2 IU Freshman Suspended

[MU_MM08]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8601441/ncaa-rules-two-indiana-hoosiers-players-miss-9-games

This has nothing to do with Crean or IU bashing, just that to me the punishment does not fit the crime. Last year Juan Anderson suspended 3 games for accepting Brewers playoff tickets. Tickets cost what maybe $300?!

These guys only suspended 9 games for benefits somewhere between $6000 and $8000 

[Knight Commission]

Whatever.

[77ncaachamps]

"NCAA officials determined that Jurkin and Perea accepted approximately $6,000 and $8,000, respectively, in impermissible benefits from an Indiana University booster while they were in high school. The benefits included plane tickets, meals, housing, a laptop, cellphone and clothing."

Slap on the wrist with the suspension for 9 games?!

[tower912]

Squirmy. 

[Lennys Tap]

Whatever.

If this was MU you'd want the coach beheaded.

[tower912]

Knight Commission has revealed his character before.   

[4everwarriors]

I thought Crean was squeaky clean.

[jesmu84]

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=34113.0

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I thought Crean was squeaky clean.

like a back alley hand job.

[The Process]

like a back alley hand job.

... with LOTS of tanning lotion.

[Pakuni]

If this was MU you'd want the coach beheaded.

He would. And he'd be wrong.
And if the NCAA suspended two promising freshman because of they associated with a guy who made a series of tiny donations in the late 1980s, plenty of people here would be having a fit (and blaming Larry Williams).

[The Equalizer]

He would. And he'd be wrong.
And if the NCAA suspended two promising freshman because of they associated with a guy who made a series of tiny donations in the late 1980s, plenty of people here would be having a fit (and blaming Larry Williams).

Sports Illustrated does a much better job of explaining this story than the so-called "worldwide leader."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/ncaa/11/06/indiana-player-suspensions.ap/index.html

It does, however, explain why MU takes the whole "booster" thing so seriously.  We better hope that nobody assoicated with Burton, Wilson or McKay gave a couple hundred bucks to MU during the Dukiet or O'Neill era.

[GGGG]

Another NCAA joke.  Apparently the only reason these guys are being suspended is because their AAU coach is considered a booster because he gave a gift to IU basketball about 20 years ago.  Otherwise the benefits were OK.

[chapman]

Yep, they received benefits that are considered pretty standard for kids as part of an AAU team.  Because the coach happened to give $185 to Indiana before the kids were even born the NCAA considers him a booster and the benefits impermissible.  Super lame.  If they were our freshmen we'd be livid.

[StillWarriors]

This ruling is absolutely absurd, especially when it appears the "booster" and IU were very much above board with everything. Seems to me the NCAA must have been uncomfortable with something and looking for anything to hang its hat on in issuing the punishments it imposed. IU folks are out of their minds over this one, and I can't blame them. I feel bad for the players.

[ecc5051]

For those people who forgot about Mark Adams.  TC sleeping with the devil.  Win at all cost.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=6587668

[mileskishnish72]

It's obvious that Glass is trying to screw TC.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Because of the Baylor-IU thing, the NCAA had to find something I guess.  Lame.  Kinda like getting Al Capone on income tax evasion.  To me, the bigger question would be:  IU was still on major probation when this and another minor recruiting violation by CTC occurred--doesn't this require NCAA action on the institution? 

Apparently not.  Screw over the kids again, but go soft of the favored member schools like UNC, IU, Duke.

[warriorchick]

Yep, they received benefits that are considered pretty standard for kids as part of an AAU team.  Because the coach happened to give $185 to Indiana before the kids were even born the NCAA considers him a booster and the benefits impermissible.  Super lame.  If they were our freshmen we'd be livid.

Apparently IU doesn't send out the same kind of info that Marquette does. The Blue and Gold fund brochure we got yesterday clearly spells out that if you do anything, even once, that marks you as a booster (donating money, providing any kind of service to the program, etc.), the NCAA considers you to be a booster FOR LIFE.  Anyone that involved in AAU programs should have known that.

[Benny B]

When's the last time anyone won their case using the "that's a stupid rule/law" defense?  And why should this be the first?

[Nukem2]

When's the last time anyone won their case using the "that's a stupid rule/law" defense?  And why should this be the first?

True, but the NCAA really needs to review this rule.  Amazing that they could find those records from over 2 decades ago.  Guess IU does not ahave a records retention program under which records are destroyed  after a certain # of years. Even the IRS does not require records after 7 years. 

[Lennys Tap]

He would. And he'd be wrong.
And if the NCAA suspended two promising freshman because of they associated with a guy who made a series of tiny donations in the late 1980s, plenty of people here would be having a fit (and blaming Larry Williams).

They "associated" with Adams to the tune of $14,000 of illegal benefits (that they know about). The booster stuff may be a technicality, but Adams really became a booster when Crean hired his kid and the Indiana Elite floodgates opened up for Crean. Like Dr Blackheart said, this is analogous to Al Capone going to prison for tax evasion when other, more serious stuff couldn't be proven.

[Hards Alumni]

They "associated" with Adams to the tune of $14,000 of illegal benefits (that they know about). The booster stuff may be a technicality, but Adams really became a booster when Crean hired his kid and the Indiana Elite floodgates opened up for Crean. Like Dr Blackheart said, this is analogous to Al Capone going to prison for tax evasion when other, more serious stuff couldn't be proven.

I agree, and something needed to be done.

[Pakuni]

They "associated" with Adams to the tune of $14,000 of illegal benefits (that they know about). The booster stuff may be a technicality, but Adams really became a booster when Crean hired his kid and the Indiana Elite floodgates opened up for Crean. Like Dr Blackheart said, this is analogous to Al Capone going to prison for tax evasion when other, more serious stuff couldn't be proven.

Silly me, I was working under the notion that we only punish people when wrongdoing can be proven, not because of suspicion and innuendo. Good thing that was at least the case after some MU player hijinks in October 2010.

The only thing that made these benefits "illegal" was that Adams gave IU a whopping total of $185 over a 6-year period more than two decades ago.

Seriously, does any objective source out there think IU and these players were treated fairly?

[LloydMooresLegs]

Jay Bilas is right.  The NCAA enforcement division is out of control in emphasizing minor/tenuously connected misconduct, issuing out of proportion sanctions (NINE games to these kids who did NOTHING wrong) and punishing the wrong people (the student athlete rather than the school or the program in some other way, if any punishment is merited).  All the time.  It is ridiculous.