Juan Anderson

[Canadian Dimes]

Sorry to have offended you Canadian Dimes.

My point is not that Jones or Anderson should be starting over any of the starters, and I'm not discounting earning playing time in practice. I was simply responding to people ripping on Jones for being terrible and pointing out that if you took a 2 minute snippet from Cadougan, DJO and others, they could look terrible too. When you barely get any playing time, your confidence gets sapped and you tend to press when you are in, knowing that if you make a mistake you are going to come out.

norm u are dead on right...in everything u say.  

but this is a world of absolutes and not for the meek.  

If Buzz plays them more and we lose he gets fired.  Maybe he he would be being a good citizen and giving good kids a long leash to make mistakes and feel "better" about themselves but his bosses wont take the same approach with him.

Yes you are correct about the psyche of a young bench player that is struggling.  but thats the reality.  A bench player is going to get a few minutes to get a rebound, take a charge, hit a shot, etc.  If he consistantly does that when he goes in he might get a minute longer or maybe two stints a game and build from there.  

 If he consistantly goes in there and is so petrified to make a mistake and there fore makes mistakes he will come right back out and not get another chance til maybe the next game.  This is how non starters establish the pecking order.  It is a brutal way to establish it and it is prolly 99.9% mental.  These guys can all play.  Jamail really can catch!!  Some guys thrive on those 2 minutes and others wilt.  Again a tuf tuff way to do it but what other way is there?

Juan and JAmial did nothing last night except hurt the team.  

again i fully expect that from a freshman....jamail at this point concerns me. 

[Silkk the Shaka]

again i fully expect that from a freshman....jamail at this point concerns me. 

As players' minutes increase with Buzz, their production seems to increase as well.  Look at Cubby and Acker their junior years.  They picked up DNP's, looked timid, and often shot terribly in their limited time.  They would come in, get burnt on D, brick a three, then get pulled back out for the better senior (James, McNeal or Matthews).  Then senior year they played 30+ mpg and shot terrifically from deep.  I will never, ever write off a guy under Buzz until he leaves or graduates, especially not after 2/3 or 1 & 2/3 of a season, and especially not guys with length and athleticism you can't teach like Juan and Jamail.

[GGGG]

Now we have nothing be3tter to do than to complain about how a freshman has not met OUR sacred and very self important expectations? Please.

Then don't read the f*cking thread.  Honestly, one of the most annoying things on any message board are the morons that say "why are we talking about this?"

Because it's a damn message board and I want to talking about it.  Happy?

[ATWizJr]

Then don't read the f*cking thread.  Honestly, one of the most annoying things on any message board are the morons that say "why are we talking about this?"

Because it's a damn message board and I want to talking about it.  Happy?

. Happy? Plenty. But not you, eh chief. We are 19-4 , second in the BE, so you take this as your cue to Voice your dissatisfaction with a freshman's play. You're frustrated by his lack of development?  Juan concerns you?  Who the he** are you?  Get over yourself.

[GGGG]

. Happy? Plenty. But not you, eh chief. We are 19-4 , second in the BE, so you take this as your cue to Voice your dissatisfaction with a freshman's play. You're frustrated by his lack of development?  Juan concerns you?  Who the he** are you?  Get over yourself.

I think I'm a poster on a message board who is making an on-topic post.  And I am plenty happy over MU's season, but I'm frustrated by Juan's progress.  Again, if you don't like the topic, move on.  No one is forcing you to read it.

[wildbill sb]

You're both right, and you're both wrong. Chill, enjoy the second place, the overall record  (Who'd thunk it, anyhow?).  Can't we all just get along?

[ringout]

Then don't read the f*cking thread.  Honestly, one of the most annoying things on any message board are the morons that say "why are we talking about this?"

Because it's a damn message board and I want to talking about it.  Happy?

Agree with your sentiment Sultan.   If you want to talk about a topic regarding MU Hoops, this is the place.

I do wonder why we spend so much thread length b*tch*ng about underclassmen.  Expectation for them should be minimal.  If they contribute, great.  Most of them are still trying to figure out how they fit on the team.   Save the high expectations for upperclassmen.   Remember what is the best thing about freshman?

That being said, if you want to complain about freshman, this would be the place.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Agree with your sentiment Sultan.   If you want to talk about a topic regarding MU Hoops, this is the place.

I do wonder why we spend so much thread length b*tch*ng about underclassmen.  Expectation for them should be minimal.  If they contribute, great.  Most of them are still trying to figure out how they fit on the team.   Save the high expectations for upperclassmen.   Remember what is the best thing about freshman?

Agree wholeheartedly.  I said the same in the thread about Jamail.  Underclassmen, unless they are stars, should barely see the floor on a team that's got a well-constructed roster.  I don't read much into how they perform in their 1-2 minute in-game stints...how could you?

Ultimately, if they and the staff feel they are progressing towards contributing in a meaningful way as Juniors and Seniors then I hope they stay.  If they don't, then I hope they can find a place where they can flourish. 

[79Warrior]

So he's Rob Frozena?  Really?

So far their minutes are about the same so you tell me?

[Markusquette]

I don't have much worry at all on Juan.  Plenty of highly ranked recruits don't make a big impact until their second year.  I think for Jamail a lot is mental on the court.  He clearly has the tools to be a solid player.  Good size, great athleticism and a good shooting touch (or so we thought). 

What he really needs to do is work extremely hard on defense and obviously he is not doing enough in practice.  Hopefully with the departure of DJO next year Jamail can gain some confidence and fill in more.

[strotty]

51. Jakarr Sampson, St. John's: Hasn't played.
52. Tyrone Johnson, Villanova: 2.7 points, 1.7 assists, 13.7 minutes
53. Shannon Scott, Ohio State: 1.7 points, 2.0 assists, 11.4 minutes
54. Deuce Bello, Baylor: 4.1 points, 2.4 rebounds, 11.1 minutes
55. Michael Chandler, UCF: Hasn't played
56. Aaron Thomas, Florida State: Hasn't played.
57. Julian Lewis, Texas: 8.2 points, 3.8 rebounds, 25.1 minutes
58. Tracy Adams, Illinois: 2.8 points, 2.5 rebounds, 19.2 minutes
59. Mike Shaw, Illinois: 1.1 points, 2.3 rebounds, 8.3 minutes
60. Sheldon McClellan, Texas: 10.6 points, 3.2 rebounds, 25.7 minutes
61. Juan Anderson, Marquette: 0.7 points, 1.0 rebounds, 4.9 minutes
62. Tyler Adams, Georgetown: 2.5 points, 2.3 rebounds, 6.0 minutes
63. Dai-Jon Parker, Vanderbilt: 1.9 points, 1.1 rebounds, 11.6 minutes
64. D.J. Gardner, Mississippi St.: Hasn't played.
65. Jamal Branch, Texas A&M: 4.2 points, 2.5 assists, 18.6 minutes
66. Willy Kouassi, Auburn: 1.6 points, 2.6 rebounds, 10.7 minutes
67. Zach Price, Louisville: 1.3 points, 1.5 rebounds, 5.9 minutes
68. Amir Garrett, St. John's: 5.3 points, 5.3 rebounds, 21.8 minutes
69. Normal Powell, UCLA: 5.6 points, 2.4 rebounds, 17.6 minutes
70. Kevin Ware, Louisville: 1.1 points, 0.7 rebounds, 5.9 minutes
71. Cezar Guerrero, Oklahoma St.: 5.9 points, 1.7 rebounds, 17.8 minutes

Take these FACTS for what you will, but of the 10 recruits ranked ahead of him and the 10 behind him, Anderson is averaging the least amount of points, rebounds and minutes. Ware has less rebounds but has played just 12 games due to injury. Say what you will, but those are the numbers.

[Markusquette]

51. Jakarr Sampson, St. John's: Hasn't played.
52. Tyrone Johnson, Villanova: 2.7 points, 1.7 assists, 13.7 minutes
53. Shannon Scott, Ohio State: 1.7 points, 2.0 assists, 11.4 minutes
54. Deuce Bello, Baylor: 4.1 points, 2.4 rebounds, 11.1 minutes
55. Michael Chandler, UCF: Hasn't played
56. Aaron Thomas, Florida State: Hasn't played.
57. Julian Lewis, Texas: 8.2 points, 3.8 rebounds, 25.1 minutes
58. Tracy Adams, Illinois: 2.8 points, 2.5 rebounds, 19.2 minutes
59. Mike Shaw, Illinois: 1.1 points, 2.3 rebounds, 8.3 minutes
60. Sheldon McClellan, Texas: 10.6 points, 3.2 rebounds, 25.7 minutes
61. Juan Anderson, Marquette: 0.7 points, 1.0 rebounds, 4.9 minutes
62. Tyler Adams, Georgetown: 2.5 points, 2.3 rebounds, 6.0 minutes
63. Dai-Jon Parker, Vanderbilt: 1.9 points, 1.1 rebounds, 11.6 minutes
64. D.J. Gardner, Mississippi St.: Hasn't played.
65. Jamal Branch, Texas A&M: 4.2 points, 2.5 assists, 18.6 minutes
66. Willy Kouassi, Auburn: 1.6 points, 2.6 rebounds, 10.7 minutes
67. Zach Price, Louisville: 1.3 points, 1.5 rebounds, 5.9 minutes
68. Amir Garrett, St. John's: 5.3 points, 5.3 rebounds, 21.8 minutes
69. Normal Powell, UCLA: 5.6 points, 2.4 rebounds, 17.6 minutes
70. Kevin Ware, Louisville: 1.1 points, 0.7 rebounds, 5.9 minutes
71. Cezar Guerrero, Oklahoma St.: 5.9 points, 1.7 rebounds, 17.8 minutes

Take these FACTS for what you will, but of the 10 recruits ranked ahead of him and the 10 behind him, Anderson is averaging the least amount of points, rebounds and minutes. Ware has less rebounds but has played just 12 games due to injury. Say what you will, but those are the numbers.

I'm not sure what you're arguing for, but there are only a few stat lines in that list that look impressive for a first year player.  I'll be interested to see the same 20 players and their stats at this point next year.

[ErickJD08]

Complaining about a freshman? Really?

If this was a top 25 frosh who has a lot of playing time, then sure.

But not a freshman.
Seeing random minutes.
In one of the toughest, most physical leagues.

Be concerned with his play this time next season.

IMO, he's going to be a solid 4 year player with a breakout junior year and a solid senior campaign.

This is basically it.

I will always say this. To EXPECT a freshmen to contribute more than just spot minutes is expecting too much.

I am sure many here have thrown in the towel, but I think Jones will be productive next year.

[strotty]

I'm not arguing either way. Yes, he hasn't played as much as other recruits around him but there are about three players who have been difference makers in their freshmen years. As I've said earlier, Juan is absolutely fine.

[mviale]

Oakland Represent.  Dont worry about Juan.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Huge fan of Juan. I think he's going to be at worst 6th man next year. He looks a little lost on the court right now, but the kid has only been playing organized basketball for 4 years. Give him some time.

[DomJamesToTheBasket]

I've heard that he didn't lift a single weight until he arrived on campus. A solid off-season in the weight room alone will do wonders. He is the youngest guy and sounds like a late bloomer as well.....and he looks like he is 12! He's going to physically and mentally mature a ton over his 4 years. I'm still optimistic about his ceiling. He has some unique skills for a forward.

[Steve Buscemi]

51. Jakarr Sampson, St. John's: Hasn't played.
52. Tyrone Johnson, Villanova: 2.7 points, 1.7 assists, 13.7 minutes
53. Shannon Scott, Ohio State: 1.7 points, 2.0 assists, 11.4 minutes
54. Deuce Bello, Baylor: 4.1 points, 2.4 rebounds, 11.1 minutes
55. Michael Chandler, UCF: Hasn't played
56. Aaron Thomas, Florida State: Hasn't played.
57. Julian Lewis, Texas: 8.2 points, 3.8 rebounds, 25.1 minutes
58. Tracy Adams, Illinois: 2.8 points, 2.5 rebounds, 19.2 minutes
59. Mike Shaw, Illinois: 1.1 points, 2.3 rebounds, 8.3 minutes
60. Sheldon McClellan, Texas: 10.6 points, 3.2 rebounds, 25.7 minutes
61. Juan Anderson, Marquette: 0.7 points, 1.0 rebounds, 4.9 minutes
62. Tyler Adams, Georgetown: 2.5 points, 2.3 rebounds, 6.0 minutes
63. Dai-Jon Parker, Vanderbilt: 1.9 points, 1.1 rebounds, 11.6 minutes
64. D.J. Gardner, Mississippi St.: Hasn't played.
65. Jamal Branch, Texas A&M: 4.2 points, 2.5 assists, 18.6 minutes
66. Willy Kouassi, Auburn: 1.6 points, 2.6 rebounds, 10.7 minutes
67. Zach Price, Louisville: 1.3 points, 1.5 rebounds, 5.9 minutes
68. Amir Garrett, St. John's: 5.3 points, 5.3 rebounds, 21.8 minutes
69. Normal Powell, UCLA: 5.6 points, 2.4 rebounds, 17.6 minutes
70. Kevin Ware, Louisville: 1.1 points, 0.7 rebounds, 5.9 minutes
71. Cezar Guerrero, Oklahoma St.: 5.9 points, 1.7 rebounds, 17.8 minutes

Take these FACTS for what you will, but of the 10 recruits ranked ahead of him and the 10 behind him, Anderson is averaging the least amount of points, rebounds and minutes. Ware has less rebounds but has played just 12 games due to injury. Say what you will, but those are the numbers.

You should note that most of these teams aren't having the same successes that we are.  We have better players, making less time for the n00bs to get in and pwn.

[Silkk the Shaka]

This is basically it.

I will always say this. To EXPECT a freshmen to contribute more than just spot minutes is expecting too much.

I am sure many here have thrown in the towel, but I think Jones will be productive next year.

 I agree with this. Yet you're willing to say "Vander Blue sucks at basketball" any chance you get? Wow, twisted logic there.

[GGGG]

51. Jakarr Sampson, St. John's: Hasn't played.
52. Tyrone Johnson, Villanova: 2.7 points, 1.7 assists, 13.7 minutes
53. Shannon Scott, Ohio State: 1.7 points, 2.0 assists, 11.4 minutes
54. Deuce Bello, Baylor: 4.1 points, 2.4 rebounds, 11.1 minutes
55. Michael Chandler, UCF: Hasn't played
56. Aaron Thomas, Florida State: Hasn't played.
57. Julian Lewis, Texas: 8.2 points, 3.8 rebounds, 25.1 minutes
58. Tracy Adams, Illinois: 2.8 points, 2.5 rebounds, 19.2 minutes
59. Mike Shaw, Illinois: 1.1 points, 2.3 rebounds, 8.3 minutes
60. Sheldon McClellan, Texas: 10.6 points, 3.2 rebounds, 25.7 minutes
61. Juan Anderson, Marquette: 0.7 points, 1.0 rebounds, 4.9 minutes
62. Tyler Adams, Georgetown: 2.5 points, 2.3 rebounds, 6.0 minutes
63. Dai-Jon Parker, Vanderbilt: 1.9 points, 1.1 rebounds, 11.6 minutes
64. D.J. Gardner, Mississippi St.: Hasn't played.
65. Jamal Branch, Texas A&M: 4.2 points, 2.5 assists, 18.6 minutes
66. Willy Kouassi, Auburn: 1.6 points, 2.6 rebounds, 10.7 minutes
67. Zach Price, Louisville: 1.3 points, 1.5 rebounds, 5.9 minutes
68. Amir Garrett, St. John's: 5.3 points, 5.3 rebounds, 21.8 minutes
69. Normal Powell, UCLA: 5.6 points, 2.4 rebounds, 17.6 minutes
70. Kevin Ware, Louisville: 1.1 points, 0.7 rebounds, 5.9 minutes
71. Cezar Guerrero, Oklahoma St.: 5.9 points, 1.7 rebounds, 17.8 minutes

Take these FACTS for what you will, but of the 10 recruits ranked ahead of him and the 10 behind him, Anderson is averaging the least amount of points, rebounds and minutes. Ware has less rebounds but has played just 12 games due to injury. Say what you will, but those are the numbers.

Actually, this is quite helpful.  This tells me that I should be more patient.  I appreciate you coming up with a fact-based response instead of a emotional one.

[GGGG]

I agreethe with this. Yet you're willing to say "Vander Blue sucks at basketball" any chance you get? Wow, twisted logic there.

Yeah he did this a couple weeks ago too.  Somehow the guy who's playing sucks, but the guy whos riding the bench could be a contributor.  No logic.

[LON]

So far their minutes are about the same so you tell me?

I'm not going to go back and look to see what kind of run Frozena was getting as a sophomore, but I guarantee Jamail has seen more meaningful minutes.

But if you want to make the conclusion that Jamail Jones = Frozena, we will have to agree to disagree.

[TJ]

From what we've seen of Juan so far this year I am really excited for him.  I like his energy and playing style.  Might not ever be the star, or even a starter, but I think he can be a really good player for MU.

[MtAiryGoldenEagle]

I am, like many others, withholding judgement regarding whether or not Juan can successfully play on this level.

The coaches are rotating  (before Gardner's injury) five guards, Blue, DJO, Mayo, Wilson and Cadougan, and three forwards, Wilson, Crowder, and Gardner. With (for Buzz) such a deep rotation, the need for another player (especially a freshman) on the court may not be necessary.

I have high hopes for Juan and hopes he does earn his way on the court.

[ATWizJr]

Actually, this is quite helpful.  This tells me that I should be more patient.  I appreciate you coming up with a fact-based response instead of a emotional one.

Yeah, it's always better to have the facts when starting a thread instead of simply having "frustration".