Indiana Elite Article

[brewcity77]

Sorry Brew, "likely built a brotherly relationship"...how long would that statement last in court before being jettisoned out in a nanosecond.  You are totally speculating.  That is far different that HIRING THE FATHER.  Are you and Pakuni comparing hiring a kid's father with hiring a kid that "likely built a brotherly relationship"?  Come on, who's being objective and who isn't.  Listen to what you are saying.

A father that has been with them since birth for 18 years is equivalent to a KID that they lived with for one Summer.  WOW.  Yes Brew, at the END OF THE DAY, it's REALLY different.

Again, I'm not saying they broke any rules. Looking at this, I'd say they probably didn't. But if this is what it takes for you to get past this, I guess so be it. Is the comparison of father to stepbrother really that massive of a leap for you? Maybe you just haven't had any experience dealing with extended families, but why don't you listen to what you are saying.

Most of these kids are coming from out of the country. They likely arrive in a very foreign environment with few friends and no family. Then they find themselves living with their coach and his family. The number of people they feel they can rely on and trust will be very limited. If one of the only people they share a roof with, eat their meals with, play video games with, learn the culture with, etc. is suddenly given a job at a place where they can go spend significant time, you really think that's not at all similar to someone's dad getting a job there? We're talking about someone who is probably one of the most important people in their lives at the moment.

Sorry, Chicos, but I just think you are obfuscating the reality of the situation, and I don't get it. Every program has shady situations. Every program has moments that give pause. Marquette has had them. Wisconsin has had them. And Indiana has certainly had them. And I just don't see any way that any rational person can look at this situation and not accept that it may not have been 100% ethical. I'm not saying rules were broken. I'm not saying anything will come of it. But for someone who has no problem feeling squirmy about things that go on at Marquette, you seem pretty willing to let this one go without batting an eye.

Maybe you just think that Crean has such an unimpeachable character that you can't fathom him ever doing anything shady. Maybe you are so blinded by Crimson and Cream goggles that you fail to accept the administration would allow anything remotely questionable to happen (even if it isn't rule-breaking). But in the past, I have never known you to come across like that.

Generally, you seem to think Crean is pretty much an ass, despite your clear respect for his abilities as a coach, motivator, and recruiter. And you seem cognizant that there are grey areas when it comes to recruiting and major college sports. You know I'm not the kind of person who will try to paint you into a corner or attack just because your name is on the post. I just don't see how this situation isn't one that gives you pause.

[Pakuni]

Just curious--can you share the specific requirements of the job of Coordinator of Basketball Systems at IU that Drew Adams arguably lacked?

You say he was "arguably not qualified."

Well, make the argument.

I'll let Josh Pastner make the argument for me.

"One of those schools was Memphis; head coach Josh Pastner -- who cut his coaching teeth in the AAU ranks -- recalls considering Drew Adams for an administrative assistant's position after inquiries from Drew and Drew's father. Pastner acknowledges that Adams had a "lot of good contacts," but at the time the coach was more concerned with finding someone who could handle administrative chores than with the potential access to players.
"I knew the background of both Drew and Mark, but I couldn't afford in the position that I was in to hire a guy I didn't feel was going to help in the area I was going to hire him at," Pastner says. "In an administrative role, players wasn't what I needed in that. I needed organization in the [person's] background."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=6587668

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Or the converse.

I like Crean and finding absolutely nothing even remotely troubling (squirmy) in ESPN's article.

I hate Buzz and believe every "squirmy" rumor that I hear or make up about him.

Chicos is a douche.

Agreed. It's all perspective and bias.

[NersEllenson]

Really....you're such a liar sometimes it's pretty pathetic.

You keep saying you don't have a disregard yet you keep slipping in wonderful gems to contradict those statements...care to calibrate for us?  LOL.  Ironic...same thing you accuse me of.  Circle of life Simba

The only pathetic one around here is the individual who would state taking the Marquette Athletic Director position would be a pay cut.  Hey everybody, look at me, I make more money than the Marquette Athletic Director!!  Here's a pat on the back for you dude - way to go Chicos.  Nothing better than bragging about one's income with a message board pat on the back - self given.

As I've said many times - I don't have a great disregard for Tom Crean - but I've grown to pretty much hate your continued cheap shots, barbs, and criticisms of the current coach - while always trumpeting the greatness of the past.  Knowing you worked in the athletic department while Tom Crean was at MU, it makes me wonder if you had a real, legitimate man crush on the guy?  Did you gaze at him with admiration and lust?  Does the fact that Tom Crean's successor pretty much has made Tom Crean seem replaceable, and not that big of loss to the MU comunity - just bother you so much that you have to engage in hypocrisy? 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Again, I'm not saying they broke any rules. Looking at this, I'd say they probably didn't. But if this is what it takes for you to get past this, I guess so be it. Is the comparison of father to stepbrother really that massive of a leap for you? Maybe you just haven't had any experience dealing with extended families, but why don't you listen to what you are saying.

Most of these kids are coming from out of the country. They likely arrive in a very foreign environment with few friends and no family. Then they find themselves living with their coach and his family. The number of people they feel they can rely on and trust will be very limited. If one of the only people they share a roof with, eat their meals with, play video games with, learn the culture with, etc. is suddenly given a job at a place where they can go spend significant time, you really think that's not at all similar to someone's dad getting a job there? We're talking about someone who is probably one of the most important people in their lives at the moment.

Sorry, Chicos, but I just think you are obfuscating the reality of the situation, and I don't get it. Every program has shady situations. Every program has moments that give pause. Marquette has had them. Wisconsin has had them. And Indiana has certainly had them. And I just don't see any way that any rational person can look at this situation and not accept that it may not have been 100% ethical. I'm not saying rules were broken. I'm not saying anything will come of it. But for someone who has no problem feeling squirmy about things that go on at Marquette, you seem pretty willing to let this one go without batting an eye.

Maybe you just think that Crean has such an unimpeachable character that you can't fathom him ever doing anything shady. Maybe you are so blinded by Crimson and Cream goggles that you fail to accept the administration would allow anything remotely questionable to happen (even if it isn't rule-breaking). But in the past, I have never known you to come across like that.

Generally, you seem to think Crean is pretty much an ass, despite your clear respect for his abilities as a coach, motivator, and recruiter. And you seem cognizant that there are grey areas when it comes to recruiting and major college sports. You know I'm not the kind of person who will try to paint you into a corner or attack just because your name is on the post. I just don't see how this situation isn't one that gives you pause.

I thought this was about whether the Manning \ Wagner situation were the same as you and Pakuni were stating.  I'm sorry, I don't see where they are.  Your comments above are fine, to each their own and I agree with some of them.  Back to Manning \ Wagner, how are they same when someone is hiring a son, employing them and their family vs hiring a kid out of college in a low level job that spent very little time with these kids.  Whoever said Stretch did the word Stretch a disservice.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'll let Josh Pastner make the argument for me.

"One of those schools was Memphis; head coach Josh Pastner -- who cut his coaching teeth in the AAU ranks -- recalls considering Drew Adams for an administrative assistant's position after inquiries from Drew and Drew's father. Pastner acknowledges that Adams had a "lot of good contacts," but at the time the coach was more concerned with finding someone who could handle administrative chores than with the potential access to players.
"I knew the background of both Drew and Mark, but I couldn't afford in the position that I was in to hire a guy I didn't feel was going to help in the area I was going to hire him at," Pastner says. "In an administrative role, players wasn't what I needed in that. I needed organization in the [person's] background."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=6587668

OMG is that funny.  Yes, because one person saying they are not hiring someone extrapolates to every other school.  Let's see, how many schools were lining up to hire Buzz Williams after Tom Crean left....but MU took a chance on him...does that mean all the other schools were wrong?   I also love that you use Memphis, the bastion of rules following, to make your point.  Classic.

There are people I don't hire all the time because they don't fit my organization but I know they are quality people and will fill a need (even the same job) for someone else.  I honestly cannot believe you went there with this example, but it shouldn't surprise me.


Query for you, since Crean hired Buzz Williams and Crean hired Adams.....nevermind.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Or the converse.

I like Crean and finding absolutely nothing even remotely troubling (squirmy) in ESPN's article.

I hate Buzz and believe every "squirmy" rumor that I hear or make up about him.

Chicos is a douche.

I don't hate Buzz, number one.  I don't like Crean, number two.  What Buzz was accused of doing IS AGAINST NCAA rules.  What Crean is accused of doing, is not.

A significant difference


Now, some of us have been banned for personal attacks yet you don't get banned for stating this...interesting

[ChicosBailBonds]

The only pathetic one around here is the individual who would state taking the Marquette Athletic Director position would be a pay cut.  Hey everybody, look at me, I make more money than the Marquette Athletic Director!!  Here's a pat on the back for you dude - way to go Chicos.  Nothing better than bragging about one's income with a message board pat on the back - self given.

As I've said many times - I don't have a great disregard for Tom Crean - but I've grown to pretty much hate your continued cheap shots, barbs, and criticisms of the current coach - while always trumpeting the greatness of the past.  Knowing you worked in the athletic department while Tom Crean was at MU, it makes me wonder if you had a real, legitimate man crush on the guy?  Did you gaze at him with admiration and lust?  Does the fact that Tom Crean's successor pretty much has made Tom Crean seem replaceable, and not that big of loss to the MU comunity - just bother you so much that you have to engage in hypocrisy? 

I used to work for MU, I know how they pay.  It was an enjoyable experience that I won't forget.  For the pay an AD makes, having to deal with a bunch of 18-22 year old kids that push the boundaries of sexual assault, drug use (recreational \ steroids), going to class, dealing with agents, dealing with alumni, fund raising, etc that these ADs have to deal with it's not worth the pay.  I'm fortunate to have a number of dear friends that are ADs and I don't envy them certain times of the year.  As far as my pay comment, it was originally a joke but you obviously missed it.  Then my stupidity kicked in and I responded to your lame comment. 

I worked for Tom Crean for all of 6 months ners...most of my exposure was to Tim Buckley, Darrin Horn and D. Stephens.  Certainly I had my time with Crean as well.  I'll always be appreciative of him putting MU back on the map...let's hope Buzz can keep us there and get us back into the top half of the Big East.  My father died unexpectedly (tomorrow is the anniversary) and I needed to get back home to California to help my mom so I took a job in professional sports, so my run with Crean was not long.  Several friends remained at the department and worked for a few years for Crean.  It was hell for them.  He's a tough guy to work for...guess what...so are many CEOs, owners in pro sports, VP's, etc.  This is not new news....some driven people are a bear to work for.  Perhaps you have not had that experience to work for such people or work in very high profile firms \ companies that seem to have many of these folks populating the ranks.  In many cases it is those type of people that drive the growth of the business, the team, the organization.  If you haven't been in that type of environment then it's difficult to explain how it is.  You have to be in the eye of the storm to understand it.

Yes, ners, YOU have said before you have no GREAT DISREGARD for him yet a quick search reveals your comments unearth those claims very quickly.

I'm thrilled Tom Crean hired Buzz Williams....though since he apparently cheated by hiring Adams I do wonder now about the hiring process of Buzz....
<teal is sarcasm on this board>

[Dr. Blackheart]

The problem here isn't the pissing match between Scoop fanbois, but the Baylor vs. IU grudge match--with heavy NCAA stakes involved when someone leaked the deportation comment about Baylor and Perea.  The Drews know too much about the Elite so they returned the NCAA favor.  (btw, Crean should be fired if he did not recruit Elite)

Chicos, you said this was going away five months ago, and it hasn't. 
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=21887.msg253229#msg253229

Here is the problem:  Adams is a IU alum and booster, he has now publically proclaimed he has donated his own money to A-HOPE, he has IU recruits living at his home.  His VC son was hired at IU in 2009, when IU was still on probation.  Pappa has refused to list the donors to A-HOPE, but the NCAA may find it hard to believe that not one Bloomington IU booster or alum are not on the A-HOPE donation list. The problem, as I see it, isn't the VC or the walk-on directly, but the $$ trail. 

I doubt Perea plays for IU.  If so, he will have to sit out quite a few games.  More troubling, perhaps, to IU was that they were on probation when Junior was hired--which adds to the squishiness or squirminess depending on your fanboi--but more so, the NCAA's open interpretations.  There is a reason why Glass safely squirreled lil Adams out of town is my guess, despite the statements.  And, the Drews will not go quietly you can bet on that--and they are well-armed to protect themselves.

[Lennys Tap]

I don't hate Buzz, number one.  I don't like Crean, number two.  What Buzz was accused of doing IS AGAINST NCAA rules.  What Crean is accused of doing, is not.

A significant difference


Now, some of us have been banned for personal attacks yet you don't get banned for stating this...interesting

Sorry, I was writing the converse to 2002's post. My post should hve read Chicos is not a douche (the opposite of his "Chicos is a douche"), but I forgot the "not" in my post. As for personal insults, how would you rank your calling Ners pathetic and a liar? I'd say it's harsh.

On to more substantive matters. You claim to squirm over unpublished accusations known about only by you made by unnamed individuals about alledged NCAA violations. If true, NCAA investigators will no doubt be descending onto the campus soon. If not, then we can conclude that either the accusations were false or that they're never were any accusations at all. I guess we'll know soon enough.

[Marquette84]

I'll let Josh Pastner make the argument for me.

"One of those schools was Memphis; head coach Josh Pastner -- who cut his coaching teeth in the AAU ranks -- recalls considering Drew Adams for an administrative assistant's position after inquiries from Drew and Drew's father. Pastner acknowledges that Adams had a "lot of good contacts," but at the time the coach was more concerned with finding someone who could handle administrative chores than with the potential access to players.
"I knew the background of both Drew and Mark, but I couldn't afford in the position that I was in to hire a guy I didn't feel was going to help in the area I was going to hire him at," Pastner says. "In an administrative role, players wasn't what I needed in that. I needed organization in the [person's] background."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=6587668

So, because Pastner thought that Adams wasn't qualified for an administrative assistant job at Memphis because he specifically needed someone with strong organizational skills, that means Adams is not qualified for any other job at any other school either?  Is that your best argument?

That's an incredibly weak argument.

Can you state that you know for a fact that IU required the same organization skills in their requirement for a Coordinator of Basketball Operations as Pastner needed in his opening for an administrative assistant?

I bet you can't.  

Different jobs.  Different hiring managers.  Different requirements.  Lacking one qualification for one of those jobs for one of those hiring managers doesn't say a thing about whether you're unqualified for a different job for a different boss.

Why don't you just admit that you have no clue what the job description was at IU, what Adams' qualifications may or may not have been for that particular job, and that you just pulled the comment about being unqualified completely out of your *ss?  

[mviale]

I used to work for MU, I know how they pay.  It was an enjoyable experience that I won't forget.  For the pay an AD makes, having to deal with a bunch of 18-22 year old kids that push the boundaries of sexual assault, drug use (recreational \ steroids), going to class, dealing with agents, dealing with alumni, fund raising, etc that these ADs have to deal with it's not worth the pay.  I'm fortunate to have a number of dear friends that are ADs and I don't envy them certain times of the year.  As far as my pay comment, it was originally a joke but you obviously missed it.  Then my stupidity kicked in and I responded to your lame comment. 

I worked for Tom Crean for all of 6 months ners...most of my exposure was to Tim Buckley, Darrin Horn and D. Stephens.  Certainly I had my time with Crean as well.  I'll always be appreciative of him putting MU back on the map...let's hope Buzz can keep us there and get us back into the top half of the Big East.  My father died unexpectedly (tomorrow is the anniversary) and I needed to get back home to California to help my mom so I took a job in professional sports, so my run with Crean was not long.  Several friends remained at the department and worked for a few years for Crean.  It was hell for them.  He's a tough guy to work for...guess what...so are many CEOs, owners in pro sports, VP's, etc.  This is not new news....some driven people are a bear to work for.  Perhaps you have not had that experience to work for such people or work in very high profile firms \ companies that seem to have many of these folks populating the ranks.  In many cases it is those type of people that drive the growth of the business, the team, the organization.  If you haven't been in that type of environment then it's difficult to explain how it is.  You have to be in the eye of the storm to understand it.

Yes, ners, YOU have said before you have no GREAT DISREGARD for him yet a quick search reveals your comments unearth those claims very quickly.

I'm thrilled Tom Crean hired Buzz Williams....though since he apparently cheated by hiring Adams I do wonder now about the hiring process of Buzz....
<teal is sarcasm on this board>

We should all be so lucky to be around movers and shakers. I am in awe and proud to be on the same bulletin board...

[Lennys Tap]

Well laid out by the good doctor. For all of Adam's attempts to portray himself as Fr Flannigan this whole thing stinks to high heaven. Doubtful TC, Glass or IU go down for this as even obvious quid pro quos are difficult to prove, but the stench will linger long after Hanner Perea's eligibility is used up. At least we won't have to put up with the self-righteous, "doing it the right way" nonsense from our IU "insider". "Just win, baby" is alive and well in Bloomington - and somewhere Kelvin Sampson is smiling.

[MUDPT]

To be fair, there is only one Drew at Baylor.

[Dr. Blackheart]

To be fair, there is only one Drew at Baylor.

And another in Indiana at Valpo. Blood is thicker than water.

[MUDPT]

Hope you didn't take offense to my statement, didn't mean any harm.  I grew up in Valpo and my parents have had season tickets for 25 years or so.  Morefield was my "coach" at camp back in the day, and I thought he was kind of a jerk in 7th grade.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Hope you didn't take offense to my statement, didn't mean any harm.  I grew up in Valpo and my parents have had season tickets for 25 years or so.  Morefield was my "coach" at camp back in the day, and I thought he was kind of a jerk in 7th grade.

Of course none taken, I hope I didn't convey that--I just wanted to clarify by what I meant by blood feud with the Drews.  "As the World Turns".  You can tell better stories I am sure.  Thanks

[ChicosBailBonds]

So, because Pastner thought that Adams wasn't qualified for an administrative assistant job at Memphis because he specifically needed someone with strong organizational skills, that means Adams is not qualified for any other job at any other school either?  Is that your best argument?

That's an incredibly weak argument.

Can you state that you know for a fact that IU required the same organization skills in their requirement for a Coordinator of Basketball Operations as Pastner needed in his opening for an administrative assistant?

I bet you can't.  

Different jobs.  Different hiring managers.  Different requirements.  Lacking one qualification for one of those jobs for one of those hiring managers doesn't say a thing about whether you're unqualified for a different job for a different boss.

Why don't you just admit that you have no clue what the job description was at IU, what Adams' qualifications may or may not have been for that particular job, and that you just pulled the comment about being unqualified completely out of your *ss?  

Especially when you consider in 2009 it was quoted in the Herald Times that he had other offers from other schools but wanted to return to Bloomington where he grew up (he attended Bloomington South High School, played one year of college ball for Steve Alford at Iowa and then transferred to Tennessee).  I guess those other offers he got were from schools that also clearly didn't know how to hire...right Pakuni?  LOL


Adam spent the last two seasons as a student assistant at Tennessee. He also played one season at Iowa under Steve Alford (current Indiana assistant Tim Buckley was on the staff there at the time.) Adams played three years for South and was the leading scorer and team captain his senior year.

"It's pretty special for him to be able to work for a program he grew up around," said Drew's father Mark. "He had other offers, but being able to be here and be part of Indiana basketball was something he couldn't pass up."


My favorite is the Illinois board when in 2009 they said what a great move it was by Crean to hire Adams.  A smart, good, solid move were just some of the adjectives used.  Of course when IU started to land some recruits, it was no longer smart, good, or solid.   I love fans.  In early May when New Mexico hired Adams (with a raise I might add...not a "lateral move" as some claimed), UNM fans loved it.  Called it a great hire (which our fans would have done the same thing....no one here should kid themselves to suggest anything less).

By the way, anyone know the Marquette tie in all this?  Brian Barone.  When Barone left to UWGB, Adams was promoted up to Video Coordinator.  I'll bet Crean paid off Barone to take the job with Wardle so he could get Adams a sweeter gig.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The problem here isn't the pissing match between Scoop fanbois, but the Baylor vs. IU grudge match--with heavy NCAA stakes involved when someone leaked the deportation comment about Baylor and Perea.  The Drews know too much about the Elite so they returned the NCAA favor.  (btw, Crean should be fired if he did not recruit Elite)

Chicos, you said this was going away five months ago, and it hasn't. 
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=21887.msg253229#msg253229

Here is the problem:  Adams is a IU alum and booster, he has now publically proclaimed he has donated his own money to A-HOPE, he has IU recruits living at his home.  His VC son was hired at IU in 2009, when IU was still on probation.  Pappa has refused to list the donors to A-HOPE, but the NCAA may find it hard to believe that not one Bloomington IU booster or alum are not on the A-HOPE donation list. The problem, as I see it, isn't the VC or the walk-on directly, but the $$ trail. 

I doubt Perea plays for IU.  If so, he will have to sit out quite a few games.  More troubling, perhaps, to IU was that they were on probation when Junior was hired--which adds to the squishiness or squirminess depending on your fanboi--but more so, the NCAA's open interpretations.  There is a reason why Glass safely squirreled lil Adams out of town is my guess, despite the statements.  And, the Drews will not go quietly you can bet on that--and they are well-armed to protect themselves.

I can't control if ESPN decides to put up a story 5 months later that is basically the same stuff ran months ago. 

I wouldn't be surprised if Perea doesn't play for IU either....what does this have to do with IU?  Did IU house Perea?  No.

He's not my fanboi but you have the Pakuni, House, Ners talking points down...congratulations

You have no idea why Adams left....your "guess" is exactly that...a GUESS


I say again....Julie Cromer.  END OF STORY

[ChicosBailBonds]

Interesting to learn you're OK with questionable behavior, so long as it's within the bounds of NCAA rules. I presume that means you'll be taking back everything you said about the DJ Newbill situation (you know ... the story that HBO looked into and took a pass on).

1)  Are you suggesting HBO wasn't doing a story on a number of college recruits that were bailed on after they signed their NLI's with Bryant Gumbel's Real Sports and that Newbill was one of several players that were part of that story?  Are you suggesting this was made up or are you saying you have no f'ing clue and don't know the details of it?  

2)  I don't support questionable behavior that's why I was so against what we did to Newbill as well as some of the other lovely things we have been accused of doing.  IU hired a former DI basketball player, a student manager at one of the top programs in the country, with a college degree, from Bloomington, to come on board in an entry level position.  Not only not against NCAA rules at the time but considered a smart move by most in the college basketball circle.  The irony is the first two years the kid was on board, IU landed two Indiana Elite kids...one who isn't even on the team any longer.  Now, in year three, they land a bunch of kids and it's all due to this kid?  Laughable.

Notre Dame coach Mike Brey also acknowledges that recruiting can occur that way [through relationships], though saying he can't recall landing an Indiana Elite or A-HOPE player in 11 years. As for IU's recent run of success, he says: "I certainly know what Bloomington means to a kid that has grown up in Indiana. It's doesn't matter what AAU team you play for, that has been a powerful thing. And I think Tom [Crean] has done a really good job of getting the momentum going in the state again."

[Lennys Tap]

Especially when you consider in 2009 it was quoted in the Herald Times that he had other offers from other schools but wanted to return to Bloomington where he grew up (he attended Bloomington South High School, played one year of college ball for Steve Alford at Iowa and then transferred to Tennessee).  I guess those other offers he got were from schools that also clearly didn't know how to hire...right Pakuni?  LOL


Adam spent the last two seasons as a student assistant at Tennessee. He also played one season at Iowa under Steve Alford (current Indiana assistant Tim Buckley was on the staff there at the time.) Adams played three years for South and was the leading scorer and team captain his senior year.

"It's pretty special for him to be able to work for a program he grew up around," said Drew's father Mark. "He had other offers, but being able to be here and be part of Indiana basketball was something he couldn't pass up."

Maybe Drew Adams had other offers and maybe he didn't, but it's laughable that your "proof" is his Daddy (who's right at the epicenter of this stinkhole). Certainly an unimpeachable source with no dog in this fight.

And even IF true, what would it prove? That other schools are willing to trade a job for Hanner Perea? This exonerates IU how?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Maybe Drew Adams had other offers and maybe he didn't, but it's laughable that your "proof" is his Daddy (who's right at the epicenter of this stinkhole). Certainly an unimpeachable source with no dog in this fight.

And even IF true, what would it prove? That other schools are willing to trade a job for Hanner Perea? This exonerates IU how?

Excuse me, show me one shred of evidence that taking on Adams meant Perea goes to IU?  Since he was hired several years ago, why didn't he just verbal then?  Please...talk about a stretch of wild proportions on your part.  Show me where ANY evidence exists that hiring Adams meant getting players.  If so, why did IU only get 2 in his first two years, one of which isn't even on the team any longer and oh by the way was likely coming to Marquette because Crean had been recruiting hm for that long.  Don't let those pesky details get in the way of your hatred.

Even ESPN is saying IU did nothing wrong...another pesky detail you don't like.   Apparently New Mexico is going to RAKE in the kids now, especially since they are willing to "trade a job for" players per Lenny.  Good grief.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Well laid out by the good doctor. For all of Adam's attempts to portray himself as Fr Flannigan this whole thing stinks to high heaven. Doubtful TC, Glass or IU go down for this as even obvious quid pro quos are difficult to prove, but the stench will linger long after Hanner Perea's eligibility is used up. At least we won't have to put up with the self-righteous, "doing it the right way" nonsense from our IU "insider". "Just win, baby" is alive and well in Bloomington - and somewhere Kelvin Sampson is smiling.

Even "obvious quid pro quos"....wow....not a shred of evidence but there you go.  Glass is unimpeachable as is Julie Cromer....it would be so nice for you to actually understand who the players are but you have no clue and your hatred clouds your every words.

You so want something to come of this that you are salivating.  It's dripping on your keyboard. Funny stuff and sad.  Facts be damned...it's all a quid pro quo.  LOL

Nope, didn't have anything to do with wanting to play for Indiana University...instead it was a quid pro quo.

Nope, didn't have anything to do with Cook Hall opening last year, the premier practice venue in college basketball bar none...instead it was a quid pro quo.

Nope, didn't have anything to do with playing for a coach that somehow (without Adams) got Dwyane Wade, Steve Novak, Jerel McNeal, Wesley Matthews, Lazar Hayward, Travis Diener and some guy named Buzz Williams to come be part of his team at Marquette....instead it was a quid pro quo.

Nope, didn't have anything to do with Crean's past history of keeping in state kids home...Travis Diener, Scott Merritt, Steve Novak, Wesley Matthews, Terry Sanders, etc, etc and somehow we're to think he couldn't do that with Indiana kids.....instead it was a quid pro quo.

Nope, didn't have anything to do with finally having a team clear of NCAA probations and any other issues that could keep the program down and thus not be enticing for a basketball player to attend....instead it was a quid pro quo.

Nope, didn't have anything to do with almost all of these kids from the state of Indiana and from a reasonable driving distance of Bloomington desiring to stay at home to play for the hometown school (not just home state, but hometown)....instead it was a quid pro quo.


House, you should get out of the doctor business on tv and become an inspector.  Maybe a CSI show for you.

[Lennys Tap]

Excuse me, show me one shred of evidence that taking on Adams meant Perea goes to IU?  Since he was hired several years ago, why didn't he just verbal then?  Please...talk about a stretch of wild proportions on your part.  Show me where ANY evidence exists that hiring Adams meant getting players.  If so, why did IU only get 2 in his first two years, one of which isn't even on the team any longer and oh by the way was likely coming to Marquette because Crean had been recruiting hm for that long.  Don't let those pesky details get in the way of your hatred.

Even ESPN is saying IU did nothing wrong...another pesky detail you don't like.   Apparently New Mexico is going to RAKE in the kids now, especially since they are willing to "trade a job for" players per Lenny.  Good grief.

You of all people want evidence? You who've gone after Buzz on stuff that is at best rumor and innuendo and at worst totally fabricated? I've already said that IU likely skates on this - short of tapes, and neither Crean nor Adams are that stupid, how can one "prove" that this thing that looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck is indeed a duck? That doesn't mean that people won't connect the dots on the IU/Adams "arrangement" and think it smells like a three day old fish. Any IU backer who is not troubled or squirming over this is either a fool or a lemming/fanboy. I'll be the first to concede that you're no fool.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Now c'mon Lenny.  Chicos only calls it how he sees it.  Unless its IU.

Exactly.  And just as ESPN stated yesterday by Brenan.."Really, the story is A-HOPE" pretty much sums it up.  Exactly what I've been saying...too bad it took ESPN's second journalist to state this and not the first one.

Thanks for concurring with me.  God Bless America and Happy Memorial Day