The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread

[Freeport Warrior]

Oh, right, you and others have "sources", that we're all just supposed to "believe," 'cause you're 100% sure.  Got it. 

I'll bite. You can believe whatever you want. This is the only on-line community I participate in and it just gets tiresome when guys just slam every comment, demand sources and call you out for "making sht up." Do you understand that if you fry your source, you will never get info again? MU admin reads this like a hawk (yes, I have a direct source who told me this who works for MU). In my situation, I'll try to give part of the story without giving it all away because my sources would be beyond pissed and would get in serious trouble. Their access could be jeopardized. No sht Buzz and LW say things are great, and he's the coach, and aw shucks -- IT'S CALLED PR!!

All that being said, like someone stated earlier in this thread, the SMU thing with 100% certainty ALMOST happened. No one was making this stuff up. I have four corroborated sources -- an MU guy, two media (one local, one national) and one handler of a current D1 coach that was reached out to. These do not include IWB or King. Some will appreciate the info, some won't. Life goes on.

[seinfeld]

I'll bite. You can believe whatever you want. This is the only on-line community I participate in and it just gets tiresome when guys just slam every comment, demand sources and call you out for "making sht up." Do you understand that if you fry your source, you will never get info again? MU admin reads this like a hawk (yes, I have a direct source who told me this who works for MU). In my situation, I'll try to give part of the story without giving it all away because my sources would be beyond pissed and would get in serious trouble. Their access could be jeopardized. No sht Buzz and LW say things are great, and he's the coach, and aw shucks -- IT'S CALLED PR!!

All that being said, like someone stated earlier in this thread, the SMU thing with 100% certainty ALMOST happened. No one was making this stuff up. I have four corroborated sources -- an MU guy, two media (one local, one national) and one handler of a current D1 coach that was reached out to. These do not include IWB or King. Some will appreciate the info, some won't. Life goes on.

three coaches were contacted

[Freeport Warrior]

three coaches were contacted

I only know of one that was contacted. I would assume others were, but I have no knowledge of it.

[NersEllenson]

It didn't though.  So I can be 100% certain that my own speculation that this was one of the biggest unflushed turds of a non-story (and a three-week old turd, to boot, ESPN's Jason King!) is 100% accurate.     


Should have known we couldn't get through a thread like this to another self-important, love-the-smell-of-my-own-farts reference to THE STUPENDOUS ALMIGHTY SAVE BUZZ E-MAIL AND/OR LETTER WRITING CAMPAIGN OF 2012.  We are all shamed--no, HUMBLED--by the fact that some of you are better fans of MU basketball than us, going the extra mile of writing emails/letters based on a speculative article, and gossipy, Mean Girls-ish hearsay. Thanks to all of you, for SAVING MARQUETTE BASKETBALL.  You're the REAL heroes.

Or some of us are just amused that a bunch of over-reactors were so eager to "kiss the ring" over something that was never going to happen, then raced to the Scoop board to let the rest of us know just how important those un-important spam emails and letters really were.   

Hearsay.  Oh, right, you and others have "sources", that we're all just supposed to "believe," 'cause you're 100% sure.  Got it. 

Concidence.  Oh, wait, that's right, Larry Williams and Fr. Pilarz are double secret agents bent on destroying Marquette basketball.  No one denies this.  Forgot. 


None of this has happened.  Remember the statement a few weeks ago, where Buzz said he's Marquette's basketball coach?

Calm down already.  This, combined with the HYSTERICS of the earlier post about how MU basketball will be "irrelevant", and "worse than SLU" would make the mom from "Carrie" blush.  "THEY'RE ALL GOING TO LAUGH AT US!" 

Buzz is our coach.  He's staying as our coach.  I don't want him to leave, and am in COMPLETE AGREEMENT that he's a great coach, worth doing whatever it takes to keep him; that requires no deep thinking. 

But he might leave, too.  And I'm not going to dissolve into a puddle, render my garments, and sob uncontrollably about MU basketball turning into SLU if he does, because that would be really, REALLY pathetic.  No, sad.   

Listen - Am I going to sob if Buzz leaves?  Hell no.  I happen to love MU basketball and it is my Number 1 rooting interest.  Sure won't be as much fun to watch an NIT caliber program, as what we've had the last 10 years...and when a guy widely respected within college basketball circles for the most part gets run off by an overly zealous administration...good luck finding a high caliber replacement that will want to walk in to an environment not conducive to success.

Lastly - cynics will always cynics, and you can walk around with your head in the sand and are entitled to your opinion.  The reality is that it was very, very close to Buzz leaving...

[mr.MUskie]

I'll bite. You can believe whatever you want. This is the only on-line community I participate in and it just gets tiresome when guys just slam every comment, demand sources and call you out for "making sht up." Do you understand that if you fry your source, you will never get info again? MU admin reads this like a hawk (yes, I have a direct source who told me this who works for MU). In my situation, I'll try to give part of the story without giving it all away because my sources would be beyond pissed and would get in serious trouble. Their access could be jeopardized. No sht Buzz and LW say things are great, and he's the coach, and aw shucks -- IT'S CALLED PR!!

All that being said, like someone stated earlier in this thread, the SMU thing with 100% certainty ALMOST happened. No one was making this stuff up. I have four corroborated sources -- an MU guy, two media (one local, one national) and one handler of a current D1 coach that was reached out to. These do not include IWB or King. Some will appreciate the info, some won't. Life goes on.

And what do your sources say the REAL current situation is?  Is Buzz still unhappy with administration?  Are they unhappy with Buzz?  Is their relationship improving?  Deteriorating?  Is Buzz being pushed?  Does Buzz want to leave?

[warthog-driver]

Sand Sharks may be the best movie ever

http://youtu.be/_qEfO5iNicI

/Napalm, baby

I think the trailer for Bikini Island Starring Patong Ted suggests more profound entertainment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=e1QL66h63Gs&feature=fvwp

[Goose]

Hoop
The hiring of KO and TC was accomplished by a search committee that had being an elite program as a priority. Twice since Al there was a heightened sense of urgency and the search was for excellence. Obviously luck was involved to get the result, but the committee took as much risk out of the hire as possible. Hiring of MD and Buzz were two different issues, but both added risk to the hire. Hiring of Hank was far from luck and without doubt IMO was an unlucky hire. Since Hank wanted to remain he had to be hired.

The biggest issue in making coaching changes is the possibility of making a big mistake. We currently are a top 20 program and that could work in our favor or work against us. The higher the bar set by previous guy makes next hire more difficult.

[RushmoreAcademy]

Come on guys, you should all know by now why Buzz didn't go to SMU.

Bo Ryan wouldn't let him.

+1000

[TJ]

Listen - Am I going to sob if Buzz leaves?  Hell no.  I happen to love MU basketball and it is my Number 1 rooting interest.  Sure won't be as much fun to watch an NIT caliber program, as what we've had the last 10 years...and when a guy widely respected within college basketball circles for the most part gets run off by an overly zealous administration...good luck finding a high caliber replacement that will want to walk in to an environment not conducive to success.

Lastly - cynics will always cynics, and you can walk around with your head in the sand and are entitled to your opinion.  The reality is that it was very, very close to Buzz leaving...

I'll probably sob a little if Buzz leaves.  That has nothing to do with your constant chicken-little attitude that Marquette will certainly become SLU or "an NIT caliber program" overnight if he does.  

[ATWizJr]

I'll probably sob a little if Buzz leaves.  That has nothing to do with your constant chicken-little attitude that Marquette will certainly become SLU or "an NIT caliber program" overnight if he does.  

you are naïve to think that the admin will have an easy time replacing Buzz with another highly successful coach especially if it is perceived that Buzz was run off.

[TJ]

Hoop
The hiring of KO and TC was accomplished by a search committee that had being an elite program as a priority. Twice since Al there was a heightened sense of urgency and the search was for excellence. Obviously luck was involved to get the result, but the committee took as much risk out of the hire as possible. Hiring of MD and Buzz were two different issues, but both added risk to the hire. Hiring of Hank was far from luck and without doubt IMO was an unlucky hire. Since Hank wanted to remain he had to be hired.

The biggest issue in making coaching changes is the possibility of making a big mistake. We currently are a top 20 program and that could work in our favor or work against us. The higher the bar set by previous guy makes next hire more difficult.

Buzz has gotten us two Sweet 16's now and the bar is set so impossibly high that we're destined to be an "NIT caliber team" the moment he decides to go elsewhere.  I'd hate to imagine how low we'd fall if we had any real tournament success, like more than Xavier regularly accomplishes.


Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled with the two Sweet 16's considering the 5 years preceding them, but let's be realistic with where the bar is actually at here.

[TJ]

you are naïve to think that the admin will have an easy time replacing Buzz with another highly successful coach especially if it is perceived that Buzz was run off.

Yes, we all know that you think that.  You've been repeating it for two pages.  You and others have a very pessimistic attitude about the ability of the school you apparently root for to find a new coach who can win basketball games.  No one has said it will be easy.  The counter to your argument is that it's not impossible.  Yes, we might get a Bruce Weber and fall on our face.  But the possibility that you seem to completely ignore is that we might not.  We just might continue to be successful.

And all of this is stupid and unnecessary because we're not looking for a coach and almost assuredly won't be in the near future, for at least the next 11 months.  Let's just try to keep the guy we have.

[Freeport Warrior]

And what do your sources say the REAL current situation is?  Is Buzz still unhappy with administration?  Are they unhappy with Buzz?  Is their relationship improving?  Deteriorating?  Is Buzz being pushed?  Does Buzz want to leave?

I haven't heard anything lately.

[ATWizJr]

Yes, we all know that you think that.  You've been repeating it for two pages.  You and others have a very pessimistic attitude about the ability of the school you apparently root for to find a new coach who can win basketball games.  No one has said it will be easy.  The counter to your argument is that it's not impossible.  Yes, we might get a Bruce Weber and fall on our face.  But the possibility that you seem to completely ignore is that we might not.  We just might continue to be successful.

And all of this is stupid and unnecessary because we're not looking for a coach and almost assuredly won't be in the near future, for at least the next 11 months.  Let's just try to keep the guy we have.

The school I apparently root for? Your counter is that we might fall on our face but that we might not?  It is to laugh.

[TJ]

The school I apparently root for? Your counter is that we might fall on our face but that we might not?  It is to laugh.

As opposed to your opinion that we would definitely fall on our face?

[Lennys Tap]

[quote author=TJ link=topic=32248.msg386536#msg386536 date=133486    The counter to your argument is that it's not impossible.  Yes, we might get a Bruce Weber and fall on our face.  But the possibility that you seem to completely ignore is that we might not.  We just might continue to be successful.


[/quote]

So you're sayin' there's a chance...

[Hoopaloop]

Yes, we all know that at some point he is going to leave.  Stop kicking around the obvious.  The circumstances of that leaving is what is being debated in this thread.

Yes, but not the only thing being debated in this thread. Some here have said we are going to the Mike Deane era when he leaves, not how he leaves, but when he leaves.

He is going to leave, at some point they all leave.  For those that have a Jesus complex about our current coach they believe the end is near when that happens.  This is based on their belief that lightning in a bottle was captured.  He's a terrific coach, really great spokesperson for MU basketball.  He, however, is not irreplaceable.  No one is.  Have some faith in the damn program that has produced NCAA appearances under a long list of coaches and has routinely made post season appearances since the mid 1950's.  We're a top 20 all-time program not because of Buzz Williams.  Buzz has contributed to our excellence, but he is but one of many to do that.  

Buzz is my guy, but if he leaves we find another coach.  He wants to be happy, then he needs to get his players to stop doing stuff that puts us in the news because everyone is watching and cannot wait to write that next story.  Everyone has a cell phone camera or a story to tell.  He has to communicate that to his guys.

[Bocephys]

[quote author=TJ link=topic=32248.msg386536#msg386536 date=133486    The counter to your argument is that it's not impossible.  Yes, we might get a Bruce Weber and fall on our face.  But the possibility that you seem to completely ignore is that we might not.  We just might continue to be successful.




So you're sayin' there's a chance...

[Hoopaloop]

In 31 years between Al and Buzz MU had 6 coaches. Buzz is superior to all of them, some by a country mile. I guess we might get "Crean lucky" or "O'Neil lucky" but it's a very, very longshot we'll get "Buzz lucky".

That is a subjective opinion.  Are you basing superior coach to NCAA tournament success?  Conference championships?  Regular season wins?  What you see with your eyes?  Graduation rates?  Kids staying out of trouble?  His use of timeouts?  

He is a really good coach.  Is he any better than some of the others we have had in those 31 years?  That is your opinion and nothing more.  

[Henry Sugar]

In all seriousness, I could not be more excited to watch "The Raid: Redemption"

http://youtu.be/PkULMOFpuCo

and... since I'm now on a tangent for foreign action movies, "13 Assassins" is highly recommended (available on netflix).  ridiculously gory and ends with about a 45 min fight scene.

http://youtu.be/NgPC74-Tde8

/loves the Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread

[Bocephys]

That is a subjective opinion.  Are you basing superior coach to NCAA tournament success?  Conference championships?  Regular season wins?  What you see with your eyes?  Graduation rates?  Kids staying out of trouble?  His use of timeouts?  

He is a really good coach.  Is he any better than some of the others we have had in those 31 years?  That is your opinion and nothing more.  

Where does Buzz stand with you Hoop?  My personal opinion would be that he's the best, but I can understand if people would still have Crean ahead of him.

[Hoopaloop]

I respect and appreciate what Crean did for MU.   190 wins over 9 seasons is pretty darn good.   Having said that, how many coaches have managed to go to back-to-back NIT's with two future NBA players on their team?

With injuries factored in like the MU seasons you are talking about?  I would agree the 190 wins in 9 seasons is pretty darn good.  The 160 wins in the last 7 seasons is more impressive once his guys showed up.  Buzz's 96 wins in four seasons is every bit as impressive, on average one more win per year.

The list is long.  Look at the NIT teams of the past twenty years and their rosters.  Some good coaches and programs on that list.  

MU has had many terrific coaches pace the sidelines. If Buzz leaves, we will continue to do that.  The job is a very good one.

[Hoopaloop]

Should have known we couldn't get through a thread like this to another self-important, love-the-smell-of-my-own-farts reference to THE STUPENDOUS ALMIGHTY SAVE BUZZ E-MAIL AND/OR LETTER WRITING CAMPAIGN OF 2012.  We are all shamed--no, HUMBLED--by the fact that some of you are better fans of MU basketball than us, going the extra mile of writing emails/letters based on a speculative article, and gossipy, Mean Girls-ish hearsay. Thanks to all of you, for SAVING MARQUETTE BASKETBALL.  You're the REAL heroes.

Or some of us are just amused that a bunch of over-reactors were so eager to "kiss the ring" over something that was never going to happen, then raced to the Scoop board to let the rest of us know just how important those un-important spam emails and letters really were.   

Calm down already.  This, combined with the HYSTERICS of the earlier post about how MU basketball will be "irrelevant", and "worse than SLU" would make the mom from "Carrie" blush.  "THEY'RE ALL GOING TO LAUGH AT US!" 

Buzz is our coach.  He's staying as our coach.  I don't want him to leave, and am in COMPLETE AGREEMENT that he's a great coach, worth doing whatever it takes to keep him; that requires no deep thinking. 

But he might leave, too.  And I'm not going to dissolve into a puddle, render my garments, and sob uncontrollably about MU basketball turning into SLU if he does, because that would be really, REALLY pathetic.  No, sad.   

Gold F#$&# STAR!

[ATWizJr]

With injuries factored in like the MU seasons you are talking about?  I would agree the 190 wins in 9 seasons is pretty darn good.  The 160 wins in the last 7 seasons is more impressive once his guys showed up.  Buzz's 96 wins in four seasons is every bit as impressive, on average one more win per year.

The list is long.  Look at the NIT teams of the past twenty years and their rosters.  Some good coaches and programs on that list.  

MU has had many terrific coaches pace the sidelines. If Buzz leaves, we will continue to do that.  The job is a very good one.

The NIT?  Sorry. My expectations are higher than the NIT.

[Goose]

My favorite part of the last month is reading different posters opinion of what they want the program to be. I remember when there was talk about Buzz going to OU or Arkansas it seemed to me many had S16 as ceiling for program. A year later, because of another great year, it appears to me the bar has been raised. Always thought too many were soft in expectations of program and am very happy with what appears to be new standard for many on here.

I have always believed we could become ELITE and stay there. As someone mentioned earlier on this thread, I also am not 25y and want to see it happen now.