Hiroshima Poll

[Bocephys]

That makes no sense.
It's like pointing out the bad judgments that went into the signings of Brett Roseboro and Aaron Durley, and using it as evidence that Buzz Williams is a poor judge of talent and his every motive and every action must now be questioned. Or Buzz's blow up with MacIlvaine.
After all, the man has shown he's capable of making stupid, dumb and ill conceived decisions.

Of course, it would be foolish to make such claims. Just as it would be foolish to make such claims about LW because you didn't like a quote he gave a newspaper.

I think the point he's getting at is the quote is all we have to go on at this point.  It wasn't an ideal first impression.  You can't say Buzz is a poor judge of talent now because of guys like Crowder and Mayo, but back when the Roseboro thing first happened, many people couldn't believe how poorly Buzz evaluated him. 

You have to judge based on all of the facts, and we simply don't have many right now on LW.

[Pakuni]

I think the point he's getting at is the quote is all we have to go on at this point.  It wasn't an ideal first impression.  You can't say Buzz is a poor judge of talent now because of guys like Crowder and Mayo, but back when the Roseboro thing first happened, many people couldn't believe how poorly Buzz evaluated him. 

You have to judge based on all of the facts, and we simply don't have many right now on LW.

Larry Williams didn't arrive at Marquette without a resume. He has a track record of significant success elsewhere.
Whether that success carries over to MU remains to be seen, but to start off with the assumption he's incompetent because you don't like a newspaper quote (and, let's face it, plenty here seem to dislike him simply because of where he went to school) hardly is fair or accurate.

[Rubie Q]

I think the point he's getting at is the quote is all we have to go on at this point.  It wasn't an ideal first impression.  You can't say Buzz is a poor judge of talent now because of guys like Crowder and Mayo, but back when the Roseboro thing first happened, many people couldn't believe how poorly Buzz evaluated him. 

You have to judge based on all of the facts, and we simply don't have many right now on LW.

Well, we have the facts that:

(1) Buzz is still here.
(2) It doesn't appear, at this point, that any of the kids were "forced" off the team.
(3) Buzz was apparently given something of a blank check to land an assistant coach that he *REALLY* wanted.

Those are good things. Right?

[NersEllenson]

Larry Williams didn't arrive at Marquette without a resume. He has a track record of significant success elsewhere.
Whether that success carries over to MU remains to be seen, but to start off with the assumption he's incompetent because you don't like a newspaper quote (and, let's face it, plenty here seem to dislike him simply because of where he went to school) hardly is fair or accurate.

Can you clarify what his track record of significant success elsewhere has been?  Because he played in NFL doesn't make him accomplished as an athletic director.  Furthermore, to try to say because Buzz has missed on some players he signed with regard to talent evaluation (very subjective..and at times you take a flyer on a kid anyway), correlates to bad decision-making...and therefore is on par with the lack of common sense exhibited by Larry Williams in making the comments is not a valid argument.

I personally could care less if he want to Notre Dame...if the guy was a Marquette grad, I'd have called him an idiot too for making the comments LW made.

On a more basic level - do you feel LW's comments to the JS about Buzz illustrated common sense/good judgement?

[bilsu]

The blame for missing on the talent evaluation of players somewhat falls on the assistants, who do a large part of the leg work. Everyone one knows who the top notch recruits are. When MU does not get them they have to look for diamonds in the rough and that is often where the assistants come in. I forget which assistant, but one of them found Roseboro. Of course Buzz is responsible for the assistants. When Buzz started as MU's coach, he had no real track record, which meant he had to take chances. Some worked and some did not, which is what you would expect.

[SaintPaulWarrior]

Can you clarify what his track record of significant success elsewhere has been?  Because he played in NFL doesn't make him accomplished as an athletic director.  Furthermore, to try to say because Buzz has missed on some players he signed with regard to talent evaluation (very subjective..and at times you take a flyer on a kid anyway), correlates to bad decision-making...and therefore is on par with the lack of common sense exhibited by Larry Williams in making the comments is not a valid argument.

I personally could care less if he want to Notre Dame...if the guy was a Marquette grad, I'd have called him an idiot too for making the comments LW made.

On a more basic level - do you feel LW's comments to the JS about Buzz illustrated common sense/good judgement?

Just answering your question.

During the 2009-10 season, the Pilots finished fifth nationally among Division I non-football schools in a ranking based on performance in all sports. Five programs were nationally ranked during their respective seasons and five teams advanced to postseason play.

Under Williams' guidance, the Pilots claimed a second NCAA Division I Championship in women's soccer in 2005. The men's cross country program has advanced to eight consecutive NCAA Championships, while the men's basketball program earned its first national ranking in 50 years. The men's basketball program has advanced to the postseason each of the last two seasons.

Dozens of Pilot student-athletes earned academic honors.

[Earl Tatum]

Screw everything that pertains to Hiroshima. Sucks

[Lennys Tap]

Larry Williams didn't arrive at Marquette without a resume. He has a track record of significant success elsewhere.
Whether that success carries over to MU remains to be seen, but to start off with the assumption he's incompetent because you don't like a newspaper quote (and, let's face it, plenty here seem to dislike him simply because of where he went to school) hardly is fair or accurate.

First, i don't care that Larry Williams went to ND, nor did I care that Steve Cottingham went to UW, etc. Many here are/were more than ready to needle Larry (or Steve) about it, but I'd guess that very few here really have reservations about LW based on where he went to college.

Second, I found the Buzz/Mac postgame exchange as disturbing as I found Larry William's remarks to the Journal about Buzz - until Buzz admitted that he misinterpreted something Jim had said and apologized vociferously to Mac on the air. When Larry likewise publicly apologizes to Buzz for his Journal interview he'll be aces with me. Til then I'll assume he stands by what he said which makes him a dick (and not a particularly bright dick) in my book.  

[Rubie Q]

First, i don't care that Larry Williams went to ND, nor did I care that Steve Cottingham went to UW, etc. Many here are/were more than ready to needle Larry (or Steve) about it, but I'd guess that very few here really have reservations about LW based on where he went to college.

Second, I found the Buzz/Mac postgame exchange as disturbing as I found Larry William's remarks to the Journal about Buzz - until Buzz admitted that he misinterpreted something Jim had said and apologized vociferously to Mac on the air. When Larry likewise publicly apologizes to Buzz for his Journal interview he'll be aces with me. Til then I'll assume he stands by what he said which makes him a dick (and not a particularly bright dick) in my book.  

For pointing out that Buzz can sometimes be wound a little too tightly for everyone's good, a fact which Buzz himself has acknowledged? We're still really hung up on this?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

First, i don't care that Larry Williams went to ND, nor did I care that Steve Cottingham went to UW, etc. Many here are/were more than ready to needle Larry (or Steve) about it, but I'd guess that very few here really have reservations about LW based on where he went to college.

Second, I found the Buzz/Mac postgame exchange as disturbing as I found Larry William's remarks to the Journal about Buzz - until Buzz admitted that he misinterpreted something Jim had said and apologized vociferously to Mac on the air. When Larry likewise publicly apologizes to Buzz for his Journal interview he'll be aces with me. Til then I'll assume he stands by what he said which makes him a dick (and not a particularly bright dick) in my book.  

Personally, I didn't find LW comments that crazy. However, if Buzz did (and that's what matters), then I hope LW patched it up with Buzz. For me, there is no need for a public apology. As long as those guys can operate together professionally, I'm cool.

[Lennys Tap]

For pointing out that Buzz can sometimes be wound a little too tightly for everyone's good, a fact which Buzz himself has acknowledged? We're still really hung up on this?

Find me an AD worth his salt who would a) suggest he can make his coaches better or b) publicly rip his coach's demeanor after an extremely minor matter that's been apologiged for ad infinitum.

A decent AD handles these things in private, not in the newspaper. Larry made a stupid, rookie (this isn't Portland) mistake. Apologize (see Buzz Williams) and it's quickly behind you. Don't and doubts over your judgement linger.

[Rubie Q]

Find me an AD worth his salt who would a) suggest he can make his coaches better or b) publicly rip his coach's demeanor after an extremely minor matter that's been apologiged for ad infinitum.

A decent AD handles these things in private, not in the newspaper. Larry made a stupid, rookie (this isn't Portland) mistake. Apologize (see Buzz Williams) and it's quickly behind you. Don't and doubts over your judgement linger.

As 2002 pointed out: maybe that's exactly what he did, assuming Buzz was mortally offended by his comments (which I have a hard time believing to be the case, but whatevs). Why do we have to know about it?

[Lennys Tap]

As 2002 pointed out: maybe that's exactly what he did, assuming Buzz was mortally offended by his comments (which I have a hard time believing to be the case, but whatevs). Why do we have to know about it?

Sorry, but I would never trust a guy who apologizes privately for something said or done publicly. Man up.

[Rubie Q]

Sorry, but I would never trust a guy who apologizes privately for something said or done publicly. Man up.

So: that's it? Your mind is made up about Larry Williams, no matter what he does in the future? Seems harsh, but that's your prerogative.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Sorry, but I would never trust a guy who apologizes privately for something said or done publicly. Man up.

It all depends on the relationship and how they get along.

Might be better if they just had a beer and chatted vs. a public announcement for some quotes that nobody outside of this board (and possibly Buzz) even noticed.

All conjecture, I suppose. If they share a rack of ribs at the BBQ, I'll take a picture.

/puts tinfoil on head
/feels better

[Lennys Tap]

So: that's it? Your mind is made up about Larry Williams, no matter what he does in the future? Seems harsh, but that's your prerogative.

Absolutely not. I shouldn't have used "never". He said some foolish things in public. Every "public person" will do that from time to time so no big thing. I'm troubled that he left what he said out there without clarification and/or apology because it speaks to his character, but maybe this is an outlier. I hope so. Believe me, I'm hoping Larry will prove over time to be MU's best AD ever.

[GGGG]

I've said it before but LW saying that he wants to help Buzz be a better coach should not be viewed as an insult at all. It is a sign of a supportive boss. He didn't say he was going to "teach him to be a better coach.". He said "help."  That could mean providing resources to visit more clinics...provide resources for assistants...recruiting, etc.

[NersEllenson]

Saying your coach was "happy as a clam to dance across that court, but didn't think for a minute about offending people," and "ties his tie too tight, and he will either explode or irrevocably offend somebody beyond repair," aren't exactly ringing endorsements of a coach who has just delivered your (Larry Williams') university its best back to back post seasons since Al McGuire.

Saying you want to "help Buzz become a better coach," along with the above quotes in the same article reeks of condescending and criticism to me, more than support...

[GGGG]

Well I guess in the end it doesn't matter what any of us thinks about the comment...just what Buzz thinks. If Buzz wasn't offended, or even if he was but no longer is, then our OUTRAGE is misplaced. If Buzz and still is offended by the comments then well ok. But none of us truly know.

[Lennys Tap]

Well I guess in the end it doesn't matter what any of us thinks about the comment...just what Buzz thinks. If Buzz wasn't offended, or even if he was but no longer is, then our OUTRAGE is misplaced. If Buzz and still is offended by the comments then well ok. But none of us truly know.

All true.

[JakeBarnes]

Who's winning the match?

[Canadian Dimes]

As far as the "insider information"... I know a number of people that are very high up.  That is big donors, Homer gives shout outs etc.  i have heard alot of stuff from them over the years.  My guess is 1/3 of the crap i hear comes to fruition. 

[cheebs09]

Might be better if they just had a beer and chatted

I think we all know of a backyard that they could have this Summit in.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Who's winning the match?

State.

[Dawson Rental]

Larry Williams didn't arrive at Marquette without a resume. He has a track record of significant success elsewhere.
Whether that success carries over to MU remains to be seen, but to start off with the assumption he's incompetent because you don't like a newspaper quote (and, let's face it, plenty here seem to dislike him simply because of where he went to school) hardly is fair or accurate.

The man certainly doesn't know his audience if he (as has been rumored) has muttered the words, "The Notre Dame Way".  I can't overstate the cold creepy feeling I get to think that that is our AD's model.