Futbol Talk

[jesmu84]

CCV, Horvath were not good

Balogun, Puli, Robinson were very good

Reyna was invisible

Pepi and Richards missed great chances

Beat Uruguay or find a new job, Gregg

[MuggsyB]

How bad is this loss?  Panama?  WTF?  I don't know much about futbol but this seems really bad.  Why are we a disaster globally?  Ty.   

[The Sultan]

How bad is this loss?  Panama?  WTF?  I don't know much about futbol but this seems really bad.  Why are we a disaster globally?  Ty.   

1. The "Golden Generation" isn't as golden as people thought it would be.

2. USA Soccer is a mess and can't hire a proper manager. It's plagued by self interest and unable to strategically think long term. They had the  American club manager, who has seen the most success in Europe, sitting right there ready to be hired, but instead they rehired the guy who wasn't all that good before. Why? All sorts of internal reasons. And now Jesse March is managing Canada.  Unbelievable. 

[jesmu84]

How bad is this loss?  Panama?  WTF?  I don't know much about futbol but this seems really bad.  Why are we a disaster globally?  Ty.

You should probably sit this one out then.

Or jump to conclusions.

Whichever

[JWags85]

Beat Uruguay or find a new job, Gregg

If that was true, I'd almost root for them to lose.  But we know its not.  They could lose 3-0, Gregggg would say a bunch of nonsense, and US Soccer wouldn't do a thing.

[MuggsyB]

1. The "Golden Generation" isn't as golden as people thought it would be.

2. USA Soccer is a mess and can't hire a proper manager. It's plagued by self interest and unable to strategically think long term. They had the  American club manager, who has seen the most success in Europe, sitting right there ready to be hired, but instead they rehired the guy who wasn't all that good before. Why? All sorts of internal reasons. And now Jesse March is managing Canada.  Unbelievable.

Do we need to start over and dispose of those in charge?  I enjoyed watching the WC the last time around.  It's weird to me that we're apparently nowhere near the top countries in the sport. 

[MuggsyB]

You should probably sit this one out then.

Or jump to conclusions.

Whichever

I don't think you need to be an expert to know that losing to Panama is inexcusable/ a disaster. 

[The Sultan]

Do we need to start over and dispose of those in charge?  I enjoyed watching the WC the last time around.  It's weird to me that we're apparently nowhere near the top countries in the sport. 

It's not that weird. We are largely terrible at youth sports development, but get away with it in sports like basketball because of sheer numbers.

[tower912]

The outcome was basically inevitable after the goal was taken off the board, the goalie was injured, and Weah got red carded.

[jesmu84]

I don't think you need to be an expert to know that losing to Panama is inexcusable/ a disaster.

The fact that this is your POV is exactly why you should stop

You have no idea of what you speak.

[jesmu84]

If that was true, I'd almost root for them to lose.  But we know its not.  They could lose 3-0, Gregggg would say a bunch of nonsense, and US Soccer wouldn't do a thing.

Same.

This seems like as a good a time as any to prove he's a WC quality manager. So go beat Uruguay in a do or die situation. If not, then bye.

Of course, as you say, ussf will point to weah's red and say getting out of the group was out of Gregg's hands.

[MuggsyB]

The fact that this is your POV is exactly why you should stop

You have no idea of what you speak.

Panama was considered the worst team in the Copa America before the competition.  What am I missing here?

[Its DJOver]

Going to the 5-3-1 at half killed us.

I'd like to think Gregggs job is on the line, but I know better, and at this point even on the off chance that he is fired I know better than to trust the ussf to make a decent hire. Until that hierarchy changes we're just going to get the Gregg/Arena MLS clones.

[jesmu84]

Panama was considered the worst team in the Copa America before the competition.  What am I missing here?

Because you have no understanding of current us soccer or knowledge of history

[MuggsyB]

Because you have no understanding of current us soccer or knowledge of history

So you need to understand the history of us soccer to have an opinion about losing to the presumed worst team in this tournament?  What exactly does the history of us soccer have to do with this loss? 

[JWags85]

Panama was considered the worst team in the Copa America before the competition.  What am I missing here?

By who?  If you go by FIFA rankings, not even close.  They weren't even lowest in the group, Bolivia is about 30+ spots lower.  Venezuela, Jamaica, and Costa Rica are all worse than Panama too.

Respect the passion but you're a bit out of your depth my man

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

The outcome was basically inevitable after the goal was taken off the board, the goalie was injured, and Weah got red carded.

I don't think GB should have the job but these are things that aren't his fault. So why would it get him fired?

I'm moreso saying this as nothing before is fireable so why should thid be?

[MU82]

ATLANTA (AP) — Tim Weah and other members of the U.S. national team were targeted with racist abuse on social media after the Americans were beaten 2-1 by Panama in the Copa America on Thursday night.

https://apnews.com/article/copa-american-us-panama-racism-4a5bccf598b9b52bf16bc22f3f89a234

[Uncle Rico]

By who?  If you go by FIFA rankings, not even close.  They weren't even lowest in the group, Bolivia is about 30+ spots lower.  Venezuela, Jamaica, and Costa Rica are all worse than Panama too.

Respect the passion but you're a bit out of your depth my man

Fixing the USMNT won't be hard.  They need to attack relentlessly and with fury and play focused.  Problem solved, easy peezy. 

[Uncle Rico]

It's not that weird. We are largely terrible at youth sports development, but get away with it in sports like basketball because of sheer numbers.

At this point in US Soccer history, the point you make is correct.  The popularity of US soccer at the youth level  and the fact we're 30 years into high levels of youth participation, this program should be more competitive and capable of winning international events.

Soccer will likely never rise to the level of popularity of other countries but the lack of national organization in the real reason we aren't more competitive internationally.

Our aversion to creating national and local academies to advance youth through the system is why we struggle.  As long as we continue with fragmented programs, these issues will remain.  The rest of the world is catching up to us in other sports and will stay ahead of us in soccer.  But we'll have Joe Beer Guts bragging their local high school is good at some sport, so that's a plus

[MuggsyB]

Fixing the USMNT won't be hard.  They need to attack relentlessly and with fury and play focused.  Problem solved, easy peezy.

That sounds like a good start.  Extremely disappointing performance. 

[jesmu84]

At this point in US Soccer history, the point you make is correct.  The popularity of US soccer at the youth level  and the fact we're 30 years into high levels of youth participation, this program should be more competitive and capable of winning international events.

Soccer will likely never rise to the level of popularity of other countries but the lack of national organization in the real reason we aren't more competitive internationally.

Our aversion to creating national and local academies to advance youth through the system is why we struggle.  As long as we continue with fragmented programs, these issues will remain.  The rest of the world is catching up to us in other sports and will stay ahead of us in soccer.  But we'll have Joe Beer Guts bragging their local high school is good at some sport, so that's a plus

Money > success

[JWags85]

I don't think GB should have the job but these are things that aren't his fault. So why would it get him fired?

I'm moreso saying this as nothing before is fireable so why should thid be?

In any normal federation, he did absolutely NOTHING to remedy negative things that were out of his control.  Plenty of teams get a red card or have negative ref decisions go against them, but good managers change tactics and/or personnel and can still get results.  For GGG, its "thats not his fault, whats he supposed to do?!" as an excuse.  Which is pathetic, especially against an inferior opponent.

But as you said, and like I mentioned before, he's basically bulletproof so this is barely a blip on the radar in terms of job security.

[The Sultan]

At this point in US Soccer history, the point you make is correct.  The popularity of US soccer at the youth level  and the fact we're 30 years into high levels of youth participation, this program should be more competitive and capable of winning international events.

Soccer will likely never rise to the level of popularity of other countries but the lack of national organization in the real reason we aren't more competitive internationally.

Our aversion to creating national and local academies to advance youth through the system is why we struggle.  As long as we continue with fragmented programs, these issues will remain.  The rest of the world is catching up to us in other sports and will stay ahead of us in soccer.  But we'll have Joe Beer Guts bragging their local high school is good at some sport, so that's a plus

We are also cutting the supply of potential players off way too early because of the pay-to-play, travel team nonsense keeps getting younger and younger. 

[Uncle Rico]

We are also cutting the supply of potential players off way too early because of the pay-to-play, travel team nonsense keeps getting younger and younger.

Yup, yup.  Baseball is even worse.  I don't envy anyone with kids on travel teams.  It's absolutely grueling