The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread

[GGGG]

And what you aren't getting is YOUR(you being an alum) current administration doesn't think that BB is THAT important to a University's image, donations etc. And they are fine with that. They want to "improve the University", by downgrading their bell cow. That's their goal, believe it or not. If you think after that that your University will EVER be the same, and you can still be proud of it, then that's your deal.

Well I don't really believe the nightmare scenario that you have set forth.

[Clam Crowder]

So what happens when Buzz stays...

[turk17]

I'm sick of talking/thinking about it.  Come what may, I'll decide how it feels when it happens (or, more likely, when it doesn't happen).

[Da 'Lanche]

So what happens when Buzz stays...

We move on to discussing the lack of attendance and enthusiasm of our current student body at basketball games or if Vander is the antichrist.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Name one thing LW has done since he's been here that leads you to believe he isn't totally in over his head.

Honestly, he hasn't been here long enough to do anything great or anything terrible.

I mean, what could/should Larry do that would make you think he is awesome?

[Warriors10]

We move on to discussing the lack of attendance and enthusiasm of our current student body at basketball games or if Vander is the antichrist.

There was no need for teal.  That is what really will happen.

[Dreadman24]

Insane assessment.  My mind is BLOWN.

Care to elaborate? Buzz has clearly brought MU up a notch since he was hired. We need some one in here that will keep the success going or at the very least
keep us relevant. ESPN loves Shaka Smart. Im just saying :/

[Hamostradamus]

Honestly, he hasn't been here long enough to do anything great or anything terrible.

I mean, what could/should Larry do that would make you think he is awesome?

1. Correctly pronounce the names of major donors.
2. Publicly display a modicum of enthusiasm over the new lacrosse team.
3. Publicly congratulate the Men's basketball team, and its coach, on a fine season.

These are very arcane concepts. I only know about them because I am something of a genius. I would not expect LW to know of these things that I teach you.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

What you are missing or not getting is the douchebaggery that is LW and yes, Fr. Pilarsz as well. They do NOT care about the BB program like most in charge would. Their "vision" is to improve the University and it's "image", and they are so smart they think that can be done without a relevant BB program. Unfortunately,  I think we are all about to find out. LW came from Notre Dame. Notre Dame has not made a Sweet 16 in many years. But they are credited with being a "prestigious" school. That's fine with the folks at ND. Their BB program doesn't make their school, and that's what they want at MU.

Alright, now I'm just going to call BS.

I realize ND and MU are rivals, but ND is a fine institution, and last time I checked, they run a HUGE athletic department with success in a lot of sports, including Men's basketball. I would say ND understands exactly how important athletics are to a private school.

Fr. Pilarz came from Georgetown, a basketball only school that generates a large amount of operating income from men's basketball.

You mean to tell me, in the past 6 months, these 2 guys have conspired and believe that MU basketball isn't that important to MU?

Right? That's what I'm supposed to believe?

It's just not believable. You get that, right?

What you are saying makes no sense at all.

[reinko]

Care to elaborate? Buzz has clearly brought MU up a notch since he was hired. We need some one in here that will keep the success going or at the very least
keep us relevant. ESPN loves Shaka Smart. Im just saying :/

Just never thought, that if MU lost a top notch coach, we should go after an up and comer with loads of potential.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

1. Correctly pronounce the names of major donors.
2. Publicly display a modicum of enthusiasm over the new lacrosse team.
3. Publicly congratulate the Men's basketball team, and its coach, on a fine season.

These are very arcane concepts. I only know about them because I am something of a genius. I would not expect LW to know of these things that I teach you.

You're right. Let's light the torches and run that SOB out of town.

[Golden Avalanche]

Because I was so distraught and angry and not thinking clearly. He did mention something that the new Admin MAY think that Buzz's boot camp may be treating the players to harshly. I would also ASSUME it's in reference to Buzz having his players backs, regardless. LW wants to do things the Notre Dame way.

I certainly get that to some degree in the sense it would knock you for a loop so how do you respond?

Buzz is an extremely young coach. It's clear he is learning every single day and I've been one to harp on his inexperience before as he's made some very public mistakes but I truly do feel he is rectifying that.

I get that the new crew wants to put their stamp on it but it would be incredibly shortsighted to only give the evidence a 6-10 month evaluation period. Learning to grow is part of the MU culture and it has worked wonders both for the highly visible coaches on our history all the way down to the regular students.

[mr.MUskie]

I certainly get that to some degree in the sense it would knock you for a loop so how do you respond?

Buzz is an extremely young coach. It's clear he is learning every single day and I've been one to harp on his inexperience before as he's made some very public mistakes but I truly do feel he is rectifying that.

I get that the new crew wants to put their stamp on it but it would be incredibly shortsighted to only give the evidence a 6-10 month evaluation period. Learning to grow is part of the MU culture and it has worked wonders both for the highly visible coaches on our history all the way down to the regular students.

But the new regime hasn't been here long enough to absorb the MU culture.

[MattyWarrior]

Hes finally got his program to the point of balanced classes and the 2013 kids said they verballed to play for Buzz
plus he said he loves his guys. The trust issue is big, you don't just walk away from that if what you said was the truth.

[Dreadman24]

Just never thought, that if MU lost a top notch coach, we should go after an up and comer with loads of potential.

Took a mid major to the final four. He is already proven if u ask me

[🏀]

1. Correctly pronounce the names of major donors.

Someone's salty.

4. Give out good high-fives after big road game wins.

[Chili]

Not going to happen. This current administration does NOT want to pay Elite money for a Head BB coach. MU will become essentially SLU.

My issue with this is that Buzz's salary is NOT paid by university funds, he is paid by large donors who give specifically to the coaches salary. These donors also have a LARGE say in who is hired and who is not since it is their money, not Marquette's. Something here doesn't add up. Turning down MILLIONS in donations seems to be completely assbackwards.

[🏀]

My issue with this is that Buzz's salary is NOT paid by university funds, he is paid by large donors who give specifically to the coaches salary. These donors also have a LARGE say in who is hired and who is not since it is their money, not Marquette's. Something here doesn't add up. Turning down MILLIONS in donations seems to be completely assbackwards.

And Marquette is doing vast studies and interviews to try and determine why endowment is so low...

[muguru]

And you have the great privilege of knowing this information....how exactly?

I am an alumnus and care about the academic, student life, athletics and culture of the university.    I also want a top notch administration to drive a vision forward for my alma mater.   So, please, tell us how you have come to know intimately of the desires, dreams, wishes and culture of our current president and athletic director as it relates to their views on our men's basketball program.   Seriously, your request for us to "believe it or not" is somewhat dependent on that nuance.

From a donor and alum that would know. It's not that hard to figure out either. If LW and FP cared as much about the BB program as Father Wild and Cottingham did, they would A. Let Buzz run his program the way he sees fit(without cheating of course), let him bring in the type of kids he needs/wants to bring in to try to take MU to the next level, and let him run the basketball operation. They aren't. They are trying to dictate to Buzz how THEY want to see things run. B. If you care about the BB program, you understand that by running Buzz out, the fall out will be astronomical. Almost all(if not all) the current players will leave, the recruits will de commit, and no Coach worth his salt will come in under those circumstances. C. LW now views the current BE(or soon to be current BE) as more of a "mid major" conference than a major conference, and because of that, thinks MU will never achieve greater than Sweet 16's. He figures he can get that from pretty much any Coach, that he doesn't have to pay elite wages to. IOW, they don't feel like they will ever get the return on their investment that they are currently paying, at least not with the "new" vision they have for how the BB side of things should be run(rumblings they MAY be looking at raising the academic standards for incoming athletes....like ND).

Simply put, they are willing to downgrade the BB program at it's current level in exchange for a little more less negative publicity, only failing to realize that by doing this, the publicity they get will reach astronomical levels. None of this would be happening if they would have done the right thing and hired Broeker as the AD. That should have been everyone's first clue that something was amiss.

I hope Buzz has a change of heart and he stays and things can be repaired or some influential alums/donors(like Dick Strong etc) can step in and stop this at the last minute, but barring that.....

[brewnewsman]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rapid-reports/post/18044737

[real chili 83]

My issue with this is that Buzz's salary is NOT paid by university funds, he is paid by large donors who give specifically to the coaches salary. These donors also have a LARGE say in who is hired and who is not since it is their money, not Marquette's. Something here doesn't add up. Turning down MILLIONS in donations seems to be completely assbackwards.

What you said negates the premise of many of today's posts.  

Maybe, some of today's posters should wait for some facts before they conclude that Buzz is gone, and it's due to the agenda of the new administration.  

How many pages of posts does it take to constitute a meltdown?

[MUFlutieEffect]

Nothing more than SMU wants Buzz and is willingly to pay but it was written by Goodman who is Buzz's BFF so that gives me a 1% concern.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/18025287/smu-pursuing-marquettes-buzz-williams

As an undergrad in the Fall of 2010, I took the Intro to Sports Leadership course (the first course in the new Masters' program).  Buzz came in for a "lesson" (despite the fact that 12 of the 13 of us in the class worked for Athletics in some capacity and already knew him). 

The one comment that he repeated multiple times was that he never wanted to coach anywhere else.  He wouldn't leave for the NBA, he wouldn't leave for another program.  This would be his last job coaching basketball, regardless of how long his tenure lasted. 

Whether those comments were made to please the crowd (who's livelihood depends largely on his success), or was entirely honest I don't know.  I guess we'll all find out together.

[mr.MUskie]

As an undergrad in the Fall of 2010, I took the Intro to Sports Leadership course (the first course in the new Masters' program).  Buzz came in for a "lesson" (despite the fact that 12 of the 13 of us in the class worked for Athletics in some capacity and already knew him). 

The one comment that he repeated multiple times was that he never wanted to coach anywhere else.  He wouldn't leave for the NBA, he wouldn't leave for another program.  This would be his last job coaching basketball, regardless of how long his tenure lasted. 

Whether those comments were made to please the crowd (who's livelihood depends largely on his success), or was entirely honest I don't know.  I guess we'll all find out together.

Different administration in the Fall of 2010 than now.

[MU Avenue]

It would be the mother of all gut punches if Buzz Williams were to leave Marquette for Southern Methodist University or any other school.

He has stated publicly and repeatedly that he wants to be at Marquette for as long as Marquette will have him.

Buzz is honest and a man of integrity. He says what he means and means what he says.

And because he says what he means and means what he says, Buzz should state for all to hear and read that Marquette is home.

[Clam Crowder]

He will respond to any email honestly, send an email and hell probably tell you exactly how he feels.