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mileskishnish72

I've got to admit, I watch a LOT of college hoops. But - I don't think I can recall seeing the same kind of lane violation called that happed in the Asheville and ND games. Does anybody else think it's a little odd that this same call gets made twice in the deciding moments of two tournament games?

jficke13

a little odd? yes. anything other than a coincidence? no.

bilsu

I do not know if I have ever seen it called. When you are at a game and they call a lane violation, I just assume it is on a player who is on the free throw lane. What bothers me is calling things in the NCAA tournament they do not call in regular games. The whole season should be about learning not to do stupid things. If they do not call it in the regualr season, then they should not call it in the NCAA tournament.

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: bilsu on March 17, 2012, 08:53:55 AM
I do not know if I have ever seen it called. When you are at a game and they call a lane violation, I just assume it is on a player who is on the free throw lane. What bothers me is calling things in the NCAA tournament they do not call in regular games. The whole season should be about learning not to do stupid things. If they do not call it in the regualr season, then they should not call it in the NCAA tournament.

This. Something that guys like Seth Davis don't seem capable of acknowledging. They were correct calls, but seems like an awfully odd time to start enforcing the rule.

mileskishnish72


muwarrior69

Can someone really explain this rule to me? Is it just the player who shoots from beyond the arc or any offensive player who is beyond the arc that the rule applies to.

RushmoreAcademy

Great point bilsu.... and not only just calling it during the tournament, but calling it at clutch moments.
Can you imagine if they called lane violations in the NBA? The games were be 6 hours long.

WellsstreetWanderer

How about if they calle traveling in the NBA?  Call at end of ND game was a little cruel. Barkley was beside himself about it

wadesworld

bilsu that's a good point and the best argument I have seen for not calling it; however, I obviously can't say for certain since I'm not watching for that type of violation during the regular season, but it seems to me like those instances happen a lot more often in desperation games.  How often do you see a guy crashing in for the rebound from the 3 point line on a free throw in a non-conference game?  And some people say they shouldn't call it because they hadn't throughout the entire game, but again how often are people desperately crashing in for the offensive rebound from beyond the 3 point line with 4 minutes left in a game or whatever?  It seems like only when you're down in the final seconds that people come screaming in like that.  Maybe it just really doesn't happen that often.

NCAARules

Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 17, 2012, 10:00:20 AM
Can someone really explain this rule to me? Is it just the player who shoots from beyond the arc or any offensive player who is beyond the arc that the rule applies to.

Any player - not just offensive players - who are line up "behind" the shooter - have to wait for the ball to strike the rim before crossing the FT line-extended.


"Players not in a legal marked lane space shall remain behind the freethrow
line extended and behind the three-point field-goal line until the ball
strikes the ring, flange or backboard, or until the free throw ends."


warriorchick

Quote from: nnovak8 on March 17, 2012, 11:22:53 AM
Great point bilsu.... and not only just calling it during the tournament, but calling it at clutch moments.
Can you imagine if they called lane violations in the NBA? The games were be 6 hours long.

Not necessarily.  Guys would stop doing it.
Have some patience, FFS.

bilsu

I think this is a perfect example of what I am scared about. Against BYU when Gardner scored and was fouled he was screaming and pounding his chest. I am thinking stopped that before they call a T on you. Of couse they let it go and I do not think he was even warned about. Now you go down to the final minute of the game against Murray St and Gardner does the same thing. That is when the refs will decide to call the T.

Bocephys

Quote from: bilsu on March 17, 2012, 11:49:50 AM
I think this is a perfect example of what I am scared about. Against BYU when Gardner scored and was fouled he was screaming and pounding his chest. I am thinking stopped that before they call a T on you. Of couse they let it go and I do not think he was even warned about. Now you go down to the final minute of the game against Murray St and Gardner does the same thing. That is when the refs will decide to call the T.

I'm pretty sure you can scream and pound your chest to the crowd or teammates, just not the opposing team or refs.

GGGG

Quote from: Bocephys on March 17, 2012, 12:07:58 PM
I'm pretty sure you can scream and pound your chest to the crowd or teammates, just not the opposing team or refs.

Correct.  And it can't carry on too long.

Lighthouse 84

As much as I hate ND and am glad they lost, they got hosed on that call.
HILLTOP SENIOR SURVEY from 1984 Yearbook: 
Favorite Drinking Establishment:

1. The Avalanche.              7. Major Goolsby's.
2. The Gym.                      8. Park Avenue.
3. The Ardmore.                 9. Mugrack.
4. O'Donohues.                 10. Lighthouse.
5. O'Pagets.
6. Hagerty's.

GGGG

Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on March 17, 2012, 01:30:32 PM
As much as I hate ND and am glad they lost, they got hosed on that call.


Why?  It was a legitimate rule that was broken.

Lighthouse 84

Clark Kellogg explained that you can't go Into the lane until the ball leaves the shooter's hands. I rewound the DVR over and over and watched. Grant didn't enter until well after th ball had left the shooter's hands.
HILLTOP SENIOR SURVEY from 1984 Yearbook: 
Favorite Drinking Establishment:

1. The Avalanche.              7. Major Goolsby's.
2. The Gym.                      8. Park Avenue.
3. The Ardmore.                 9. Mugrack.
4. O'Donohues.                 10. Lighthouse.
5. O'Pagets.
6. Hagerty's.

GGGG

Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on March 17, 2012, 02:06:07 PM
Clark Kellogg explained that you can't go Into the lane until the ball leaves the shooter's hands. I rewound the DVR over and over and watched. Grant didn't enter until well after th ball had left the shooter's hands.


He was wrong.  If you are above the 3 pt line, you can't go into the lane until the ball hits the rim.

NCAA Basketball Rule 9.1.g

Players not in a legal marked lane space shall remain
behind the freethrow line extended and behind the
three-point field-goal line until the ball strikes the ring,
flange or backboard, or until the free throw ends.

🏀

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 17, 2012, 02:09:17 PM

He was wrong.  If you are above the 3 pt line, you can't go into the lane until the ball hits the rim.

NCAA Basketball Rule 9.1.g

Players not in a legal marked lane space shall remain
behind the freethrow line extended and behind the
three-point field-goal line until the ball strikes the ring,
flange or backboard, or until the free throw ends.

Served.

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