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Title: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 04, 2019, 10:15:20 PM
Well..... I might rather have the DePaul program right now.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 82fanatic on December 04, 2019, 10:16:27 PM
Go troll someone else !
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: IL Warrior on December 04, 2019, 10:17:50 PM
Yeah I'd love to have a program that's so bad the students rush the floor after a nonconference OT win over an unranked team. A program on its first 9 game win streak in nearly 30 years.

Go away.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: TSmith34 on December 04, 2019, 10:18:21 PM
What a dullard.

Off to ignore
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 04, 2019, 10:18:27 PM
Go troll someone else !
I always get called out as a troll whenever I point to inconsistencies in arguments on the opposite side of my opinion.  It doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 04, 2019, 10:20:05 PM
Yeah I'd love to have a program that's so bad the students rush the floor after a nonconference OT win over an unranked team. A program on its first 9 game win streak in nearly 30 years.

Go away.
I don't care about the students rushing or not rushing.  That has nothing to do with the fact that, this year, the basketball team is 9-0 with far more quality wins than our own.  Even though we started ahead of them in 2014.

Obviously let the year play out, but DePaul is currently putting together a better season than Marquette - fact.

**Edit:  Same amount of NCAA wins in that timeframe as well.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: muguru on December 04, 2019, 10:21:55 PM
I always get called out as a troll whenever I point to inconsistencies in arguments on the opposite side of my opinion.  It doesn't make sense.

C'mon...they are 9-0..and haven't played a Big east game yet. Once they start playing teams that have seen them before, we will see a different DePaul team. remember, this is the same team the Coaches picked for what 8th or 9th in the Big east?? Would not surprise me in the least if they are close to .500 by the end of the year. I realize to both their fans, it feels like they have won a National Championship, but they haven't won sh*t yet. Let's also remember, they got a HUGE break in that Charlie Moore was granted a wiver or where would they be?? Texas Tech was also playing without their best player tonight. A little perspective.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: MUUWUWM on December 04, 2019, 10:22:31 PM
Umm...I don't remember that..please post a link.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: MU82 on December 04, 2019, 10:26:02 PM
I always get called out as a troll whenever I ...

... act like an effen troll.

Which is 100% of the time.

Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 04, 2019, 10:30:12 PM
I mean people want to talk about trajectory.  Maybe it's time to seriously look at their trajectory.  Winning percentages:

1.  .290
2.  .281
3.  .528
4.  1.000 (obviously won't last but let's pretend that ends somewhere around .650)

Can we really say our program has done a better job rebuilding itself than even the lowly DePaul program?

I'm more than happy to let the year play out, but if DePaul has a great year and we don't Wojo is going to start running out of all excuses (if he hasn't already).
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 04, 2019, 10:31:48 PM
They've been rebuilding ever since Quentin Richardson left...
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 04, 2019, 10:32:36 PM
Well..... I might rather have the DePaul program right now.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59456.0
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: MU82 on December 04, 2019, 10:33:43 PM

Can we really ...

... wait to see if DePaul finally has one consecutive decent season before we proclaim them the next great team that Marquette and every other Big East program should want to emulate.

Troll.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 04, 2019, 10:37:45 PM
... wait to see if DePaul finally has one consecutive decent season before we proclaim them the next great team that Marquette and every other Big East program should want to emulate.

Troll.
Is that what I did?  Nova, Seton Hall, Xavier, Butler all have fine programs better than DePaul's.  Whether our program is better than DePaul's moving forward is at the least questionable and that is a major problem.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Pakuni on December 04, 2019, 10:40:33 PM
Well..... I might rather have the DePaul program right now.

I'm sure there's plenty of space aboard the bandwagon.
We'd hate to see you leave us, but do what you must.

FWIW, MU's win over Purdue >>>>> Any DePaul win.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 04, 2019, 10:46:13 PM
I'm sure there's plenty of space aboard the bandwagon.
We'd hate to see you leave us, but do what you must.

FWIW, MU's win over Purdue >>>>> Any DePaul win.

+ 1

Make your words count, delete your account and go sign up here.

https://247sports.com/college/depaul/board/discussion-103822/

They will welcome you with open arms.

Enjoy
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 04, 2019, 10:46:41 PM
I'm sure there's plenty of space aboard the bandwagon.
We'd hate to see you leave us, but do what you must.

FWIW, MU's win over Purdue >>>>> Any DePaul win.
I went to MU just like everybody else here, and I went to/continue to go to all the games and never say a slight word while there.  But it's obviously not worth turning into a fandom piss measuring contest.  This board is for opinions and part of what makes it stimulating is differences of opinion - which I seem to have.  So in short - I'm not going to the DePaul board any time soon.

DePaul's collection of NC wins >>>> MU's collection of NC wins (I strongly doubt we'd be 9-0 with their schedule)
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: WarriorDad on December 04, 2019, 10:46:55 PM
I always get called out as a troll whenever I point to inconsistencies in arguments on the opposite side of my opinion.  It doesn't make sense.

Because you are inconsistent yourself.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 04, 2019, 10:47:57 PM
+ 1

Make your words count, delete your account and go sign up here.

https://247sports.com/college/depaul/board/discussion-103822/

They will welcome you with open arms.

Enjoy
see above - posters like you are the real trolls here
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: IL Warrior on December 04, 2019, 10:48:09 PM
I mean people want to talk about trajectory.  Maybe it's time to seriously look at their trajectory.  Winning percentages:

1.  .290
2.  .281
3.  .528
4.  1.000 (obviously won't last but let's pretend that ends somewhere around .650)


Can we really say our program has done a better job rebuilding itself than even the lowly DePaul program?

I'm more than happy to let the year play out, but if DePaul has a great year and we don't Wojo is going to start running out of all excuses (if he hasn't already).
You know the last time Marquette had consecutive seasons with a sub-.300 winning percentage?

Never. Not once in 103 seasons. It has only happened in a single season 3 times, and not since 1963-64.

I think I'll take our program going forward.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 04, 2019, 10:49:12 PM
Because you are inconsistent yourself.
As we all are.  Why are radical Wojo supporters any less of trolls than radical Wojo deniers?  Makes no sense, the premise itself is flawed.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: manesworld on December 04, 2019, 10:49:21 PM
Good God this dude might start a new thread after every game a program that is worse than Marquette wins.

Kenpom numbers were used as proof that Xavier and Butler were better than us. No need to play out the season. What do the Kenpom numbers say about MU vs. DePaul?

They say your mind is a pretzel.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on December 04, 2019, 10:49:35 PM
Well..... I might rather have the DePaul program right now.

You must not be particularly bright.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: WarriorDad on December 04, 2019, 10:49:42 PM
I mean people want to talk about trajectory.  Maybe it's time to seriously look at their trajectory.  Winning percentages:

1.  .290
2.  .281
3.  .528
4.  1.000 (obviously won't last but let's pretend that ends somewhere around .650)

Can we really say our program has done a better job rebuilding itself than even the lowly DePaul program?

I'm more than happy to let the year play out, but if DePaul has a great year and we don't Wojo is going to start running out of all excuses (if he hasn't already).

The last NCAA bid was what decade?  Marquette went last season. I thought the were to make this leap last year, but it was coming with the new arena.  Happy for them and happy for Marquette.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: BallBoy on December 04, 2019, 10:50:57 PM
Well..... I might rather have the DePaul program right now.

Oh how some only look at a decent Non-conference schedule to turncoat and not look at anything off the court or in conference.  I believe DePaul still has the Bowen ruling coming down.
 
https://apnews.com/849f658c589347e79ecc2f8ee92290dd


Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 04, 2019, 10:53:14 PM
You know the last time Marquette had consecutive seasons with a sub-.300 winning percentage?

Never. Not once in 103 seasons. It has only happened in a single season 3 times, and not since 1963-64.

I think I'll take our program going forward.
But that's clearly no longer the state of their program.  They'd have to go about 7-16 to go .500 this year.  Or even worse 1-22 to go .300 as you mention.  That's not going to happen so if they even put together a decent Big East year, the program objectively had a good year.  Which would build on a .500+ season last year.  This is the point I'm making.

All with the same number of NCAAT wins as MU in that timeframe.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 04, 2019, 10:53:54 PM
is at the least questionable

You're the only one questioning it.  And it's a stupid question.  Unlike someone may have told you.  There are such things as stoopid questions.

By every statistical measure, Marquette is a better program than DePaul so far this year.  Way better.  After today's games...

Marquette #30 kenpom
DePaul #51 kenpom

Marquette #37 t-rank
DePaul #71 t-rank

DePaul's collection of NC wins >>>> MU's collection of NC wins (I strongly doubt we'd be 9-0 with their schedule)

Yeah...wrong.  See above.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Eldon on December 04, 2019, 10:54:27 PM
I mean people want to talk about trajectory.  Maybe it's time to seriously look at their trajectory.  Winning percentages:

1.  .290
2.  .281
3.  .528
4.  1.000 (obviously won't last but let's pretend that ends somewhere around .650)

Can we really say our program has done a better job rebuilding itself than even the lowly DePaul program?

I'm more than happy to let the year play out, but if DePaul has a great year and we don't Wojo is going to start running out of all excuses (if he hasn't already).

DePaul's potential success is completely irrelevant to judge MU's rebuild.

Hausergate bought Wojo a mulligan this year. And Garcia bought him two more (to see him as an upperclassman).
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: forgetful on December 04, 2019, 10:56:05 PM
Right now Depaul's NET rating is 102, Marquette's is 28.

I'll take the 28.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 04, 2019, 10:57:07 PM
DePaul's potential success is completely irrelevant to judge MU's rebuild.

Hausergate bought Wojo a mulligan this year. And Garcia bought him two more (to see him as an upperclassman).
So we shall decide once and for all on Wojo come 2025.  That is all.  Motion to adjourn.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 04, 2019, 10:58:08 PM
Right now Depaul's NET rating is 102, Marquette's is 28.

I'll take the 28.

I think you're looking at last years numbers.  NET not being updated yet.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 04, 2019, 10:58:59 PM
I think you're looking at last years numbers.  NET not being updated yet.
+1 thank you for being objective
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 04, 2019, 11:00:14 PM
+1 thank you for being objective

His point still remains valid.. In case you missed it:

By every statistical measure, Marquette is a better program than DePaul so far this year.  Way better.  After today's games...

Marquette #30 kenpom
DePaul #51 kenpom

Marquette #37 t-rank
DePaul #71 t-rank
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: MU82 on December 04, 2019, 11:02:52 PM
Whether our program is better than DePaul's moving forward is at the least questionable and that is a major problem.

I remember my first beer.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 04, 2019, 11:05:33 PM
His point still remains valid.. In case you missed it:
Yes, I will concede that.  According to KenPom's algorithms DePaul is not ranked higher at this point in time.  But the gap is not wide like many here would have you believe.  Nor is the gap an assured reality as there is much to be spoken for during Big East play. 

Further, if the same argument was flipped for say - Butler or Xavier with MU being a mathematically inferior team, I would be told that "trajectory" is the best way to measure our program.

Ergo, I'm pointing out a situation where trajectory can be flipped to the other side of the argument.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: manesworld on December 04, 2019, 11:12:19 PM
Yes, I will concede that.  According to KenPom's algorithms DePaul is not ranked higher at this point in time.  But the gap is not wide like many here would have you believe.  Nor is the gap an assured reality as there is much to be spoken for during Big East play. 

Further, if the same argument was flipped for say - Butler or Xavier with MU being a mathematically inferior team, I would be told that "trajectory" is the best way to measure our program.

Ergo, I'm pointing out a situation where trajectory can be flipped to the other side of the argument.

Ergo your point was stupid and only an idiot would trade Marquette’s program for DePaul’s program.

Wait nevermind. The issue is Wojo hasn’t won in March. Been 7 years (since we know we aren’t better than Xavier or Butler so this year we just get 0 Tourney wins). DePaul’s been racking up those NCAA Tournament wins the last 7 years.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 04, 2019, 11:15:48 PM
Ergo your point was stupid and only an idiot would trade Marquette’s program for DePaul’s program.

Wait nevermind. The issue is Wojo hasn’t won in March. Been 7 years (since we know we aren’t better than Xavier or Butler so this year we just get 0 Tourney wins). DePaul’s been racking up those NCAA Tournament wins the last 7 years.
Racking them up at the same rate as MU.  I didn't say I'm trading the program today.  I'm just saying, given the trajectory they're showing, it's at least questionable.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: BM1090 on December 04, 2019, 11:17:26 PM
I don't care about the students rushing or not rushing.  That has nothing to do with the fact that, this year, the basketball team is 9-0 with far more quality wins than our own.  Even though we started ahead of them in 2014.

Obviously let the year play out, but DePaul is currently putting together a better season than Marquette - fact.

**Edit:  Same amount of NCAA wins in that timeframe as well.

Far more quality wins?

Our top 3 wins according to Kenpom are against teams ranked 5, 59, and 85

DePaul has wins against 28, 39, and 66.

The only reason they are undefeated is because they havent played another top 100 team while we've played 2 additional away from home.

I'm happy for DePaul and maybe they are legit. I hope they are. But their resume is maybe slightly better than ours currently. A win over @KSU and that would mean we have more quad 1 and 2 wins than them
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: MU82 on December 04, 2019, 11:17:48 PM
Most folks think the world is round.

Kyrie Irving says it's flat.

So hey ... it's at least questionable.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: manesworld on December 04, 2019, 11:18:06 PM
Racking them up at the same rate as MU.  I didn't say I'm trading the program today.  I'm just saying, given the trajectory they're showing, it's at least questionable.

No, it's not.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on December 04, 2019, 11:20:57 PM
I mean people want to talk about trajectory.  Maybe it's time to seriously look at their trajectory.  Winning percentages:

1.  .290
2.  .281
3.  .528
4.  1.000 (obviously won't last but let's pretend that ends somewhere around .650)

Can we really say our program has done a better job rebuilding itself than even the lowly DePaul program?

I'm more than happy to let the year play out, but if DePaul has a great year and we don't Wojo is going to start running out of all excuses (if he hasn't already).

This is real barstool numbers crunching. TAMU and Brew you will never be.
There are holes in your Pitcher.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 04, 2019, 11:25:54 PM
I mean people want to talk about trajectory.  Maybe it's time to seriously look at their trajectory.  Winning percentages:

1.  .290
2.  .281
3.  .528
4.  1.000 (obviously won't last but let's pretend that ends somewhere around .650)

Can we really say our program has done a better job rebuilding itself than even the lowly DePaul program?

I'm more than happy to let the year play out, but if DePaul has a great year and we don't Wojo is going to start running out of all excuses (if he hasn't already).

Don't go into analytics... of any kind
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: TAMU Garcia on December 04, 2019, 11:51:36 PM
Depaul is doing well this season and Coach Leitao seems to have them on the right track.

Marquette is a better program than DePaul by any measure.

Both of these statements are true.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 04, 2019, 11:54:55 PM
Well..... I might rather have the DePaul program right now.


You do realize it’s just the first week of December, right?
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 05, 2019, 12:02:01 AM
Yeah I'd love to have a program that's so bad the students rush the floor after a nonconference OT win over an unranked team. A program on its first 9 game win streak in nearly 30 years.

Go away.

You’re so full of it. Students don’t go to DePaul games.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 1SE on December 05, 2019, 01:17:22 AM
This is a silly topic but this is a BS fan message board - give the guy a break - at least he’s not talking about the Hausers.

IF DePaul ends up with a similar season result to MU this could be an interesting thread. But I would say that’s a pretty big IF.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 05, 2019, 04:34:22 AM
Well..... I might rather have the DePaul program right now.

Go root for them then. You won’t be missed.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Small Orange Soda on December 05, 2019, 06:24:39 AM
I'll take Marquette, no question.

OP's point isn't any more ridiculous than looking for parallels between Wojo and Coach K or Jay Wright though.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: tower912 on December 05, 2019, 06:48:20 AM
Congratulations to DePaul for their first 9 game winning streak in 30 years.   If they make it to 23-4 at some point, I will be even more impressed.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Cheeks on December 05, 2019, 07:18:31 AM
I'll take Marquette, no question.

OP's point isn't any more ridiculous than looking for parallels between Wojo and Coach K or Jay Wright though.

So actual comparisons of those coaches over their first 5 to 10 years, in some cases, is the same as looking at three weeks of results in a basketball season?

I beg to differ. 
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Small Orange Soda on December 05, 2019, 07:28:21 AM
So actual comparisons of those coaches over their first 5 to 10 years, in some cases, is the same as looking at three weeks of results in a basketball season?

I beg to differ.

Comparing results at Army and Hofstra to that of a major program like Marquette?  Yeah, it's ridiculous.  Once DePaul starts losing these comparisons will end, much like the Wright and Coach K comps have.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: #UnleashJayce on December 05, 2019, 08:02:44 AM
DePaul's potential success is completely irrelevant to judge MU's rebuild.

Hausergate bought Wojo a mulligan this year. And Garcia bought him two more (to see him as an upperclassman).

No, no it didn't.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 05, 2019, 08:19:31 AM
They still have a high major test against NW and a game at Buffalo. They certainly aren't in the clear of the Non Con yet.

I really am finding myself rooting for them. Hope they finish the non con undefeated and are this years sju
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Its DJOver on December 05, 2019, 08:22:31 AM
Really weird argument.  Are DePaul having a good non-conference and Marquette having a good non-conference mutually exclusive?  We seem to root for every other Beast team to do well in their non-conference and post season play.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Retire0 on December 05, 2019, 08:22:50 AM
rocky -

Is it possible to moderator change 5Dollar's avatar to this as punishment?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1161827894668271621/fSn_CP07_400x400.jpg)
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: SaveOD238 on December 05, 2019, 08:24:00 AM
RANK DEPAUL YOU COWARDS!
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: MU82 on December 05, 2019, 08:28:39 AM
Most folks think Earth is billions of years old.

Some think it's only thousands of years old, and that Jesus rode dinosaurs.

So hey ... it's at least questionable.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 05, 2019, 09:09:10 AM
Congratulations to DePaul for their first 9 game winning streak in 30 years.   If they make it to 23-4 at some point, I will be even more impressed.
Disingenuity again from the Wojoptismists painting last season as better than it was.  All DePaul has to do to match our finish from last year is go 15-10 in their last 25 including 1 BET win and an NCAAT appearance.  We'll see if they're capable.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 05, 2019, 09:21:15 AM
Wojoptismists
BloJos
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: skianth16 on December 05, 2019, 09:25:11 AM
Depaul is off to a better start than most anticipated. That win last night against Texas Tech is a solid win against a pretty darn good team. Once conference play gets going, I'm betting they'll surprise some teams. Hopefully Marquette is not one of those teams.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 05, 2019, 09:32:10 AM
BloJos

BloJos


Oh, man.  That’s hilarious!
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: UWW2MU on December 05, 2019, 09:36:48 AM
Disingenuity again from the Wojoptismists painting last season as better than it was.  All DePaul has to do to match our finish from last year is go 15-10 in their last 25 including 1 BET win and an NCAAT appearance.  We'll see if they're capable.


Your takes are terrible and your posts suck anything enjoyable out of being an MU fan.  You're clearly a troll or you're just a very angry person who's inability to enjoy the good causes the bad to overwhelm your perception.

That being said, the introduction of "Wojoptimist" as a word to my vocabulary nearly makes it worth it.  I love that name.  Consider me a Wojoptimist.

Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 05, 2019, 09:37:36 AM
Disingenuity again from the Wojoptismists painting last season as better than it was.  All DePaul has to do to match our finish from last year is go 15-10 in their last 25 including 1 BET win and an NCAAT appearance.  We'll see if they're capable.

That's true to match last year. But they'd need 4 years of relatively sustained success (not by our standards but the standards of what most the D1 programs would ask for) with consistent victories over tournament teams to match the trend. Your assumption that DePaul's trend is better because they're undefeated so far is like all the ADs that hire the next big mid major coach every year. We've seen that blow up for times than not.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 05, 2019, 09:38:14 AM

Your takes are terrible and your posts suck anything enjoyable out of being an MU fan.  You're clearly a troll or you're just a very angry person who's inability to enjoy the good causes the bad to overwhelm your perception.

That being said, the introduction of "Wojoptimist" as a word to my vocabulary nearly makes it worth it.  I love that name.  Consider me a Wojoptimist.

So he's Williewarrior?
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: nyg on December 05, 2019, 09:44:03 AM
The last time Depaul made it to the NCAA Tournament was 16 years ago, the prior being 20 years ago.  Their last trip to the NIT was 13 years ago. 

They are off to a great start and that is good for the Big East, but to crown them the jewel of the Big East is ludicrous.  Revisit in a few months. 
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: tower912 on December 05, 2019, 09:52:29 AM
Disingenuity again from the Wojoptismists painting last season as better than it was.  All DePaul has to do to match our finish from last year is go 15-10 in their last 25 including 1 BET win and an NCAAT appearance.  We'll see if they're capable.
Actually exactly the same.   You are using DePaul's first 9 game winning streak as an opportunity to tear down Wojo.  While simultaneously belittling a 23-4 record by Wojo.  You, sir, are the hypocrite.

Yes, last year ended poorly for Marquette..  But, if this season ends poorly for DePaul, are you going to come back and apologize for starting this dumbass thread?
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Its DJOver on December 05, 2019, 09:53:47 AM
Actually exactly the same.   You are using DePaul's first 9 game winning streak as an opportunity to tear down Wojo.  While simultaneously belittling a 23-4 record by Wojo.  You, sir, are the hypocrite.

Yes, last year ended poorly for Marquette..  But, if this season ends poorly for DePaul, are you going to come back and apologize for starting this dumbass thread?

Not unless you remind him.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59228.msg1167642#msg1167642
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 05, 2019, 09:56:14 AM
Not unless you remind him.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59228.msg1167642#msg1167642

So he's prone to overreacting and often wrong but still wants to be taken seriously? Jeeze he could be any number of posters here
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 05, 2019, 10:10:06 AM
Actually exactly the same.   You are using DePaul's first 9 game winning streak as an opportunity to tear down Wojo.  While simultaneously belittling a 23-4 record by Wojo.  You, sir, are the hypocrite.

Yes, last year ended poorly for Marquette..  But, if this season ends poorly for DePaul, are you going to come back and apologize for starting this dumbass thread?
I'm not tearing down Wojo per se.  I'm merely raising questions about the inconsistencies in arguments that oppose my own opinion.  Granted - I'm not perfect either which isn't what I'm arguing.

I've been told before that we should keep Wojo despite the lack of NCAAT wins, conference titles, BET wins, etc. because teams that change coaches too quickly become the DePaul program.  All I'm getting at with this thread is that, from the looks of it, DePaul might have figured something out.

I fully acknowledge the possibility that the season may go on and MU tears through the BE while DePaul slumps.  Then all the Projo Wojoptimists come in here and gloat and rub my nose in it and call me names and all the rest.  But if the opposite happens, I'm sure we'll be redirected.

Again, this is a message board designed to foster discussion (arguments?) amongst people with differences of opinion about the state of the program, expectations, wins, losses, coaches, and players.  The amount of people that pile into this thread crying foul because of this is absurd. 

Within this thread, I've done nothing more than raise questions.  Valid or not is each poster's own opinion.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 05, 2019, 10:16:24 AM
Within this thread, I've done nothing more than raise questions.  Valid or not is each poster's own opinion.

Actually, your ridiculous obsession is approaching ners level antics. And yes, that's kinda a warning.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 05, 2019, 10:24:13 AM
Actually, your ridiculous obsession is approaching ners level antics. And yes, that's kinda a warning.
Alright.  You win.  I'll stand down.  Ban me if need-be.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 05, 2019, 10:26:04 AM
I'm not tearing down Wojo per se.  I'm merely raising questions about the inconsistencies in arguments that oppose my own opinion.  Granted - I'm not perfect either which isn't what I'm arguing.

I've been told before that we should keep Wojo despite the lack of NCAAT wins, conference titles, BET wins, etc. because teams that change coaches too quickly become the DePaul program.  All I'm getting at with this thread is that, from the looks of it, DePaul might have figured something out.

I fully acknowledge the possibility that the season may go on and MU tears through the BE while DePaul slumps.  Then all the Projo Wojoptimists come in here and gloat and rub my nose in it and call me names and all the rest.  But if the opposite happens, I'm sure we'll be redirected.

Again, this is a message board designed to foster discussion (arguments?) amongst people with differences of opinion about the state of the program, expectations, wins, losses, coaches, and players.  The amount of people that pile into this thread crying foul because of this is absurd. 

Within this thread, I've done nothing more than raise questions.  Valid or not is each poster's own opinion.

You realize you inadvertently just argued for Wojo to stay because he hasn't won any titles, tournament wins, etc because DL didn't with Depaul and they stuck with him.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Eldon on December 05, 2019, 10:29:18 AM
No, no it didn't.

Yes, dude, trust me.

I'm almost tempted to say that Wojo orchestrated Hausergate to buy himself more time.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Jockey on December 05, 2019, 10:32:38 AM
Depaul is off to a better start than most anticipated. That win last night against Texas Tech is a solid win against a pretty darn good team. Once conference play gets going, I'm betting they'll surprise some teams. Hopefully Marquette is not one of those teams.


Nope. Texas Tech is not a pretty darn good team. In fact, they are a pretty darn bad team.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: WithoutBias on December 05, 2019, 10:35:28 AM
Actually, your ridiculous obsession is approaching ners level antics. And yes, that's kinda a warning.

Yet ners is back on his (at least) third name after his first two were permabanned and didn't even bother wasting any time pretending he could do anything other than bring up the same old (laughable) arguments.

Yes, dude, trust me.

I'm almost tempted to say that Wojo orchestrated Hausergate to buy himself more time.

Speaking of laughable...
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 05, 2019, 10:53:20 AM
I'm almost tempted to say that Wojo orchestrated Hausergate to buy himself more time.
Next thing you know he’ll be sporting a tank top and jogging with Lovell.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 05, 2019, 10:55:15 AM
Yes, dude, trust me.

I'm almost tempted to say that Wojo orchestrated Hausergate to buy himself more time.

I can't tell what's serious and what's parody anymore. I guess that's a sign of good satire
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on December 05, 2019, 11:03:15 AM
A Marquette/DePaul rivalry would be a lot of fun. The only reason it doesn’t exist is that DePaul has been terrible. Here’s hoping the trajectory continues and we get some really fun games.
Trading for their program at this point in time is nonsense. How in the world does that thought go from brain to mouth.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 05, 2019, 11:07:12 AM
Isn't Depaul banned for the postseason anyways?
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: #UnleashJayce on December 05, 2019, 11:34:00 AM
Next thing you know he’ll be sporting a tank top and jogging with Lovell.

#dumbanddangerous
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: skianth16 on December 05, 2019, 11:38:56 AM
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Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: onepostdavis on December 05, 2019, 11:41:19 AM
Yes, dude, trust me.

I'm almost tempted to say that Wojo orchestrated Hausergate to buy himself more time.

Holy crap
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: skianth16 on December 05, 2019, 11:42:49 AM
A Marquette/DePaul rivalry would be a lot of fun. The only reason it doesn’t exist is that DePaul has been terrible. Here’s hoping the trajectory continues and we get some really fun games.
Trading for their program at this point in time is nonsense. How in the world does that thought go from brain to mouth.

I'd love to see this matchup grow to the rivalry that the Cubs and Brewers rivalry has become. 10-15 years ago the Cubs vs Brewers games weren't all that contentious because neither team really had much going for them. But now, with both teams regularly making/contending for the playoffs, these series are way more fun. If DePaul can get their act together so the games become meaningful and their fans actually outnumber MU fans when we play in Chicago, this could be a fun matchup.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 05, 2019, 12:12:46 PM
Booooo. Defending an opinion in a single thread is a problem now? You're better than this.

No. Clearly I'm not.

Several things bug me about this thread, and 5$'s insistence on twisting and turning in his replies
1) It was posted immediately after a win
2) The title "Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?" ... I don't think anyone asked that. And I don't think any reasonable person would trade the programs now
3) 5$ registered a couple years ago to complain about wojo. I don't remember him ever discussing hoops, or posting anything other than complaints. I'm probably wrong, but still a majority of his posts are just complaints.
4) Marquette >>>>> DePaul this year, and historically.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 05, 2019, 12:38:17 PM
No. Clearly I'm not.

Several things bug me about this thread, and 5$'s insistence on twisting and turning in his replies
1) It was posted immediately after a win
2) The title "Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?" ... I don't think anyone asked that. And I don't think any reasonable person would trade the programs now
3) 5$ registered a couple years ago to complain about wojo. I don't remember him ever discussing hoops, or posting anything other than complaints. I'm probably wrong, but still a majority of his posts are just complaints.
4) Marquette >>>>> DePaul this year, and historically.
I dropped out of the thread, but you didn't have to go and pile on for no reason.  I've been called idiot, stupid, dullard, and troll in this thread without a single name hurled the other way besides "Wojoptimist" (and if you consider that an insult then you're on the wrong side of this thread).  Yet I'm the one being threatened with the banhammer.

1.  Why does this even matter?  We played Jacksonville?  Most posters on both sides were paying more attention to DePaul by the near end of that game anyway - by their own admission.
2.  "If MU was stupid enough to fire Wojo this offseason, the next few years of MU basketball would be somewhere between Pitt and Depaul." - just one of many allusions to this topic that pop up if you search "DePaul Wojo" in this forum.
3.  This is a fan message board.  I cheer as loud as anyone when I'm at the game which is the only place Wojo, Howard, and anyone else involved in the program can hear me.  Why can't I shout my opinion here?  If differences of opinion didn't exist, this would simply be an echo chamber.  I've talked about strategy and hoops too - go ahead and check my post history if you'd like.
4.  Sure.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 05, 2019, 12:45:12 PM
I dropped out of the thread, but you didn't have to go and pile on for no reason.  I've been called idiot, stupid, dullard, and troll in this thread without a single name hurled the other way besides "Wojoptimist" (and if you consider that an insult then you're on the wrong side of this thread).  Yet I'm the one being threatened with the banhammer.

1.  Why does this even matter?  We played Jacksonville?  Most posters on both sides were paying more attention to DePaul by the near end of that game anyway - by their own admission.
2.  "If MU was stupid enough to fire Wojo this offseason, the next few years of MU basketball would be somewhere between Pitt and Depaul." - just one of many allusions to this topic that pop up if you search "DePaul Wojo" in this forum.
3.  This is a fan message board.  I cheer as loud as anyone when I'm at the game which is the only place Wojo, Howard, and anyone else involved in the program can hear me.  Why can't I shout my opinion here?  If differences of opinion didn't exist, this would simply be an echo chamber.  I've talked about strategy and hoops too - go ahead and check my post history if you'd like.
4.  Sure.

Decided to check his your topic history but 10/15 topics you've started have been shots at Wojo. Another at Wojos old coach/mentor/boss which I think people could read between the lines.

Idk enough about your post history except the negative game thread comments but from topics alone I'd say Rocky's right.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: TallTitan34 on December 05, 2019, 12:48:17 PM
Which program had their coach suspended three games this seasob for "failing to promote an atmosphere of compliance" and "failing to prevent violations from occurring in his program"?
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 05, 2019, 12:55:06 PM
Decided to check his your topic history but 10/15 topics you've started have been shots at Wojo. Another at Wojos old coach/mentor/boss which I think people could read between the lines.

Idk enough about your post history except the negative game thread comments but from topics alone I'd say Rocky's right.
10/15 would mean 5/15 did not fall into that bucket.

Rocky specifically said:  "I don't remember him ever discussing hoops, or posting anything other than complaints".

So if that's the data as presented by you, Galway - he's not right.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: MUDPT on December 05, 2019, 01:00:16 PM
For what it’s worth, in WAB, DePaul is 5th and MU is 26th.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Its DJOver on December 05, 2019, 01:11:46 PM
Since we were invited to look through the post history, I took a quick peek.  A few highlights.

Is Sam high?

We built a mid-major

We are Depaul

Weird that you said that not "the Wojo defenders".

Miller huddle: “They’re doing a lot of rub screens so you need to fight thru that. Get to the 3 point line close out hard and cut through the lane on offense. Make sure we’re crisp in our sets and get rid of the ball when there’s a double team!!”


Wojo huddle: “WE’RE IN THE BONUS!!! We’Re iN tHe BoNuS! GO DOWNHILL CUZ THE BONUSSS!!”

Wojo is honestly an embarrassment to this program. Leave.

Fire Wojo. And before you ask - no I don’t post in the off-season.

You know your offense is good when you're living on Theo John back to the basket and Sam Hauser Dirk-fades

And in case anyone was wondering if his "intelligence" is just limited to MU, we have

Cooley has got to be a Top 3 coach in the BEAST

That 5-4 record with losses to Northwestern, Penn, Long Beach State, and Charleston, with 5 Seniors is looking real solid right now.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 05, 2019, 01:20:37 PM
Since we were invited to look through the post history, I took a quick peek.  A few highlights.

Weird that you said that not "the Wojo defenders".

And in case anyone was wondering if his "intelligence" is just limited to MU, we have

That 5-4 record with losses to Northwestern, Penn, Long Beach State, and Charleston, with 5 Seniors is looking real solid right now.
I'm not ashamed of these posts.  Maybe the Sam joke, but if you further looked at my posts you'd know he was one of my favorite players (not his brother).

At the time I posted the Cooley comment he was doing more with less.  Regardless of what's happening there during this young season, he has more to his resume than our coach does.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Its DJOver on December 05, 2019, 01:25:07 PM
He's also been a head coach nearly three times as long and has his team trending in the opposite direction.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 05, 2019, 01:26:26 PM
He's also been a head coach nearly three times as long and has his team trending in the opposite direction.
Now we're back to trajectory... Because it's convenient.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Its DJOver on December 05, 2019, 01:31:16 PM
Now we're back to trajectory... Because it's convenient.

Fine, look at first 5 years as a HC.  1 CIT, 1 NIT vs 2 NCAA, 1 NIT.  Look at best finish in the Conference, 10-8 T3, vs 12-6 2nd.  If Cooley had the exact same results at MU that he has had at PC, you, and many others here would be calling for his head.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: brewcity77 on December 05, 2019, 01:33:19 PM
At the time I posted the Cooley comment he was doing more with less.  Regardless of what's happening there during this young season, he has more to his resume than our coach does.

I mean...at the time you posted his team was 17 spots behind ours in kenpom and lost to the same Villanova team we lost to in the BET. The only reason they went to the NCAAs was because of the RPI. Had the NET been going then, we would've got in ahead of them.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 05, 2019, 01:39:53 PM
Fine, look at first 5 years as a HC.  1 CIT, 1 NIT vs 2 NCAA, 1 NIT.  Look at best finish in the Conference, 10-8 T3, vs 12-6 2nd.  If Cooley had the exact same results at MU that he has had at PC, you, and many others here would be calling for his head.
He has multiple NCAA wins, took Villanova to the wire in the Championship of the BET the year they won the whole thing, won a BE conference tournament, and had 5 consecutive years with 10+ conference wins and a year with 11 conference wins (compared to our one 10-8 and one 12-6).

Let's include all the facts.

I admit - his trajectory is currently pointing down.  But as you say, he's been a head coach for a little while longer.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Its DJOver on December 05, 2019, 01:46:03 PM
He has multiple NCAA wins, took Villanova to the wire in the Championship of the BET the year they won the whole thing, won a BE conference tournament, and had 5 consecutive years with 10+ conference wins and a year with 11 conference wins (compared to our one 10-8 and one 12-6).

Let's include all the facts.

I admit - his trajectory is currently pointing down.  But as you say, he's been a head coach for a little while longer.

This is not a fact.  He has one.  He is 1-5.  He has also been a head coach for 13 full seasons, I would hope he has more wins than someone who has been a head coach for 5.  Let's include all the facts.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 05, 2019, 01:47:16 PM
He has multiple NCAA wins, took Villanova to the wire in the Championship of the BET the year they won the whole thing, won a BE conference tournament, and had 5 consecutive years with 10+ conference wins and a year with 11 conference wins (compared to our one 10-8 and one 12-6).

Let's include all the facts.

I admit - his trajectory is currently pointing down.  But as you say, he's been a head coach for a little while longer.

He has 1 ncaa win. People complain about Wojo at 0 for 2 but you're ok with 1 for 5? He's also finished no higher than 3rd in the BE unlike a certain coach I can think of
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: manesworld on December 05, 2019, 01:55:49 PM
We get it.  You'd rather be Providence and DePaul than you'd be Marquette under Wojo.  It makes absolutely 0 sense, but that isn't surprising.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 05, 2019, 07:07:03 PM
I'd love to see this matchup grow to the rivalry that the Cubs and Brewers rivalry has become. 10-15 years ago the Cubs vs Brewers games weren't all that contentious because neither team really had much going for them.
Did the Cubs ever play the Brewers before 15 years ago?
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Elonsmusk on December 06, 2019, 08:56:11 AM
Yet ners is back on his (at least) third name after his first two were permabanned and didn't even bother wasting any time pretending he could do anything other than bring up the same old (laughable) arguments.


What Scoop needs is more super fans like you Without Bias!  Please continue to regal all of us with your intuitions like this (laughable) gem:

And Dawson looks much more interested in his phone than in anything else. Yikes. Didn’t announce his visit like he did the others on Twitter just retweeted something from his high school.

Not feeling good right now.

The biggest thing Dawson seems to like about Indiana is all the attention their fan base has given him.  He shares all the stories IU fans post on Instagram about him being at IU (and does the same for the other schools like Memphis and Minnesota, it just happens less from those fans), shares Tweets from other fan bases, etc.  Let's show this kid some love.  To me this is the biggest swing recruit in the Wojo era.  If we land him I think this program can take off.  If we don't I think we stay at the level we've been seeing the last few years.  If we land Garcia I think we'll have a real shot at Brown for 2021 and Mane for 2020.  And if we land those two look out.

Not saying be a creep and try to hunt him out based on where he's Tweeting from, but I'm guessing he'll share some Instagram pictures in a Marquette uniform (he's done so with the other 3 finalists).  Put those in your stories and let him know he's wanted here.  He seems to genuinely enjoy that kind of love and hopefully Marquette fans can make an impression on him this weekend.

Yea for you buddy!  All scoopers should show you some love for waging the social media campaign that secured Dawson's commitment.  Laughable.  Your other posts are mostly just snark indicative of a guy with esteem issues.  But carry on "warrior."

Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: manesworld on December 06, 2019, 08:57:25 AM

What Scoop needs is more super fans like you Without Bias!  Please continue to regal all of us with your intuitions like this (laughable) gem:

Yea for you buddy!  All scoopers should show you some love for waging the social media campaign that secured Dawson's commitment.  Laughable.  Your other posts are mostly just snark indicative of a guy with esteem issues.  But carry on "warrior."

Oh the irony.

Any dunks on notable athletes lately, Ners?
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: skianth16 on December 06, 2019, 10:21:14 AM
Did the Cubs ever play the Brewers before 15 years ago?

I'm pretty sure they've both been in the NL Central since the mid to late 90s

Edit: since I do have access to the good ol internet... The Brewers have been in the NL Central ever since the switch from the AL to the NL in '98. And the Cubs have been in the NL Central since '94.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Elonsmusk on December 06, 2019, 10:30:03 AM
Oh the irony.

Any dunks on notable athletes lately, Ners?

No, thanks for asking.  I can't do it anymore buddy.  45 now so I've taken up volleyball.  I've found elevating for spikes over that 7' net to be as effortless as it was to elevate over the 10' hoop until the 40s. 

How's your bump and set game?  I've yet to master those skills.  Any tips?
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: manesworld on December 06, 2019, 10:43:58 AM
No, thanks for asking.  I can't do it anymore buddy.  45 now so I've taken up volleyball.  I've found elevating for spikes over that 7' net to be as effortless as it was to elevate over the 10' hoop until the 40s. 

How's your bump and set game?  I've yet to master those skills.  Any tips?

7' nets?  Sheesh, can I get in on this league?  I'd feel really good about myself playing on nets that are shorter than some of the people who play the sport are!

My biggest piece of advice, and it applies to all sports and I feel like you're a guy who probably doesn't see it this way and is all about the flash and extra, unnecessary movements to look cool, is simple > complex.  Always.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Elonsmusk on December 06, 2019, 10:55:06 AM
7' nets?  Sheesh, can I get in on this league?  I'd feel really good about myself playing on nets that are shorter than some of the people who play the sport are!

My biggest piece of advice, and it applies to all sports and I feel like you're a guy who probably doesn't see it this way and is all about the flash and extra, unnecessary movements to look cool, is simple > complex.  Always.

Solid advice.  I've found setting the ball isn't too difficult, but passing/bumping - seemingly so simple, challenges me.  #truth

My bad on the net height.  It just feels about like 7', but just looked up height and realize it is basically 8'.   8-)
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Cheeks on December 06, 2019, 08:41:44 PM
Solid advice.  I've found setting the ball isn't too difficult, but passing/bumping - seemingly so simple, challenges me.  #truth

My bad on the net height.  It just feels about like 7', but just looked up height and realize it is basically 8'.   8-)

Or you are playing on the women's layout which is less than 7'5".
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: panda on December 06, 2019, 08:44:19 PM
Or you are playing on the women's layout which is less than 7'5".

You’ve failed already. It was a good five minutes though congratulations.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Cheeks on December 06, 2019, 11:15:42 PM
You’ve failed already. It was a good five minutes though congratulations.

You want to go back and read that thread request?  Thanks
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Johnny B on December 06, 2019, 11:27:51 PM
Wish we could have traded programs with UWM . They made the tourney a few years ago. Good thread
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: panda on December 07, 2019, 11:21:58 AM
You want to go back and read that thread request?  Thanks

Unless Wojo coaches the DePaul volleyball team also, I believe you’re violating what you supposedly teach. Chicos, Chicos Chicos. You’ve disappointed me little boy…
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: MU82 on December 09, 2019, 07:29:43 AM
Remember when Marquette scored 103 points to blow out 14th-ranked Buffalo behind 45 points from Markus Howard last December?

Well, DePaul -- you know, the great program that some alleged Marquette "fans" would rather have -- just lost at home to a much-lesser-regarded Buffalo team.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: TheREALwrk on December 09, 2019, 07:32:09 AM
Remember when Marquette scored 103 points to blow out 14th-ranked Buffalo behind 45 points from Markus Howard last December?

Well, DePaul -- you know, the great program that some alleged Marquette "fans" would rather have -- just lost at home to a much-lesser-regarded Buffalo team.

Sub-100 kenpom loss at home is no Bueno.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: tower912 on December 09, 2019, 08:25:20 AM
Remember when Marquette scored 103 points to blow out 14th-ranked Buffalo behind 45 points from Markus Howard last December?

Well, DePaul -- you know, the great program that some alleged Marquette "fans" would rather have -- just lost at home to a much-lesser-regarded Buffalo team.
Shhhh.  Don't ruin the narrative.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 09, 2019, 01:42:49 PM

For all those that got their panties in a wad because Depaul had more "receiving votes" than MU last week ... this week MU has more "receiving votes" than Depaul (11 to 1!)

Hey Five Guys ... does this mean our long-term outlook now makes us a better program, and Wojo a better coach, again?
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 09, 2019, 02:48:26 PM
This reminds me of a lower rent version of when Loyola made their Cinderella run a few years ago and people were jealous of the program, saying things like they'd rather have Porter Moser than Wojo, wondering if they belong in the Big East, etc.

Turns out it was just a fart in the wind. At least they actually made the final four though, DePaul just has a early December kenpom rating in the 60's and beat some mediocre non-con teams. Pathetic!
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Cheeks on December 09, 2019, 05:25:29 PM
This reminds me of a lower rent version of when Loyola made their Cinderella run a few years ago and people were jealous of the program, saying things like they'd rather have Porter Moser than Wojo, wondering if they belong in the Big East, etc.

Turns out it was just a fart in the wind. At least they actually made the final four though, DePaul just has a early December kenpom rating in the 60's and beat some mediocre non-con teams. Pathetic!

Loyola had one of the easiest runs to a Final Four in history. 

DePaul looks much improved this year.  Two Big Ten wins on the road, Texas Tech at home...not bad.  They certainly haven’t played murderer’s row, but not bad.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Pakuni on December 09, 2019, 05:36:40 PM
Loyola had one of the easiest runs to a Final Four in history. 

They only make the easy Final Four runs?
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: auburnmarquette on December 09, 2019, 07:20:33 PM
Well..... I might rather have the DePaul program right now.
More vivid memories is detractors saying MUs poor defense showed wojo couldn't coach, but now that defense is elite 30th in Ken pom that attack has to be abandoned.

Guess when your argument is that you'd rather have the 61st best team in kenpom rather than our current 23rd ranked team you are grasping.

However, I am happy for DePaul and the whole big east - the stronger the conference is the stronger MU can be long term.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 4everDawson on December 09, 2019, 08:37:49 PM
This thread would have been left to 5DollarPitcher and Elonsmusk alone
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 09, 2019, 08:43:27 PM
More vivid memories is detractors saying MUs poor defense showed wojo couldn't coach, but now that defense is elite 30th in Ken pom that attack has to be abandoned.

Guess when your argument is that you'd rather have the 61st best team in kenpom rather than our current 23rd ranked team you are grasping.

However, I am happy for DePaul and the whole big east - the stronger the conference is the stronger MU can be long term.

Wojo's defense was the third worst among majors. It was the worst in Marquette's statistical history. He and his staff spent an off-season and summer rebuilding and teaching the defense.

Wojo didn't disagree with detractors like myself by rebuilding his defense from the inside out with schemes and personnel. MU's two point defense was 19th in the country last year versus 304th the year before.

MU is winning games with defense now.  And yes, I gave him many kudos last year for improving as I did for critiquing. To compare the defensive knocks to this DePaul delusion is recreating history, especially when Wojo agreed.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: MU82 on December 09, 2019, 09:00:05 PM
Wojo's defense was the third worst among majors. It was the worst in Marquette's statistical history. He and his staff spent an off-season and summer rebuilding and teaching the defense.

Wojo didn't disagree with detractors like myself by rebuilding his defense from the inside out with schemes and personnel. MU's two point defense was 19th in the country last year versus 304th the year before.

MU is winning games with defense now.  And yes, I gave him many kudos last year for improving as I did for critiquing. To compare the defensive knocks to this DePaul delusion is recreating history, especially when Wojo agreed.

Very reasonable, Doc.

EFR's Loyola comparison is a better one.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: tower912 on December 09, 2019, 09:12:12 PM
The defense was bad because of two sun 6 foot guards, one of whom didn't want to play defense.  And a small, poorly balanced roster.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 09, 2019, 09:17:34 PM
The defense was bad because of two sun 6 foot guards, one of whom didn't want to play defense.  And a small, poorly balanced roster.

And Wojo spent the summer teaching a new scheme.  His words.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: BallBoy on December 09, 2019, 10:18:37 PM
And Wojo spent the summer teaching a new scheme.  His words.

I think one thing Wojo has shown to do well is change his approach based on the team he has in front of him.  In that year, he had an highly productive offense and knew his defense wasn't going to win games so his focus was score, score and score.  Later he built a more rounded team so his defense improved because he focused on it and he had a team to support it. 

This year he has a strong defensive team because of the is more athletic and longer than previous years.  If his offense comes along, we could be in good shape.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: BallBoy on February 01, 2020, 05:54:01 PM
Anyone know where I can find a 5DollarPitcher to celebrate DePaul’s Marquette’s win and better season today.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: tower912 on February 01, 2020, 06:31:27 PM
Who cares.   Let him stew
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: MU82 on February 01, 2020, 06:44:04 PM
Just another pretend MU "fan" rooting for the team to lose. Most of us choose to do the crazy thing: celebrate each victory.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 03, 2020, 11:49:44 PM
Just another pretend MU "fan" rooting for the team to lose. Most of us choose to do the crazy thing: celebrate each victory.
Rooting for the team to lose? We snuck by ‘woeful’ DePaul on our home floor as huge favorites. Congrats on your eternally holier than thou fandom. Be sure to take a picture at the “Beat DePaul by single digits 2020” banner hanging ceremony. Had the script been flipped and DePaul made a 3 when they had the final possession you would be nowhere to be found. Good win MU - our coach still sucks until proven otherwise.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: manesworld on February 03, 2020, 11:55:06 PM
Rooting for the team to lose? We snuck by ‘woeful’ DePaul on our home floor as huge favorites. Congrats on your eternally holier than thou fandom. Be sure to take a picture at the “Beat DePaul by single digits 2020” banner hanging ceremony. Had the script been flipped and DePaul made a 3 when they had the final possession you would be nowhere to be found. Good win MU - our coach still sucks until proven otherwise.

It’s been proven otherwise.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: tower912 on February 04, 2020, 05:52:47 AM
This year must be painful for you so far.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Johnny B on February 04, 2020, 06:10:53 AM
This year must be painful for you so far.

It Is for me. I will not accept the mediocrity!!!!
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: TSmith34 on February 04, 2020, 06:46:02 AM
Hmmmm, how do you define mediocrity? MU is currently just outside the top 25, which puts them around the 92nd percentile.  Of course we all want MU to be a perennial top 20 team, but if only 7-8% of D1 teams are ranked higher is that really mediocrity?
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 04, 2020, 06:48:24 AM
Rooting for the team to lose? We snuck by ‘woeful’ DePaul on our home floor as huge favorites. Congrats on your eternally holier than thou fandom. Be sure to take a picture at the “Beat DePaul by single digits 2020” banner hanging ceremony. Had the script been flipped and DePaul made a 3 when they had the final possession you would be nowhere to be found. Good win MU - our coach still sucks until proven otherwise.

We won by 4, spread was 7.

Hardly "huge" favorites.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: MarquetteDano on February 04, 2020, 07:00:45 AM
Rooting for the team to lose? We snuck by ‘woeful’ DePaul on our home floor as huge favorites. Congrats on your eternally holier than thou fandom. Be sure to take a picture at the “Beat DePaul by single digits 2020” banner hanging ceremony. Had the script been flipped and DePaul made a 3 when they had the final possession you would be nowhere to be found. Good win MU - our coach still sucks until proven otherwise.

"Our coach". Ha. Dishonesty at its highest.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on February 04, 2020, 08:19:51 AM
Hmmmm, how do you define mediocrity? MU is currently just outside the top 25, which puts them around the 92nd percentile.  Of course we all want MU to be a perennial top 20 team, but if only 7-8% of D1 teams are ranked higher is that really mediocrity?

Point taken, but I wouldn't say the entirety of college basketball is our competition. It's ~80-90 teams (P6 conferences + about 10ish mid-majors).
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: MU82 on February 04, 2020, 08:46:49 AM
Rooting for the team to lose? We snuck by ‘woeful’ DePaul on our home floor as huge favorites. Congrats on your eternally holier than thou fandom. Be sure to take a picture at the “Beat DePaul by single digits 2020” banner hanging ceremony. Had the script been flipped and DePaul made a 3 when they had the final possession you would be nowhere to be found. Good win MU - our coach still sucks until proven otherwise.

Be sure to take a picture at your "DePaul's Program Has Surpassed Marquette's banner."

And you might want to actually try watching college basketball for a few days to see how many very good, highly ranked teams fail to sneak past underdogs these days. The same day we got a victory you don't think matters, Nova lost at home to Creighton, Hall lost at home to X and Butler lost at home to Providence. I bet Nova, Hall and Butler fans would have been happy to have snuck past their opponents.

Any win is a good win, especially in the Big East. Open your effen eyes.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: lurch91 on February 04, 2020, 09:18:44 AM
Rooting for the team to lose? We snuck by ‘woeful’ DePaul on our home floor as huge favorites. Congrats on your eternally holier than thou fandom. Be sure to take a picture at the “Beat DePaul by single digits 2020” banner hanging ceremony. Had the script been flipped and DePaul made a 3 when they had the final possession you would be nowhere to be found. Good win MU - our coach still sucks until proven otherwise.

In a week you're going to be the only one bringing up the margin of victory of the DePaul win..... which you think is some indication of how much better the DePual program is, which is the team we beat.....

Only on Scoop.... do you remember the score of the UWGB victory over MU? Have you counted the times  any other coach "barely" beat teams we were favored over?  Or is this all just because of Wojo? Like other posters, admit you have no rational reason to dislike/hate him, but you do and more on.  You'll probably feel better about yourself when you do.  Fabricating insignificant arguements has to be so tiring.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 04, 2020, 11:14:08 PM
The Projos are out in full force after a decidedly “i told you so” 16-6 start and a solid home in “others receiving votes”. Bet it feels great to be totally validated.

Oh wait - we still haven’t won a tournament game, won the Big East, won a Big East tourney, or ended a season ranked (besides possibly (??) last year which was wholly undeserved after our meltdown)..

Is this it?? Is this the “I told you so” endgame for the Projos? If so.... we really have accepted mediocrity. Unfortunate. Pile it on if you must, though.

I’ll see you all at the FF Sunday.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 04, 2020, 11:15:31 PM
It’s been proven otherwise.
Ummmmmm......... by what exactly?
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: BM1090 on February 04, 2020, 11:17:18 PM
The Projos are out in full force after a decidedly “i told you so” 16-6 start and a solid home in “others receiving votes”. Bet it feels great to be totally validated.

Oh wait - we still haven’t won a tournament game, won the Big East, won a Big East tourney, or ended a season ranked (besides possibly (??) last year which was wholly undeserved after our meltdown)..

Is this it?? Is this the “I told you so” endgame for the Projos? If so.... we really have accepted mediocrity. Unfortunate. Pile it on if you must, though.

I’ll see you all at the FF Sunday.

Stay home if you're one of the morons booing.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on February 04, 2020, 11:47:07 PM
The Projos are out in full force after a decidedly “i told you so” 16-6 start and a solid home in “others receiving votes”. Bet it feels great to be totally validated.

Oh wait - we still haven’t won a tournament game, won the Big East, won a Big East tourney, or ended a season ranked (besides possibly (??) last year which was wholly undeserved after our meltdown)..

Is this it?? Is this the “I told you so” endgame for the Projos? If so.... we really have accepted mediocrity. Unfortunate. Pile it on if you must, though.

I’ll see you all at the FF Sunday.

Hope not.

I want to enjoy the game.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: tower912 on February 05, 2020, 03:07:26 AM
The Projos are out in full force after a decidedly “i told you so” 16-6 start and a solid home in “others receiving votes”. Bet it feels great to be totally validated.

Oh wait - we still haven’t won a tournament game, won the Big East, won a Big East tourney, or ended a season ranked (besides possibly (??) last year which was wholly undeserved after our meltdown)..

Is this it?? Is this the “I told you so” endgame for the Projos? If so.... we really have accepted mediocrity. Unfortunate. Pile it on if you must, though.

I’ll see you all at the FF Sunday.
Marquette=tournament team
DePaul= Non-tournament team.
Marquette>>>>>DePaul.

And considering the angst on this board last April...
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: 1SE on February 05, 2020, 03:52:36 AM
Listen - as a Sosojo I'm fine with where we are at this point in the season. A bit frustrated because we were so close to being in a really good position, but there you are.

That said, I'm completely with $5 in that we haven't accomplished anything yet. I was pretty happy with where we were as of February 23rd last year.... and despite all the "we won 20+, made the NCAA and finished 2nd in BE" projo talk, the results last year was a disaster given where we were on February 23rd.

Still lots of work to do this year and the final evaluation is made in March. We're still on track to something trending positive, but it hasn't happened yet. Let's start by getting the W Saturday.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: manesworld on February 05, 2020, 06:38:44 AM
Fine, you guys are right. We should be wishing we were DePaul.

Talk about a goalpost shift...
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Jables1604 on February 05, 2020, 06:57:26 AM
Listen - as a Sosojo I'm fine with where we are at this point in the season. A bit frustrated because we were so close to being in a really good position, but there you are.

That said, I'm completely with $5 in that we haven't accomplished anything yet. I was pretty happy with where we were as of February 23rd last year.... and despite all the "we won 20+, made the NCAA and finished 2nd in BE" projo talk, the results last year was a disaster given where we were on February 23rd.

Still lots of work to do this year and the final evaluation is made in March. We're still on track to something trending positive, but it hasn't happened yet. Let's start by getting the W Saturday.
I’m not sure anyone is saying if the season ended today it would be considered a success.

Here’s the problem. When you go out on a limb in early December and make a bold statement like you’d rather be DePaul’s program this year one of two things is going to happen. You’re either going to look like a genius or an idiot.

If you end up looking like a genius you have every right to stick out your chest and tell everyone “I told you so.” If you end up looking like an idiot you’re supposed to own it and admit you were wrong.

You don’t get to change the criteria and claim that we haven’t done anything this year. Relative to your original opinion of DePaul being better than Marquette this year we absolutely have.

Instead, by doubling down and moving the goal post you look like someone who can’t admit that you were wrong. Have some intellectual honesty and take the loss. Live to fight another day.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: TheREALwrk on February 05, 2020, 07:02:43 AM
The Projos are out in full force after a decidedly “i told you so” 16-6 start and a solid home in “others receiving votes”. Bet it feels great to be totally validated.

Oh wait - we still haven’t won a tournament game, won the Big East, won a Big East tourney, or ended a season ranked (besides possibly (??) last year which was wholly undeserved after our meltdown)..

Is this it?? Is this the “I told you so” endgame for the Projos? If so.... we really have accepted mediocrity. Unfortunate. Pile it on if you must, though.

I’ll see you all at the FF Sunday.
u

This is "I told you so" because you made a post saying you'd rather have the DePaul program.

Stop trying to move the Target, loser.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: lurch91 on February 05, 2020, 07:12:29 AM
The Projos are out in full force after a decidedly “i told you so” 16-6 start and a solid home in “others receiving votes”. Bet it feels great to be totally validated.

Oh wait - we still haven’t won a tournament game, won the Big East, won a Big East tourney, or ended a season ranked (besides possibly (??) last year which was wholly undeserved after our meltdown)..

Is this it?? Is this the “I told you so” endgame for the Projos? If so.... we really have accepted mediocrity. Unfortunate. Pile it on if you must, though.

I’ll see you all at the FF Sunday.

Neither has DePaul....
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: BallBoy on February 05, 2020, 07:51:05 AM
The Projos are out in full force after a decidedly “i told you so” 16-6 start and a solid home in “others receiving votes”. Bet it feels great to be totally validated.

Oh wait - we still haven’t won a tournament game, won the Big East, won a Big East tourney, or ended a season ranked (besides possibly (??) last year which was wholly undeserved after our meltdown)..

Is this it?? Is this the “I told you so” endgame for the Projos? If so.... we really have accepted mediocrity. Unfortunate. Pile it on if you must, though.

I’ll see you all at the FF Sunday.

Couple things:
1. Since joining Conf USA in 1995, MU has won the Conference Tournament one time. Neither Buzz nor Crean accomplished this feat.
2. MU won their regular season conference championship three times since 1994.
3.  We haven’t played in a tournament game since last year
4.  In his last 4 seasons, Buzz won a total of zero BET games. His only tournament victories. In his first 2 seasons Buzz won 4 and they were they non-bye games. Wojo has won 3 BET games.
5.  In 9 years, Crean won one tournament game outside of the final four run.

I don’t say this to diminish Buzz or Creans accomplishments but point out your standard for measuring success hasn’t been accomplished much as MU. 
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: burger on February 05, 2020, 08:08:14 AM
Listen ladies.....you are arguing unarguable BS.....What if this....What if that....

We figured the equation how "we can beat" DePaul in the second half......

Mix in some zone and stop Moore with Bailey......

We will outscore them at Wintrust.....

Not the greatest matchup.....But it is what it is.....

PS.....I think we can all agree we are not North Carolina this year........FIRE ROY!
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: warriorchick on February 05, 2020, 08:11:54 AM
Listen ladies.....you are arguing unarguable BS.....What if this....What if that....

We figured the equation how "we can beat" DePaul in the second half......

Mix in some zone and stop Moore with Bailey......

We will outscore them at Wintrust.....

Not the greatest matchup.....But it is what it is.....

PS.....I think we can all agree we are not North Carolina this year........FIRE ROY!

Is that supposed to be an insult of some kind, or are you specifically addressing this to the two women on this board?
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: MU82 on February 05, 2020, 09:19:05 AM
I’m not sure anyone is saying if the season ended today it would be considered a success.

Here’s the problem. When you go out on a limb in early December and make a bold statement like you’d rather be DePaul’s program this year one of two things is going to happen. You’re either going to look like a genius or an idiot.

If you end up looking like a genius you have every right to stick out your chest and tell everyone “I told you so.” If you end up looking like an idiot you’re supposed to own it and admit you were wrong.

You don’t get to change the criteria and claim that we haven’t done anything this year. Relative to your original opinion of DePaul being better than Marquette this year we absolutely have.

Instead, by doubling down and moving the goal post you look like someone who can’t admit that you were wrong. Have some intellectual honesty and take the loss. Live to fight another day.

Post of the week so far. Thanks for making it.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Warriors4ever on February 05, 2020, 02:34:04 PM
Dont forget to count me, warriorchick.
Reminds of the time at the Chicago coaches luncheon when Bob Dukiet literally decided to stop and explain the zone defense to ‘all you ladies’ in attendance.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: MU82 on February 05, 2020, 02:35:11 PM
Dont forget to count me, warriorchick.
Reminds of the time at the Chicago coaches luncheon when Bob Dukiet literally decided to stop and explain the zone defense to ‘all you ladies’ in attendance.

If only all you ladies had taught him how to coach basketball and recruit.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: warriorchick on February 05, 2020, 03:17:43 PM
Dont forget to count me, warriorchick.
Reminds of the time at the Chicago coaches luncheon when Bob Dukiet literally decided to stop and explain the zone defense to ‘all you ladies’ in attendance.

Sorry W4ever.  I guess you haven't referenced your gender often enough for me to notice.   :D
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Warriors4ever on February 05, 2020, 04:03:52 PM
I don’t post that often. More of a lurker.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 05, 2020, 08:32:50 PM
I mean, you might call BS, but our stats page shows a 4.4:1 male to female ratio.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=stats

Of course, that's only showing those that have chosen a "non-blank" answer.  Presumably we have LOT of gender neutral folks registered.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 05, 2020, 08:55:14 PM
I mean, you might call BS, but our stats page shows a 4.4:1 male to female ratio.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=stats

Of course, that's only showing those that have chosen a "non-blank" answer.  Presumably we have LOT of gender neutral folks registered.

Oh sure, our stats show a 4.4:1 MFR, but what about the advanced stats? What is our eMFR?

#MFRnomatta
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: warriorchick on February 05, 2020, 08:58:49 PM
I mean, you might call BS, but our stats page shows a 4.4:1 male to female ratio.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=stats

Of course, that's only showing those that have chosen a "non-blank" answer.  Presumably we have LOT of gender neutral folks registered.

I am not sure this stat is particularly significant.  A woman who registers and logs on once counts the same as Chicos or 4never. 

How many women vs men have All-American status?

Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 05, 2020, 09:06:45 PM
I am not sure this stat is particularly significant.  A woman who registers and logs on once counts the same as Chicos or 4never. 

How many women vs men have All-American status?

Of the hundreds of members that have identified as female, only 13 have *ever* posted.  But then again, neither you nor Warriors4ever have chosen a gender :)  You can do that here...

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;area=forumprofile

Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: manesworld on February 05, 2020, 10:34:08 PM
I am not sure this stat is particularly significant.  A woman who registers and logs on once counts the same as Chicos or 4never. 

How many women vs men have All-American status?

I’ve never heard a WOMAN start the argument than males are superior athletes to females!
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Cheeks on February 05, 2020, 11:20:12 PM
I’ve never heard a WOMAN start the argument than males are superior athletes to females!

My wife, a high school basketball and track athlete, says it all the time.  Of course she had 5 older brothers that were great athletes and she's an old school conservative.  That's one of many reasons I love her.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Keithtisbarf on February 05, 2020, 11:29:28 PM
My wife, a high school basketball and track athlete, says it all the time.  Of course she had 5 older brothers that were great athletes and she's an old school conservative.  That's one of many reasons I love her.

And she is made of plastic and filled with air and you bought her on alibaba.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: warriorchick on February 06, 2020, 07:02:53 AM
I’ve never heard a WOMAN start the argument than males are superior athletes to females!

 ::)  I meant on Scoop.
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Keithtisbarf on February 06, 2020, 08:42:37 AM
::)  I meant on Scoop.

Are men with Dad bod better at sports than female athletes?
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Cheeks on February 07, 2020, 08:58:28 AM
Are men with Dad bod better at sports than female athletes?

How’s the wife?
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: TheREALwrk on February 08, 2020, 10:03:38 PM
The Projos are out in full force after a decidedly “i told you so” 16-6 start and a solid home in “others receiving votes”. Bet it feels great to be totally validated.

Oh wait - we still haven’t won a tournament game, won the Big East, won a Big East tourney, or ended a season ranked (besides possibly (??) last year which was wholly undeserved after our meltdown)..

Is this it?? Is this the “I told you so” endgame for the Projos? If so.... we really have accepted mediocrity. Unfortunate. Pile it on if you must, though.

I’ll see you all at the FF Sunday.

Waiting.... dipcrap  ::)
Title: Re: Remember when the Wojo defenders asked if we'd rather have the DePaul program?
Post by: Johnny B on February 08, 2020, 10:09:08 PM
The Projos are out in full force after a decidedly “i told you so” 16-6 start and a solid home in “others receiving votes”. Bet it feels great to be totally validated.

Oh wait - we still haven’t won a tournament game, won the Big East, won a Big East tourney, or ended a season ranked (besides possibly (??) last year which was wholly undeserved after our meltdown)..

Is this it?? Is this the “I told you so” endgame for the Projos? If so.... we really have accepted mediocrity. Unfortunate. Pile it on if you must, though.

I’ll see you all at the FF Sunday.
You absolute child