Chicago Tribune painting unflattering picture of MU...

[jesmu84]

Nowhere in the October incident did newspaper articles say the 4 student athletes were basketball players either.  My comment about Quade was pretty straight forward, just because she came down hard on a club team doesn't mean a hill of beans when talking about the sports that matter at MU or any other university. They are treated differently.  To deny this is to have their head in the sand.  Athletes get second and third chances that many others do not and there are examples a plenty all around the NCAA and yes, even at Marquette.  This should surprise NO ONE.

My issue with this thing since day one (go and look it up if you must) is that as a university they screwed the pooch.  Their actions put these players and the victim in limbo because they waited so long to tell the PROPER authorities.  Thus, a cloud hangs over their heads.  These guys could be totally innocent but the cloud remains because MPD couldn't properly do their job so there is the perception of guilt by some and a perception that the university cares more about protecting some students than others.  That perception exists, whether people here want to believe it or not, it does exist.  WTMJ is doing something on the radio about that very subject today.

I don't recall saying that THIS incident involved a basketball player...nor am I saying it didn't. I know what I've heard (and what others have heard) about both incidents through a number of different folks and will merely say that because of privacy laws, etc, many details do not get into the press. It's a shame that these student athletes, the alleged female victims, and the university are going through this but the actions the university took (or in actions in this case) are the reason why.  

So, if you had actually answered my question, the answer would be nowhere does it say this is a basketball player. Nearly all of your response is in no way related to my question.  I hate when you, or anyone else, doesn't just answer the question asked.

Since you did respond with extra stuff, I will agree with you that the university in this incident and in the last 10 years has messed up.  I will also agree that athletes, whether at Marquette or any other big D1 program, get favoritism and second chances.  I don't even think it's a perception as much as it may be an understood fact.

[NavinRJohnson]

If you want to do legal definitions, OJ was acquitted, not found not guilty.

Not true. He was found not guilty. Doesn't mean he didn't do it, because he obviously did, but he was in fact found not guilty.

http://www.youtube.com/v/infLrZjJpNc

[ChicosBailBonds]

In no judgement against the alleged victim, but she always had the opportunity to go to the authorities herself, so to say that MPD couldn't do their job b/c of MU is a bit of a reach, no?

Not when state law requires MU to have reported it to those authorities without her having to do it herself  Besides, think of a person that has actually gone through this, what is their state of mind, etc.   I've read to many case studies were women are reluctant, embarrassed, scared, etc to report these types of incidents for fear of being pegged as some here have pegged this woman.  All of a sudden they become the person under suspicion and who can blame them for being quite cautious in what they report and don't report.

[4everwarriors]

O.J. did it.

[StillAWarrior]

Not true. He was found not guilty. Doesn't mean he didn't do it, because he obviously did, but he was in fact found not guilty.

http://www.youtube.com/v/infLrZjJpNc

And unless I'm mistaken (always possible), after the jury found him "not guilty" the state "acquitted" him.  But I'm not a criminal guy...maybe someone else can confirm this.

[Pakuni]

Not when state law requires MU to have reported it when there is reasonable grounds to believe a crime has occurred to those authorities without her having to do it herself 

Fixed.
I think MU is far better off reporting every single complaint to police, regardless of how DPS officers feel about the validity. And it seems they now agree with that.
But let's be accurate about what the law does and does not require.

[Pakuni]

And unless I'm mistaken (always possible), after the jury found him "not guilty" the state "acquitted" him.  But I'm not a criminal guy...maybe someone else can confirm this.

A jury rules someone not guilty. A court certifies the verdict, creating an acquittal. The reverse, after a guilty finding, is a conviction.
In the extremely rare cases in which a judge sets aside a jury verdict, you can actually have a guilty finding without a conviction.

[LON]

This is a ridiculous comment.  First, you are assuming that the story reported in the Tribune is what was told the DPS Officers.  I am confident that every DPS Officer knows the elements of a sexual assault and if approached the facts from the Tribune article with call it a sexual assault.  You'd be suprised how much training DPS does and how educated most of its officers are.

As to your comment about what the athletic department knew, I'm not sure what you mean.  The only reason the athletic department knew anything was because they were likely informed by DPS.

Don't put this on DPS.  The policies of DPS were well known by MPD and the DA.  The only reason that this has become an issue is because of the high profile parties.  MPD and the DA stood idly by for years knwoing full well that DPS was not reporting every crime to them.  They wanted as much handled in house at MU as possible to avoid an extra burden on them.

Bingo.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

+1000000000

In terms of Chico's Toll Booth analogy. What if you are halfway through the toll booth, and you don't hear the toll booth attendant say stop...since you are too busy thinking about baseball, because you do not want to lose all of your quarters you are about to throw into the receptacle?   (By no means do I mean to make light of this specific instance)

Go EZ-Pass?

[ringout]

Don't put this on DPS.  The policies of DPS were well known by MPD and the DA.  The only reason that this has become an issue is because of the high profile parties.  MPD and the DA stood idly by for years knwoing full well that DPS was not reporting every crime to them.  They wanted as much handled in house at MU as possible to avoid an extra burden on them.

Ding Ding Ding Ding.  Let's listen to MPD and the DA whine about the strain this puts on their budget.  (After the din dies down)  If I am a DPS officer, I send everything their way to CYA.

[ChicosBailBonds]

So, if you had actually answered my question, the answer would be nowhere does it say this is a basketball player. Nearly all of your response is in no way related to my question.  I hate when you, or anyone else, doesn't just answer the question asked.

I thought I did answer your question...with THIS incident I didn't say one way or another if the Student Athlete was a basketball player.  It seemed to me that you were implying that I did. 

Go back and read some of the original Anthony Weiner stories from a few weeks ago and those that didn't identify him as a Democrat....so does that not make him a Democrat because he wasn't identified in the press?   Not all things are put in the press for whatever reason.  Sometimes purposely let out or sometimes because they don't know.  I think if you follow the crumbs, which men's teams live in Humphrey Hall, etc, you can probably come to your own conclusions.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Fixed.
I think MU is far better off reporting every single complaint to police, regardless of how DPS officers feel about the validity. And it seems they now agree with that.
But let's be accurate about what the law does and does not require.

No need to fix it.  In my opinion, the allegations were enough to report it to the proper authorities.  Even if MU isn't certain, when in doubt, they should have reported it.  When you leave up to a few folks who "MAY" be determining in the back of their minds whether to push this forward because of who was involved, that invites problems.  I'm not saying that happened, but that perception is out there as was discussed today on TMJ.  If anything, take the university off the hook on this stuff and let the real authorities determine what has or hasn't been committed.  MU is finally going in that direction...too little, too late for these incidents (and I'm sure for many others in the past decade).

[StillAWarrior]

I thought I did answer your question...with THIS incident I didn't say one way or another if the Student Athlete was a basketball player.  It seemed to me that you were implying that I did.  

Go back and read some of the original Anthony Weiner stories from a few weeks ago and those that didn't identify him as a Democrat....so does that not make him a Democrat because he wasn't identified in the press?   Not all things are put in the press for whatever reason.  Sometimes purposely let out or sometimes because they don't know.  I think if you follow the crumbs, which men's teams live in Humphrey Hall, etc, you can probably come to your own conclusions.

Perfect.  I was just thinking this thread wasn't contentious enough.  A (not so) subtle reference to the media's political bias should spice things up.  It probably would have been too simple to simply state that just because the story doesn't identify the accused athlete as a basketball player doesn't change the fact that quite a few posters on this board seemingly know that to be the case.

Edited to add:  Although in your defense, I think the first sentence of your post ("Nowhere in the October incident did newspaper articles say the 4 student athletes were basketball players either") is an answer to the question of whether it said in the article that the athlete was a basketball player.  You did add a lot of "extra stuff" though.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Perfect.  I was just thinking this thread wasn't contentious enough.  A (not so) subtle reference to the media's political bias should spice things up.  It probably would have been too simple to simply state that just because the story doesn't identify the accused athlete as a basketball player doesn't change the fact that quite a few posters on this board seemingly know that to be the case.

Real world examples are always preferable.   

[ChicosBailBonds]

Marquette comes to terms on how to report Sexual Assaults to police


http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/124379168.html

[GGGG]

"Officials with Marquette's public safety department will tell anyone who reports a sexual assault that they will report that assault to the Milwaukee Police Department. Those students also will be told they have a choice of whether to talk to police.

University officials also said Wednesday they're forming a team of education advisers and victim advocates who don't have direct ties to the university who will make it easier for alleged victims to weigh their options in pursuing a university-led or criminal investigation of their allegation."


Excellent reponse by Marquette!  Hope everyone has learned from this and it will not be a problem in the future.

Time to move on.

[2TimeWarrior]

"Officials with Marquette's public safety department will tell anyone who reports a sexual assault that they will report that assault to the Milwaukee Police Department. Those students also will be told they have a choice of whether to talk to police.

Now the question is whether this will discourage actual victims from making a report.

[Nukem2]

Yes, time t move on.  The processes are complete and history is just that.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Ding Ding Ding Ding.  Let's listen to MPD and the DA whine about the strain this puts on their budget.  (After the din dies down)  If I am a DPS officer, I send everything their way to CYA.

MU should have been doing that to begin with, then MPD would look bad now...not Marquette University.

[Ari Gold]

"Officials with Marquette's public safety department will tell anyone who reports a sexual assault that they will report that assault to the Milwaukee Police Department. Those students also will be told they have a choice of whether to talk to police.

University officials also said Wednesday they're forming a team of education advisers and victim advocates who don't have direct ties to the university who will make it easier for alleged victims to weigh their options in pursuing a university-led or criminal investigation of their allegation."


Excellent reponse by Marquette!  Hope everyone has learned from this and it will not be a problem in the future.

Time to move on.

Excellent is kind of a stretch. what other option did they have? "Here's what's gonna unfuck 10 years of ineptitude"

I certainly hope Stephanie Quade has nothing to do with this "team." nothing will ever be reported then.

[2TimeWarrior]

MU should have been doing that to begin with, then MPD would look bad now...not Marquette University.

Yeah, sure.  You look like a genious saying it now.  Do you have any idea what kind of response time MPD has on a weekend night when most crimes take place?  So every time that DPS has a crime reported the student and DPS should wait for 2+ hours for MPD to show up to take a report?  That will certainly make campus a safer place!

[bilsu]

When MU said that is the way they were handling it for ten years, is that when the law went into effect or did MU change how they were hadling it in the past?

[2TimeWarrior]

When MU said that is the way they were handling it for ten years, is that when the law went into effect or did MU change how they were hadling it in the past?

MU became a private security department (or some state registered agency) when they became armed in 2001.  That is when they fell under this law.  Nothing changed in how MU reported crimes, even though it should have by the letter of the law.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Yeah, sure.  You look like a genious saying it now.  Do you have any idea what kind of response time MPD has on a weekend night when most crimes take place?  So every time that DPS has a crime reported the student and DPS should wait for 2+ hours for MPD to show up to take a report?  That will certainly make campus a safer place!

Having worked at MU as a student and after post graduate work for many years, we had to call the cops on multiple occasions at the student union, and elsewhere, the response time was minutes, not 2+ hours.  Now maybe things have changed dramatically since then but I would be surprised if the wait is as long as you describe.  Nevertheless, 2+ hours is better than MONTHS.

[2TimeWarrior]

Having worked at MU as a student and after post graduate work for many years, we had to call the cops on multiple occasions at the student union, and elsewhere, the response time was minutes, not 2+ hours.  Now maybe things have changed dramatically since then but I would be surprised if the wait is as long as you describe.  Nevertheless, 2+ hours is better than MONTHS.

Having worked for DPS as a student and during and after my post graduate work, the wait is typically over an hour on week nights and longer than 2 hours on weekends unless there is a crime in progress.  Once again, you're quick to denounce the policies at Marquette without knowing realities of the situation. Let's be real, Chicos, even if MU reported this immediately, you would have found a way to blame the current administration. 

For the record, I'd love to tell you stories about your tanned idol coming to campus in the middle of the night to bail his players out of trouble in very similar situations.  I'm sure you're suprised to hear that none of that was ever reported either.