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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 02, 2019, 05:35:26 PM

Title: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 02, 2019, 05:35:26 PM
Tough loss for Hoyas.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: MU03Grad on December 02, 2019, 05:38:14 PM
Tough loss for Hoyas.

And LeBlanc
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Pakuni on December 02, 2019, 05:40:08 PM
Ewing ignored their letter about Mac McClung.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 02, 2019, 05:43:41 PM
sounds more like they were dismissed:

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1201646861909725190/photo/1
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: MarquetteDano on December 02, 2019, 05:43:59 PM
Ugh. All this turmoil at GTown and St. John's. Really important that at least one (preferably both) being relevant for BE.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: manesworld on December 02, 2019, 05:46:48 PM
Can’t be. Wojo’s the only guy who loses two of his 4 best players.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: BM1090 on December 02, 2019, 05:49:15 PM
Akinjo wasn't very good last year and hasn't been good yet this year.

Still a big loss from a depth perspective and both guys had upside.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 02, 2019, 05:50:10 PM
This is pretty insane.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: shoothoops on December 02, 2019, 05:52:17 PM
They were dismissed effective immediately .

Akinjo was averaging 13 points a game, Leblanc 7.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: ZaLiN on December 02, 2019, 05:56:06 PM
Can’t be. Wojo’s the only guy who loses two of his 4 best players.

SMH Wojo so bad other team's players want out of the conference.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Boozemon Barro on December 02, 2019, 05:57:05 PM
Akinjo wasn't very good last year and hasn't been good yet this year.

Still a big loss from a depth perspective and both guys had upside.
He was Big East freshman of the year last year.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Jay Bee on December 02, 2019, 05:58:41 PM
He was Big East freshman of the year last year.

There were like 7 guys that it could have been. Had to pick one of them. He’s a small guard who can’t shoot. Yuck
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: BM1090 on December 02, 2019, 06:12:41 PM
He was Big East freshman of the year last year.

He shot 36% from the field and is at 33% this year.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 02, 2019, 06:29:18 PM
Ugh. All this turmoil at GTown and St. John's. Really important that at least one (preferably both) being relevant for BE.

It’s not 1984 any longer.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Its DJOver on December 02, 2019, 06:29:31 PM
He was good enough to torch us in Milwaukee last year.  It may not effect the long term trajectory of the program, but a mid-season transfer of your leader in minutes, and second in scoring will hurt them this year.  Biggest impact will probably be either McClung and his 13% assist percentage, or Jagan Mosley and his 17% assist percentage will be thrust into a new/big(ger) role.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: We R Final Four on December 02, 2019, 06:31:49 PM
It doesn’t sound like a mid season transfer. It sounds like he was dismissed immediately. We will see.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: MarquetteDano on December 02, 2019, 06:36:09 PM
It’s not 1984 any longer.

If  Butler and Creighton were 25-2 and Saint John's and Georgetown were 25-2 with the same schedules you are saying it makes no difference for the Big East?
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: TAMU Garcia on December 02, 2019, 06:37:34 PM
Don't F with Ewing even if you are the star players
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 02, 2019, 06:37:39 PM
Ugh. All this turmoil at GTown and St. John's. Really important that at least one (preferably both) being relevant for BE.

What turmoil is going on at St. John's, besides lucking into a really good coach after a pretty disastrous coaching search last spring?
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 02, 2019, 06:39:22 PM
Sounds like they were booted off the team.  Will be curious if any story is verified as to why. 
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: MuMark on December 02, 2019, 06:40:22 PM
https://twitter.com/casualhoya/status/1201660081785462784?s=21
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 02, 2019, 06:41:23 PM
If  Butler and Creighton were 25-2 and Saint John's and Georgetown were 25-2 with the same schedules you are saying it makes no difference for the Big East?

Difference in terms of what?  Is Fox going to give us a larger TV contract? Georgetown is still something but St Johns hasn’t been relevant for decades.

And even so, I’m not sure that difference rises to the lev of “really important.” 
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 02, 2019, 06:42:56 PM
https://twitter.com/casualhoya/status/1201660081785462784?s=21

In case people miss it...Important to note unconfirmed.  But there is smoke.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EK0n9ITWwAEtDA6.jpg)
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: brewcity77 on December 02, 2019, 06:43:52 PM
SMH Wojo so bad other team's players want out of the conference.

I laughed.

Seriously, if I were a Hoyas fan, I imagine this would feel like Markus & Sam leaving as sophomores. I wasn't that high on Akinjo, but Hoyas fans seemed to think he'd bring them back to the top of the league and I do think Leblanc was the best player from their freshman class, even if he got the least acclaim.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Herman Cain on December 02, 2019, 06:52:27 PM
Mods on Hoya message board editing certain posts. Lots of rumors flying.

http://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/31728/akinjo-leblanc-playing-team

Bios deleted from the roster. Usually a sign of something not positive.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: nyg on December 02, 2019, 06:59:22 PM
Mods on Hoya message board editing certain posts. Lots of rumors flying.

http://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/31728/akinjo-leblanc-playing-team

Bios deleted from the roster. Usually a sign of something not positive.

If the university issues a formal statement advising they are no longer on the team, then why keep their biographies on the roster website. 

“Sign of something not positive”?  Yeah, they were dismissed, no signs. 
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: MarquetteDano on December 02, 2019, 07:05:28 PM
Difference in terms of what?  Is Fox going to give us a larger TV contract? Georgetown is still something but St Johns hasn’t been relevant for decades.

And even so, I’m not sure that difference rises to the lev of “really important.”

Agree on the contract.  I still run into people who don't even know Creighton is in the Big East.  Not everyone follows college b-ball as close to people who post on this board.  A lot of groupthink doesn't mean that is what the rest of the country thinks.  It is a perception thing.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: MarquetteDano on December 02, 2019, 07:06:36 PM
What turmoil is going on at St. John's, besides lucking into a really good coach after a pretty disastrous coaching search last spring?

Yeah that they had to start over again.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: tower912 on December 02, 2019, 07:15:01 PM
Minutes available for Karim Mane. :-[
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 02, 2019, 07:15:48 PM
Mods on Hoya message board editing certain posts. Lots of rumors flying.

http://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/31728/akinjo-leblanc-playing-team

Bios deleted from the roster. Usually a sign of something not positive.

That's SOP whenever anyone leaves a team.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 02, 2019, 07:17:50 PM
That's SOP whenever anyone leaves a team.

https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/sam-hauser/4223
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Cheeks on December 02, 2019, 07:34:48 PM
Mods on Hoya message board editing certain posts. Lots of rumors flying.

http://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/31728/akinjo-leblanc-playing-team

Bios deleted from the roster. Usually a sign of something not positive.

Georgetown has a Scoop and it’s a lot like ours.  The world is ending, coach’s fault, we should be great like the 1980’s again, etc, etc.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: lawdog77 on December 02, 2019, 07:42:31 PM
When I first read the title, I thought it said Akanno transferring.  Whew.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: NickelDimer on December 02, 2019, 07:51:05 PM
When I first read the title, I thought it said Akanno transferring.  Whew.
So did I!
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: forgetful on December 02, 2019, 07:52:40 PM
That's SOP whenever anyone leaves a team.

Is it SOP to have two athletes have an emergency preliminary injunction and restraining order placed against them by another Georgetown student?
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: tower912 on December 02, 2019, 07:58:42 PM
Conjecture?  Proof, please.  Big accusation.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 02, 2019, 08:00:54 PM
Conjecture?  Proof, please.  Big accusation.

https://twitter.com/casualhoya/status/1201681954128777216?s=21
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: tower912 on December 02, 2019, 08:01:54 PM
Ok, then.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: nyg on December 02, 2019, 08:03:01 PM
Conjecture?  Proof, please.  Big accusation.

It’s actually in the thread, page 5.  DC Court Temporary Restraining Order against LeBlanc and Galen Alexander, copy included. Why Alexander not dismissed and why Akingo leaving is the question.  Maybe the TRO was another issue and not the actual reason for the players leaving the team.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 02, 2019, 08:06:08 PM
It’s actually in the thread, page 5.  DC Court Temporary Restraining Order against LeBlanc and Galen Alexander, copy included. Why Alexander not dismissed and why Akingo leaving is the question.  Maybe the TRO was another issue and not the actual reason for the players leaving the team.

It’s pretty muddied at the moment and a lot of conjecture.  It does illustrate the difficulty all programs have with roster construction and untimely departures, for whatever reason
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: forgetful on December 02, 2019, 08:06:42 PM
Conjecture?  Proof, please.  Big accusation.

I wouldn't have posted if it it wasn't public record and posted elsewhere. No idea what it is in reference to.

I also did not originally post the link, because the court order had the other students name in it. I don't like that it was posted publicly in that form as it does a disservice to the other student. The updated link others have now posted has the other students name redacted.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: tower912 on December 02, 2019, 08:09:55 PM
Thank you all.   I have seen it
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: lawdog77 on December 02, 2019, 08:14:22 PM
https://twitter.com/casualhoya/status/1201681954128777216?s=21
looked it up. Plauntiff is alleging leblanc committed burglary and then threatened bodily harm. No cases on Akinjo, so not sure why he was dismissed
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Warrior Code on December 02, 2019, 08:16:08 PM
FWIW, the twitterverse doesn't think very highly of Marquette as "job." Only a couple people mentioned it in the replies. Nova, Butler, and Xavier seem to have the best response rate for the BE in this extremely unscientific poll.

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1201670772365889541
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: nyg on December 02, 2019, 08:21:21 PM
Just for background and FYI,  Galen Alexander signed with LSU and was dismissed by them for disciplinary reasons. He was also recruited and offered by MU.  Played AAU ball with Leblanc in Louisiana.

Let’s see what the actual reason for Akingo and Leblanc leaving are and whether the TRO against Alexander raises issues with the Georgetown hierarchy. 
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Jay Bee on December 02, 2019, 08:22:34 PM
...and don't believe the b.s. headlines you'll see about 'resurgent Georgetown' and how this changed everything for their rapid upward trajectory. They were not a good team and are not a good team.

Yes, Katz had them as his preseason #18 - and should be institutionalized for such nonsense.

Heading into today before this news, KenPom had Georgetown projected to finish 9th in the BEast, ahead of only St. John's, which was reasonable.

Bad defensive team that can't shoot.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 02, 2019, 08:25:29 PM
looked it up. Plauntiff is alleging leblanc committed burglary and then threatened bodily harm. No cases on Akinjo, so not sure why he was dismissed

My *guess* is that there are similar issues and evidence has yet to become public.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: forgetful on December 02, 2019, 08:29:58 PM
looked it up. Plauntiff is alleging leblanc committed burglary and then threatened bodily harm. No cases on Akinjo, so not sure why he was dismissed

To be fair. The complaint alleges that Leblanc and "his friends" committed burglary, and then Leblanc threatened "bodily harm" that is documented in text messages.

It doesn't specify who "his friends" were, and you are right, no mention of Akinjo anywhere, but Alexander is mentioned by name. A lot of oddities at the moment.

I will not speculate at this time.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: TallTitan34 on December 02, 2019, 08:41:36 PM
FWIW, the twitterverse doesn't think very highly of Marquette as "job." Only a couple people mentioned it in the replies. Nova, Butler, and Xavier seem to have the best response rate for the BE in this extremely unscientific poll.

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1201670772365889541

Ummm I see quite a few Marquette mentions.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 02, 2019, 08:46:22 PM
This is interesting. So they have three players mentioned with legal issues and another who just decided to transfer on a whim? 🤔 me thinks there's something more to come on akinjo
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Warrior Code on December 02, 2019, 08:52:55 PM
Ummm I see quite a few Marquette mentions.

Maybe more have been added but I read through them right before I posted it and only saw two.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: nyg on December 02, 2019, 08:56:04 PM
This is interesting. So they have three players mentioned with legal issues and another who just decided to transfer on a whim? 🤔 me thinks there's something more to come on akinjo

Maybe he saw his buddy Leblanc getting kicked off and others on the gangplank and wants off the sinking ship.  Nothing discipline wise, just unhappy.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 02, 2019, 08:57:46 PM
Maybe he saw his buddy Leblanc getting kicked off and others on the gangplank and wants off the sinking ship.  Nothing discipline wise, just unhappy.

Plausible. Then my last thought would be why Leblanc. Is GT going to fight this and he was the only one with an iron clad case? I'm not trying to start rumors it just doesn't make sense to me that they'd kick off 1/3
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 02, 2019, 09:09:34 PM
And LeBlanc

This is sooo disappointing 😏
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 02, 2019, 09:11:03 PM
Akinjo wasn't very good last year and hasn't been good yet this year.

Still a big loss from a depth perspective and both guys had upside.

Akinjo lit us up n cost us a BE title
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Jay Bee on December 02, 2019, 09:15:07 PM
Akinjo lit us up n cost us a BE title

He also shot 1/10 from the field against us in 3-point loss

43.9% eFG% last year
38.2% this season

bootay
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: manesworld on December 02, 2019, 09:29:14 PM
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2019/12/02/resurgent-georgetown-beset-by-legal-trouble-and-transfers/amp/
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: nyg on December 02, 2019, 09:34:25 PM
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2019/12/02/resurgent-georgetown-beset-by-legal-trouble-and-transfers/amp/

Yeah, no mention of Akinjo.  Probably got wind of other players besides his buddy Leblanc in trouble and is getting out before the next hammer falls.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: forgetful on December 02, 2019, 09:40:31 PM
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2019/12/02/resurgent-georgetown-beset-by-legal-trouble-and-transfers/amp/

Was just about to post that there was another legal issue involving more than just Leblanc and Alexander.

Based on the filed legal complaint, there may be even more to this story to come out.

But no mention of Akinjo in any complaints. His story really seems to be that he wanted out, and had no other mitigating circumstances.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: MU82 on December 02, 2019, 10:01:21 PM
When I first read the title, I thought it said Akanno transferring.  Whew.

Me three.

Glad this is all Ewing's problem. Better GT than us!
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Cheeks on December 02, 2019, 10:11:10 PM
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2019/12/02/resurgent-georgetown-beset-by-legal-trouble-and-transfers/amp/

I cannot imagine why any school, especially a Catholic school would want this type of negative publicity and arguable why schools try very hard to make sure the right types of kids are coming to their institutions.

Sucks.  You cannot control these situations 100%, but can certainly be burned hard if the coaching staff isn’t ultra careful on who they bring on campus.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 02, 2019, 10:29:11 PM
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/sam-hauser/4223

Transferred after the season was over.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Herman Cain on December 02, 2019, 10:34:26 PM
Research Report on LeBlanc et al

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/georgetown-pg-james-akinjo-sf-josh-leblanc-to-transfer-leblanc-faces-restraining-order-requests/amp/
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 02, 2019, 10:56:57 PM
To be fair. The complaint alleges that Leblanc and "his friends" committed burglary, and then Leblanc threatened "bodily harm" that is documented in text messages.

Read it too.  The exact wording, in the "other information" was:

Quote
In response to the threats by Joshua LeBlanc and his two friends, my roommates and I have filed multiple police reports that are pending currently and being investigated.  We continue to fear for our personal safety and well-being

So, 2 friends (surprised only one is listed) and roommates mentioned. 
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 02, 2019, 11:07:04 PM
I cannot imagine why any school, especially a Catholic school would want this type of negative publicity and arguable why schools try very hard to make sure the right types of kids are coming to their institutions.


Yeah, the problem here is "bad publicity".

And seminaries should have been more careful about whom to admit also. An epidemic of pedophilia can result in bad publicity. Some victims, too, I guess...but the bad publicity!

Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 03, 2019, 01:16:30 AM
Read it too.  The exact wording, in the "other information" was:

So, 2 friends (surprised only one is listed) and roommates mentioned.

Myron Gardner is the "2nd" friend.  See case # "2019 CA 007444 B"

https://eaccess.dccourts.gov/eaccess/

(case # "2019 CA 007301 B" was the first I found)
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on December 03, 2019, 01:33:15 AM
Yeah, the problem here is "bad publicity".

And seminaries should have been more careful about whom to admit also. An epidemic of pedophilia can result in bad publicity. Some victims, too, I guess...but the bad publicity!

Excellent point. Couldn’t agree more. Yet you seem to agree that MSU is a “better program” than Marquette. Where’s the outrage at the horror show that is the entire MSU athletic department?

I will give you the benefit of the doubt, as your succinct and accurate reply to my original post about Virginia hoops was solely focused on uVA.

But I suspect you would say MSU is a better program than MU when it fits the narrative.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: brewcity77 on December 03, 2019, 06:31:31 AM
Really poorly handled by Georgetown. Sam Vecenie is reporting the two transfers are not linked. Akinjo just wanted to leave, but by bundling the release and letting it get out that both were kicked off the team, Akinjo got tied into Leblanc's actions. That's a really bad look.

EDIT: Worse look, crimes committed in September, restraining orders issued November 5, all the players involved played Saturday. That's bad for Ewing.

A sexual assault survivor & activist on Twitter said she worked with Georgetown on these types of issues in August and had special sessions with the athletics department. If the staff was advised how to handle these situations 3 months ago, hard to see how they will survive this.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: jsglow on December 03, 2019, 07:25:01 AM
Really poorly handled by Georgetown. Sam Vecenie is reporting the two transfers are not linked. Akinjo just wanted to leave, but by bundling the release and letting it get out that both were kicked off the team, Akinjo got tied into Leblanc's actions. That's a really bad look.

EDIT: Worse look, crimes committed in September, restraining orders issued November 5, all the players involved played Saturday. That's bad for Ewing.

A sexual assault survivor & activist on Twitter said she worked with Georgetown on these types of issues in August and had special sessions with the athletics department. If the staff was advised how to handle these situations 3 months ago, hard to see how they will survive this.

I'm going to agree with brew. This looks damn bad for the GTown program.  And if Akinjo is simply jumping off a sinking ship Georgetown's decision to include his departure in the original press release is inexcusable.  I'll ask it here first.  Does Ewing survive this?  Does he even make it to Christmas?  Does this similarly implicate the AD?  This has the potential to be very, very bad.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 03, 2019, 07:39:07 AM
Excellent point. Couldn’t agree more. Yet you seem to agree that MSU is a “better program” than Marquette. Where’s the outrage at the horror show that is the entire MSU athletic department?

I will give you the benefit of the doubt, as your succinct and accurate reply to my original post about Virginia hoops was solely focused on uVA.

But I suspect you would say MSU is a better program than MU when it fits the narrative.

I was only referring to the relative strengths (i.e., success on the court) of the basketball programs.

Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: brewcity77 on December 03, 2019, 07:46:42 AM
I'm going to agree with brew. This looks damn bad for the GTown program.  And if Akinjo is simply jumping off a sinking ship Georgetown's decision to include his departure in the original press release is inexcusable.  I'll ask it here first.  Does Ewing survive this?  Does he even make it to Christmas?  Does this similarly implicate the AD?  This has the potential to be very, very bad.

I could see the AD escaping since they had someone addressing the staff on this specific issue just over 3 months ago and that same person is now asking "what did they know and when did they know it?"

AD could easily shift blame to the basketball staff, saying "I tried to provide education right before the season and they ignored it."
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: 1SE on December 03, 2019, 07:53:24 AM
All the Nojos and Sosojos (myself included) out there must admit that the fact that there hasn't been a wiff of this kind behavior/culture under his tenure is worth a lot. Although I also don't think NCAA success and clean programmes with quality kids need be mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 03, 2019, 07:54:12 AM
Really poorly handled by Georgetown. Sam Vecenie is reporting the two transfers are not linked. Akinjo just wanted to leave, but by bundling the release and letting it get out that both were kicked off the team, Akinjo got tied into Leblanc's actions. That's a really bad look.


Jesus.  That's PR 101 bad...
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: forgetful on December 03, 2019, 08:05:59 AM
Really poorly handled by Georgetown. Sam Vecenie is reporting the two transfers are not linked. Akinjo just wanted to leave, but by bundling the release and letting it get out that both were kicked off the team, Akinjo got tied into Leblanc's actions. That's a really bad look.

EDIT: Worse look, crimes committed in September, restraining orders issued November 5, all the players involved played Saturday. That's bad for Ewing.

A sexual assault survivor & activist on Twitter said she worked with Georgetown on these types of issues in August and had special sessions with the athletics department. If the staff was advised how to handle these situations 3 months ago, hard to see how they will survive this.

Potentially worse look. The accuser is claiming that there were prior reports of assault on at least one of the accused. Seems to imply that university records will indicate they were aware of these prior assault accusations.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: MU82 on December 03, 2019, 08:15:04 AM
I'm going to agree with brew. This looks damn bad for the GTown program.  And if Akinjo is simply jumping off a sinking ship Georgetown's decision to include his departure in the original press release is inexcusable.  I'll ask it here first.  Does Ewing survive this?  Does he even make it to Christmas?  Does this similarly implicate the AD?  This has the potential to be very, very bad.

Wow. Horrible stuff.

I actually feel bad for Akinjo. He seemingly didn't deserve this.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: jsglow on December 03, 2019, 08:51:31 AM
It's like these guys never learn.  So this comes to the attention of Ewing in the time immediately after the incidents in question and he takes no action to protect the integrity of the program and university overall while the investigation unfolds.  Rather, it appears he may have tried to completely rugsweep it. 

Just yesterday the news here in Chicago was Mayor Lightfoot firing Eddie Johnson's arse in disgrace when what he shoulda done was admit to 'one too many glasses of wine' and 'taking my DUI like a man' two months ago.  Chicago cop and cover-up can't be in the same sentence after the history here the last few years. 
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on December 03, 2019, 09:26:13 AM
All the Nojos and Sosojos (myself included) out there must admit that the fact that there hasn't been a wiff of this kind behavior/culture under his tenure is worth a lot. Although I also don't think NCAA success and clean programmes with quality kids need be mutually exclusive.

This.

Wojo is running a program most of us can be damn proud of. In relatively short order, I’m confident he will be running one that ALL of us can be proud of.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: fjm on December 03, 2019, 09:52:47 AM
This.

Wojo is running a program most of us can be damn proud of. In relatively short order, I’m confident he will be running one that ALL of us can be proud of.

Yup
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Herman Cain on December 03, 2019, 10:19:07 AM
Yeah, no mention of Akinjo.  Probably got wind of other players besides his buddy Leblanc in trouble and is getting out before the next hammer falls.
Akinjo led the team in minutes played, scoring, assists and completely dominated the ball. The team was built around him, why would he get now and not just finish season.



Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Pakuni on December 03, 2019, 10:24:25 AM
Can it get worse? It can.

Laura Wagner @laurawags
Two Metro PD incident reports corresponding to the police report numbers included in a restraining order request against Josh LeBlanc. This incident report named four stolen items and alleged a suspect made this threat: "If you tell anyone we'll send people after you."
This incident report said, "complainant reported the suspect showing her his erect clothed penis."
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: UWW2MU on December 03, 2019, 10:27:38 AM
Really poorly handled by Georgetown. Sam Vecenie is reporting the two transfers are not linked. Akinjo just wanted to leave, but by bundling the release and letting it get out that both were kicked off the team, Akinjo got tied into Leblanc's actions. That's a really bad look.

EDIT: Worse look, crimes committed in September, restraining orders issued November 5, all the players involved played Saturday. That's bad for Ewing.

A sexual assault survivor & activist on Twitter said she worked with Georgetown on these types of issues in August and had special sessions with the athletics department. If the staff was advised how to handle these situations 3 months ago, hard to see how they will survive this.

In situations like this do they take time for due process?     I'm not suggesting it, I really don't know.    There could be enough evidence for an investigation and restraining order, but they could ultimately be found innocent... so if you sat them, that'd be punishing someone who didn't deserve it.  On the other hand, if there's enough for the restraining order, that is probably enough to initiate action.   

Not saying this applies here, just laying out my thoughts on the delay.  Still not enough information out to damn a program from what I see... but it could certainly end up being that way later.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 03, 2019, 10:31:34 AM
In situations like this do they take time for due process?     I'm not suggesting it, I really don't know.    There could be enough evidence for an investigation and restraining order, but they could ultimately be found innocent... so if you sat them, that'd be punishing someone who didn't deserve it.  On the other hand, if there's enough for the restraining order, that is probably enough to initiate action.   

Not saying this applies here, just laying out my thoughts on the delay.  Still not enough information out to damn a program from what I see... but it could certainly end up being that way later.


Another reason for the delay could be that Georgetown went through its student judicial process, which has different standards than a legal one.  IOW, while they could be considered not guilty by a court of law, they still could be in violation of Georgetown's code of conduct.

And as part of that process, the accused has rights.  Ewing and the athletic department may not have any choice but to keep him on the team.  Schools can get in trouble if a coach shortcuts the process.

But once the process has been followed, they have to live with the results.  He may have been barred from campus.  This could also be the reason why LeBlanc is leaving but the others are staying.

It's generally good to have athletics shielded from the code of conduct process.  That's where Cottingham and Buzz got into trouble.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 03, 2019, 11:04:36 AM
Can it get worse? It can.

Laura Wagner @laurawags
Two Metro PD incident reports corresponding to the police report numbers included in a restraining order request against Josh LeBlanc. This incident report named four stolen items and alleged a suspect made this threat: "If you tell anyone we'll send people after you."
This incident report said, "complainant reported the suspect showing her his erect clothed penis."

“Clothed”? Gangsta my ass!
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 03, 2019, 11:14:51 AM
Akinjo led the team in minutes played, scoring, assists and completely dominated the ball. The team was built around him, why would he get now and not just finish season.

(if he's not involved in the whole mess) he probably saw the writing on the wall, wanted to get out now, get to another school and use what is going on in a waiver request now instead of having to wait through the summer.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: GoldenEagles32 on December 03, 2019, 11:20:15 AM
Adam Zagoria deleted a tweet that said Patrick Ewing made an offensive comment about James Akinjo's dead mother.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Cheeks on December 03, 2019, 11:23:16 AM
Yeah, the problem here is "bad publicity".

And seminaries should have been more careful about whom to admit also. An epidemic of pedophilia can result in bad publicity. Some victims, too, I guess...but the bad publicity!

Goes way beyond bad publicity, but that is certainly one of the problems.  I think some schools learned their lesson, let’s see if Georgetown learns theirs.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Cheeks on December 03, 2019, 11:26:12 AM
This.

Wojo is running a program most of us can be damn proud of. In relatively short order, I’m confident he will be running one that ALL of us can be proud of.

Only problem is the whims of 18-22 year old kids, usually dudes, make decisions that make your heads explode.  No coach can prevent it all the time.  The bigger question is how does the coach respond and handle it.  That’s where I am hoping Wojo’s compass is pointed properly.  Of course prevention is part of the deal here, too.  Who you wish to bring into the program, the culture, etc. 
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: tower912 on December 03, 2019, 11:27:45 AM
Akinjo led the team in minutes played, scoring, assists and completely dominated the ball. The team was built around him, why would he get now and not just finish season.
He didn't like the way Ewing responded to his letter
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: StillAWarrior on December 03, 2019, 12:27:59 PM
I saw somewhere...can't recall where...that perhaps Gonzaga is in play for Akinjo.  I can't say that I'd fault him for trading GU in for...well...GU.  I have absolutely no idea if this is true.  I feel bad for Akinjo because it seems like a distinct possibility that his departure is unrelated to this other mess that is going on.  But again, I don't know if that is true either.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: TAMU Garcia on December 03, 2019, 01:05:49 PM
In situations like this do they take time for due process?     I'm not suggesting it, I really don't know.    There could be enough evidence for an investigation and restraining order, but they could ultimately be found innocent... so if you sat them, that'd be punishing someone who didn't deserve it.  On the other hand, if there's enough for the restraining order, that is probably enough to initiate action.   

Not saying this applies here, just laying out my thoughts on the delay.  Still not enough information out to damn a program from what I see... but it could certainly end up being that way later.

This is a tricky area. Yes, students accused of university rule violations absolutely get due process. A student cannot be punished until the established conduct process is followed and they are found responsible for a rule violation. They can't be put on probation, suspended, expelled, or lose their scholarship until that process is completed. The only exception is that some schools have processes that allow for an "interim suspension" which suspends the student until the end of the investigation. These are very risky for universities because the bar is set pretty high on what situations warrant an interim suspension. They are really only reserved for situations where a student is an imminent threat to the safety of other students.

So while due process is required for probation, suspension, expulsion, etc. there are currently differing schools of thought on whether or not benching a player is a punishment. There have been rulings that some interpret to say that no due process is needed to bench a player, others see it as a violation of the student athlete's due process. Personally, I think we will eventually get to a point where a Title IX office or a conduct office ordering a student to be benched is a due process violation, but I don't ever see a scenario where the coach choosing to bench the player on his/her own would be considered a violation. I can't imagine a court challenging a coach's ability to decide who is and who isn't playing in a game. While you can argue that losing an athletic scholarship will deny the accused educational access, there is no argument that losing playing time will deny the accused educational access.

This of course puts coaches in a difficult position. If they let the accused play, the message to the world fair or not is that they don't care what their player did, just win baby. If they bench the player, that fair or not sends a message to his team that s/he doesn't believe the player and doesn't have their back. I could see that creating issues in the locker room and on the recruiting trail. They also run the risk of the player being found not responsible and then they benched the player and potentially lost games for nothing.

What's the right answer? Depends on who you talk to. Personally, I don't think all allegations are created equal. There are some where a coach truly doesn't know what to believe or believes that their player is innocent. There are some where the players and the coaches are fully aware of what happened and know it wasn't good. I would say in the second situation, the coach has a moral duty to bench the player. There of course is a big gray area in between those two extremes and those have to be taken case by case.

What will actually happen is that coaches will continue to do what they have been doing. Play the accused players until they are told that they have to kick them off the team. They take some heat but they can use plausible deniability to protect themselves. "I truly had no idea what they had done, but the second they were found responsible I kicked them off the team." They of course will never mention that they had no choice but to kick them off the team.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Gato78 on December 03, 2019, 01:10:39 PM
With FRPA (student privacy statute), there is very little a coach can say about the situation without the student's permission. Neither Georgetown nor Ewing will ever discuss what happened.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: TedBaxter on December 03, 2019, 01:27:45 PM
Adam Zagoria deleted a tweet that said Patrick Ewing made an offensive comment about James Akinjo's dead mother.

If true, Ewing could be toast very soon.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: GoldenEagles32 on December 03, 2019, 01:28:46 PM
I saw somewhere...can't recall where...that perhaps Gonzaga is in play for Akinjo.  I can't say that I'd fault him for trading GU in for...well...GU.  I have absolutely no idea if this is true.  I feel bad for Akinjo because it seems like a distinct possibility that his departure is unrelated to this other mess that is going on.  But again, I don't know if that is true either.
this is true about Gonzaga, forgot who tweeted it
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: MU82 on December 03, 2019, 01:38:50 PM
So, TAMU, what you're saying is that there is nuance to these kinds of situations and that those far away who make knee-jerk declarations usually don't know what they're talking about?

How un-Scoopian of you!
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Nukem2 on December 03, 2019, 01:40:59 PM
this is true about Gonzaga, forgot who tweeted it
Adam Zagoria tweeted it.  Akinjo is from the west coast (Oakland area ).
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Herman Cain on December 03, 2019, 01:50:59 PM
this is true about Gonzaga, forgot who tweeted it
If Akinjo goes to Gonzaga his theology credits should be able to transfer over.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 03, 2019, 02:02:11 PM
If Akinjo goes to Gonzaga his theology credits should be able to transfer over.

This is crucial
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 03, 2019, 02:16:43 PM
If Akinjo goes to Gonzaga his theology credits should be able to transfer over.

This is crucial

And this is the kind of A+ content that always makes me return to scoop. You all crack me up.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Pakuni on December 03, 2019, 02:21:12 PM
Georgetown issues message clarifying that Akinjo was not involved in any wrongdoing.

https://guhoyas.com/news/2019/12/3/mens-basketball-message-from-georgetown-athletics.aspx

Dear Hoya Basketball Supporter,
 
Many of you have been following recent news regarding our Men's Basketball Team. Yesterday, we announced that two students, James Akinjo and Josh LeBlanc, will not be members of the team for the remainder of the season as they have expressed an interest in transferring from the University. Separately, allegations were reported publicly against three members of the team. The allegations do not involve James Akinjo.
 
While Georgetown refrains from commenting on individual students in accordance with the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA), we take student conduct issues very seriously. Alleged conduct violations are investigated and adjudicated by the Office of Student Conduct through a fair and equitable process. Both the complainant and the accused student are given the opportunity to provide written and oral statements along with any relevant evidence before disciplinary actions are taken. Student-athletes are subject to the same disciplinary policies and procedures contained in the Code of Conduct that apply to any undergraduate or graduate student.
 
Once the student conduct process is completed, and if sanctions are imposed by the Office of Student Conduct, coaches may impose additional disciplinary actions, including removal from the team. When students report concerns for their safety, the University takes immediate action and offers a range of options and supportive resources for students, which may include putting in place no contact orders between members of the campus community, filing a complaint with the University or the Georgetown University Police Department (GUPD), safety planning with GUPD, police escorts for students, counseling and other support services - all to ensure complainants are safe on campus. If the University determines that a student poses an immediate threat to the safety or security of students or of the community, the University would take immediate action to remove the student from campus.
 
Please know that we are deeply committed to the integrity of our athletics program. All student athletes are required to complete a four-tiered education model on interpersonal violence and sexual assault. Coach Ewing has taken additional steps to ensure a culture of responsibility and integrity within our Men's Basketball Team.
 
We seek to develop the talents, character and leadership qualities of all student-athletes and members of our community.  We aspire for our student-athletes to exemplify the excellence and integrity of the Georgetown community and will continue to work to achieve this mission.
 
Sincerely,
Lee Reed
Director of Intercollegiate Athletics
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 03, 2019, 02:54:45 PM
Georgetown issues message clarifying that Akinjo was not involved in any wrongdoing.

https://guhoyas.com/news/2019/12/3/mens-basketball-message-from-georgetown-athletics.aspx

Dear Hoya Basketball Supporter,
 
Many of you have been following recent news regarding our Men's Basketball Team. Yesterday, we announced that two students, James Akinjo and Josh LeBlanc, will not be members of the team for the remainder of the season as they have expressed an interest in transferring from the University. Separately, allegations were reported publicly against three members of the team. The allegations do not involve James Akinjo.
 


someone in Media Relations should lose their job over lumping in Akinjo with the others.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Eldon on December 03, 2019, 03:43:25 PM
And this is the kind of A+ content that always makes me return to scoop. You all crack me up.

+1
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: silverback on December 03, 2019, 03:43:54 PM
So...

...

Did his penis have a little suit on or...?
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: dgies9156 on December 03, 2019, 04:00:12 PM
Georgetown issues message clarifying that Akinjo was not involved in any wrongdoing.

https://guhoyas.com/news/2019/12/3/mens-basketball-message-from-georgetown-athletics.aspx

Dear Hoya Basketball Supporter,
 
While Georgetown refrains from commenting on individual students in accordance with the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA), we take student conduct issues very seriously. Alleged conduct violations are investigated and adjudicated by the Office of Student Conduct through a fair and equitable process.

12 kangaroos can't be wrong now, can they?
Title: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: PBRme on December 03, 2019, 04:33:58 PM
https://247sports.com/college/georgetown/Article/Three-Georgetown-Players-Facing-Assault-and-Battery-Allegations-139711672/

Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: tower912 on December 03, 2019, 04:54:09 PM
Waaaaaaaaay behind.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: MUEng92 on December 03, 2019, 06:52:09 PM
I missed the part of Georgetown's statement where they apologized to Akinjo for their terrible wording of the original press release that seemed to imply he was involved in a legal matter.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Cheeks on December 03, 2019, 06:56:13 PM
someone in Media Relations should lose their job over lumping in Akinjo with the others.

Maybe they were trying to save costs on the press release email...one rather than two.   ?-(
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Cheeks on December 03, 2019, 06:57:24 PM
So, TAMU, what you're saying is that there is nuance to these kinds of situations and that those far away who make knee-jerk declarations usually don't know what they're talking about?

How un-Scoopian of you!

Yes, nuance for dudes falsely accused vs dudes accused...wait...is there...hmm.   :P
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: MU82 on December 03, 2019, 07:00:23 PM
someone in Media Relations should lose their job over lumping in Akinjo with the others.

Why? Somebody made a mistake. You handle it, you censure the person, and I bet it never happens again. It's a teaching moment that, in the end, didn't hurt anybody. I don't see why somebody needs to join the unemployment line over this.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 03, 2019, 07:38:31 PM
As a reminder, he committed to UCONN under Ollie.  Let's see if he winds up back in the BE as UCONN still are not bound by the league transfer bans I believe. 

That will get the rivalry juices flowing.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: BallBoy on December 03, 2019, 07:46:33 PM
someone in Media Relations should lose their job over lumping in Akinjo with the others.

First off, they didn’t. They put out a press release saying two players are no longer with the team.

After that and unrelated to the PR, information came out that one of the two plus two different players were involved in alleged criminal conduct. people then started to speculate.  The school cleared it up.

Prior the only thing MR knew was two players left the team.

Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: StillAWarrior on December 03, 2019, 07:54:00 PM
I missed the part of Georgetown's statement where they apologized to Akinjo for their terrible wording of the original press release that seemed to imply he was involved in a legal matter.

Honest question: did they imply that?  The original statement said absolutely noting about any legal matters at all. That came from Reddit and the internet in general.

Don’t misunderstand me, I still think they owe him an apology for grouping him with LeBlanc, but nothing in their statement implied that either of them were involved in a legal matter.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: 4everDawson on December 03, 2019, 08:05:52 PM
Akinjo led the team in minutes played, scoring, assists and completely dominated the ball. The team was built around him, why would he get now and not just finish season.

He did not have that option, he was dismissed from the team
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: StillAWarrior on December 03, 2019, 08:16:31 PM
He did not have that option, he was dismissed from the team

It’s a little bit of a semantic issue, but GU never actually used that term (i.e., “dismissed”). They have used that term in the past when they kicked kids off the team. It appears that Akinjo put himself in the portal indicating his intent to transfer, and GU decided to make it immediate. Maybe that’s the same as being “dismissed” but if he had wanted to play at GU this season, he could have. But it’s totally reasonable for a school to immediately cut ties with kids who put their names in the portal.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: 4everDawson on December 03, 2019, 08:36:20 PM
It’s a little bit of a semantic issue, but GU never actually used that term (i.e., “dismissed”). They have used that term in the past when they kicked kids off the team. It appears that Akinjo put himself in the portal indicating his intent to transfer, and GU decided to make it immediate. Maybe that’s the same as being “dismissed” but if he had wanted to play at GU this season, he could have. But it’s totally reasonable for a school to immediately cut ties with kids who put their names in the portal.

You are correct.  I was wrong based on the Georgetown statement as it was reported in the Tribune before I read the Georgetown clarification regarding Akinjo.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: MuMark on December 03, 2019, 09:51:12 PM
It’s a little bit of a semantic issue, but GU never actually used that term (i.e., “dismissed”). They have used that term in the past when they kicked kids off the team. It appears that Akinjo put himself in the portal indicating his intent to transfer, and GU decided to make it immediate. Maybe that’s the same as being “dismissed” but if he had wanted to play at GU this season, he could have. But it’s totally reasonable for a school to immediately cut ties with kids who put their names in the portal.

Once you make it clear to a coaching staff that you are transferring you are basically done. Don't know of anyone who has put his name in the portal but continued to play for his current school......I mean how do you coach a guy who is not committed?

When Cheatham decided to transfer he was done......finished out the semester in school but he was off the team.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 03, 2019, 11:21:07 PM
So Alexander and Gardner are still on the team??
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: StillAWarrior on December 04, 2019, 08:58:24 AM
So Alexander and Gardner are still on the team??

Yes.  For now, at least.

Basically, I think what it boils down to was that Akinjo and LeBlanc put their names in the portal and were then taken off the team.  It was their choice, not Georgetown's.  The other stuff -- which includes Alexander and Gardner -- was not related (unless, of course, it motivated Akinjo and LeBlanc to transfer).  It would appear Georgetown is letting the legal process and/or student conduct process run the course with those two (just as they presumably would have with LeBlanc).

I think it's fair to fault Georgetown for not having the foresight to realize that the other stuff would come out, but when they released their statement I don't think it even occurred to them that it would.  It should have, but I don't think it did.

At the root of it all, I think, is that once GU issued the ambiguous and vaguely worded statement, people started asking questions about why -- including asking people on campus.  I know that's what I did.  The reality is that most people didn't know why those guys chose to transfer, but they did know there had been some legal issues so they made assumptions and reported that.  And then things snowballed from there.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 04, 2019, 09:00:47 AM
Yes.  For now, at least.

Basically, I think what it boils down to was that Akinjo and LeBlanc put their names in the portal and were then taken off the team.  It was their action, not Georgetown's.  The other stuff -- which includes Alexander and Gardner -- was not related (unless, of course, it motivated Akinjo and LeBlanc to transfer).  It would appear Georgetown is letting the legal process and/or student conduct process run the course with those two (just as they presumably would have with LeBlanc).


Or the student conduct process has already played out and LeBlanc had a different sanction than the other two.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: StillAWarrior on December 04, 2019, 09:04:47 AM

Or the student conduct process has already played out and LeBlanc had a different sanction than the other two.

Perhaps. I don't know.  I haven't heard that.  And I would think GU would have "dismissed" him from the team if that had happened.  In recent years, GU has kicked kids off the team for disciplinary reasons, and those statements specifically stated that the kid was "dismissed" from the team.  Based upon everything I've read and heard, I think LeBlanc voluntarily transferred.  Perhaps he wanted out before he was dismissed, but still voluntary at this point.  But I honestly don't know.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 04, 2019, 09:06:02 AM
Good point.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on December 04, 2019, 09:51:37 AM
So...

...

Did his penis have a little suit on or...?

Thankfully James Akinjo was not involved. Reporters may have asked if “fully clothed” included a Jimmy hat?
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 04, 2019, 12:33:01 PM
Perhaps. I don't know.  I haven't heard that.  And I would think GU would have "dismissed" him from the team if that had happened.  In recent years, GU has kicked kids off the team for disciplinary reasons, and those statements specifically stated that the kid was "dismissed" from the team.  Based upon everything I've read and heard, I think LeBlanc voluntarily transferred.  Perhaps he wanted out before he was dismissed, but still voluntary at this point.  But I honestly don't know.

perhaps it was a mutual deal with GT to save face for LeBlanc. Kind of like coaches "resigning" or "stepping down" instead of being fired.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 04, 2019, 07:19:47 PM
haven't even hit the waiver wire yet then eyn'a?
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: brewcity77 on December 05, 2019, 05:44:01 AM
In light of the focus on Georgetown right now, I'm shocked they played Galen Alexander and Myron Gardner last night.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: StillAWarrior on December 05, 2019, 06:08:34 AM
In light of the focus on Georgetown right now, I'm shocked they played Galen Alexander and Myron Gardner last night.

I expected them to play. Whether you agree with it or not, GU’s publicly-stated position in all of this has been that they’re waiting for the discipline process to run its course before taking any action against the players.  I’m not surprised they stuck with that.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 05, 2019, 08:10:32 AM
I expected them to play. Whether you agree with it or not, GU’s publicly-stated position in all of this has been that they’re waiting for the discipline process to run its course before taking any action against the players.  I’m not surprised they stuck with that.

Yep. They have rights as well.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: TAMU Garcia on December 05, 2019, 08:35:44 AM
Yep. They have rights as well.

Playing in a basketball game is not a right, it is a privilege. Coach has every right to sit them. But this is also true:


I expected them to play. Whether you agree with it or not, GU’s publicly-stated position in all of this has been that they’re waiting for the discipline process to run its course before taking any action against the players.  I’m not surprised they stuck with that.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 05, 2019, 09:02:35 AM
Playing in a basketball game is not a right, it is a privilege. Coach has every right to sit them. But this is also true:



You of course are right. And you would know more than me, but a school generally is not going to restrict a student athlete who has been accused, but not found guilty, of a student code violation.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: brewcity77 on December 05, 2019, 02:05:07 PM
Terrence Williams, a top-100 forward committed to Georgetown for 2020, has reopened his recruitment. He was the to recruit in their 2020 class.
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 05, 2019, 02:51:14 PM
Terrence Williams, a top-100 forward committed to Georgetown for 2020, has reopened his recruitment. He was the to recruit in their 2020 class.

Didn't sign the NLI?
Title: Re: Akinjo transferring
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 05, 2019, 03:32:17 PM
Didn't sign the NLI?

Nope.  He did not.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: muwarrior69 on December 05, 2019, 04:35:29 PM
Waaaaaaaaay behind.

His geiger counter must be on the fritz.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: mu_hilltopper on December 05, 2019, 06:48:27 PM
Another thread was opened and merged here.  I like the new title better.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: MuMark on December 13, 2019, 01:59:20 PM
Another bomb goes off

https://twitter.com/waterboyg1/status/1205575783730892801?s=21
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 13, 2019, 02:04:52 PM
Alexander and Gardner transferring as well.

Woof. 
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 13, 2019, 02:05:42 PM
Settin' the table to apply for a waiver, hey?
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Oldgym on December 13, 2019, 02:15:39 PM
Quote
It has been nothing short of a blessing to be a Hoya
Quote
..the university has allowed me to become a target and subjected to unfair treatment, with little or no support
Quote
Hoya Saxa forever!

Ok then.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Its DJOver on December 13, 2019, 02:16:42 PM
So, how many scholarship players do they have left?
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 13, 2019, 02:19:50 PM
So, how many scholarship players do they have left?

Looks like 7. 
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: nyg on December 13, 2019, 02:23:22 PM
Okinjo, LeBlanc, Gardner and Alexander gone. What is scholarship limit, 12?

They have 4 seniors, so that is 8 openings for next year.

 Georgetown plays Syracuse on national TV tommorow, good luck. 
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Elonsmusk on December 13, 2019, 02:42:40 PM
Alexander and Gardner transferring as well.

Woof.

Both look to be largely non-factors.  Sometimes addition by subtraction.  Ewing will have lots of scholarships to offer/fill, and I'd guess he'll do fairly well on recruiting trail.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 13, 2019, 02:47:14 PM
Both look to be largely non-factors.  Sometimes addition by subtraction.  Ewing will have lots of scholarships to offer/fill, and I'd guess he'll do fairly well on recruiting trail.


We will see.  Hasn't done much so far.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: tower912 on December 13, 2019, 02:48:37 PM
The way this is going, is anyone willing to bet large $'s that Ewing is the coach next year?
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Its DJOver on December 13, 2019, 03:04:15 PM
https://www.wusa9.com/article/sports/faculty-sends-letter-to-georgetown-president/65-69550e00-2c38-424d-9c31-aedc303ab924

Letter campaign, this officially can't end well.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: mileskishnish72 on December 13, 2019, 03:35:50 PM
Nagasaki.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 13, 2019, 03:41:45 PM
https://www.wusa9.com/article/sports/faculty-sends-letter-to-georgetown-president/65-69550e00-2c38-424d-9c31-aedc303ab924

Letter campaign, this officially can't end well.

Finally a post about a letter that's a letter.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 13, 2019, 03:49:02 PM
Hiroshima? Nagasaki? What, was "Georgetown Holocaust" previously used? SMH.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 13, 2019, 03:51:16 PM
These descriptive terms are insensitive and totally offensive.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: LAMUfan on December 13, 2019, 04:36:06 PM
These descriptive terms are insensitive and totally offensive.

Seems like this would carry more weight if it didn't have a giant red paper mache Indian head picture next to it   
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 13, 2019, 05:20:01 PM
Some of us are very consistent in our posts and don't practice hypocrisy or selective outrage.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Cheeks on December 13, 2019, 05:43:57 PM
Another bomb goes off

https://twitter.com/waterboyg1/status/1205575783730892801?s=21


Media potentially jumping to conclusions and destroying people....you don't say
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Cheeks on December 13, 2019, 05:49:57 PM
https://www.wusa9.com/article/sports/faculty-sends-letter-to-georgetown-president/65-69550e00-2c38-424d-9c31-aedc303ab924

Letter campaign, this officially can't end well.


Georgetown faculty write more of these letters at a pretty good clip.  There was another one earlier today on a different subject.  There was yesterday's on basketball.  Last week another one on a third subject.  Last month another one on funding.  Etc, etc.  They are a busy bunch of letter writers.

Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Oldgym on December 13, 2019, 06:31:54 PM

Media potentially jumping to conclusions and destroying people....you don't say

Every thread Chicos touches dies.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: 79Warrior on December 13, 2019, 06:52:19 PM

Georgetown faculty write more of these letters at a pretty good clip.  There was another one earlier today on a different subject.  There was yesterday's on basketball.  Last week another one on a third subject.  Last month another one on funding.  Etc, etc.  They are a busy bunch of letter writers.

So what?...
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on December 13, 2019, 06:53:05 PM
Every thread Chicos touches dies.

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/Ph4Vri9CbUdc3H0IJk/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Nukem2 on December 13, 2019, 06:56:51 PM
So what?...
Its a good point.  Some faculties are rather active. Letters or whatever.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 13, 2019, 06:57:08 PM

Media potentially jumping to conclusions and destroying people....you don't say


Lol. His name was on a restraining order. But yeah...the media.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: cheebs09 on December 13, 2019, 07:18:10 PM

Lol. His name was on a restraining order. But yeah...the media.

Especially from the guy who trots out the Chicago Tribune article at every possible chance.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: News: Garcia dreams MU on December 13, 2019, 07:19:40 PM
Especially from the guy who trots out the Chicago Tribune article at every possible chance.
Typical double standard. On point for the type of person he is.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Cheeks on December 13, 2019, 07:19:48 PM
Every thread Chicos touches dies.

Dies....usually is injected with new life, spice and vigor.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Cheeks on December 13, 2019, 07:22:24 PM
Especially from the guy who trots out the Chicago Tribune article at every possible chance.

Media gets some things right...like in that situation.  That's why people were fired / resigned / players gone, etc.   But they get too many things wrong, unfortunately.   
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: MU82 on December 13, 2019, 07:25:00 PM
Every thread Chicos touches dies.

This can't be true. He's been permanently banned, you know.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: News: Garcia dreams MU on December 13, 2019, 07:26:25 PM
Media gets some things right...like in that situation.  That's why people were fired / resigned / players gone, etc.   But they get too many things wrong, unfortunately.
Mainly things you don't agree with.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: harryp on December 13, 2019, 07:54:27 PM
That MLK quote is fantastic!!
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: manesworld on December 13, 2019, 07:57:50 PM
Every thread Chicos touches dies.

He was antagonized into writing this, duh.  He's the victim, as always!  Not what is said, but who said it!
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: tower912 on December 13, 2019, 08:04:41 PM
Every thread Chicos douches dies.

FIFY
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: BallBoy on December 14, 2019, 01:37:34 AM

Media potentially jumping to conclusions and destroying people....you don't say

Biggest excuse by people who do dumb crap. “It wasn’t me but the media...”. The guy was in a police report. The media reported that. The media didn’t make up his situation. They didn’t make him do the dumb crap. He is accused of doing it by someone else who got their roommate to also fill out a report.  That is criminal if they lied.  The media did not do that. And “the media” is really social media responding to the dumb sh*t that he is accused of doing. 
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: PTM on December 14, 2019, 06:20:28 AM
Every thread Chicos touches dies.


And former love interests.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 14, 2019, 06:33:54 AM

And former love interests.

  that was kinda harsh ptm...as a matter of fact very harsh.  i suggest we take that one down and give you a mulligan.  you're better than this
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 14, 2019, 06:51:01 AM
Media gets some things right...like in that situation.  That's why people were fired

Who was fired?
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: PTM on December 14, 2019, 07:31:56 AM
  that was kinda harsh ptm...as a matter of fact very harsh.  i suggest we take that one down and give you a mulligan.  you're better than this

Nah. It’s all about attention.

Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 14, 2019, 07:37:10 AM
Don't know wtf is wrong with some folks on this board. It quickly goes from light, good spirited fun to I hate your motherfookin' guts and can't wait to beat the living chit out of you. What a wonderful life and way to live. Merry Xmas, aina?
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Johnny B on December 14, 2019, 07:38:29 AM
Don't know wtf is wrong with some folks on this board. It quickly goes from light, good spirited fun to I hate your motherfookin' guts and can't wait to beat the living chit out of you. What a wonderful life and way to live. Merry Xmas, aina?
Are you new here ?
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 14, 2019, 07:47:29 AM
Don't know wtf is wrong with some folks on this board. It quickly goes from light, good spirited fun to I hate your motherfookin' guts and can't wait to beat the living chit out of you. What a wonderful life and way to live. Merry Xmas, aina?


Gee.  I wonder who changed the tone.  Hmmmm....
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Jay Bee on December 14, 2019, 08:56:06 AM
Dude is bragging about a 3.1 GPA... FOH
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 14, 2019, 09:32:38 AM

Gee.  I wonder who changed the tone.  Hmmmm....

that's like saying, i don't like what you are saying so i can gut punch you?  that was a really rough time for chicos as it would be for anyone.  some things should be off-limits-bringing up the loss of someone very close to you as a beat-down, is about as low as one can go. 

    not sure of where you draw the line up in the frozen tundra there sully, but this one was pretty cold
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 14, 2019, 10:09:33 AM
that's like saying, i don't like what you are saying so i can gut punch you?  that was a really rough time for chicos as it would be for anyone.  some things should be off-limits-bringing up the loss of someone very close to you as a beat-down, is about as low as one can go. 

    not sure of where you draw the line up in the frozen tundra there sully, but this one was pretty cold

I have no idea what PTM was referencing. I was talking about Cheek’s “blame the media” line that he trotted out for no good reason. Just because he knew what the reaction would be. It’s tiring.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Cheeks on December 14, 2019, 10:56:05 AM
Dude is bragging about a 3.1 GPA... FOH

Pretty good for a student athlete and higher than most of the MU players during the Deane era, I can tell you that.  Many student athletes do better, but a crap ton do not...especially in certain sports.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Cheeks on December 14, 2019, 10:57:08 AM
I have no idea what PTM was referencing. I was talking about Cheek’s “blame the media” line that he trotted out for no good reason. Just because he knew what the reaction would be. It’s tiring.

No good reason...the Georgetown player stated it in his response to why he was leaving.  It was literally PART OF HIS COMMENTS, so the reason was that it was listed in his comments.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Cheeks on December 14, 2019, 10:59:39 AM
Biggest excuse by people who do dumb crap. “It wasn’t me but the media...”. The guy was in a police report. The media reported that. The media didn’t make up his situation. They didn’t make him do the dumb crap. He is accused of doing it by someone else who got their roommate to also fill out a report.  That is criminal if they lied.  The media did not do that. And “the media” is really social media responding to the dumb sh*t that he is accused of doing.

Amplification by media can distort reality or downright convict in the public opinion sphere.  Endless examples. 
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2019, 11:01:56 AM
The media didn’t issue the restraining orders against Alexander and Gardner.

Galen Alexander isn’t at Georgetown because of Galen Alexander, not the media.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Cheeks on December 14, 2019, 11:30:47 AM
Who was fired?

In this situation...you can resign or be fired...pick one.   In a different situation during that regime, Monarch was fired.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: TSmith34 on December 14, 2019, 11:43:10 AM

Gee.  I wonder who changed the tone.  Hmmmm....
The thread veers wildly off track, rehashing a political theme...

Common Denominator.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 14, 2019, 12:16:21 PM
No good reason...the Georgetown player stated it in his response to why he was leaving.  It was literally PART OF HIS COMMENTS, so the reason was that it was listed in his comments.


What you said and how you said it was very clear.  Stop playing dumb.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: manesworld on December 14, 2019, 12:42:43 PM
Not what is said but who said it, hey?

Just another hill for Cheeks to die on.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Warrior Code on December 14, 2019, 02:21:41 PM
...And Georgetown goes out and beats Syracuse. The kids who stayed are still battling.

'Cuse will always be one of those teams I automatically root against and probably still will years from now. Same with Louisville.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 14, 2019, 02:24:50 PM
Pretty good for a student athlete and higher than most of the MU players during the Deane era, I can tell you that.  Many student athletes do better, but a crap ton do not...especially in certain sports.

And still far better than the Buzz era.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 14, 2019, 02:30:19 PM
...And Georgetown goes out and beats Syracuse. The kids who stayed are still battling.

'Cuse will always be one of those teams I automatically root against and probably still will years from now. Same with Louisville.

Syracuse isn’t really that good though.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2019, 02:35:38 PM
Syracuse isn’t really that good though.

Georgetown will never apologize for beating Syracuse
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Warrior Code on December 14, 2019, 03:02:40 PM
Syracuse isn’t really that good though.


So?
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 14, 2019, 03:04:14 PM
So "kids battling" against a subpar opponent doesn't really impress me.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Warrior Code on December 14, 2019, 03:20:44 PM
They're down to 7 scholarship players. That would be tough to play through for any program. Beating a rival makes it that much better. Sorry you're not impressed
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: nyg on December 14, 2019, 03:42:11 PM
They're down to 7 scholarship players. That would be tough to play through for any program. Beating a rival makes it that much better. Sorry you're not impressed

Georgetown did not have any foul issues until very late in the game.  That limited the guys coming off the bench.  If in upcoming games they have foul issues, they are in trouble.  Four starters played 36 minutes.

Cuse had foul issues. 
Free throws:  Georgetown 24 for 31
                     Cuse            5 for 9

Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: MU82 on December 14, 2019, 03:46:38 PM
In 1986, my first full year living in Minneapolis, the Gophers had several players dismissed over sexual assault allegations. They were down to 6 scholarship players, and the coach (Jim Dutcher) quit in protest.

Their next game, they stunned an Ohio State team that included future NBA players Dennis Hopson and Brad Sellers. The game after that, they played very tough before losing a close game against Indiana (with Alford), and they then beat Iowa (Roy Marble, Andre Banks, Brad Lohaus, BJ Armstrong). Minnesota's "Iron 5" lineup was getting national attention.

That lasted less than 2 weeks. The Gophers were clobbered by Michigan, the first of 8 straight losses to close out the season.

So we'll see how Georgetown does over the long haul here.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Coleman on December 14, 2019, 04:01:04 PM
Syracuse isn’t really that good though.

Doesn’t matter. It’s their #1 rival. Wisconsin isn’t good this year either. Still a big game. And GTown is completely depleted.

Props to Mac McClung and the other guys who had nothing to do with the crapshow and
are battling. Shows character.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 14, 2019, 04:02:19 PM
Doesn’t matter. It’s their #1 rival. Wisconsin isn’t good this year either. Still a big game. And GTown is completely depleted.

Props to Mac McClung and the other guys who had nothing to do with the crapshow and
are battling. Shows character.


Ugh. Bad sports cliches.

It shows Syracuse isn’t that good.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Warrior Code on December 14, 2019, 04:17:18 PM
Me: Good job beating Syracuse, Georgetown

Scoop:

(https://media.giphy.com/media/uP89pJyXBDqVi/giphy.gif)

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/xNRBrdEaYym76/giphy.gif) 

(https://media.giphy.com/media/yisc7FaqoEfjG/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 14, 2019, 04:42:49 PM
Many thought Georgetown would go 0-3 in this stretch. Impressive wins at Oklahoma State, at SMU and Syracuse.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: MU82 on December 14, 2019, 05:07:18 PM
I certainly was not giving GT a thumbs-down. Glad they got some impressive wins for the BEast.

Just saying it's too early to tell how good they will be during the conference season because having so few scholarship players, and losing a pretty dynamic (at least at times) PG, could take its toll.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Warrior Code on December 14, 2019, 08:31:56 PM
I certainly was not giving GT a thumbs-down. Glad they got some impressive wins for the BEast.

Just saying it's too early to tell how good they will be during the conference season because having so few scholarship players, and losing a pretty dynamic (at least at times) PG, could take its toll.


Ha, you're fine. Just wasn't expecting the pushback on a post saying a Georgetown must have tried hard/I'm glad Syracuse lost 
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Eldon on December 14, 2019, 09:53:24 PM
Boeheim trashes Akinjo.

https://sports.yahoo.com/jim-boeheim-does-not-mince-003358654.html
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 14, 2019, 10:53:20 PM
And still far better than the Buzz era.

And still far better than the Crean era.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 14, 2019, 11:03:36 PM
Boeheim trashes Akinjo.

https://sports.yahoo.com/jim-boeheim-does-not-mince-003358654.html

Boeheim not a big fan of hero ball.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 14, 2019, 11:21:25 PM
Boeheim not a big fan of hero ball.

More specifically for those that did not read it, he doesn’t like Ankinjos brand of hero ball.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Phuket MU Fan on December 15, 2019, 03:22:56 AM
Boeheim trashes Akinjo.

https://sports.yahoo.com/jim-boeheim-does-not-mince-003358654.html

Kind of surprised at the comments.  I can’t remember a time when a coach publicly slammed a player like that. Not a good look.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: MU82 on December 15, 2019, 06:37:47 AM
1. Boeheim thought he was supporting Ewing, but his comments actually were a slap at Ewing's inability to coach Akinjo.

2. Boeheim was mostly right about Akinjo, of course, but he sounded like a complete a-hole.

3. He should worry a little more about his own horsecrud team.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Cheeks on December 15, 2019, 10:23:11 AM
And still far better than the Buzz era.

Correct.  Our APR also was in slide mode under Buzz....but just baby...just win.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 15, 2019, 11:37:39 AM
Correct.  Our APR also was in slide mode under Buzz....but just baby...just win.

Our nadir (by far) in APR was under Tommy Naismith (aka CTC).

APR has been around for 14 years. Our 2 worst years were 2004-5 and 2005-06 (918 and 927). Buzz's worst year = 949. Our last 2 years (Wojo) = 950 and 955.

Conclusion? We did win more often in the Buzz era (hard, cold facts) but we didn't sacrifice APR to do it.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Cheeks on December 15, 2019, 12:16:04 PM
Our nadir (by far) in APR was under Tommy Naismith (aka CTC).

APR has been around for 14 years. Our 2 worst years were 2004-5 and 2005-06 (918 and 927). Buzz's worst year = 949. Our last 2 years (Wojo) = 950 and 955.

Conclusion? We did win more often in the Buzz era (hard, cold facts) but we didn't sacrifice APR to do it.

You clearly do not understand how APR is measured and the timing as evidenced by this response of yours.  Congratulations.  Cold hard facts as interpreted by Lenny....facts only attached to his view and not shared by the NCAA.  LOL.

Try again.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: real chili 83 on December 15, 2019, 01:02:33 PM
Have you two gotten a room yet?

No pics, please.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 15, 2019, 01:09:41 PM
1. Boeheim thought he was supporting Ewing, but his comments actually were a slap at Ewing's inability to coach Akinjo.

2. Boeheim was mostly right about Akinjo, of course, but he sounded like a complete a-hole.

3. He should worry a little more about his own horsecrud team.

Time to rename this thread 'Syracuse Hiroshima'!
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: manesworld on December 15, 2019, 01:11:01 PM
Superbar
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 15, 2019, 02:38:44 PM
And still far better than the Crean era.

Nope. Crean players didn’t need summer school just to get eligible for the following season. During much of Crean’s era you couldn’t practice over the summer and keep players around so guys had to be eligible at the end of the academic year.

APR also changed while Buzz was around allowing you to get a point back for transfers.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 15, 2019, 02:46:45 PM
You clearly do not understand how APR is measured and the timing as evidenced by this response of yours.  Congratulations.  Cold hard facts as interpreted by Lenny....facts only attached to his view and not shared by the NCAA.  LOL.

Try again.

My facts are numbers and years covered that are not in dispute. What "interpretation" do you want to add? Were 2004-05 and 2005-06 not part of the Crean era? Are 918 and 927 not lower than 949? Are 950 and 955 not just about the same as 949? LOL indeed.

Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: dinger on December 15, 2019, 03:26:28 PM
Many thought Georgetown would go 0-3 in this stretch. Impressive wins at Oklahoma State, at SMU and Syracuse.
Definitely goes to show team, at least temporarily, sticks together and plays better once the locker room distractions are cleared out. Even if those distractions are caused by major players. Makes you wonder what would have happened if a couple guys on our team last year would have been told to ride the pine instead of giving them extended minutes and shots.
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: burger on December 15, 2019, 06:33:26 PM
Addition by subtraction......

AAU ball does not get you to the Tourney.....

James your G-league slot is available.....
Title: Re: Georgetown Hiroshima
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 15, 2019, 06:40:28 PM
Guys they beat a poor Syracuse team. Call me when they are accomplishing something in BE play.