Ain't Y'All Watching Newbill...

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Brad has been turned into a pariah for the Newbill situation.  He is not the only one that thinks Buzz screwed up.  (official Henry position - Buzz made a mistake.  Wilson is an upgrade.  Don't make a habit of it).  If Forster wants to have an attitude about people ganging up on him, then good show.  Doesn't make him a troll.  

Really, what you and MerrittsMustache and LennysTap and others are doing is bullying.  You are shouting him down, and Chicos down, and ganging up on what he says.  It's distasteful.

Maybe Newbill will turn out to have a better career than Blue and/or Wilson.  Hardly a crazy statement.  I will say that Newbill wouldn't have had such an impact at Marquette, though.  Because Buzz can't develop freshmen.

Those are fightin' words.

You better keep your head on a swivel.

[Lennys Tap]

Brad has been turned into a pariah for the Newbill situation.  He is not the only one that thinks Buzz screwed up.  (official Henry position - Buzz made a mistake.  Wilson is an upgrade.  Don't make a habit of it).  If Forster wants to have an attitude about people ganging up on him, then good show.  Doesn't make him a troll.  

Really, what you and MerrittsMustache and LennysTap and others are doing is bullying.  You are shouting him down, and Chicos down, and ganging up on what he says.  It's distasteful.

Maybe Newbill will turn out to have a better career than Blue and/or Wilson.  Hardly a crazy statement.  I will say that Newbill wouldn't have had such an impact at Marquette, though.  Because Buzz can't develop freshmen.

Sugar, I love your numbers and I often love your insights, but you totally lose me here. First of all, the idea that anyone (even a large group of anyones) could ever shout down the board's resident shouter is absurd. As for ganging up on or bullying him - huh? My opinions are my own and I don't check with anyone else for support or valedation. Chicos often finds himself arguing with several people at once. I'd say that's on him, not me and 20 or 30 (or more) others on the board.

[brewcity77]

Brad has been turned into a pariah for the Newbill situation.  He is not the only one that thinks Buzz screwed up.  (official Henry position - Buzz made a mistake.  Wilson is an upgrade.  Don't make a habit of it).  If Forster wants to have an attitude about people ganging up on him, then good show.  Doesn't make him a troll. 

Really, what you and MerrittsMustache and LennysTap and others are doing is bullying.  You are shouting him down, and Chicos down, and ganging up on what he says.  It's distasteful.

Maybe Newbill will turn out to have a better career than Blue and/or Wilson.  Hardly a crazy statement.  I will say that Newbill wouldn't have had such an impact at Marquette, though.  Because Buzz can't develop freshmen.

Personally, I'm not trying to gang up on Brad. I'm just calling a spade a spade. As I've said multiple times in this thread, I appreciate what Brad did during the Newbill recruitment. I thought he did a good job, and most everyone else on this site agreed with that. However, he came in and began trolling. When he was accused of being a troll by some, yet not a troll by others, all I did was explain, point by point, why what he was doing was trolling to a tee.

I don't think there was any need to bash on Blue or Wilson. If Brad wants to applaud Newbill's solid start at Southern Miss, so be it. I agree with anyone who wants to do that. When Newbill moved on, I wished him the best, and I sincerely meant it then as I do now. However, when you come in and attack Blue, who definitely doesn't deserve it, and Wilson, who I'm sure didn't plan to push Newbill out, I think that's uncalled for.

Again, if Brad wants to come back and contribute, I welcome him to it. But if he's going to offer nothing but vindictive posts, then I say move on.

Brew, I'm curious how a discussion on Newbill and his future wouldn't involve Wilson from time to time.  Newbill was cut because of Wilson.  So I'm puzzled when you say Brad brought him in for no reason as if from out in left field.  How are the two NOT married....one player was cut so the other player could be here.

Sure, Wilson's arrival signalled Newbill's departure, but does that call for an attack on Wilson? If Brad wants to blame Buzz, so be it. My thought was that Buzz made a mistake, I wasn't happy with how it played out, and that I hope he learns from the mistake and we don't see another situation like this any time in the near future. If other people can't forgive and move on, then I suppose that's their prerogative, but blame Buzz, don't blame and attack Wilson. He's what, a 20-year-old kid who just wanted a chance to play basketball closer to his family? While he's part of a situation that is germane to the argument, attacking him and his abilities is uncalled for, and I feel well within my rights to call someone out for that.

And all that said, I still wish the best for Newbill. I'm really glad to see he's had such a positive start at Southern Miss, and think this is one more indicator that Buzz has a pretty good eye for talent. Had Newbill landed at Marquette, I'm sure he would have contributed before too long, because it's clear he's got some measure of talent. It didn't work out here, but my guess is that in the long run, it will end up better for both Marquette and Newbill. You'd think that would make some people happy...but I guess not 

[Lennys Tap]

This part I was kind of confused about in what he said, maybe someone that follows it a bit more can help me out, but I didn't think MU had an elite camp this summer.

They didn't, but a crackerjack journalist never let's an inconvenient fact get in the way of a good story.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos often finds himself arguing with several people at once.

It's always the same core 5 or 6 people....takes two to tango Lenny.  It's not a one way conversation, just remember that.

[ChicosBailBonds]

It didn't work out here, but my guess is that in the long run, it will end up better for both Marquette and Newbill. You'd think that would make some people happy...but I guess not 

Hopefully it does.  I hate seeing kids have to settle for a school that was never even in their faintest dreams because of something like this.  Whether that's Newbill, Saunders, etc....I'm happy he got a full ride at a DI school, but it's sad that he's basically going somewhere he had no intention of ever going to.

Hopefully it does all work out in the long run.

[Lennys Tap]

It's always the same core 5 or 6 people....takes two to tango Lenny.  It's not a one way conversation, just remember that.

Always the same 5 or 6 people? In this thread it's been Merritt, Brew City and me. Off the top of my head, the list includes Pakuni, Ready2Fly, Jay Bee, Salsa Man, Canadian Dimes, ATL Warrior, Ners and Navin. And that's barely scratching the surface - there are many, many more.

It all boils down to this: some of us have a mostly positive view of the program. Because of that we're accused of being "fanboys" and su**ing the coach's c**k. Others (like yourself) take a more negative view and because of that are called "haters" and even once a sabotuer. We scream that we are realistic fans and that your accusations are ridiculous. You scream the same thing back at us.

We'll never agree and that's ok. I don't, however, think it's okay to suggest that you have God and everything that is Marquette on your side while those who disagree with you are your moral inferiors. Guess I missed that part of the Cura Personalis you picked up at MU.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Nor is it ok for you to believe you have God and everything that is Marquette on your side and to suggest if we don't drink all the Kool-Aid we hate MU, hate Buzz, blah blah....takes two to tango.  

That remains the problem, you apply one standard for yourselves and a different one for others.  I'm guilty of it as well....no problem admitting that.


Yes, the core 5 to 6 people are the same...you, Ners, Jay Bee, etc.  It's like the bat signal goes off.  Its funny to watch.  

Salsa Man has about 130 posts total on this board and you're counting him?  Please.   Ready2Fly is rarely here either, only to attack certain posters.  Merrit does the same thing.  LC Dutchman...complete fraud...as are others like Dimes...sure you want to count them...how many times...which one of their usernames do you count?  Etc.  I especially like the ones where all their creation dates are on the same day...hmm.    

rocky's edit: anonymized.  c'mon chicos - it may be publicly available, but it's their choice to use a username.

[Ready2Fly]

Chicos, don't ever use my real name again. You don't know me, and what does it prove? That you're an expert internet stalker?

My viewpoint is this: no one disagrees that Newbill had talent. Had Brad left it at that, he wouldn't have been attacked.

Also, check out Kemba Walker and Wesley Matthews' freshman year stats. Some on this board would have taken the Gasser and Newbill equivalent over those two at the same point in their careers and called them overrated. That would have been dumb.

[Ready2Fly]

In fact, go back and delete my name from your post. It's completely unnecessary. You wonder why everyone thinks you're a complete tool?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos, don't ever use my real name again. You don't know me, and what does it prove? That you're an expert internet stalker?

My viewpoint is this: no one disagrees that Newbill had talent. Had Brad left it at that, he wouldn't have been attacked.

Also, check out Kemba Walker and Wesley Matthews' freshman year stats. Some on this board would have taken the Gasser and Newbill equivalent over those two at the same point in their careers and called them overrated. That would have been dumb.

Stalker...hardly...it's in your profile on your page here for everyone to see.  You answered a question on whether you wanted your name publicly open.  You obviously did or you wouldn't have checked that box.  Not my fault.  I can only act on what you have allowed people to view.

Have you ever gone back and read your 500 posts and what an unusually large number in which you are totally obsessed with someone?  Talk about stalking.

No one disagrees Newbill had talent?  Really....better go back and read the threads here when he was cut...plenty of people ripping on his talent and the ripping got worse the longer it played out.  So I disagree, your statement is incorrect.

[rocky_warrior]

I sick of this s#1t!  If you guys can't discuss basketball without attacking each other, then don't click post!

Yet another thread locked.

[mu_hilltopper]

I sick of this s#1t!  If you guys can't discuss basketball without attacking each other, then don't click post!

Yet another thread locked.

CO FREAKING SIGN.

Now I know what this thread was talking about. 

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=22710.0;topicseen