NL Central Pissing Match - 2010

[LON]

Now if we could just do the same to Ken Macha.  I'm seriously beginning to think he's worse than Ned Yost, and I never imagined that could be possible.  He's just as bad at handling his pitchers and what is he doing with the lineup?  He has to figure out where he wants to bat Fielder, Braun, and McGehee in the lineup and be consistent with it.  You can't move your 3 best hitters around in the lineup every game.  In the 3 game series against St. Louis those 3 hit in 3 different spots in the lineup.  That's ridiculous to do in June against the division leader.  Figure out where you want them and let them get settled in.  Not to mention, offense is about the last of our problems, so I'm not sure why he feels the need to change the lineup around so much.

Know what I liked...bringing in RH specialist Dave Bush to get a strikeout last night...

After he let Parra throw about 15 more balls than he should have...

[MerrittsMustache]

Now if we could just do the same to Ken Macha.  I'm seriously beginning to think he's worse than Ned Yost, and I never imagined that could be possible.  He's just as bad at handling his pitchers and what is he doing with the lineup?  He has to figure out where he wants to bat Fielder, Braun, and McGehee in the lineup and be consistent with it.  You can't move your 3 best hitters around in the lineup every game.  In the 3 game series against St. Louis those 3 hit in 3 different spots in the lineup.  That's ridiculous to do in June against the division leader.  Figure out where you want them and let them get settled in.  Not to mention, offense is about the last of our problems, so I'm not sure why he feels the need to change the lineup around so much.

Trey Hillman and Dave Trembley are available. Wait a couple months and Lou Piniella will probably be on that list as well.

[NavinRJohnson]

Just thought everyone should know the pathetic Cubs start a series with the pathetic Brewers tonight. This is an important series as it should help determine which team starts selling off players first.

I know the Brewers are going nowhere, but if I were a Cub fan, I would hope to get swept, so Jim Hendry will trade Carlos Silva as soon as possible, so the impending collapse becomes somebody else's problem. If he could turn the Milton Bradley disaster into a decent prospect, that would be a huge win.

As a Brewer fan, I am hoping they get swept, while Prince Fielder hits about 5 HR's so they pull the trigger on trading him to get back as much as possible. I love Prince but there is just no way he is here in 2012, so its time to get while the gettin' is good.

[MerrittsMustache]

Just thought everyone should know the pathetic Cubs start a series with the pathetic Brewers tonight. This is an important series as it should help determine which team starts selling off players first.

I know the Brewers are going nowhere, but if I were a Cub fan, I would hope to get swept, so Jim Hendry will trade Carlos Silva as soon as possible, so the impending collapse becomes somebody else's problem. If he could turn the Milton Bradley disaster into a decent prospect, that would be a huge win.

As a Brewer fan, I am hoping they get swept, while Prince Fielder hits about 5 HR's so they pull the trigger on trading him to get back as much as possible. I love Prince but there is just no way he is here in 2012, so its time to get while the gettin' is good.

Oddly valid points about hoping to get swept.

The Brewers are actually in a better position going forward in terms of trade bait. They should be able to get some decent prospects if they ship out Fielder. The Cubs, on the other hand, seemed to think they were built to win this season and waited too long to sell off parts and receive much value. I understand that no-trade clauses would have had to be waved in a couple cases but Ramirez, Lee, Zambrano, Dempster, Lilly, Soriano and Theriot should have been shopped this offseason because it was clear that this team was going to be mediocre, at best, with those guys. I realize Soriano and Zambrano are more or less unmoveable, but those other guys had some value (Lilly's injury not withstanding) and could have gotten the team at least some mid-level prospects.

As they say, it's always better to trade a player a year too soon than wait a year too long. Unfortunately for Cubs fans, their team waited too long.

[MerrittsMustache]

The Brewers come from behind against Marmol and win it on a walk-off hit, yet no Brewers fans even mention it on here?!? Has the bandwagon emptied that quickly or do the real Brewers fans understand that both teams are going no where? I guess it's probably both.

[LON]

The Brewers come from behind against Marmol and win it on a walk-off hit, yet no Brewers fans even mention it on here?!? Has the bandwagon emptied that quickly or do the real Brewers fans understand that both teams are going no where? I guess it's probably both.

Axford's mustache is about the only thing that gets me excited about this team...

The walk-off was nice, though.  And holy crap, I may have to stop hating Cory Hart...

[NavinRJohnson]

The Brewers come from behind against Marmol and win it on a walk-off hit, yet no Brewers fans even mention it on here?!? Has the bandwagon emptied that quickly or do the real Brewers fans understand that both teams are going no where? I guess it's probably both.

That was a very good game last night....good enough to make me watch tonight. However, it also displayed pretty clearly just how bad these teams are. Good starting pitching from both teams, but one bullpen is worse than the next, with both teams more reliable guys coughing it up in the 9th inning. Both teams are going nowhere, and these games are nothing but an exercise in futility.

[TallTitan34]

The Brewers come from behind against Marmol and win it on a walk-off hit, yet no Brewers fans even mention it on here?!? Has the bandwagon emptied that quickly or do the real Brewers fans understand that both teams are going no where? I guess it's probably both.

Cubs fans have the luxury of the Blackhawks being the focus of their attention.

[DJO's Pump Fake]

I'm excited about tonights game too.......ESPN broadcast!

[LON]

Cubs fans have the luxury of the Blackhawks being the focus of their attention.

There's still room left on that bandwagon?

[wadesworld]

Just realize that the Brewers are going nowhere. To start the season I figured we were a .500 team last year and I figured Wolf and Davis would improve our pitching, but the pitching has just gotten worse. Never thought that'd be possible. Is it bad when you start a season with your AAA team having a better bullpen than your MLB team? I think the Brewers bullpen is actually really strong now with Villanueva and Braddack (and soon Smith) setting it up for Axford (yeah he gave up a run last night but I think he's going to be really good). It's just too bad our starting pitching is awful.

I guess the way I look at it is when you have 1 player leading thr league in RBI and another leading the league in home runs to go along with 2 of the best hitters in the league and you're still 10 games under .500 you're probably not going anywhere unfortunately.

That said, it's always nice to beat the Cubs. Especially on a last at-bat, comeback win. If only it hurt the Cubs...really doesn't mean much though

[Moonboots]

The Brewers come from behind against Marmol and win it on a walk-off hit, yet no Brewers fans even mention it on here?!? Has the bandwagon emptied that quickly or do the real Brewers fans understand that both teams are going no where? I guess it's probably both.

I do indeed understand that both teams are going nowhere.

I have to admit though, being at last night's game was a lot of fun.  Maybe the best moment for the Crew all season. I think attendance last night was an indicator of how down these fanbases really are about the ball clubs right now.

[wadesworld]

Also on the topic of trading Prince for pitching, we have to get a scout into the organization who knows what he's doing with pitching first. The Brewers have proven time and time again they have nobody in the organization with a sense of young pitching talent. I don't want to trade Prince for pitchers who may end up doing absolutely nothing.

Which reminds me of us trading Carlos Lee (when he was still raking) and Nelson Cruz(!) for Coco Corderro and Kevin Mench. Yikes

[GOMU1104]

Also on the topic of trading Prince for pitching, we have to get a scout into the organization who knows what he's doing with pitching first. The Brewers have proven time and time again they have nobody in the organization with a sense of young pitching talent. I don't want to trade Prince for pitchers who may end up doing absolutely nothing.

Which reminds me of us trading Carlos Lee (when he was still raking) and Nelson Cruz(!) for Coco Corderro and Kevin Mench. Yikes

19 of the 30 players the Brewers selected in draft so far have been pitchers. Theres no doubt they need to add pitching depth throughout the organization.

Onto your next point...go back to when they actually made the Carlos Lee trade and really think about it. Its easy to look at Nelson Cruz now and criticize it, but at the time of the trade, Cruz had done absolutely nothing to show that he would be a productive Major leaguer. At the time, he was considered to have reached his ceiling. In fact, it took him until the 2009 season (28 years of age) and 4 years after the trade, and hitting in a hitters park, to do anything of note.

As for Lee, he ended up signing a 6 year, 100 million contract with Houston...a contract they have regretted since the moment it was signed.

[Lacrosse218]

There's still room left on that bandwagon?

You are an idiot.  If you had any clue on how the Blackhawks organization was run up until about 2-3 years ago, you would understand why most Hawks fans disappeared until a year or so ago.  Go Hawks!

[LON]

You are an idiot.  If you had any clue on how the Blackhawks organization was run up until about 2-3 years ago, you would understand why most Hawks fans disappeared until a year or so ago.  Go Hawks!

My intent was to touch a nerve, it's a pissing match thread...get over yourself.

/I do know the Hawks were basically dead last in attendance for the 2006 season

[DJO's Pump Fake]

Quote from: LancesOtherNut on Today at 11:04:14 AM
There's still room left on that bandwagon?

You are an idiot.  If you had any clue on how the Blackhawks organization was run up until about 2-3 years ago, you would understand why most Hawks fans disappeared until a year or so ago.  Go Hawks!

It's not a bandwagon....it's called being a fair weather fan.

If your a fan you follow your team through ups and downs...not just when its easy to follow them.

/Start the avalanche of hawks fans yelling about ownership, tv deals, blah blah blah.

Go Flyers

[MerrittsMustache]

It's not a bandwagon....it's called being a fair weather fan.

If your a fan you follow your team through ups and downs...not just when its easy to follow them.

Very true. Fair weather fandom is something Brewers fans know all about 

[Moonboots]

You are an idiot.  If you had any clue on how the Blackhawks organization was run up until about 2-3 years ago, you would understand why most Hawks fans disappeared until a year or so ago.  Go Hawks!

Blah blah blah. Such is the life of a sports fan. The issue is getting people to ADMIT that they're no more than bandwagon Hawks fans after the events of the past two or three years. I'll happily admit I watched only a handful of Bucks games over the past 5-6 years until about midseason of this year through the playoff run. Without opening up the bandwagon, the Bucks would have had nothing to go on.

But Blackhawks fans? There's this pissy defensive resistance that has permeated campus in the past two years, people claiming they've been Blackhawks diehards all their lives, but only just became vocal or began wearing Hawks gear in 2008. Convenient.

[LON]

Blah blah blah. Such is the life of a sports fan. The issue is getting people to ADMIT that they're no more than bandwagon Hawks fans after the events of the past two or three years. I'll happily admit I watched only a handful of Bucks games over the past 5-6 years until about midseason of this year through the playoff run. Without opening up the bandwagon, the Bucks would have had nothing to go on.

But Blackhawks fans? There's this pissy defensive resistance that has permeated campus in the past two years, people claiming they've been Blackhawks diehards all their lives, but only just became vocal or began wearing Hawks gear in 2008. Convenient.

All the while talking about how cool that new Fratellis ringtone they just downloaded is...

[🏀]

All the while talking about how cool that new Fratellis ringtone they just downloaded is...

Bandwagon Hawks fan here, the Fratellis suck and Chelsea Dagger sucks.

Anyways... I watched the Hawks a bit last year and more this year. If it makes me a bandwagon fan, so be it. But three years ago, you couldn't watch the Hawks on TV at all really, so I'm not sure how it works.

[TallTitan34]

I'll openly admit I joined the bandwagon a three years ago for a couple reasons.

First and foremost the death of Bill Wirtz allowed me to actually watch the games on tv which is huge because I live in Rockford.

Second, the Rockford Icehogs became affiliated with the Blackhawks a few years ago allowing me to see several of the current Blackhawks (Niemi, Versteeg, Byfuglien, etc...) play before they got called up.

The week Bill Wirtz died I went out and bought my white sweater.  As bad as it sounds none of this happens if he doesn't die.

[Lacrosse218]

It's not a bandwagon....it's called being a fair weather fan.

If your a fan you follow your team through ups and downs...not just when its easy to follow them.

/Start the avalanche of hawks fans yelling about ownership, tv deals, blah blah blah.

Go Flyers

Flyers suck and so does Chrissy Pronger.  Enjoy us celebrating a cup on your home ice.  Hopefully no one gets puked on tonight, stay classy Philly.

[damuts222]

 Who cares if you a bandwagon, whether your a fan of the Blackhawks or not the NHL was good as $hit a couple years ago thanks to the lockout. Inject some young talent into the league and now look at how quickly it has rose as a sport, not just the Hawks.

[RJax55]

I'll openly admit I joined the bandwagon a three years ago for a couple reasons.

I wouldn't consider you a bandwagon fan.

Yes, people starting following the Hawks again after Bill Wirtz died, but that's because the organization finally realized, hey its 2007, not 1967, maybe our business model needs to be updated.

Back in '07, there was no bandwagon to join... The Hawks were still a bad team. Yes, they had some young talent, but they still missed the playoffs.

I would say that fans like TT that started to follow the Hawks in '07 came about because the first time in their lives the Hawks were an accessable and fan friendly organization.