Yikes, Just The Messenger...

[4everwarriors]

so don't badger me for more info. May be another negative story soon to run in the Tribune. Possibly more heads will roll.

[GoMarquette32]

You can't just say there might be. Fricken tell us. Your nothing but a user name. We dnr know you personally.

[Blackhat]

I know 4never.....cat has a cup of purple oil with gang bangers and car wash owners regularly.  

[muhoops1]

No.  GoMarquette3 is right.  You must never insinuate that MU has EVER done anything wrong.  The world is BS.  Callapari and Pitino are dicks.  Everyone else drink your Kool Aide and rest.....

All is well.  Nothing to fear.  4evers is your enemy!

[Blackhat]

You at least got to be able to recruit a top 30 big if you're recruiting ballers who do eiffel towers and walruses.   

Buzz, look outside, that wisconsin ice is getting thinner.

[avid1010]

Buzz, look outside, that wisconsin ice is getting thinner.

Stick to men in tights rolling around on mats together in fantasy land...

[T-Bone]

Which Tribune? 

/watches the magical passing of the Festivus pole.

[Blackhat]

Another round of Buzz's players getting in legal trouble/accused of a serious crime right now would certainly put him on thin ice.  Or cause another good MU employee to get fired.   

[Clam Crowder]

Another round of Buzz's players getting in legal trouble/accused of a serious crime right now would certainly put him on thin ice.  Or cause another good MU employee to get fired.   

I disagree...I don't understand how you can say this is Buzz' fault. What do you want him to do? Have 24/7 surveillance on the players, that would be just wonderful for recruiting don't you think? These athletes are legally men, and should be held responsible for their own actions. Why do you need to go and point fingers at Buzz when nobody knows the whole story? So many are posting without knowing anything beyond the known facts, the published facts. I will wait until I see the facts.

[The Lens]

Wait a sec...how do we know any of these past or upcoming allegations are even men's basketball?  We have only been told men's athletics.  My bet's on soccer.  Watch out Louis Bennett!

[GGGG]

I disagree...I don't understand how you can say this is Buzz' fault. What do you want him to do?

1. Recruit players that aren't going to get in constant trouble
2. Promote an atmosphere of accountability.

[Pakuni]

1. Recruit players that aren't going to get in constant trouble
2. Promote an atmosphere of accountability.

Do we have any ... you know, what's the word ... proof ... that players recruited by MU's current coach are getting in trouble more than those of prior coaches, much less "constant" trouble?
Do we know there isn't an atmosphere of accountability?

[leever]

FIRE TRESSEL NOW!

Oh wait, wrong school.

Sorry.

[brewcity77]

Do we have any ... you know, what's the word ... proof ... that players recruited by MU's current coach are getting in trouble more than those of prior coaches, much less "constant" trouble?
Do we know there isn't an atmosphere of accountability?

One of the difficulties today is the microscope players are under. Back in the 70s, 80s, and even 90s, there wasn't the 24/7 news cycle and the constant interest that there is today. Do something stupid and there's a good chance someone will tweet it or have it on YouTube within the hour. My guess would be that the players now are probably getting in less trouble than players in previous decades would have when put under today's microscope, but this is the situation they live in.

[ringout]

Just for historical purpose, while I was a student we had:

Tony Davis punch a girl in an elevator (he was known as the elevator operator after that)

Artie Green inviting many girls to his love palace in Rm 633 McCormick (even right after games)

Oliver Lee doing what Oliver Lee did.  Can't recall specifics.  Just remember it was embarrassing.

MU hoops players have not become bad people in the last couple of years.  They do, and have always done, the same things that many college age males do.  It is wrong and they need to be held accountable, but this can't be laid off on Buzz.

[GGGG]

Do we have any ... you know, what's the word ... proof ... that players recruited by MU's current coach are getting in trouble more than those of prior coaches, much less "constant" trouble?
Do we know there isn't an atmosphere of accountability?

I don't know the answers to any of these questions, and I wasn't speaking about the recent incidents.  But in general terms, I don't think the "hey, what can the coach do?" excuse is a valid one.  The coach can most definately do something. 

[Pakuni]

I don't know the answers to any of these questions, and I wasn't speaking about the recent incidents.  But in general terms, I don't think the "hey, what can the coach do?" excuse is a valid one.  The coach can most definately do something. 

Fair enough. But when you answer the question "What do you want Buzz to do" by stating "recruit players that aren't going to get in constant trouble," it implies that he's recruited players that are in constant trouble.

[Clam Crowder]

So you want Buzz to go clubbing with the boys on weekends?

[GGGG]

Fair enough. But when you answer the question "What do you want Buzz to do" by stating "recruit players that aren't going to get in constant trouble," it implies that he's recruited players that are in constant trouble.

That isn't what I meant to imply.

[Canadian Dimes]

1. Recruit players that aren't going to get in constant trouble
2. Promote an atmosphere of accountability.

Let's see...

We had 4 players get accused of sexual harrassment on Halloween at a party.  If anyone has been to a Halloween party lately many of the girls look like they just came from a Fredericks of Hollywood photo shoot.  Add in college age men, alcohol and harrassment while not acceptable can often happen.  It appears the men were put throught the normal student conduct board process and I am sure Buzz had more than a few things to say, punishment , etc. 

Then a number of months later another player had an incident that by all accounts could have been a sexual assault/ rape, etc.  A potential terrible lack of judgement especially in light of the Halloween incident.  That players is no longer in the program. 

Seriously what else would you like to be done?   

[avid1010]

Another round of Buzz's players getting in legal trouble/accused of a serious crime right now would certainly put him on thin ice.  Or cause another good MU employee to get fired.   

Big difference between getting in legal trouble and being accused of a serious crime.  Let me know when we have multiple rounds of players getting in serious legal trouble...meaning arrested and found guilty.  

[GGGG]

Seriously what else would you like to be done?    

r


OK...you quote my answer to the question, and then you ask again??? 

I agree that you are always going to have incidents.  I hardly ask for perfection.  I just think any coach needs to recruit good kids, and hold them accountable.

I have no idea if that has occured at MU under Buzz.  Not enough info.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Just for historical purpose, while I was a student we had:

Artie Green inviting many girls to his love palace in Rm 633 McCormick (even right after games)

What's wrong with inviting girls to your room after games?

[Brewtown Andy]

What's wrong with inviting girls to your room after games?

Grabbing the PA microphone to do it is probably a bad choice.

[texaswarrior74]

Just for historical purpose, while I was a student we had:

Tony Davis punch a girl in an elevator (he was known as the elevator operator after that)

Artie Green inviting many girls to his love palace in Rm 633 McCormick (even right after games)

Oliver Lee doing what Oliver Lee did.  Can't recall specifics.  Just remember it was embarrassing.

MU hoops players have not become bad people in the last couple of years.  They do, and have always done, the same things that many college age males do.  It is wrong and they need to be held accountable, but this can't be laid off on Buzz.

None can top Maurice Lucas hanging a guy outside a 10th floor window in McCormick by his feet after the guy nearly caused a race riot in the cafeteria. They moved the guy to Schroeder into the first floor room next to Fr Naus to protect him for the rest of the semester....he transferred to Miami the next year.

Marcus Washington showed up for so many games stoned out of his mind that it became common knowledge. Joke became that he was straight on nights when his game was off.