The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread

[Gato78]

That isn't true at all. Crean had a great relationship with Fr. Wild and Greg Kliehban--so much so, he had a sit down apology to them after he left. Crean left for only one resoan: he saw 6 or 7 jobs as elite and Indiana was one of them. He wants to get an NCAA title and Indiana would make that more likely for him. Rectruiting would also be easier for him. He actually pulled the Houdini act because he didn't want Strong and Wild to convince him to stay. Crean did not leave because of the University at all, it was an obstacle to him leaving. Get your facts straight.

Crean left partly because of the university as well.  Crean gave us 9 years.  Buzz would have given us 4 and should be grateful as anyone that MU gave him a lottery ticket to coach this program.  That is also the huge difference.

[Goose]

4ever....sad part is we have seen this movie before. Why does our history have such negative vibes towards ball program from administration? Al fought it, they all have fought it regardless of who is in charge. We are on the cusp of being really, really relevant and not sure why anyone would jag that up.

[muguru]

Run it as he sees fit.  So should he even have a boss?  Should he have any accountability at all, or just run it as he sees fit and whatever happens happens.  If the team gets his university on the front pages for unsavory activity, it's ok because he should be able to run it as he sees fit.

I'd suggest you become a college basketball fan of Kentucky or Memphis where this stuff truly is allowed.

Unsavory activity?? What happened with all the incidents weren't good, but they weren't major incidents either. Does everyone want their athletes to be model kids?? Of course, but sometimes they just aren't. Boys will be boys. The administration is making a mountain out of a mole hill with the things that happened. They are scared. Bottom line, if people would stop talking about it, stop drawing attention to it etc, it would go away.

[4everwarriors]

To a large extent the basketball program here authors the majority of the chapters in the Marquette story. It is the signature that identifies Marquette University.

[Goose]

Gato....you are flat out wrong.

[Canadian Dimes]

Funny... How is shelby still alive ???   

[marquette09]

That isn't true at all. Crean had a great relationship with Fr. Wild and Greg Kliehban--so much so, he had a sit down apology to them after he left. Crean left for only one resoan: he saw 6 or 7 jobs as elite and Indiana was one of them. He wants to get an NCAA title and Indiana would make that more likely for him. Rectruiting would also be easier for him. He actually pulled the Houdini act because he didn't want Strong and Wild to convince him to stay. Crean did not leave because of the University at all, it was an obstacle to him leaving. Get your facts straight.

This ought to be interesting.....

[Goose]

Unfortunately there is always someone that thinks their chapter is more interesting read. If they fxxk this up it will be the last straw for me.

[4everwarriors]

4ever....sad part is we have seen this movie before. Why does our history have such negative vibes towards ball program from administration? Al fought it, they all have fought it regardless of who is in charge. We are on the cusp of being really, really relevant and not sure why anyone would jag that up.

Goose, I think it has a lot to do with the university wanting to give the perception that it is something more than it actually is. For example, Jesuit ideals of scholarship are more virtuous than athletic success. Facts are that, for whatever reasons, the school doesn't embrace the benefits an elite basketball program can bring their way, even if the major benefit translates into increased dollars.

[Sir Lawrence]

He has trouble pronouncing the name DICK STRONG.

I find that hard to believe for a man of his education.  Did he call corpsman and pronounce CORPSE MAN?  Smart people make mistakes, especially early on in the job.

Actually, I think this is a bigger deal than folks might think.  Generally, donors want a modicome of recognition.  When one drops six figures, or more, into an institution, those working for that institution ought to at a minimum know how to pronounce the donors' name.

[Gato78]

I don't think so. If so, where am I wrong?

Gato....you are flat out wrong.

[Goose]

That perception is held by many alums as well. I am part of a family of well over a dozen MU alums and love the place. But I do know our place in the food chain of higher education. No ball the school will struggle mightily in my opinion.

[4everwarriors]

That isn't true at all. Crean had a great relationship with Fr. Wild and Greg Kliehban--so much so, he had a sit down apology to them after he left. Crean left for only one resoan: he saw 6 or 7 jobs as elite and Indiana was one of them. He wants to get an NCAA title and Indiana would make that more likely for him. Rectruiting would also be easier for him. He actually pulled the Houdini act because he didn't want Strong and Wild to convince him to stay. Crean did not leave because of the University at all, it was an obstacle to him leaving. Get your facts straight.

That dickhead floated his name out there for every opening presented after the debacle in New Orleans. I'm convinced he planned to use MU as a stepping stone gig from the moment he accepted the job. He bolted and never looked back.

[Goose]

He was told he needed to win at a bigger stage. He knew his FF free pass was running out and ran before things got hot in the kitchen. IU did not call him, he called them because e could not run fast enough.

[mr.MUskie]

Actually, I think this is a bigger deal than folks might think.  Generally, donors want a modicome of recognition.  When one drops six figures, or more, into an institution, those working for that institution ought to at a minimum know how to pronounce the donors' name.

I guess I missed it... how did Wms pronounce it?

[Gato78]

He floated his name and made a lot of money because of it. He turned several schools down but he did float his name, and probably initiated contact, for jobs that met his description of elite including Kansas and Ohio State. I can see how people dislike him and his tactics but he had opportunities at many places while at MU and turned them down.

[Golden Avalanche]

He was told he needed to win at a bigger stage. He knew his FF free pass was running out and ran before things got hot in the kitchen. IU did not call him, he called them because e could not run fast enough.

Why would Crean leave what potentially was the most talented squad in his tenure? Especially if he had to win at a "bigger stage"? That team would have been his best opportunity to fulfill their wishes.

[Goose]

How many big games did Crean win without Wade? If he failed with his best chance he knew his place in college backing order would go down. He could not win big games and that is a fact. The act was growing old because return on investment was shrinking.

[avid1010]

He floated his name and made a lot of money because of it. He turned several schools down but he did float his name, and probably initiated contact, for jobs that met his description of elite including Kansas and Ohio State. I can see how people dislike him and his tactics but he had opportunities at many places while at MU and turned them down.

I'm not in the know, but those who are have told me he never had other offers...was considered but never offered, and that he was very arrogant from day one as far as saying he wouldn't be around forever.  We can only hope Buzz watched TC act like a complete jerk and realized he never wanted to be that guy.  Buzz flat out said he'd never leave Junior or Chris.  If that was all a lie, then I just assume he leave now.  I don't want a coach that preaches character and lies through his teeth. You don't say you'll never leave Junior or Chris, preach morals and ethics, and then leave Junior or Chris for ANY school.  I believe Buzz will be at MU for a long time, and I find him sincere.  I don't believe he acts strictly on emotion and is as unpredictable as many believe.  It wasn't just by dumb luck that the man ended up as the coach of MU...

[Dreadman24]

I think we can breathe a little easy. Word is that Seth Greenberg of VT is the top candidate of the SMU job.

[4everwarriors]

For a fact, Illinois interviewed him and didn't offer the job. Didn't dig him or the horse he rode in on.

[real chili 83]

I think we can breathe a little easy. Word is that Seth Greenberg of VT is the top candidate of the SMU job.

No way.  I'll bet he doesn't have 15 pages of posts on VT's blog?  Teal, teal, teal.

[KipsBayEagle]

I think we can breathe a little easy. Word is that Seth Greenberg of VT is the top candidate of the SMU job.

You mean Buzz Williams is staying?  He's always been so quiet about the matter.  It's not like he ever said he intended to stay or anything.

(This isn't a shot at the above poster, more at the out of control lunacy this thread has turned into)

[4everwarriors]

or the equivalent there of is about to be executed by Marquette's administration.....unf*ckin' real.

[real chili 83]

You mean Buzz Williams is staying?  He's always been so quiet about the matter.  It's not like he ever said he intended to stay or anything.

(This isn't a shot at the above poster, more at the out of control lunacy this thread has turned into)

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