We Need Better Players

[MuMark]

OP lost all credibility when he said McKay did nothing in high school....

He was All State and City conference player of the year as a senior.

Oh....players are evaluated year round now...not just in high school. They play against the best talent in the country in AAU ball and at the camps.

Wilson had a memorable game game against the #1 point guard in 2014 Tyus Jones this past summer. To suggest that he hasn't played against talented players is beyond stupid.

How they will do as frosh is obviously something we will find out but it won't surprise me at all if one or more of them make significant contributions next year.

[Avenue Commons]

When are Milwaukee people going to learn that it is not the high school hoops hotbed they think it is? Who was the last Milwaukee kid drafted? Devin Harris?

Marquette needs to double down on all the talent down I-94.

[mubb34]

Wilson can get his own shot at will...in Division 4 WIAA basketball.  Not exactly the Big East, in my - extremely humble - opinion.

JJJ is doing it at a high *high school* level, but again, nowhere near the Big East, or even the Big Sky, for that matter.


Against D4 basketball? Seriously?!?! They play a bunch of Milwaukee league schools as well as Little Chute, Vincent, and Germantown......

[onepost]

This is the dumbest fucking thread I've ever wasted time reading. Holy crap.

[🏀]

It always blows my mind when first time posters know exactly how the board functions work.

[CAGASS24]

Agree; we have a team full of high level talent; we're finding our way and am thoroughly satisfied with our level of talent on a year by year basis.  My only concern is our current lack of a committed potential impact true center; need one every two years in my opinion.... This post blows

[TeamOh]

OP lost all credibility when he said McKay did nothing in high school....

He was All State and City conference player of the year as a senior.

Oh....players are evaluated year round now...not just in high school. They play against the best talent in the country in AAU ball and at the camps.

Wilson had a memorable game game against the #1 point guard in 2014 Tyus Jones this past summer. To suggest that he hasn't played against talented players is beyond stupid.

How they will do as frosh is obviously something we will find out but it won't surprise me at all if one or more of them make significant contributions next year.

It isn't beyond stupid.  I never said Wilson isn't a top 60 player in the country.  I know he didn't get ranked highly based on the results he is showing in his Dominican season.  But how many freshman in the country make major contributions?  Not too many.  There's a reason for that.  I would not EXPECT major contributions from a player ranked the 60th best player in the country.  Could it happen?  It could, but it's unlikely.  If it does, GREAT!  If it doesn't, 90% of this board will freak out and the other 10% who have a clue will realize there is PLENTY of time for growth and that he will still be a stud.  The fact of the matter is that Wilson goes up against those great point guards a few times a year at most.  Big East players go up against those players EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE YEAR!  The gap in competition from a night to night basis between a high school senior and a Big East player is INSANELY HUGE!  This is why freshman oftentimes have a very difficult time adjusting immediately to college basketball.  It happens to all but the very very top freshman in the country.  It will happen to Wilson, and Burton, and Johnson, and Dawson.  What used to be enough space to shoot a jumper for them will all of a sudden become a smaller window because of the increased size and athleticism of opponents.  What used to be getting a half step on a defender will become giving up a half step to the defender.  What used to be just out jumping a player for a rebound will become having to get into the guy to get the rebound.  College ball is a whole different animal, regardless of whether you play Tyus Jones once a year or not.

And for those of you who think the City League is a good league and the WIAA is strong, it is not at all.  Vincent is not a good high school basketball team (which doesn't mean Deonte Burton is not a good player...just that they aren't a good team), so pointing out that Dominican has played them really means nothing.  Just look at what Germantown is doing.  They have won over 40 games straight now with an average margine of victory over 40 points.  GERMANTOWN!  They have Fischer, and then..........?  The Showalter kid?  Who isn't very good in terms of college prospects.  I mean seriously, they have 1 kid on their team who is going to play Division 1 basketball and they haven't lost a game in a year and a half, winning every game by nearly half of a hundred points.  It's embarrassing.

[Newsdreams]

TeamOh = Teamdee

Not quite.

So, roommates? Friends? 

[BM1090]

Not sure if TeamOhh is a troll but his English is more developed than teamdee's. So unless he was playing dumb, I doubt it is the same person.

The only thing I agree with is that Burton will take a while to get assimilated here. I watched him play tonight and his coach has him starting at point guard. He had a lot of trouble with his passing against a weak Milwaukee North team. However, his shot form is perfectly fine, even if it doesn't go in all that often.

[Dawson Rental]

You forgot John Dawson. People says he's very underrated.

Or, as I like to refer to him, The Farm Boy of Clovis!

[Dawson Rental]

It isn't beyond stupid.  I never said Wilson isn't a top 60 player in the country.  I know he didn't get ranked highly based on the results he is showing in his Dominican season.  But how many freshman in the country make major contributions?  Not too many.  There's a reason for that.  I would not EXPECT major contributions from a player ranked the 60th best player in the country.  Could it happen?  It could, but it's unlikely.  If it does, GREAT!  If it doesn't, 90% of this board will freak out and the other 10% who have a clue will realize there is PLENTY of time for growth and that he will still be a stud.  The fact of the matter is that Wilson goes up against those great point guards a few times a year at most.  Big East players go up against those players EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE YEAR!  The gap in competition from a night to night basis between a high school senior and a Big East player is INSANELY HUGE!  This is why freshman oftentimes have a very difficult time adjusting immediately to college basketball.  It happens to all but the very very top freshman in the country.  It will happen to Wilson, and Burton, and Johnson, and Dawson.  What used to be enough space to shoot a jumper for them will all of a sudden become a smaller window because of the increased size and athleticism of opponents.  What used to be getting a half step on a defender will become giving up a half step to the defender.  What used to be just out jumping a player for a rebound will become having to get into the guy to get the rebound.  College ball is a whole different animal, regardless of whether you play Tyus Jones once a year or not.

And for those of you who think the City League is a good league and the WIAA is strong, it is not at all.  Vincent is not a good high school basketball team (which doesn't mean Deonte Burton is not a good player...just that they aren't a good team), so pointing out that Dominican has played them really means nothing.  Just look at what Germantown is doing.  They have won over 40 games straight now with an average margine of victory over 40 points.  GERMANTOWN!  They have Fischer, and then..........?  The Showalter kid?  Who isn't very good in terms of college prospects.  I mean seriously, they have 1 kid on their team who is going to play Division 1 basketball and they haven't lost a game in a year and a half, winning every game by nearly half of a hundred points.  It's embarrassing.

Big East Season = 18 games.  Typical college season equals approx 31 games.  Every Day of the year = 365, occasionally 366 days.  It will be very hard for the freshman to improve since practices will be minimal with a game every day.

Avoiding hyperbole, is a good way to avoid getting jumped on, on initial posts.

[MU82]

Buzz:

"Better players? Better players? Why didn't I think of that! D'oh!!!"

[Wareagle]

It isn't beyond stupid.  I never said Wilson isn't a top 60 player in the country.  I know he didn't get ranked highly based on the results he is showing in his Dominican season.  But how many freshman in the country make major contributions?  Not too many.  There's a reason for that.  I would not EXPECT major contributions from a player ranked the 60th best player in the country.  Could it happen?  It could, but it's unlikely.  If it does, GREAT!  If it doesn't, 90% of this board will freak out and the other 10% who have a clue will realize there is PLENTY of time for growth and that he will still be a stud.  The fact of the matter is that Wilson goes up against those great point guards a few times a year at most.  Big East players go up against those players EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE YEAR!  The gap in competition from a night to night basis between a high school senior and a Big East player is INSANELY HUGE!  This is why freshman oftentimes have a very difficult time adjusting immediately to college basketball.  It happens to all but the very very top freshman in the country.  It will happen to Wilson, and Burton, and Johnson, and Dawson.  What used to be enough space to shoot a jumper for them will all of a sudden become a smaller window because of the increased size and athleticism of opponents.  What used to be getting a half step on a defender will become giving up a half step to the defender.  What used to be just out jumping a player for a rebound will become having to get into the guy to get the rebound.  College ball is a whole different animal, regardless of whether you play Tyus Jones once a year or not.

And for those of you who think the City League is a good league and the WIAA is strong, it is not at all.  Vincent is not a good high school basketball team (which doesn't mean Deonte Burton is not a good player...just that they aren't a good team), so pointing out that Dominican has played them really means nothing.  Just look at what Germantown is doing.  They have won over 40 games straight now with an average margine of victory over 40 points.  GERMANTOWN!  They have Fischer, and then..........?  The Showalter kid?  Who isn't very good in terms of college prospects.  I mean seriously, they have 1 kid on their team who is going to play Division 1 basketball and they haven't lost a game in a year and a half, winning every game by nearly half of a hundred points.  It's embarrassing.

Just when I thought you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself!

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It isn't beyond stupid.  I never said Wilson isn't a top 60 player in the country.  I know he didn't get ranked highly based on the results he is showing in his Dominican season.  But how many freshman in the country make major contributions?  Not too many.  There's a reason for that.  I would not EXPECT major contributions from a player ranked the 60th best player in the country.  Could it happen?  It could, but it's unlikely.  If it does, GREAT!  If it doesn't, 90% of this board will freak out and the other 10% who have a clue will realize there is PLENTY of time for growth and that he will still be a stud.  The fact of the matter is that Wilson goes up against those great point guards a few times a year at most.  Big East players go up against those players EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE YEAR!  The gap in competition from a night to night basis between a high school senior and a Big East player is INSANELY HUGE!  This is why freshman oftentimes have a very difficult time adjusting immediately to college basketball.  It happens to all but the very very top freshman in the country.  It will happen to Wilson, and Burton, and Johnson, and Dawson.  What used to be enough space to shoot a jumper for them will all of a sudden become a smaller window because of the increased size and athleticism of opponents.  What used to be getting a half step on a defender will become giving up a half step to the defender.  What used to be just out jumping a player for a rebound will become having to get into the guy to get the rebound.  College ball is a whole different animal, regardless of whether you play Tyus Jones once a year or not.

And for those of you who think the City League is a good league and the WIAA is strong, it is not at all.  Vincent is not a good high school basketball team (which doesn't mean Deonte Burton is not a good player...just that they aren't a good team), so pointing out that Dominican has played them really means nothing.  Just look at what Germantown is doing.  They have won over 40 games straight now with an average margine of victory over 40 points.  GERMANTOWN!  They have Fischer, and then..........?  The Showalter kid?  Who isn't very good in terms of college prospects.  I mean seriously, they have 1 kid on their team who is going to play Division 1 basketball and they haven't lost a game in a year and a half, winning every game by nearly half of a hundred points.  It's embarrassing.

Strong, strong post.

[BCHoopster]

I want better players to, so does every team in the country, except maybe the Top 10 every year.  But for MU to recruit a class like this is crazy, can you feel the cold
everyday you walk out of the house, you recruit a kid from Memphis and New Mexico, a JC kid who could go anywhere, and 2 top players from your town, be happy what you
have and to Buzz, congrats.  I talked to Mike Deane one day and he recruited John Polonowski, Jarrad Lovette and Mike Bargan.  Do you want to go to back to that?  He thought
that was the best he could do, compare.

[TeamOh]

Big East Season = 18 games.  Typical college season equals approx 31 games.  Every Day of the year = 365, occasionally 366 days.  It will be very hard for the freshman to improve since practices will be minimal with a game every day.

Avoiding hyperbole, is a good way to avoid getting jumped on, on initial posts.

So when our MU players are practicing against themselves every day they aren't playing against Big East players? Huh... Here I thought MU was a Big East team... But I'm the dumb one on this board...

[downtown85]

I think TeamOh is still upset that Buzz didn't get Jabari Parker.

[We R Final Four]

When are Milwaukee people going to learn that it is not the high school hoops hotbed they think it is? Who was the last Milwaukee kid drafted? Devin Harris?

Marquette needs to double down on all the talent down I-94.
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When? I don't think that they do, so not sure if you are looking for a time frame.

Diante Garrett.

[MerrittsMustache]

When? I don't think that they do, so not sure if you are looking for a time frame.

Diante Garrett.

Garrett wasn't drafted.

[warriorchick]

I think the name of this thread should be changed to "We Need Better Posters".


I'm just sayin'.  I know I am a noob relative to some of y'all, but seriously, some of the recent walk-ons have made some pretty worthless comments.

[LloydMooresLegs]

I think the name of this thread should be changed to "We Need Better Posters".

+1

[We R Final Four]

Garrett wasn't drafted.

You are correct--first name that I could think of recently playing in the league.


I don't think Wes was drafted either--so not the only way to the league.

[keefe]

Who in the BE over the years would you say were great as freshmen?

Fred Brown, Ewing, Dana Barros, Pearl Washington, Rony S, Derrick Coleman, Iverson, Lawrence Moten, Scoonie Penn, Tim Thomas, Khalid El Amin, Troy Murphy, Troy Bell, Eddie Griffin, Melo, Chris Thomas, Chris Taft, Rudy Gay, Jeff Green, Scottie Reynolds, Dom James, Jonny Flynn, DeJuan Blair, Lance Stephenson among others

[keefe]

It always blows my mind when first time posters know exactly how the board functions work.

There is a correlation between accuracy and tenure on this board? Good Lord but you are delusional

[keefe]

Or, as I like to refer to him, The Farm Boy Ranch Hand or Roper of Clovis!

I know you Midwest boys don't know what ranches are but the cows ain't for milkin