2013 NFC North/NFL Thread

[hairy worthen]

Sheesh! I didn't compare Cutler and Rodgers in terms of skills or stats or accomplishments. All I said was that had the outcome of one game gone a different way, the perception of those two players' careers would be vastly different.

Do any of your disagree with that?



At least one poster on here has some reading comprehension skills.

Yes I disagree with that. 

  Cutler is widely regarded as a douche (fairly or unfairly) and not just by Packer fans. Perception is reality.  I don't think winning a championship or super bowl would change that. To me, its his demeanor, facial expressions and body language. I am not sure winning a championship game would automatically make him a beloved figure. Its not just about winning, the bears have been fairly successful.  There are plenty of quarterbacks that have won less than Cutler but are not as widely regarded as an ass.

You can say "what if" all you want, but you can play that game with almost anything. The reality is what actually happened. 

[Hards Alumni]

The problem with Jay is that he has a huge image problem.  He has a pouty face, yells at his teammates, and isn't a great QB. 

Rodgers on the other hand, smiles, shows he enjoys the game (yes he also yells at his teammates), is a great QB, and has a great PR game.

[hairy worthen]

The problem with Jay is that he has a huge image problem.  He has a pouty face, yells at his teammates, and isn't a great QB. 

Rodgers on the other hand, smiles, shows he enjoys the game (yes he also yells at his teammates), is a great QB, and has a great PR game.

Exactly, and its not just about winning.

[TallTitan34]

During the game a Packer fan friend of mine told me Wallace throws like Uncle Rico.  Looks like he nailed it.
http://www.youtube.com/v/bcuktZe72ZI

[mugrad2006]

Cutler just missed the right timing.  If cigarette commercials were still allowed on TV, "Smokin' Jay Cutler" would just own anything Rodgers currently does.

[NavinRJohnson]

During the game a Packer fan friend of mine told me Wallace throws like Uncle Rico.  Looks like he nailed it.
http://www.youtube.com/v/bcuktZe72ZI

That's my concern as well. Maybe I'm just spoiled from watching Rodgers and Favre all these years, but I watch plenty pf football, and ot took about 2 pass attempts to figure put that he can't make NFL throws. I'm sure they can do some preparation to figure out to get him through the next few games against pretty bad teams, but I think I may be more concerned than most.

[hairy worthen]

That's my concern as well. Maybe I'm just spoiled from watching Rodgers and Favre all these years, but I watch plenty pf football, and ot took about 2 pass attempts to figure put that he can't make NFL throws. I'm sure they can do some preparation to figure out to get him through the next few games against pretty bad teams, but I think I may be more concerned than most.

That pass that was tipped and picked off by peppers was ridiculous.  He threw it side arm right into his head. They are going to have to move him out of the pocket. He is too short, and throws sidearm, to stand in the pocket and throw over tall d lineman.  On top of that he doesn't look very mobile.

Part of it was the play calling. I know McCarthy didn't want to put too much on the qb but calling runs on 1st and 2nd down when they are loading up the box and then making Wallace throw on third and long when everyone and their mother know he has to throw, is a recipe for disaster. No qb would do well with that.

[MerrittsMustache]

Yes I disagree with that. 

  Cutler is widely regarded as a douche (fairly or unfairly) and not just by Packer fans. Perception is reality.  I don't think winning a championship or super bowl would change that. To me, its his demeanor, facial expressions and body language. I am not sure winning a championship game would automatically make him a beloved figure. Its not just about winning, the bears have been fairly successful.  There are plenty of quarterbacks that have won less than Cutler but are not as widely regarded as an ass.

You can say "what if" all you want, but you can play that game with almost anything. The reality is what actually happened. 

That's where we differ and I believe you're completely wrong. Winning cures all. It always has and it always will.

Would Cutler become a beloved American sports figure if he wins a Super Bowl? Doubtful, but he would be viewed in a much more positive light.

[GGGG]

Even Wallace's couple of deep balls weren't really thrown with much zip.

That being said, I do think that getting him first team reps with a game plan that more fits his skills is going to have better results this Sunday.  As I mentioned, it is a good thing that they are playing three weaker opponents in the coming weeks.

[GGGG]

That's where we differ and I believe you're completely wrong. Winning cures all. It always has and it always will.

Would Cutler become a beloved American sports figure if he wins a Super Bowl? Doubtful, but he would be viewed in a much more positive light.

He would be viewed pretty much like Joe Flacco is now.

[hairy worthen]

That's where we differ and I believe you're completely wrong. Winning cures all. It always has and it always will.

Would Cutler become a beloved American sports figure if he wins a Super Bowl? Doubtful, but he would be viewed in a much more positive light.

Well I know one thing for sure. You will keep hoping that he wins a super bowl, to prove your point and I will keep hoping that he loses so we never find out for sure.

[ChicosBailBonds]

He would be viewed pretty much like Joe Flacco is now.

Flacco has 9 playoff wins....not bad. 

[GGGG]

Flacco has 9 playoff wins....not bad. 

I'm not saying he's a bad quarterback.  I just think the national perception of him is that he is a decent quarterback with a bland personality who won with a defensive-oriented team.  That is pretty much what Cutler's rep would have been.

Now if Rodgers hadn't won the Super Bowl...and ended his career without winning one?  Probably would be viewed as a lesser version of Dan Marino.  Great numbers.  Won a lot of games.  Didn't do it when it mattered.

But Rodgers has one a Super Bowl...and Cutler hasn't yet.  So it's all speculation.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm not saying he's a bad quarterback.  I just think the national perception of him is that he is a decent quarterback with a bland personality who won with a defensive-oriented team.  That is pretty much what Cutler's rep would have been.

Now if Rodgers hadn't won the Super Bowl...and ended his career without winning one?  Probably would be viewed as a lesser version of Dan Marino.  Great numbers.  Won a lot of games.  Didn't do it when it mattered.

But Rodgers has one a Super Bowl...and Cutler hasn't yet.  So it's all speculation.

I agree, that is the perception.  Just as Romo is viewed as not getting it done when it matters, yet he has the highest 4th quarter rating in NFL (4th all time for all QB rating, not just 4th quarter) and 5th in 4th quarter comeback wins among active players.  Perceptions definitely play a role.

[CreightonWarrior]

That's where we differ and I believe you're completely wrong. Winning cures all. It always has and it always will.

Would Cutler become a beloved American sports figure if he wins a Super Bowl? Doubtful, but he would be viewed in a much more positive light.

I think Eli is the perfect example of this.

[MarsupialMadness]

Yes I disagree with that.  

 Cutler is widely regarded as a douche (fairly or unfairly) and not just by Packer fans. Perception is reality.  I don't think winning a championship or super bowl would change that. To me, its his demeanor, facial expressions and body language. I am not sure winning a championship game would automatically make him a beloved figure. Its not just about winning, the bears have been fairly successful.  There are plenty of quarterbacks that have won less than Cutler but are not as widely regarded as an ass.

You can say "what if" all you want, but you can play that game with almost anything. The reality is what actually happened.  

I agree on the perception of Cutler being a douche, but Rodgers gives off the same impression to a lot of people as well.  Like you said, it's not just about winning, and I don't think Rodger's superbowl and MVP have given him a pass in some people's mind.  Rodgers can be as arrogant and cocky as any other player in the league.  He always seems to have this smirk on his face, and his body language can be just as bad as Cutler's.  He also whines a lot.  The fact that he is really good at what he does (one of the best at what he does) I think allows some people to look past his attitude, but not everyone.

[GGGG]

I agree on the perception of Cutler being a douche, but Rodgers gives off the same impression to a lot of people as well.  Like you said, it's not just about winning, and I don't think Rodger's superbowl and MVP have given him a pass in some people's mind.  Rodgers can be as arrogant and cocky as any other player in the league.  He always seems to have this smirk on his face, and his body language can be just as bad as Cutler's.  He also whines a lot.  The fact that he is really good at what he does (one of the best at what he does) I think allows some people to look past his attitude, but not everyone.

Can Rodgers be a douche?  Sure.  Every NFL quarterback can...and probably is.  But the difference is that Rodgers seems to have plenty of moments where he is pretty endearing.  You can't say that about Cutler.

[Hards Alumni]

I agree on the perception of Cutler being a douche, but Rodgers gives off the same impression to a lot of people as well.  Like you said, it's not just about winning, and I don't think Rodger's superbowl and MVP have given him a pass in some people's mind.  Rodgers can be as arrogant and cocky as any other player in the league.  He always seems to have this smirk on his face, and his body language can be just as bad as Cutler's.  He also whines a lot.  The fact that he is really good at what he does (one of the best at what he does) I think allows some people to look past his attitude, but not everyone.

I think you're kind of alone here on this one.  I don't hear this sort of thing except from BBFs (Bitter Bear Fans).

[hairy worthen]

I agree on the perception of Cutler being a douche, but Rodgers gives off the same impression to a lot of people as well.  Like you said, it's not just about winning, and I don't think Rodger's superbowl and MVP have given him a pass in some people's mind.  Rodgers can be as arrogant and cocky as any other player in the league.  He always seems to have this smirk on his face, and his body language can be just as bad as Cutler's.  He also whines a lot.  The fact that he is really good at what he does (one of the best at what he does) I think allows some people to look past his attitude, but not everyone.

I bet you are a bears fan or Vikings fan, right? Very difficult to get an objective perception if you are.  

Most qbs are arrogant.  I would like you to cite some examples of Rodgers "whining"  I think the contrary is true.  In general, Rodgers has a likeable personality to the general non bear or Viking fan.   If not, companies wouldn't be so eager to have him pimping their products

[SaintPaulWarrior]

  If not, companies wouldn't be so eager to have him pimping their products

I just canceled my State Farm homeowners and switched to a different company because they have a whiny spokesman.

[MerrittsMustache]

I bet you are a bears fan or Vikings fan, right? Very difficult to get an objective perception if you are.  

Most qbs are arrogant.  I would like you to cite some examples of Rodgers "whining"  I think the contrary is true.  In general, Rodgers has a likeable personality to the general non bear or Viking fan.   If not, companies wouldn't be so eager to have him pimping their products

Without that ring on his finger, do you think companies would still be so eager to have him pimping their products?

[hairy worthen]

Without that ring on his finger, do you think companies would still be so eager to have him pimping their products?

Still waiting for all those Flacco and Roethlisberger commercials.  Its more than just winning the super bowl

[CreightonWarrior]

Still waiting for all those Flacco and Roethlisberger commercials.  Its more than just winning the super bowl

Flacco does have the huge McDonalds campaign with Kaep. Rapelisberger is in his own separate category though thanks to his CO incident.

[MarsupialMadness]

I bet you are a bears fan or Vikings fan, right? Very difficult to get an objective perception if you are.  

Most qbs are arrogant.  I would like you to cite some examples of Rodgers "whining"  I think the contrary is true.  In general, Rodgers has a likeable personality to the general non bear or Viking fan.   If not, companies wouldn't be so eager to have him pimping their products

I bet you're a Packers fan, right?  Very difficult to get an objective perception if you are.

I'm just saying - he's as arrogant and cocky as anyone else.  Always with the smartass comments during his interviews.  Always looks displeased.  I'm sure others see him that way, also.

[MarsupialMadness]

Still waiting for all those Flacco and Roethlisberger commercials.  Its more than just winning the super bowl

There are people who like Jay Cutler, too.  He also has endorsements.  People think he's funny... he had that NFL merch commercial last year that a lot of people thought was great... he's been in multiple episodes of The League... his wife is famous for just being famous... perhaps all the "I don't care" mentality is all a part of his PR game.

If he won the superbowl, I guarantee he would have tons of endorsements.