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Author Topic: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 10/04/19  (Read 263318 times)

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2200 on: February 13, 2019, 10:56:37 AM »
It's not goaltending. He never touched the ball.

Art. 3. Goaltending

a. Goaltending occurs when a defensive player touches the ball during a
field-goal try and each of the following conditions is met: (Exceptions:
Rule 10-4.1.h)
1. The ball is on its downward flight; and
2. The ball is above the level of the ring and has the possibility, while in
flight, of entering the basket and is not touching the cylinder.
b. It is goaltending to touch the ball outside the cylinder during a free throw,
regardless of whether the free throw is on its upward or downward flight.
c. When the ball contacts the backboard and any part of the ball is above
the rim during a field goal attempt, it is considered to be on its downward
flight. In such a case, it is goaltending when the ball is touched by a player
as long as it has a possibility of entering the basket.

It's not basket interference either

2. Basket interference
a. Basket interference occurs when a player:
1. Touches the ball or any part of the basket while the ball is on or within
the basket;
2. Touches the ball while any part of it is within the cylinder that has the
ring as its lower base;
3. Reaches through the basket from below and touches the ball before it
enters the cylinder;

4. Pulls down a movable ring so that it contacts the ball before the ring
returns to its original position, and
5. Causes the basket or backboard to vibrate when the ball is on or within
the basket or the backboard and/or is on or in the cylinder.

b. The cylinder is the imaginary geometric figure that has the ring as its base
and is formed by the upward extension of that ring.
c. The ball shall be considered to be within the basket when any part of the
ball is below the cylinder and the level of the ring.
d. A player may have a hand legally in contact with the ball, when this
contact continues after the ball enters the cylinder or when, during such
action, the player touches or grabs the basket.

You can put your hand through the basket, you just can't touch the ball or make the basket vibrate while the ball is on or within the cylinder.

Now they may have gotten them on #5. Washington definitely slaps the backboard and the ball seemed to be in the cylinder when that occured. That is basket interference

Actually, looking at #5, it's doesn't seem that the ball has to be in the cylinder for that part of the rule to apply.  It says, "Causes the basket or backboard to vibrate when the ball is on or within the basket or the backboard and/or is on or in the cylinder."  When I look at it, it's seems pretty clear that the backboard is moving.  It's honestly hard to tell whether that is caused by the player who reached up through the net/rim, the player who slapped the backboard, or both.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2201 on: February 13, 2019, 11:16:33 AM »
Did Bilas think it was offensive interference? I did. Ball seemed clearly in the cylinder to me. But I certainly don't blame the refs for not being able to call that in real time, and replay system doesn't allow it to be overturned.
yes he did, but he is not in favor of adding more things to review by replay. Something about a social contract that players and coaches know the refs are in charge, are human, and make mistakes

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2202 on: February 13, 2019, 11:17:29 AM »
yes he did, but he is not in favor of adding more things to review by replay. Something about a social contract that players and coaches know the refs are in charge, are human, and make mistakes

Thanks. He and I agree on both.

I've always said he was highly intelligent!  8-)
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2203 on: February 13, 2019, 11:33:42 AM »
Can you imagine Kentucky fans reaction if those calls were reviewable and that refs came back and said yes there was offensive basket interference but we're calling defensive basket inference on Washington first so LSU still wins? They'd be picking out brains from Rupp Arena for weeks after all the exploding heads.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2204 on: February 13, 2019, 11:38:39 AM »
All in all a good day for Marquette
Michigan and Purdue lost
Kentucky lost
Louisville lost
Whisky lost
Marquette won!

We don’t maybe move up but get closer to teams.

Louisville was gaining.

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« Reply #2205 on: February 13, 2019, 11:42:50 AM »
All in all a good day for Marquette
Michigan and Purdue lost
Kentucky lost
Louisville lost
Whisky lost
Marquette won!

We don’t maybe move up but get closer to teams.

Louisville was gaining.

Yea, but the Bucky loss may result in MSU passing us again.  The DePaul win won't move the needle, and winning on the road against a top 25 team could very easily make up the 5 point gap we have.  The Mich loss was terrible, but unless they lose to Maryland too I don't think they'll fall past us.  We could very easily drop out of the top 10 despite going 1-0 this week.  Wake beating UNC would certainly help.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2206 on: February 13, 2019, 11:58:13 AM »
Question on the goaltending definition, where it says this and all the following need to apply:

the first requirement says "DOWNWARD" trajectory or whatever, so unless that is true even if above the cylinder would you be able to tap the ball in or swat it away (depending on Offense or Defense) if say the ball bounced on the rim and was in the upward trajectory of the bounce even if within the cylinder?

Based on the list of requirements it would see that this would be a legal move because they way it is written all the other conditions are dependent on the first one that says "downward trajectory"?

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2207 on: February 13, 2019, 12:12:01 PM »
Question on the goaltending definition, where it says this and all the following need to apply:

the first requirement says "DOWNWARD" trajectory or whatever, so unless that is true even if above the cylinder would you be able to tap the ball in or swat it away (depending on Offense or Defense) if say the ball bounced on the rim and was in the upward trajectory of the bounce even if within the cylinder?

Based on the list of requirements it would see that this would be a legal move because they way it is written all the other conditions are dependent on the first one that says "downward trajectory"?

One of the main things I’ve learned while looking into this issue today is that “goaltending” is an extremely narrowly define violation.  Lots of things we think of as “goaltending” are actually “basket interference.”  Under the rule, there isn’t even such a thing as “offensive goaltending” on a regular shot.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2208 on: February 13, 2019, 12:32:38 PM »
All in all a good day for Marquette
Michigan and Purdue lost
Kentucky lost
Louisville lost
Whisky lost
Marquette won!

We don’t maybe move up but get closer to teams.

Louisville was gaining.

I'd have rather Louisville won.

Thrilled that Wisconsin lost. I hope they lose out ... and get a head start on next season when that Happ-less crew will lose A LOT!
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2209 on: February 13, 2019, 12:33:42 PM »
Yea, but the Bucky loss may result in MSU passing us again.  The DePaul win won't move the needle, and winning on the road against a top 25 team could very easily make up the 5 point gap we have.  The Mich loss was terrible, but unless they lose to Maryland too I don't think they'll fall past us.  We could very easily drop out of the top 10 despite going 1-0 this week.  Wake beating UNC would certainly help.

I wouldn't expect much movement on the Michigan front. As bad as the loss looks at first glance, it is still a Q1 loss.
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« Reply #2210 on: February 13, 2019, 12:37:29 PM »
I'd have rather Louisville won.

Thrilled that Wisconsin lost. I hope they lose out ... and get a head start on next season when that Happ-less crew will lose A LOT!

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« Reply #2211 on: February 13, 2019, 12:43:58 PM »
I wouldn't expect much movement on the Michigan front. As bad as the loss looks at first glance, it is still a Q1 loss.
As far as bracketology goes yea, but for rankings, losing to the team at the bottom of the conference hurts.  I guess the point is that unless they drop another one this week, they'll still be ahead of us.  Same with UNC, and even if UK loses to Tenn I could still see them staying ahead of us too. Feels kinda unfair that we go 1-0 and could drop, but it would make up for staying put after a 1-1 week.  A'int rankings a funny thing.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2212 on: February 13, 2019, 01:36:45 PM »
Maybe some who had Purdue ahead of us will give us their votes...unless they feel that Purdue was "efficient"...Their NET rankings didn't move much despite getting blown out

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2213 on: February 13, 2019, 02:02:28 PM »
Basket interference. Touched it in the cylinder. Missed call.

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« Reply #2214 on: February 13, 2019, 11:14:07 PM »

I'd have rather Louisville won.


Ditto. I doubt UL passes us this season, and a UL win over Duke would have made our win over UL look even better.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/18/19
« Reply #2215 on: February 16, 2019, 07:23:29 AM »
Moving on up to the East Side......

Ninth......

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« Reply #2216 on: February 16, 2019, 07:28:31 AM »
Moving on up to the East Side......

Ninth......

Has anybody lost yet or just taking a stab in the dark?
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/18/19
« Reply #2217 on: February 16, 2019, 08:11:32 AM »
Has anybody lost yet or just taking a stab in the dark?

Michigan lost big to a terrible Penn St team
UNC lost to UVA

Not sure we move unless either team has a 2 loss week. It seems highly unlikely that UH or Nevada loses, who are our best shots for big drops with one loss on the week.
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« Reply #2218 on: February 16, 2019, 08:17:54 AM »
Michigan lost big to a terrible Penn St team
UNC lost to UVA

Not sure we move unless either team has a 2 loss week. It seems highly unlikely that UH or Nevada loses, who are our best shots for big drops with one loss on the week.

Rooting for Maryland to come up big then
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/18/19
« Reply #2219 on: February 16, 2019, 09:27:34 AM »
Unless Maryland, Wake, or Ohio State win, we'll be 11.

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« Reply #2220 on: February 16, 2019, 09:42:27 AM »
Unless Maryland, Wake, or Ohio State win, we'll be 11.

How do you figure we drop after an undefeated week where team ahead of us lost
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« Reply #2221 on: February 16, 2019, 09:49:36 AM »
How do you figure we drop after an undefeated week where team ahead of us lost

Because you have to look at the point margins from last weeks rankings.  We only had a 5 point lead on MSU before they won at top 25 UW-Madison, unless they drop to OSU, they will make up the gap.

So we would need someone in front of us to drop behind us.  UNC has over a 200 point lead on us.  Just losing to UVA alone will not make up that gap, but if they drop to UVA and Wake we could pass them.  Just losing to Penn State may make up the 300 point gap on Mich, but if they beat Maryland the PST loss won't drop them enough.  UK could lose to both LSU and Tenn this week and still not drop past us. 

Basically the gap between 10 and 11 was razor thin, while the gap between 10 and 8(UNC), 6(Mich), and 5(UK) are much more substantial.  A week where we only beat DePual is not going to move the needle at all.

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« Reply #2222 on: February 16, 2019, 10:38:27 AM »
How do you figure we drop after an undefeated week where team ahead of us lost

I agree on the possible drop. But with the purdue loss we may be able to find some votes.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/18/19
« Reply #2223 on: February 16, 2019, 11:02:31 AM »
Unless Maryland, Wake, or Ohio State win, we'll be 11.

I strongly disagree. Let’s see how things shake out today but I’d be shocked if marquette drops.

Kentucky two loss week would definitely, not maybe, drop them below us. Michigan two loss week ditto.

Unc won’t lose but even with a huge win would be neck and neck w MU imo. I can see us slightly behind or even ahead of them. Michigan lost to a putrid team (only 2 conference wins!) so I would guess that even if they win today in a close one they also fall very close to Marquette, either slightly ahead or we nip em by a small amount.

I’d say that even if MSU passes Marquette, which is no guarantee cause we looked good also, that MU sits no lower than 10 again. If I had to guess right now I’d say 8 but I’ll take another shot at it later tonight/tomorrow

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/18/19
« Reply #2224 on: February 17, 2019, 05:23:34 PM »
I'm thinking this will be the top 12 tomorrow assuming Nova takes care of business in the second half.

1. Duke
2. Virginia
3. Gonzaga
4. Tennessee
5. Kentucky
6. Nevada
7. Houston
8. Michigan
9. Michigan State
10. North Carolina
11. Marquette
12. Villanova

There will be an opportunity to get back into the top 10 next week with Michigan/Michigan State playing and UNC having to take on Duke. In a perfect world, Michigan loses at Minnesota then beats Michigan State. There's a possibility we could leapfrog both of them.
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