nice to see maymon 0-1

[GGGG]

OK...but you do realize that the full truth of the Maymon story has never come out as well.  Yet you are perfectly willing to throw him under your ethical bus...

[Lennys Tap]

When you believe that you live by standards ethically superior to others, and publically state as such, you are acting high and mighty.  Almost by the very definition of the phrase.

So if someone who believes and has the balls to publically state without equivocation that Western standards (a woman is a person, not someone's property, say) are ethically superior to those of a society that stones women whose husbands merely accuse them of misconduct - is acting high and mighty - sign me up.

The high and mighty talk the talk. We have more than our share of those around here. I'd say Warthog has a pretty impressive record of walking the walk.

[StillAWarrior]

When I give my word to someone it is my bond. As a Squadron and Group Commander my men needed to know they could stake their lives on my word. It is imperative for good order, discipline, and mission effectiveness. If Buzz Williams made a commitment to a player, manager, student, or any other member of the Marquette community he is compelled morally to honor that commitment. I have no insight into what commitments he made to the players in question - and neither do you.

I don't disagree.  None of us knows for certain whether Buzz made commitments to the players in question.  But, we can discuss it here on the message board and there is no reason that you should be running around policing this message board saying that "the subject is Maymon" and saying that others are being obtuse for bringing up other things.  If your response to Sultan's original post had been, "I don't know whether Buzz made a commitment to the players in question" that would have seemed like an honest and fair minded approach.  Your actual response, dare I say it, sounded a little high and mighty.  But of course you're free to answer as you see fit -- just like Sultan is free to raise any issue he sees fit.

[reinko]

So if someone who believes and has the balls to publically state without equivocation that Western standards (a woman is a person, not someone's property, say) are ethically superior to those of a society that stones women whose husbands merely accuse them of misconduct - is acting high and mighty - sign me up.

[Lennys Tap]

You're right that my argument doesn't address yours. It's not supposed to. It addresses Sultan's statement, which is in the blue box above it.

[reinko]

You're right that my argument doesn't address yours. It's not supposed to. It addresses Sultan's statement, which is in the blue box above it.

Whatever.  Go have fun playing semantic police arguing the difference between the word "Be" and "Act".

Peace.

[Josey Wales]

If he hadn't fit and had left after the season... fine. We move on. However, to quit mid season and leave his team hanging was pretty bad. Not to mention some of the quotes coming out; like his dad saying he wishes we never win another game, and saying the offense needs to run through maymon... give me a break.

[MerrittsMustache]

Wrong. You said "dont BE all high and mighty" not "don't ACT all high and mighty". I know you like to get Clintonesque when qualifying just how personal your insults are, but I think most of us know what the definition of is (or be) is.

So, in summary, you did call him names and you're still acting like an a-hole.

This might be a new low in MUScoop history for picking a fight simply to pick a fight.

[reinko]

If he hadn't fit and had left after the season... fine. We move on. However, to quit mid season and leave his team hanging was pretty bad. Not to mention some of the quotes coming out; like his dad saying he wishes we never win another game, and saying the offense needs to run through maymon... give me a break.

the most important phrase in that post.

[augoman]

Ya know, the problem never was Jeronne Maymon (whom may be a wonderful young man for all we know), it was his father- Tim.  Unless someone here has some factual, inside info to share why bother?

[wildbill sb]

But it was his decision. Jeronne Maymon made the decision to leave his team in the middle of a season. Tim Maymon was an influence but at the end of the day it was Jeronne's decision. And it was a decision sorely lacking in honor.

Has it been proven to everyone's satisfaction that JM left MU because of his father's undue influence or was JM told he had to leave MU because of his father's meddling?  If the former, the onus is on JM's 18 year old shoulders.  If the latter, the burden rests with BW bailing out on his commitment (yet again).

[4everwarriors]

Look, his old man cost him a watch and an IPad. Isn't that enough punishment?

[GGGG]

So if someone who believes and has the balls to publically state without equivocation that Western standards (a woman is a person, not someone's property, say) are ethically superior to those of a society that stones women whose husbands merely accuse them of misconduct - is acting high and mighty - sign me up.

Oh goodness...really?  If you are going to come back with this crap, why even bother?

[Golden Avalanche]

So if someone who believes and has the balls to publically state without equivocation that Western standards (a woman is a person, not someone's property, say) are ethically superior to those of a society that stones women whose husbands merely accuse them of misconduct - is acting high and mighty - sign me up.

The high and mighty talk the talk. We have more than our share of those around here. I'd say Warthog has a pretty impressive record of walking the walk.

Are you related to warthog?

It's the only reason I can think of why you seem to be his donkey on this matter.

[warthog-driver]

This might be a new low in MUScoop history for picking a fight simply to pick a fight.

Why are you referring to Chico?

[Lennys Tap]

This might be a new low in MUScoop history for picking a fight simply to pick a fight.

Sultan and others have recently pointed out the major differences between calling a person stupid and calling a person's opinions stupid. I knew the difference, of course, but as that "stupid" person was offended nonetheless. Maybe pointing out his own imprecision is as childish as he was. Sorry.  

[Lennys Tap]

Oh goodness...really?  If you are going to come back with this crap, why even bother?

As usual, no substance, all insult. High and mighty as it gets.

[Skatastrophy]

As usual, no substance, all insult. High and mighty as it gets.

No seriously.  It's like you're trying to pick a fight.

[Lennys Tap]

Are you related to warthog?

It's the only reason I can think of why you seem to be his donkey on this matter.

So when you carry Chico's water is it because you're his little brother?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Why are you referring to Chico?

Funny.

By the way, as stated before, thank you for your service.

I do believe, however, that you have not answered a very fair question that Henry, Sultan and others put out there.  None of those guys hate Buzz, nor do I (yet I'm accused of it).  The question was why is bad that this 18 year old kid, barely an adult who changed his mind (or had it changed for him by his father) an action that you find deplorable (as does Lenny), but when the coach of the team doesn't honor commitments it doesn't register?

This seems to be a classic double standard.  Perhaps I'm not understanding your answers clearly, but would love to hear your answer on why there appears (again, could be my misinterpretation) to be one standard of commitment you levy on the young Maymon but quite another on Buzz (who is double his age, more mature, etc)?

Thanks

[warthog-driver]

OK...but you do realize that the full truth of the Maymon story has never come out as well.  Yet you are perfectly willing to throw him under your ethical bus...

How the hell do you know what the "full truth" is? What we know is that Williams reported Maymon left the team: 

Marquette men's basketball coach Buzz Williams said he didn't know until Monday afternoon that Jeronne Maymon was unhappy with his role on the team.
By Monday evening, Williams had announced in a news release that the former Madison Memorial star and two-time Associated Press state Player of the Year had left the program. Williams told reporters in Milwaukee on Thursday that Maymon and his family met with Marquette administration Monday at 1 p.m. That meeting was immediately followed by one involving the Maymon family and Williams. "They said that he was unhappy with his role and with our offense and how he was playing," Williams said. "He's a really good kid and we were happy to have him, and I mean that in a genuine way. I think that he was growing. I think that he was getting better, but they didn't feel like the progress relative to the pace was working out to their satisfaction."

Seems to me that Maymon quit on his team at the beginning of the season.

[warthog-driver]

By the way, as stated before, thank you for your service. I do believe, however, that you have not answered a very fair question that Henry, Sultan and others put out there.  None of those guys hate Buzz, nor do I (yet I'm accused of it).  The question was why is bad that this 18 year old kid, barely an adult who changed his mind (or had it changed for him by his father) an action that you find deplorable (as does Lenny), but when the coach of the team doesn't honor commitments it doesn't register? This seems to be a classic double standard.  Perhaps I'm not understanding your answers clearly, but would love to hear your answer on why there appears (again, could be my misinterpretation) to be one standard of commitment you levy on the young Maymon but quite another on Buzz (who is double his age, more mature, etc)? Thanks

The press reported Maymon quit. We have no idea what Williams promised or said to the recruits. I deal in empiricism, Chico. Whether as a senior executive at a major Multi-National or as a squadron commander planning air strikes in Tora Bora. To act otherwise is fool hardy.

[warthog-driver]

Here are some young men who don't know the meaning of quit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlvedYbmvTM

TACP ROMAD

[ChicosBailBonds]

The press reported Maymon quit. We have no idea what Williams promised or said to the recruits. I deal in empiricism, Chico. Whether as a senior executive at a major Multi-National or as a squadron commander planning air strikes in Tora Bora. To act otherwise is fool hardy.

You still haven't answered the question about commitment from the other side, Buzz's side.  Let's say the press reports are right, and Maymon quit.  He fudged on his commitment.  We'll assume all that is correct for this discussion.

You haven't yet answered the part of commitment that the coach has.  I know those other guys asked and I'm curious as well as to why him not honoring commitments isn't viewed differently?  It seems you're willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and using the "we have no idea what he said to recruits" as the way out, not even willing to listen to what those recruits stated was said (as if their opinions or versions don't matter).  But with Maymon, also not knowing the "whole truth" you're taking a press report as the Gospel version of events.

How does that square?  I ask this politely, not in any sarcastic tone or condescending manner...I'm being straight up with you.

Thanks

[ChicosBailBonds]

Here are some young men who don't know the meaning of quit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlvedYbmvTM

TACP ROMAD

Tip of my hat to all of them, as well as the young women out there....I have one niece on the USS Reagan right now.  A cousin in the Rangers that has served two tours, and another in the Marines.  God bless them all.