Ain't Y'All Watching Newbill...

[Ready2Fly]

Blue started on the gold medal winning national team. He's at a whole different level.

[Freeport Warrior]

As for Jamil Wilson...Oregon misses him about as much as ESPN does Joe Theismann on it's football telecasts.  He's another average player who couldn't find his way around the court in year one.  

Newbill looked pretty good on a below average team -- seeing Wilson play this summer, and with a year of Buzz workouts ahead of him, I think Wilson is going to be a pretty special player with a much bigger upside than Newbill. Blue plays some pretty staunch D for a freshman. I think his all-around game will evolve as well. Kudos to Newbill, but I think Buzz made the right choice for MU.

[NersEllenson]

Many here know that I'm a fanboy of Buzz and MU...rarely am I critical of any player in our program, or anything about our program.  It says something about Newbill for me to say that from watching Newbill tonight and Vander in our 7 games so far - coupled with the stats Newbill has put up thus far - being objective...Newbill does look to be better RIGHT NOW.  Vander may have a higher ceiling, possibly...but sometimes some kids are late bloomers, and are underrated by the scouting services etc.  Such as Jimmy B, DJO, Davante Gardner.  Just because Vander is a 5 star and played on the US under 18 team does not mean that he is currently better than a guy like Newbill.

Newbill looks like a really good player right now..and his stats have been consistent..some of which have come against BCS teams like Ole Miss and South Florida.  He is a very solid defender - they moved him over to guard Nick Williams the last 8 minutes of the game and he shut him down.  This kid can play.  Period.

[jtrash37]

Newbill looks like a really good player right now..and his stats have been consistent..some of which have come against BCS teams like Ole Miss and South Florida.  

REALLY?  BCS teams in football maybe, but the Bulls will be fodder with Depaul.  Ole Miss isn't going to set any records in the SEC either. 

[Freeport Warrior]

 He is a very solid defender - they moved him over to guard Nick Williams the last 8 minutes of the game and he shut him down.  This kid can play.  Period.

Agree. Saw the game. I would still take Blue for this MU team, at this time. Vander seems like a freshman going through typical growing pains of an upper level Big East team. Newbill seems like one of the better players on a mid-level team that looks to him in spots. Different scenarios, but I think Newbill is buried on our bench. He is in a much better scenario for his skill set. Good luck to him.

[Hamostradamus]

I predict Newbill has a better college career than Vander Blue.

Well, Draftexpress has Vander going 17th overall in the 2012 NBA Draft. So if that holds up, technically, Newbill will end up with a more productive college career. So I guess we really got screwed on this one.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2012/

[WarriorHal]

Well, Draftexpress has Vander going 17th overall in the 2012 NBA Draft. So if that holds up, technically, Newbill will end up with a more productive college career. So I guess we really got screwed on this one.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2012/

If Vander is going to leave MU after his soph. season and get picked in the 1st round of the NBA draft, his game will have to improve about a billion percent over the next year. So far, he looks at best like an average freshman at the major college level. WI high school basketball just isn't that good and never has been.

[NersEllenson]

REALLY?  BCS teams in football maybe, but the Bulls will be fodder with Depaul.  Ole Miss isn't going to set any records in the SEC either. 

Fair enough point..but we can also say Vander and MU haven't faced the stiffest of competition yet - take away Duke and Gonzaga of course.  We'll get to see how it all plays out over the next four years...I certainly don't want this to come off as being "down" on Vander in anyway..as I think he will be a very good player...but this is all more of a statement as to just how good of player Newbill looks to be...he didn't look anything like a freshman out there tonight..commentators (Mark Gottfried said as much) and his coach said he's the best freshman he's ever had..Eustachy's had some players in his time too.

[Markusquette]

Agree. Saw the game. I would still take Blue for this MU team, at this time. Vander seems like a freshman going through typical growing pains of an upper level Big East team. Newbill seems like one of the better players on a mid-level team that looks to him in spots. Different scenarios, but I think Newbill is buried on our bench. He is in a much better scenario for his skill set. Good luck to him.

Agreed.  Good luck to Newbill.  Brad, it's kind of a lost cause with your preaching here.  Newbill looks like a solid player, but no need to bash they guys we have now.  Thanks for your previous assessments, but I didn't expect all your bitterness. 

[jeffreyweee]

Brad sounds like a bitter old man. It's like newbill is his son. Glad to see newbill doing well but I would definitely take all the freshman on our roster over him.

I wish people would put these stupid threads to rest.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

So newbill is a nontraditional gasser?

[4everwarriors]

Dude, why you up so early? Or are you just crawlin' into the crib?

[willie warrior]

How dare any of you criticize "In Buzz we Trust". We all know from the many posts here that Newbill screwed everything up, and Buzz did nothing wrong. And even if he did, which nobody better dare believe, he has learned from it and "moved on".

And do not dare to criticize Vander, even though he did not win POY in Wisconsin--those people did not know what they were voting on.


Some posters are probably right that the long term effects from the Newbill fiasco will destory any chance for a Philly pipeline. But fear not, we have the Texas pipeline (Otule, Williams, Fulce, etc.) Oh JFB is also from Texas.
Some of those Texas players will work out.

But don't get confused, according to all here, it was Newbill that messed up.

[GOMU1104]

Wow, DJ Newbill over Vander Blue and Jamil Wilson?

Dont quit your day job, Brad. It was nice of you to stop by.

Wait...no it wasnt.

[Sharpie]

I'd put my money on blue. Just because he hasn't put up huge numbers doesn't mean he's not going to be a great player for us. Newbill is in an entirely different situation down there. And I think it's pretty safe to say that newbill wouldn't have started let alone made the USA team. There's a reason blue started for the gold
Medal winning team even if you haven't seen it yet. Ill go out on a limb and say blue also has some very impressive performances come big east play.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Brad, we get it....you think newbill is great and was wronged by buzz. Turn the page.

Sounds like he's better off where he is anyway. Now go away

He's a Marquette fan and entitled to his opinion. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos must have stepped out tonight or he would have chimed in by now.

I was at a comedy benefit (Noreen Frasier cancer benefit) at Nokia theatre last night...Garry Shandling, Sarah Silverman, BJ Novak, Russel Brand,Aziz Ansari, Bob Saget, Patton Oswalt, etc....hilarious time.

Hopefully I dropped enough names there.  Gene Simmons at the table next to ours which was a hoot.

[ChicosBailBonds]

One thing in watching Newbill that I don't think people take into account in comparison to Vander is the competition they played against the last four years.  Wisconsin hoops has come a long way, but I'd bet everything I own that Newbill has played against tougher foes in Philly than Vander has.

As a result, Newbill looks better right now.  What happens the remaining 3 years we will have to see.  Wilson, by the way, did not look good last year for Oregon.  To his benefit, their coach left a lot to be desired.

Brad, welcome back.  Stick around.  I know why you left as we had a few email conversations.  For some here, you can only be a Marquette fan if you say certain things.  Kind of sad, but it's good to have someone here that is every bit as passionate as anyone else, loves MU (like you do) and can have an opinion and stand by it (just be prepared as you will be bludgeoned for having an opinion that some don't agree with).

Peace

[bilsu]

If Vander is going to leave MU after his soph. season and get picked in the 1st round of the NBA draft, his game will have to improve about a billion percent over the next year. So far, he looks at best like an average freshman at the major college level. WI high school basketball just isn't that good and never has been.

From what I have seen of Vander so far, he will be playing in Europe not the NBA. There is no place in the NBA for 6-3 guards who cannot shoot.
I always thought Newbill was dropped for another reason besides talent. I could see him being dropped for talent (I still would have not agreed with it) if he signed in November and did not progress. I just cannot see signing a player in April and dropping him in July, because of talent. That part makes no sense to me. I agree that between Roseboro and Newbill Buzz has blown off Phily.

[Lennys Tap]

He's a Marquette fan and entitled to his opinion. 

Actually, he's entitled to his opinion whether he's a Marquette fan or not.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Actually, he's entitled to his opinion whether he's a Marquette fan or not.

Correct, but for some people they need reminding that he loves MU as much as anyone and isn't here trolling.  The request by some posters here that he go away is what I'm talking about.

[mu_hilltopper]

Many here know that I'm a fanboy of Buzz and MU...rarely am I critical of any player in our program, or anything about our program.  It says something about Newbill for me to say that from watching Newbill tonight and Vander in our 7 games so far - coupled with the stats Newbill has put up thus far - being objective...Newbill does look to be better RIGHT NOW.  Vander may have a higher ceiling, possibly...but sometimes some kids are late bloomers, and are underrated by the scouting services etc.  Such as Jimmy B, DJO, Davante Gardner.  Just because Vander is a 5 star and played on the US under 18 team does not mean that he is currently better than a guy like Newbill.

Newbill looks like a really good player right now..and his stats have been consistent..some of which have come against BCS teams like Ole Miss and South Florida.  He is a very solid defender - they moved him over to guard Nick Williams the last 8 minutes of the game and he shut him down.  This kid can play.  Period.

+1.

Anyone who doesn't see it that way .. is clouded by the circumstances when MU gave Newbill's spot to Wilson and the vitriol of the debate that commenced.

[Mr. Nielsen]

I don't get why so many are worried about DJ Newbill? He's at a D1 school, good luck to him.

[ATL MU Warrior]

I don't get why so many are worried about DJ Newbill? He's at a D1 school, good luck to him.

I agree.  He's doing well for himself...most likely playing a lot more than he would have at MU and making the most of it.  Good for him.  Hopefully he'll have a great career. 

[4everwarriors]

I was at a comedy benefit (Noreen Frasier cancer benefit) at Nokia theatre last night...Garry Shandling, Sarah Silverman, BJ Novak, Russel Brand,Aziz Ansari, Bob Saget, Patton Oswalt, etc....hilarious time.

Hopefully I dropped enough names there.  Gene Simmons at the table next to ours which was a hoot.

Thanks for the invite, Bro. I was was home watching the tube and eating my pb & J sandwich.