based on one play or one game? Only if those doing the perceiving are myopic.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Still waiting for all those Flacco and Roethlisberger commercials.  Its more than just winning the super bowl

Flacco is doing some commercials, even a national one with McDonald's.  Ben has some damaged goods issues to deal with which has kept companies from signing him up.


Joe doesn't have a high Q score, so it's not surprising that most of his commericals are Baltimore based like 1st Mariner Bank, etc. 

[hairy worthen]

I bet you're a Packers fan, right?  Very difficult to get an objective perception if you are.

I'm just saying - he's as arrogant and cocky as anyone else.  Always with the smartass comments during his interviews.  Always looks displeased.  I'm sure others see him that way, also.

I am not saying I don't view cutler negative because I am a packer fan at all, nor Rodgers positive because I am a packer fan. You said that.  I am saying if you poll the average non packer and bear fan and ask them who is the more likeable guy between Rodgers and cutler, it wouldn't be close. Your hatred for the packers skew how you view  Rodgers.  Still waiting for those whiney comments from Rodgers

[Spotcheck Billy]

Rodgers did seem to bitch at team mates and whine alot more the first couple of years he was a starter but to me it looks like he's toned that down quite a bit since regardless (irregardless?) what Greg Jennings said

[hairy worthen]

Flacco is doing some commercials, even a national one with McDonald's.  Ben has some damaged goods issues to deal with which has kept companies from signing him up.


Joe doesn't have a high Q score, so it's not surprising that most of his commericals are Baltimore based like 1st Mariner Bank, etc. 

well that's my point, it is just as much about personality and the individual as it is winning.

[hairy worthen]

Rodgers did seem to bitch at team mates and whine alot more the first couple of years he was a starter but to me it looks like he's toned that down quite a bit since regardless what Greg Jennings said

Bitch at players yes, whine no

[MarsupialMadness]

I am not saying I don't view cutler negative because I am a packer fan at all, nor Rodgers positive because I am a packer fan. You said that.  I am saying if you poll the average non packer and bear fan and ask them who is the more likeable guy between Rodgers and cutler, it wouldn't be close. Your hatred for the packers skew how you view  Rodgers.  Still waiting for those whiney comments from Rodgers

I'm not saying Cutler is more likeable than Rodgers.  I'm saying that many others also view Rodgers as an arrogant, cocky, smartass.  And if you can't see that, then it's probably because you are a Packers fan. 

[MarsupialMadness]

Bitch at players yes, whine no

Bitching, whining... guess I should have differntiated?

[MerrittsMustache]

I am not saying I don't view cutler negative because I am a packer fan at all, nor Rodgers positive because I am a packer fan. You said that.  I am saying if you poll the average non packer and bear fan and ask them who is the more likeable guy between Rodgers and cutler, it wouldn't be close. Your hatred for the packers skew how you view  Rodgers.  Still waiting for those whiney comments from Rodgers

If Cutler had Rodgers' ring, leading to a couple goofy commercials with Da Super Fans, people would find him more likable and view Rodgers as a whiny Dan Fouts. Aaannnd...we're back to where we started.

[jesmu84]

Uh, pretty sure winning erases any image problems. Look at tom Brady this season. Bitches at his teammates, looks pissed on the sidelines, but no one makes a stink about him.

[hairy worthen]

Bitching, whining... guess I should have differntiated?

There is  a big difference between calling out players and whining.  most qbs yell at receivers occasionally. Do you have a problem with Brady doing it?

[Hards Alumni]

I'm not saying Cutler is more likeable than Rodgers.  I'm saying that many others also view Rodgers as an arrogant, cocky, smartass.  And if you can't see that, then it's probably because you are a Packers fan.  

But that makes no sense.  I have never heard in the media that he is an arrogant, cocky, smartass.  Literally zero times.  Feel free to point to a national personality doing it (Obviously, Chicago media or your neighbor doesn't count).  

Would you hire an arrogant, cocky, smartass to be the face of your commercial campaign?  I sure wouldn't.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/14567073/twosecond-video-clip-doesnt-at-all-capture-rodgers  

Yeah, what a total arrogant, cocky, smartass.

Get real.

[CreightonWarrior]

There's also this that just got posted on CBS Sports today: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24198782/aaron-rodgers-makes-music-with-girl-suffering-from-spina-bifida

[MerrittsMustache]

Would you hire an arrogant, cocky, smartass to be the face of your commercial campaign?  I sure wouldn't.

So you wouldn't want Michael Jordan, LeBron or Tom Brady in a commercial for your company?  

[MerrittsMustache]

You really want to turn this into a pointless charity-work/nice-guy pi$$ing contest? Cool.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000084679/article/jay-cutler-hosts-family-of-slain-chicago-bears-fan

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/4422823-419/bears-not-bothered-by-silent-treatment.html

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2011/04/jay_cutler_hosting_charity_din.html

http://www.littlegiraffefoundation.org/2012-Jay-Cutler-Charity-Drive

There. Both guys do charity work and are genuinely decent guys. Glad we got that cleared up.

[CreightonWarrior]

There. Both guys do charity work and are genuinely decent guys. Glad we got that cleared up.

Yeah but Cutler's kind of a douche

[SaintPaulWarrior]

Yeah but Cutler's kind of a douche

Completely not a douche. Have you ever met him?  Good news is that the non-douche is cleared to play.

http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/jay-cutler-cleared-play-expected-start-vs-lions

[Hards Alumni]

You really want to turn this into a pointless charity-work/nice-guy pi$$ing contest? Cool.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000084679/article/jay-cutler-hosts-family-of-slain-chicago-bears-fan

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/4422823-419/bears-not-bothered-by-silent-treatment.html

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2011/04/jay_cutler_hosting_charity_din.html

http://www.littlegiraffefoundation.org/2012-Jay-Cutler-Charity-Drive

There. Both guys do charity work and are genuinely decent guys. Glad we got that cleared up.

I want to just as much as some people want to turn it into a contest about who is more arrogant, cocky, and a bigger smartass.

[MerrittsMustache]

I want to just as much as some people want to turn it into a contest about who is more arrogant, cocky, and a bigger smartass.

No one said that either guy was more arrogant or cocky. Just that both guys are. However, you don't want to take off your blinders and admit that St. Aaron has his flaws.

[Hards Alumni]

No one said that either guy was more arrogant or cocky. Just that both guys are. However, you don't want to take off your blinders and admit that St. Aaron has his flaws.

Talk about putting words in my mouth.

[JWags85]

I always find it interesting in these arguments that people are willing to pass judgement on how one person is off the field but be willing to defend the other as the opposite, despite never having met either of them.

Both QBs seem to be genuinely good dudes.  People run into Rodgers in Milwaukee and he is gracious and friendly from the majority of stories Ive gotten.  Cutler actually has a great reputation around the city from people who have actually met him.  He's funny and engaging on his radio show, he does ALOT of charity work under the radar (visits children's hospital downtown near his apartment all the time with little fanfare) and is a goofy dude (remember the Ditka shirt from a early season presser?  Its from one of the sports blogs that he has a back and forth with). They are both in the top 1% of what they do in the world, so naturally you're going to have an arrogance, confidence, and slanted view of self.

The difference, as mentioned ad nauseum, is Rodgers likes to play up the PR aspect of his position, and Cutler doesn't seem to put as much emphasis on it, especially when it comes to national media (which is a salient point as well as Cutler has a generally good relationship with Chicago sportswriters and the like).

I only get miffed, and defensive, as a Bears fan when people try to extrapolate that into Cutler being an overall douche and Rodgers being such a likeable guy.  Who gives a damn what Tom Jackson says.  Lets all go into your workplace and see you at times of extreme stress and challenge and make judgements about the rest of your life as a result.

I like Rodgers, I like Cutler, people needing to degrade one to be a fan of the other is just stupid

[brandx]

Uh, pretty sure winning erases any image problems. Look at tom Brady this season. Bitches at his teammates, looks pissed on the sidelines, but no one makes a stink about him.

Maybe Cutler should try winning to change his image.

[Hards Alumni]

Maybe Cutler should try winning to change his image.

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/eddf45fddl/jay-cutler-2/

Lots of winners on this list who are disliked.  Sometimes public perception is wrong, sometimes it isn't.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

anybody that mentions Todd Collins on this board again is a feckin dead man.

[MerrittsMustache]

The difference, as mentioned ad nauseum, is Rodgers likes to play up the PR aspect of his position, and Cutler doesn't seem to put as much emphasis on it, especially when it comes to national media (which is a salient point as well as Cutler has a generally good relationship with Chicago sportswriters and the like).

I only get miffed, and defensive, as a Bears fan when people try to extrapolate that into Cutler being an overall douche and Rodgers being such a likeable guy.  Who gives a damn what Tom Jackson says.  Lets all go into your workplace and see you at times of extreme stress and challenge and make judgements about the rest of your life as a result.

I like Rodgers, I like Cutler, people needing to degrade one to be a fan of the other is just stupid

What I find very interesting is that Bears fan will admit that Cutler can be a jerk but we defend him because he's OUR jerk. Packer fans are completely unwilling to even entertain the notion that Rodgers has some jerk-ish tendencies.