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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: TallTitan34 on April 22, 2019, 10:53:16 AM
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@jamalcain24
Special group! Nothing but big things coming our way!
#AAA #B4L
https://twitter.com/jamalcain24/status/1120352403675656193 (https://twitter.com/jamalcain24/status/1120352403675656193)
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I for one am excited for the guys that do want to be here. We are still a good team and I look forward to next season!
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Clearly they know what's being said and talked about. Looks like this is good news for no more attrition. Gotta move forward.
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The Warrior fan base needed this. Thanks for posting TT!
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Saw this on Instagram yesterday. Then Koby and Markus reposted it on their stories. Great stuff
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Unfortunately when Jamal says "big things coming our way" That BIG thing is now likely a top 25 ceiling, as opposed to the top 5 and potential 1 seed they had previously. :-\
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Unfortunately when Jamal says "big things coming our way" That BIG thing is now likely a top 25 ceiling, as opposed to the top 5 and potential 1 seed they had previously. :-\
Don’t spin a much needed positive into a negative
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I'm assuming this was an old picture given that the team was most likely back in their respective home cities until today.
But hopefully the full team has this mentality. Either you're with us or you're against us.
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In it to win it.
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In it to win it.
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Unfortunately when Jamal says "big things coming our way" That BIG thing is now likely a top 25 ceiling, as opposed to the top 5 and potential 1 seed they had previously. :-\
Sounds like someone needs to change their name from muguru to muhater!
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I'm assuming this was an old picture given that the team was most likely back in their respective home cities until today.
But hopefully the full team has this mentality. Either you're with us or you're against us.
It is a bit old. I remember seeing it when they first took it and thinking "I wonder why heldt or the Hausers aren't in"
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Yup. The best revenge is living well. And kicking their ass.
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Unfortunately when Jamal says "big things coming our way" That BIG thing is now likely a top 25 ceiling, as opposed to the top 5 and potential 1 seed they had previously. :-\
Live look at muguru.
(http://cleansegirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/guy-with-cloud-over-his-head.jpg)
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It is great that these guys can hang together during this adverse time. Wojo needs to be getting them help immediately.
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Sounds like someone needs to change their name from muguru to muhater!
LMAO, hater?? Good one. I'm one of the few that believes/wants the program to become elite again.
Saying their ceiling is now most likely top 25 instead of top 5 is FAR from hating...it's reality unfortunately, and that kills me to have to accept, but here we are..
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It is great that these guys can hang together during this adverse time. Wojo needs to be getting them help immediately.
It took 7,000 posts but finally something you said didn't make me roll my eyes... all kidding aside, I agree it is nice to see the group staying tight when there is alot of negativity around
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LMAO, hater?? Good one. I'm one of the few that believes/wants the program to become elite again.
Saying their ceiling is now most likely top 25 instead of top 5 is FAR from hating...it's reality unfortunately, and that kills me to have to accept, but here we are..
I highly doubt that it is a small list of names that would like to see MU be "elite" again
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Y'all are misinterpreting this photo.
Ed and Ike are looking down and away, like they want to not be there.
Theo isnt smiling, probably ready to slam Markus to the ground
Bailey seems distant from the rest of the bunch. Serious disconnect there.
Smoke and fire, boys. Smoke and fire, aina.
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@jamalcain24
Special group! Nothing but big things coming our way!
#AAA #B4L
https://twitter.com/jamalcain24/status/1120352403675656193 (https://twitter.com/jamalcain24/status/1120352403675656193)
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Thank you for posting! I have pointed out in great statistical detail that Markus shooting is a huge plus and not a negative, to which the few fans who hate having an All-American on their team seem to imply he's a big locker room issue or something that somehow offsets being one of the greatest scorers in the game.
What if the locker room issue really was the hausers?
Statistically I can't deny they are good.
However their departure does remind me of my conversation with the coach of jae Crowder's dad down here in Alabama (buddy Knapp coached in GA and Al) .Corey Crowder's starting teammates in high school were killed in an auto accident. The team decided had a meeting to decide whether or not to even continue the season. Corey not only LED them to continue this season but an unbelievable state title with the reserves that were left.
Luckily we aren't dealing with any kind of tragedy like that, but we have a lot of talent and Cain and Bailey's minutes were cut drastically to try to make Joey work through a two-month slump and Joey just never came back for us. I'm looking forward to the next season and let's just see where it goes.
I also remember when one of Alabama's most prominent boosters walked alongside new Alabama coach Nick saban to start to to give suggestions like we see on this page from some re what he thought would work on personnel and saban responded I don't have time for this crap and continued walking. Unfortunately for me as an Auburn resident that was the key moment that turned around the program from years of whiners to an incredible run.
If the hausers were trying to tell Wojo how to run the team then I'm glad the page is turned. Obviously if current players have an issue with him or anyone else then I hope that's worked out a locker room but it really has nothing to do with the rest of us on the outside.
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I need proof of life. Now, if they were holding a copy of today's newspaper........................
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Yup. The best revenge is living well. And kicking their ass.
Whose ass?
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With a thread title like this, I thought I was going to read that the Hausers changed their minds or we landed Kerry Blackshear or something. It’s nice that no one else is transferring, but this is now a fringe top 25 team at best.
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Unfortunately when Jamal says "big things coming our way" That BIG thing is now likely a top 25 ceiling, as opposed to the top 5 and potential 1 seed they had previously. :-\
If they don't get a 1 seed, we'll only have you to blame for not competing hard enough from the stands.
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Whose ass?
Everyone who gets in their way.
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With a thread title like this, I thought I was going to read that the Hausers changed their minds or we landed Kerry Blackshear or something. It’s nice that no one else is transferring, but this is now a fringe top 25 team at best.
Maybe. Haven't run the math yet but fringe top 25 does sound right (assuming no more defections or additions). But teams can outperform (or underperform) preseason expectations. Im looking forward to seeing if this group can get it done.
I posted a while ago that the toughest are forged by adversity. Losing the Hausers is a whole pile of adversity. Im hoping this strengthens our team instead of breaking them.
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The insiders like guru and Jon have seen this picture weeks ago fellas. It was the same picture they sent to them when they informed them that had all just signed the letter and had given their “no-confidence “ votes.
Old news u uninforned losers
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Unfortunately when Jamal says "big things coming our way" That BIG thing is now likely a top 25 ceiling, as opposed to the top 5 and potential 1 seed they had previously. :-\
WRONG
Guru are always wrong in life too?, or just on this board?
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Y'all are misinterpreting this photo.
Ed and Ike are looking down and away, like they want to not be there.
Theo isnt smiling, probably ready to slam Markus to the ground
Bailey seems distant from the rest of the bunch. Serious disconnect there.
Smoke and fire, boys. Smoke and fire, aina.
And you didn't even mention that Ike's back is so bad, he can't stand up straight!
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Picture tells a thousand words.
We need Stan and We need Stan now.
Wojo needs to be sent to pasture.
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But teams can outperform (or underperform) preseason expectations.
Truer words have never been written.
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Don’t spin a much needed positive into a negative
^5
I am so tired of the negative, time to MoveOn. Stop worrying about things you have no control over!
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Picture tells a thousand words.
We need Stan and We need Stan now.
Wojo needs to be sent to pasture.
Pretty sure we already have Stan
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Thank you for posting! I have pointed out in great statistical detail that Markus shooting is a huge plus and not a negative, to which the few fans who hate having an All-American on their team seem to imply he's a big locker room issue or something that somehow offsets being one of the greatest scorers in the game.
What if the locker room issue really was the hausers?
Statistically I can't deny they are good.
However their departure does remind me of my conversation with the coach of jae Crowder's dad down here in Alabama (buddy Knapp coached in GA and Al) .Corey Crowder's starting teammates in high school were killed in an auto accident. The team decided had a meeting to decide whether or not to even continue the season. Corey not only LED them to continue this season but an unbelievable state title with the reserves that were left.
Luckily we aren't dealing with any kind of tragedy like that, but we have a lot of talent and Cain and Bailey's minutes were cut drastically to try to make Joey work through a two-month slump and Joey just never came back for us. I'm looking forward to the next season and let's just see where it goes.
I also remember when one of Alabama's most prominent boosters walked alongside new Alabama coach Nick saban to start to to give suggestions like we see on this page from some re what he thought would work on personnel and saban responded I don't have time for this crap and continued walking. Unfortunately for me as an Auburn resident that was the key moment that turned around the program from years of whiners to an incredible run.
If the hausers were trying to tell Wojo how to run the team then I'm glad the page is turned. Obviously if current players have an issue with him or anyone else then I hope that's worked out a locker room but it really has nothing to do with the rest of us on the outside.
So you use quantitative evidence to support Markus jacking up tons of shots. Then qualitative remarks to question if the Hausers' were the issues in the locker room. Back to quantitative to say the Hausers' are good ball players. Back to qualitative to say it really has nothing to do with anyone outside of the locker room (after questioning if the Hausers' were the issue)...and a comparison to a HS team that endured a huge loss and persevered.
I think many are making a qualitative observation that there is evidence that Markus jacking up shots at a ridiculous rate was not the best thing for the program. That evidence would possibly be:
-A letter that sounds like had support beyond the Hausers' was given to Wojo
-Wojo himself alluded to Markus needing to learn to distribute the ball better
-A late season collapse
-Two players who were very solid leaving the program
-A top 10 team not being a fringe top 25 team
The blame is on Wojo. While I don't enjoy Markus' play, I would assume he is doing exactly what is asked of him or he is doing what you questioned the Hauser boys of doing (telling Wojo how to run the team). The only difference would be the Hauser boys did as Wojo asked...then decided to leave...while Markus just continues to do what he wants. Either way...it's on Wojo to keep a team together...or make changes that will result in the team being better. I'm not feeling like that happened here...though I hope like hell I'm wrong.
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Interesting how everyone assumes that a team with the exact players who went 1-6 when the games really counted would be a top 5 team next year.
Brendan and Koby will replace the Hausers and should put up similar numbers next year as those two did - minus a couple rebounds a game, but better defense.
Where we will get hurt is depth-wise if we don't get a decent grad transfer or two.
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Interesting how everyone assumes that a team with the exact players who went 1-6 when the games really counted would be a top 5 team next year.
Brendan and Koby will replace the Hausers and should put up similar numbers next year as those two did - minus a couple rebounds a game, but better defense.
Where we will get hurt is depth-wise if we don't get a decent grad transfer or two.
You hit the nail on the head...everyone talks about how there's reason to be optimistic because Brendan, Jamal etc will just step up and MU will be ok. That may be true. However, in order to make up for the production leaving now you will have to use 3-5 guys from your depth to cover that(where as before it was 2 covering it). In an ideal world, I would like to see a "trade" if you will. Two guys leaving that averaged about 25/12...so what you'd like to do is bring in two guys that can cover as much of that as possible, and then your depth stays as your depth and it's not like you miss much of a beat at all.
Easier said then done, I know, but I'm going to hope for this, until there isn't any hope to have.
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Maybe. Haven't run the math yet but fringe top 25 does sound right (assuming no more defections or additions). But teams can outperform (or underperform) preseason expectations. Im looking forward to seeing if this group can get it done.
I posted a while ago that the toughest are forged by adversity. Losing the Hausers is a whole pile of adversity. Im hoping this strengthens our team instead of breaking them.
I've been thinking about this the past few days...
A couple weeks ago there was a high likelihood of underperforming lofty expectations (ex. ranked ~15 vs. top 5)
Now this team will likely enter the season unranked, and as long as they stay healthy I could see a significant outperformance vs. expectations (ex. ranked 20 vs. bubble expectation), with a highly entertaining team/chip on shoulder junkyard dog mentality we haven't yet seen under Wojo.
Potential to be a very fun season with easy to root for guys. Also major potential for Wojo to put his stamp on the program for years to come. I hope he's up to the task.
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You hit the nail on the head...everyone talks about how there's reason to be optimistic because Brendan, Jamal etc will just step up and MU will be ok. That may be true. However, in order to make up for the production leaving now you will have to use 3-5 guys from your depth to cover that(where as before it was 2 covering it). In an ideal world, I would like to see a "trade" if you will. Two guys leaving that averaged about 25/12...so what you'd like to do is bring in two guys that can cover as much of that as possible, and then your depth stays as your depth and it's not like you miss much of a beat at all.
Easier said then done, I know, but I'm going to hope for this, until there isn't any hope to have.
Horribly stated.
Ur really focused on the lost production of Joey arent u? Was it his turnovers or turnstile defense that u belive will be the hardest to replace?
I couldnt for the life of me understand how Joey got so much time. Its now clear that Wojo was attempting to placate the crybabies and their parents.
We have better players on the roster than Joey that will step right in and we will not miss a beat. Bailey is a better player than Joey. Will we miss Sam for one year on offense? Yes, however, the defensive improvements at Sams spot may go along way to mitigate his loss on offense.
I think MU is gonna be waaay better than peolpe think
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You hit the nail on the head...everyone talks about how there's reason to be optimistic because Brendan, Jamal etc will just step up and MU will be ok. That may be true. However, in order to make up for the production leaving now you will have to use 3-5 guys from your depth to cover that(where as before it was 2 covering it). In an ideal world, I would like to see a "trade" if you will. Two guys leaving that averaged about 25/12...so what you'd like to do is bring in two guys that can cover as much of that as possible, and then your depth stays as your depth and it's not like you miss much of a beat at all.
Easier said then done, I know, but I'm going to hope for this, until there isn't any hope to have.
We also have two guys that should be significant contributors in GE and KM that did not play last year. Granted, they play different positions and we'll probably see more 3 guard lineups.
I don't disagree that more depth is needed but I don't think any another potential transfers or additions need to put up 25/12 between them to account for the lost numbers. I'm more hopeful that if we are able to add depth it is with the skills the team may be more in need of now (3 point shooting, rebounding).
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Live look at muguru.
(http://cleansegirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/guy-with-cloud-over-his-head.jpg)
Must be the wrong webcam... I see neither a shovel in his hand nor a hole in the ground.
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You hit the nail on the head...everyone talks about how there's reason to be optimistic because Brendan, Jamal etc will just step up and MU will be ok. That may be true. However, in order to make up for the production leaving now you will have to use 3-5 guys from your depth to cover that(where as before it was 2 covering it). In an ideal world, I would like to see a "trade" if you will. Two guys leaving that averaged about 25/12...so what you'd like to do is bring in two guys that can cover as much of that as possible, and then your depth stays as your depth and it's not like you miss much of a beat at all.
Easier said then done, I know, but I'm going to hope for this, until there isn't any hope to have.
Not exactly. What we need to replace is numbers off the bench. I think Brendan/Kobe will replace Hauser numbers.
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Must be the wrong webcam... I see neither a shovel in his hand nor a hole in the ground.
Actually there should be sun everywhere EXCEPT for the cloud over GURU.
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Horribly stated.
Ur really focused on the lost production of Joey arent u? Was it his turnovers or turnstile defense that u belive will be the hardest to replace?
I couldnt for the life of me understand how Joey got so much time. Its now clear that Wojo was attempting to placate the crybabies and their parents.
We have better players on the roster than Joey that will step right in and we will not miss a beat. Bailey is a better player than Joey. Will we miss Sam for one year on offense? Yes, however, the defensive improvements at Sams spot may go along way to mitigate his loss on offense.
I think MU is gonna be waaay better than peolpe think
No, actually, I'm not that worried about covering Joey's production..but Sam's offensive production will be VERY tough to replace, at least from one guy.
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I follow Jamal and a couple other players on Instagram, Jamal posted this a day or two ago and Sam actually liked the picture.
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Not exactly. What we need to replace is numbers off the bench. I think Brendan/Kobe will replace Hauser numbers.
Right, they likely could replace the Hauser's #'s...but now that's needed, where as before anything they added was in ADDITION to what the Hauser's also added. For example..I really believed that next year it was highly possible we would see 50PPG combined from Markus, Sam and Koby. Now, with what's coming back, it might take Markus, Koby and say Brendan and Greg to average that, at least. Where as whatever Greg, Brendan, Jamal etc would have otherwise added was just going to be a very nice addition to the other 3.
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but Sam's offensive production will be VERY tough to replace, at least from one guy.
I'd love to know how many guys who played major minutes in D1 had 46/40/92 shooting slash lines.
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No, actually, I'm not that worried about covering Joey's production..but Sam's offensive production will be VERY tough to replace, at least from one guy.
Well you stated that it would take 3-5 guys to cover the lost production of the 2. That is absolute n complete horse$hit. Joeys offense will easily be matched, his turnovers reduced, and his defense was the worst on the team and maybe the entire BE. Therefore, we will be better at the 3 next year than we were this year. In Sams spot we will be worse at offense and better at defense. Therefore the improvement on defense at two spots and the reduced turnovers at Joeys spot will go a tremendous way in negating the loss of Sams offense. Improvement by the other players likely results in a better teamnext year than this.
The preseason prognostications that had us top 5 were pie in the sky. No Top 5 team has two unathletic turnstiles on defense in their starting lineups.
This team is instantly leaps and bounds more athletic and better defensively next year. No longer will we see teams like SJU, Georgetown, and Seton Hall make us look unathletic and slow on every defensive possesion. While our defense was improved this year it still wasnt any good. It just got good. MU will be good. If Hausers go to Wisconsin it will be like a hand in a glove. Unathletic 1940s bball will appeal to nortwoods wisconsin kids and fans of “Hoosiers”.
Im extremely excited that MU will once again be an athletic good on defense team. More in the style of some of Buzzs and Creans teams with long atletic players in the 2-3-4 spots. Maybe we wont be last in the league anymore in steals, which in of itself isnt a big deal, but its speaks volumes to what ailed this team.
Sign me up for the excited about 2019-20 season mailing list
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I'd love to know how many guys who played major minutes in D1 had 46/40/92 shooting slash lines.
Not very many, but I was looking at it in the simplest terms possible..15PPG and 7RPG. There are a couple of guys out there that are grad transfers that could fill that void. But it's highly unlikely they come to MU.
One underrated aspect that I think people aren't paying enough attention to..never mind the VERY good 3P shooting, they are leaving behind...but the FT shooting MU will be losing, can not be understated.
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It took 7,000 posts but finally something you said didn't make me roll my eyes... all kidding aside, I agree it is nice to see the group staying tight when there is alot of negativity around
Doubt that you have read 7000 posts because if you had, you would have found many that did not cause your eyes to roll. Been an MU fan for a long time, just do not swallow all the Kool Aid that some do.
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Interesting how everyone assumes that a team with the exact players who went 1-6 when the games really counted would be a top 5 team next year.
Brendan and Koby will replace the Hausers and should put up similar numbers next year as those two did - minus a couple rebounds a game, but better defense.
Where we will get hurt is depth-wise if we don't get a decent grad transfer or two.
Some people out there just don't realize what we lost. Sam was MU's best player. Rebounding, scoring, leading FT shooting, 3 point shooting, and his defense was underrated. His game cannot be replaced next year, and it sure as hell won't be by Bailey.
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but the FT shooting MU will be losing, can not be understated.
Holy crap. You haven't been paying attention. FTA > FTM
I mean, statistically. http://theseason.gc.com/basketball-free-throw-rate
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Some people out there just don't realize what we lost. Sam was MU's best player.
Nope.
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I follow Jamal and a couple other players on Instagram, Jamal posted this a day or two ago and Sam actually liked the picture.
That awkward post-breakup period where you promise you'll still be friends...
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Holy crap. You haven't been paying attention. FTA > FTM
I mean, statistically. http://theseason.gc.com/basketball-free-throw-rate
If that is true on a macro level - and all evidence points to that - we should be better when it comes to free throws as Cain, Elliott, and Bailey will get more attempts slashing in the lane.
I think what people worry about when they say this is micro level, end of game situations. FT% in the last two minutes of close games is very important.
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If that is true on a macro level - and all evidence points to that - we should be better when it comes to free throws as Cain, Elliott, and Bailey will get more attempts slashing in the lane.
I think what people worry about when they say this is micro level, end of game situations. FT% in the last two minutes of close games is very important.
So much this...now in the last two minutes of games, when MU is trying to close out a win at the FT line, who in the hell do you feel confident in(besides Markus), that's going to knock them down?? Certainly not Sacar or Jamal. Koby wasn't a great FT shooter at Utah State. Greg isn't great. No way in hell Theo/Ed are going to knock them down. This could end up being a MAJOR problem.
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Right, they likely could replace the Hauser's #'s...but now that's needed, where as before anything they added was in ADDITION to what the Hauser's also added. For example..I really believed that next year it was highly possible we would see 50PPG combined from Markus, Sam and Koby. Now, with what's coming back, it might take Markus, Koby and say Brendan and Greg to average that, at least. Where as whatever Greg, Brendan, Jamal etc would have otherwise added was just going to be a very nice addition to the other 3.
I think Sam and Joey would have been an important part of our team but I don't think that the best team would have had them both on the floor at the same time. Sam and Joey are both better stretch fours. With Greg and potentially Koby on the team that would push Markus from PG to the 2 which would move Sacar to the three. Sacar needed to be on the floor to guard the best player on the other team. If that is the case Sam would have moved to the 4 moving Joey to the bench. At times Joey may have moved to the 5 but in a 4 out 1in system he loses his value at the 5. Part of the problem last year was the players were playing out of position. Throw in Bailey who I felt was playing better at then of the season also at the four and it becomes a competitive position. Did it play a role in Sam and Joey leaving? Probably did but there were probably other factors as well.
I don't see Sam at a three in the NBA as he isn't as athletic as others in that position. Neither Sam or Joey are as athletic as Dekker. I think a slow down offense like UW would suit them better.
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So just give the ball to Markus. Or, maybe Greg and Koby improved in their year off.
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So much this...now in the last two minutes of games, when MU is trying to close out a win at the FT line, who in the hell do you feel confident in(besides Markus), that's going to knock them down?? Certainly not Sacar or Jamal. Koby wasn't a great FT shooter at Utah State. Greg isn't great. No way in hell Theo/Ed are going to knock them down. This could end up being a MAJOR problem.
Ed, Sacar, and Brendan all knocked down clutch FTs this season, so they have it in them, not really going to worry about it.
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Ed, Sacar, and Brendan all knocked down clutch FTs this season, so they have it in them, not really going to worry about it.
So you're going to tell me that you feel 100% confident that those three can consistently knock them down in end of game situations?? and by end of game, I mean consistently make at least 75-80%??
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Far more worried about defensive rebounding than I am about end of game free throws.
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Not very many, but I was looking at it in the simplest terms possible..15PPG and 7RPG. There are a couple of guys out there that are grad transfers that could fill that void. But it's highly unlikely they come to MU.
One underrated aspect that I think people aren't paying enough attention to..never mind the VERY good 3P shooting, they are leaving behind...but the FT shooting MU will be losing, can not be understated.
The Hauser boys brought some quality skills to the table . I hope they do well wherever the end up. However, I am very enthusiastic about the skills Brendan and Jamal will bring to the table as well. Throwing in Kobey and Greg we should have a very solid Big East style team.
We are going to be more of a Providence style team surrounding Markus. Going into last season I felt Markus was primed to average 24-25 a game. I think this year with the athletes he will have around him, he may move that up to the 27-28 range. With all the slashing and dishing going on the opponents will have to respect that and Markus may find himself wide open again the way he was freshman year.
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Far more worried about defensive rebounding than I am about end of game free throws.
Not an unwarranted concern, but Jamal was a better defensive rebounder (small sample size, I know) than either of the Hausers last year, and Koby was an outstanding defensive rebounder at Utah State.
But I'd really like to see MU add another option at the four before all is said and done.
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Ed, Sacar, and Brendan all knocked down clutch FTs this season, so they have it in them, not really going to worry about it.
And I recall Markus and Joey missing some clutch free throws. I'd be interested to see percentages for some of these guys in the last few minutes of close games.
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Love the photo, and I'm not gonna muck up this mostly positive thread by dealing with the negative vibes of a few Scoopers who are only happy when they can whine about something.
Looking forward to cheering on Warriors who want to be Warriors next season.
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Nope.
You never did know basketball. Dam ess absolutely Mu's best player, and most here know that.
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I am sure Sam was the best player, but likely the most important player.
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Horribly stated.
Ur really focused on the lost production of Joey arent u? Was it his turnovers or turnstile defense that u belive will be the hardest to replace?
I couldnt for the life of me understand how Joey got so much time. Its now clear that Wojo was attempting to placate the crybabies and their parents.
We have better players on the roster than Joey that will step right in and we will not miss a beat. Bailey is a better player than Joey. Will we miss Sam for one year on offense? Yes, however, the defensive improvements at Sams spot may go along way to mitigate his loss on offense.
I think MU is gonna be waaay better than peolpe think
Markus had a hard time getting anything but a step back with 2 guys shooting over 40% from the 3pt line. Until the other players can do that...i wont hold my breath that we will be better next year then we even were this year.
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Markus had a hard time getting anything but a step back with 2 guys shooting over 40% from the 3pt line. Until the other players can do that...i wont hold my breath that we will be better next year then we even were this year.
Simply untrue.
Howard's crossover dribble was much improved his Junior season creating space. He hit floaters, pull-ups, jab jumpers. His finishing at the rim through contact was better.
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Unfortunately when Jamal says "big things coming our way" That BIG thing is now likely a top 25 ceiling, as opposed to the top 5 and potential 1 seed they had previously. :-\
sounds like a little subliminal criticism of the players here to me
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sounds like a little subliminal criticism of the players here to me
No, but let's be honest, when you lose two players the caliber of the Hauser's, it's going to leave a mark. I'd love to see them be as good as they were projected to be with the Hauser's...but I don't think that will happen..maybe with a couple of the right outside additions, but likely not even then unfortunately.
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Guru
I hope the replacement guys end up being as good as the Hausers, but who is going to back them up?
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Simply untrue.
Howard's crossover dribble was much improved his Junior season creating space. He hit floaters, pull-ups, jab jumpers. His finishing at the rim through contact was better.
Better...sure. FAR from anything that worried teams...they ran him off the line...especially towards the end of the year. It wont get any easier with two guys who shot over 40% from 3 now gone and a complete inability to scare anyone with his passing abilities. Teams will run him off the line and the double can come from anywhere until guys prove they can hit 3's and Howard proves he can drive and kick.
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Guru
I hope the replacement guys end up being as good as the Hausers, but who is going to back them up?
5-Theo, Ed , Ike( if Healthy)
3-4 Brendan, Jamal, Sacar
1-2 Markus, Greg, Koby
Dexter should redshirt and only play in event of emergency
Target a couple of Pogo Stick grad transfers
Everyone should be happy with their role
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but the FT shooting MU will be losing, can not be understated.
#FTsNoMatta
Sam didn't get to the line much. That matters.
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#FTsNoMatta
Sam didn't get to the line much. That matters.
Most of his FTs were at the end of the game. Those matta.
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Most of his FTs were at the end of the game. Those matta.
Is this numbers driven or memory driven?
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Is this numbers driven or memory driven?
Just what it is. Sam was mostly on the perimeter. His FTs mostly came down the stretch.
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I remember when Odartey Blankson quit and Cordell Henry graduated in 2002. I thought all was lost for a talented MU team that flamed out in Round 1.
But like all things in life, one door closes and another door opens. Keep the faith.
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Is this numbers driven or memory driven?
He made it up.
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Just what it is. Sam was mostly on the perimeter. His FTs mostly came down the stretch.
I ask because I don't remember Sam shooting FTs. Doesn't stand out. But now I see why it doesn't.
Sam didn't shoot a FT in 1/3 of our games. He shot a total of 20 FTs in February and March.
#FTsNoMatta
Sam didn't get to the line much. That matters.
As pointed out here Sam didn't get to the line much. In fact, looking at the numbers, it's shocking how rare it was for Sam to shoot FTs.
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I mentioned last week that not everyone is upset by the departures based on what the team and their student peers were saying. Not that they didn’t like the Hausers, but they have moved on and are ready to accept who they are as a team. People that want to be there and are bought into the team and staff.
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Just what it is. Sam was mostly on the perimeter. His FTs mostly came down the stretch.
I think you're misremembering. I looked up the play-by-play for all conference games (18 regular + 2 BET) to see when his final FTs of the game were attempted.
I don't know what you define as "Down the Stretch", but lets say for argument's sake that it's the final two minutes of the game.
There were only 4 games where Sam attempted FTs down the stretch.
Incredibly, there were 8 games where Sam didn't attempt any free throws at all the entire second half.
So let's double the "down the stretch" time to include the last four minutes--it's still only 8 of 20 conference games where he scored down the stretch.
@ Seton Hall: Last FT taken w/11:24 to go
Xavier: No 2H FTs
@CU: No 2H (or OT) FTs
Seton Hall: Last FTs w/0:01
@Georgetown: Last FTs w/0:02
Providence: Last FTs w/3:58
DePaul: Last FTs w/0:48
@Xavier: Last FTS at 7:22
@Butler: Last FTs w/3:24
St. Johns: Last FTs w/11:55
Villanova: No 2h FTs
@DePaul: Last FTs w/6:50
Butler: Last FTs w/1:23
@PC: No 2H FTs
@Villanova: No 2H FTs
Creighton: No 2H FTs
@Seton Hall: No 2H FTs
Georgetown: Last FTs w/2:30
St. Johns (BET): No 2nd half FTs
Seton Hall (BET): Last FTs w/3:53
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It's hard to get many FTs when you just stand outside the 3-point line.
Sam occasionally went to the post with good results, but just as often he'd get down there, get the ball, and then kick it back out rather than take a shot or make a move. I would yell at the TV screen for him to shoot!
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Interesting that in 5 of Mus last 7 games that sam did not shoot a single second half FT. Yet some are putting the swoon solely on Markus. The housers stuuunk the last 7
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I ask because I don't remember Sam shooting FTs. Doesn't stand out. But now I see why it doesn't.
Sam didn't shoot a FT in 1/3 of our games. He shot a total of 20 FTs in February and March.
As pointed out here Sam didn't get to the line much. In fact, looking at the numbers, it's shocking how rare it was for Sam to shoot FTs.
Absolutely! It is so much more important to be able to draw fouls than to shoot free throws well unless you are really bad at the line like Happ.
Markus was the 5th best at drawing fouls in the country at 7.2% while Sam was just 3% because neither jumpers or backing around for a turnaround leads to many fouls. For basic estimates let's say every 2 ft the player took was one possession and the team would have averaged one point per possession if something else happened (these assumptions are almost exactly average).
Howard's 227 of 255 was 89% but gave Marquette 99 more points than they would have scored otherwise.
Sam's 73 of 79 was 92% but only gave Marquette 39 more points than they would have scored.
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Interesting that in 5 of Mus last 7 games that sam did not shoot a single second half FT. Yet some are putting the swoon solely on Markus. The housers stuuunk the last 7
I really do think value add ties all the numbers into one stat, and here is my take on the 3:
Yes, Joey was terrible the last several weeks. He was one of the top few hundred players of 4000 total college players (top 10% for sure) and he was not one of the best 1000 players in the country try after that. If Bailey and Cain took all his minutes MU would have won all the close games they lost of those last 7 if Joey had not played.
Markus was the 6th best player until he landed on the wrist Feb 27, and fell to 22nd after that because he played like a first team all conference player as opposed to a first team all American until Feb 27 - but still awesome.
Sam actually finished strong overall and actually moved up several spots to 28th for the season so you can't put blame him or Markus.
If Wojo could be blamed for anything it would be not benching Joey - but I can't imagine the haters on the boards if that happened and then they left.
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I think MU is gonna be waaay better than peolpe think
Consensus on this board seems to be borderline top 25. So let's say #30. Way better than that is what, #20? Waay better than that would be what, #10? Waaay better (your prediction) would be what, #1 or #2?
Really?
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I really do think value add ties all the numbers into one stat, and here is my take on the 3:
Yes, Joey was terrible the last several weeks. He was one of the top few hundred players of 4000 total college players (top 10% for sure) and he was not one of the best 1000 players in the country try after that. If Bailey and Cain took all his minutes MU would have won all the close games they lost of those last 7 if Joey had not played.
Markus was the 6th best player until he landed on the wrist Feb 27, and fell to 22nd after that because he played like a first team all conference player as opposed to a first team all American until Feb 27 - but still awesome.
Sam actually finished strong overall and actually moved up several spots to 28th for the season so you can't put blame him or Markus.
If Wojo could be blamed for anything it would be not benching Joey - but I can't imagine the haters on the boards if that happened and then they left.
Exactly!
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Better...sure. FAR from anything that worried teams...they ran him off the line...especially towards the end of the year. It wont get any easier with two guys who shot over 40% from 3 now gone and a complete inability to scare anyone with his passing abilities. Teams will run him off the line and the double can come from anywhere until guys prove they can hit 3's and Howard proves he can drive and kick.
This sounds like you think Howard will still be running the point. With Howard playing the two the offense becomes more versatile.
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Holy crap. You haven't been paying attention. FTA > FTM
A few surprising numbers from last season:
• Theo had more free throw attempts (89) than Sam (79) -- despite taking 259 fewer shots overall.
• Sacar had more two-point field goal attempts (180) than Sam (158).
• Ed had more two-point field goals made and attempted (80-136, 58.8%) than Joey (61-131, 46.6%).
Sam's inside game (or lack thereof)
While Marquette will definitely miss Sam's incredible shooting, his inside game left something to be desired. A well-balanced offense needs players who score in the paint, drawing in defenses and opening up kick-outs to drivers and shooters.
You'd expect a 6-8, 225-pound forward with Sam's skill to contribute more down low. But he just wasn't that big of a factor inside the arc -- only 3rd on the team in 2-point FG attempts and 4th on the team in FT attempts. Sam may have contributed to the offense becoming one-dimensional and over-reliant on the three-point shot as much as anybody.
Who was the best big?
The last stat is a bit of an eye-opener. At times last season, it seemed like Ed threw the ball in the general vicinity of the hoop more than he took good shots. But by the numbers, he was easily more effective down low than Joey. Theo even made more 2-point field goals (71) than Joey, despite playing nearly 10 fewer mpg.
What's to come
Koby and Greg aren't likely to add much post-up offense. And I don't expect either one to shoot 40%+ from three-point range like Sam and Joey. What I do look forward to is having more players in the rotation who can push the ball in transition, break the press, initiate the offense, drive for high-percentage looks near the rim, draw defenders and fouls, and pass to open teammates on the wing.
MU's offense could look very different in the coming season. That might not be a bad thing.
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Koby and Greg aren't likely to add much post-up offense. And I don't expect either one to shoot 40%+ from three-point range like Sam and Joey. What I do look forward to is having more players in the rotation who can push the ball in transition, break the press, initiate the offense, drive for high-percentage looks near the rim, draw defenders and fouls, and pass to open teammates on the wing.
We got very few easy, transition baskets last season. When the 3s were falling, I barely even noticed that. But when they weren't, losing the transition-scoring "battle" by double-digits game after game was noticeable, especially given how close all the games were.
We had few defenders who could poke away the ball or step in front of passes and quickly turn defense into offense. One of them, Cain, was such a liability on offense that he saw very little court time. With McEwen, Elliott, presumably more Cain, presumably more Bailey, and the return of Sacar, hopefully we will make some of the defensive plays that have the double-benefit of stopping the opponent and starting easy offensive possessions for our heroes.
Given that our 3-point percentage is almost sure to take a hit, we likely will need those buckets to win.
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A few surprising numbers from last season:
• Theo had more free throw attempts (89) than Sam (79) -- despite taking 259 fewer shots overall.
• Sacar had more two-point field goal attempts (180) than Sam (158).
• Ed had more two-point field goals made and attempted (80-136, 58.8%) than Joey (61-131, 46.6%).
Sam's inside game (or lack thereof)
While Marquette will definitely miss Sam's incredible shooting, his inside game left something to be desired. A well-balanced offense needs players who score in the paint, drawing in defenses and opening up kick-outs to drivers and shooters.
You'd expect a 6-8, 225-pound forward with Sam's skill to contribute more down low. But he just wasn't that big of a factor inside the arc -- only 3rd on the team in 2-point FG attempts and 4th on the team in FT attempts. Sam may have contributed to the offense becoming one-dimensional and over-reliant on the three-point shot as much as anybody.
None of those bullet points surprise me. As for Sam's inside game, he played the role that maximized his abilities. MU had better interior scorers. He was the guy that was supposed to be kicked out to. He's not going to beat a guy off the dribble.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Bwmk-FxhHpv/
I get the impression that they're fed up with the doubters...
As others have said, playing with a chip on their shoulders may be just what they need. I think Bailey will surprise us the most - it's his gig now.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Bwmk-FxhHpv/
I get the impression that they're fed up with the doubters...
As others have said, playing with a chip on their shoulders may be just what they need. I think Bailey will surprise us the most - it's his gig now.
Note that Sam liked the picture.
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Note that Sam liked the picture.
He is being like an ex that breaks up with you then likes a bunch of stuff on social media and tries to make sure you can't forget her.
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Koby has an 8 pack
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Note that Sam liked the picture.
people said he liked jamals picture in the original post and now people are saying he liked this picture. when i go to the likes and search "hauser" sam doesnt show up.
when i originally searched the likes for "hauser" in jamals post joey had liked it, but now when i search he no longer shows up.
are the hausers liking these pictures and then unliking them? lol.
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Interesting that in 5 of Mus last 7 games that sam did not shoot a single second half FT. Yet some are putting the swoon solely on Markus. The housers stuuunk the last 7
Shows a complete lack of both aggressiveness and athleticism - yet Sam was mad because he didn’t have the ball in his hands more?
And he’s the athletic Hauser :-\
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people said he liked jamals picture in the original post and now people are saying he liked this picture. when i go to the likes and search "hauser" sam doesnt show up.
when i originally searched the likes for "hauser" in jamals post joey had liked it, but now when i search he no longer shows up.
are the hausers liking these pictures and then unliking them? lol.
I don't think so. When you search the likes of a post, it only polls a certain amount of the likes I am pretty sure. So if you reload the image and try it a few times you will probably get different results.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Bwmk-FxhHpv/
I get the impression that they're fed up with the doubters...
As others have said, playing with a chip on their shoulders may be just what they need. I think Bailey will surprise us the most - it's his gig now.
Any time a team is united with a chip on their shoulder.... good to see Ike with them.
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Interesting that the one players who, seemingly, can most afford tats, has none.
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The Mormon church discourages tattooing:
https://www.lds.org/topics/tattooing?lang=eng (https://www.lds.org/topics/tattooing?lang=eng)
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Interesting that the one players who, seemingly, can most afford tats, has none.
You're in tune with the financial wherewithal of the players, eh?
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Auburn, Markus92, thank you for the numbers. I was the first to say that Joey hit the wall in early February. It is good to see the numbers bear it out. And I know that I wanted Bailey on the floor more down the stretch. And the numbers bear that out. Next year's team may not be a preseason top 10, but if everybody stays and is healthy (still room to jump in, Symir), there is no reason that 19-20 can't be at least as good as 18-19.
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So Markus responded:
https://twitter.com/markushoward11/status/1120719075381075968
So I am not hip to all of the lingo of the youngsters. What does the fingers crossed followed by a syringe mean? Lucky shot?
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So Markus responded:
https://twitter.com/markushoward11/status/1120719075381075968
So I am not hip to all of the lingo of the youngsters. What does the fingers crossed followed by a syringe mean? Lucky shot?
The syringe is probably the DAngelo Russell celebration.
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So Markus responded:
https://twitter.com/markushoward11/status/1120719075381075968
So I am not hip to all of the lingo of the youngsters. What does the fingers crossed followed by a syringe mean? Lucky shot?
Markus knows that Jamal needs to hit the weight room so he is crossing his fingers that Jamal will take steroids this year.
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Markus knows that Jamal needs to hit the weight room so he is crossing his fingers that Jamal will take steroids this year.
Maybe the crossed fingers mean that Markus didn't really mean it when he said "B4L".
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Markus knows that Jamal needs to hit the weight room so he is crossing his fingers that Jamal will take steroids this year.
LOL
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So Markus responded:
https://twitter.com/markushoward11/status/1120719075381075968
So I am not hip to all of the lingo of the youngsters. What does the fingers crossed followed by a syringe mean? Lucky shot?
My guess: B4L means "Brothers 4 Life", the crossed fingers indicate that they are "tight", and the syringe symbolizes that they're blood brothers.
Or it could be the Jamal Cain steroid thing.
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syringe also can mean getting shots
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My guess: B4L means "Brothers 4 Life", the crossed fingers indicate that they are "tight", and the syringe symbolizes that they're blood brothers.
Or it could be the Jamal Cain steroid thing.
This is correct, except the last part, lol.
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My guess: B4L means "Brothers 4 Life", the crossed fingers indicate that they are "tight", and the syringe symbolizes that they're blood brothers.
Or it could be the Jamal Cain steroid thing.
Yup on first part.
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Any time a team is united with a chip on their shoulder.... good to see Ike with them.
Theo has a second picture on his IG (click the arrow in the first pic), with the text "F A M I L Y" where you can clearly see how the rest of the team has turned on wojo...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BwmxvbNl8HQ/
(https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/0e42d3fbdd4ed32f77c85f67362025e9/5D40B20E/t51.2885-15/e35/56913515_393334788181935_5435459840266863763_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com)
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Theo has a second picture on his IG (click the arrow in the first pic), with the text "F A M I L Y" where you can clearly see how the rest of the team has turned on wojo...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BwmxvbNl8HQ/
(https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/0e42d3fbdd4ed32f77c85f67362025e9/5D40B20E/t51.2885-15/e35/56913515_393334788181935_5435459840266863763_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com)
Clearly they are just about ready to crush Wojo's body between them.
I have never seen such hate displayed by a group of college students!
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We will ride with those who want to be here.
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Theo has a second picture on his IG (click the arrow in the first pic), with the text "F A M I L Y" where you can clearly see how the rest of the team has turned on wojo...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BwmxvbNl8HQ/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BwmxvbNl8HQ/)
(https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/0e42d3fbdd4ed32f77c85f67362025e9/5D40B20E/t51.2885-15/e35/56913515_393334788181935_5435459840266863763_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com)
If you could see their faces, I'm sure they're all rolling their eyes at whatever meaningless coaching nonsense that Wojo is spouting.
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Play angry, aina?
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Looks like they’re in good spirits which is good to see:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BwnYoJqlHZG/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=15gv3x82kl21m
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Theo has a second picture on his IG (click the arrow in the first pic), with the text "F A M I L Y" where you can clearly see how the rest of the team has turned on wojo...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BwmxvbNl8HQ/
(https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/0e42d3fbdd4ed32f77c85f67362025e9/5D40B20E/t51.2885-15/e35/56913515_393334788181935_5435459840266863763_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com)
Anyone know if that "ring out" shirt is for sale?
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Anyone know if that "ring out" shirt is for sale?
Great question. Love that shirt
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Me, three. I would buy that in a heartbeat.
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Theo has a second picture on his IG (click the arrow in the first pic), with the text "F A M I L Y" where you can clearly see how the rest of the team has turned on wojo...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BwmxvbNl8HQ/
(https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/0e42d3fbdd4ed32f77c85f67362025e9/5D40B20E/t51.2885-15/e35/56913515_393334788181935_5435459840266863763_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com)
Discussing MUScoop theories.....
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Anyone know if that "ring out" shirt is for sale?
There are two on sale on eBay with a Stevens Point phone number.
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Well played.
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That’s funny!
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Marquette social media throwing some shade last two days. Let's see if this rallying cry has legs.
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There are two on sale on eBay with a Stevens Point phone number.
Can they sell their Jordan's for thousands of dollars like Wally or do they have to wait until their eligibility is up?
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Where's the FS1 huddle cam so we can see what single line Wojo was saying the full huddle over and over to get the team to laugh at how incompetent he is?
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Marquette social media throwing some shade last two days. Let's see if this rallying cry has legs.
They're trying too hard
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im all in on petty mubb. uva (guy and jerome in particular) were petty as hell this year.
i can’t remember what team it was but i recently saw a shirt from another team (want to say kentucky) that has just the white dry fit warmup with the word “LOYALTY” in royal blue across the chest (have seen others with different words like “FAMILY” or whatever). would LOVE if marquette stole the loyalty one this year, especially if the snakes wind up at uw.
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A few surprising numbers from last season:
Dem ain't no surprising numbers... I'll give you one though:
Chartouney's eFG% was 55.0%!!
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Boy oh boy pictures like this sure make guru n jon look stupid, as if all their posts hadnt already
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Boy oh boy pictures like this sure make guru n jon look stupid, as if all their posts hadnt already
Ummm no...but nice try. Tell ya what sandknit...let's make a deal...if next year's MU team lives up to the top 10 team projections they had before the Hauser's left, I will remove myself from this board permanently..if they don't, you do the same. Deal?? You're so high on them for next year..let's see how high on them you really are. As a note, I don't think they will be bad by any stretch, I just don't think there's any way they are a top 10 team and a 1/2 seed in the NCAA's like many thought before. That is barring something incredible like landing Kerry Blackshear.
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Ummm no...but nice try. Tell ya what sandknit...let's make a deal...if next year's MU team lives up to the top 10 team projections they had before the Hauser's left, I will remove myself from this board permanently..if they don't, you do the same. Deal?? You're so high on them for next year..let's see how high on them you really are. As a note, I don't think they will be bad by any stretch, I just don't think there's any way they are a top 10 team and a 1/2 seed in the NCAA's like many thought before. That is barring something incredible like landing Kerry Blackshear.
Ur losing it guru
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Ummm no...but nice try. Tell ya what sandknit...let's make a deal...if next year's MU team lives up to the top 10 team projections they had before the Hauser's left, I will remove myself from this board permanently..if they don't, you do the same. Deal?? You're so high on them for next year..let's see how high on them you really are. As a note, I don't think they will be bad by any stretch, I just don't think there's any way they are a top 10 team and a 1/2 seed in the NCAA's like many thought before. That is barring something incredible like landing Kerry Blackshear.
I really really want this bet to take place and for the parties to honor it.
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I really really want this bet to take place and for the parties to honor it.
If MSK takes guru up on the offer, the rest of us can make all kinds of fun side bets!
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That is barring something incredible like landing Kerry Blackshear.
Honestly, I think our odds of landing Blackshear are about as good as the is of landing Jaden McDaniels. We haven't been connected to either.
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Interesting challenge but specifics/clarification please.
Top Ten preseason, anytime in season or year end ranking? Is the #1 or #2 seeding part of the bet? Apparently the addition of Blackshear or another star terminates the bet, right?
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If MSK takes guru up on the offer, the rest of us can make all kinds of fun side bets!
What happens in the event of a tie?
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If MSK takes guru up on the offer, the rest of us can make all kinds of fun side bets!
Question: If Guru and SandKnit fight to the "ScoopDeath" who wins?
Answer: We all do
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I really really want this bet to take place and for the parties to honor it.
Absolutely 100% would honor my end. He's so sure this CURRENT MU team is going to be so great..I want to see how confident he is in that.
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Exactly the Wednesday action I needed...your move MSK
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/31a74841e9fde06ebf6da728239cf871/tenor.gif?itemid=9968709)
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Question: If Guru and SandKnit fight to the "ScoopDeath" who wins?
Answer: We all do
Won’t be hard to track. If Marquette is doing well, Guru won’t be around. If they’re losing, he’ll be here quite a bit
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I will remove myself from this board permanently
Permanently? Or like "Ners permanently"?
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Interesting challenge but specifics/clarification please.
Top Ten preseason, anytime in season or year end ranking? Is the #1 or #2 seeding part of the bet? Apparently the addition of Blackshear or another star terminates the bet, right?
I'm open to suggestions, what do you want it to be??
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Permanently? Or like "Ners permanently"?
Permananently, and if mods want to ban me to make sure...so be it.
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Permananently, and if mods want to ban me to make sure...so be it.
Perhaps you haven't noticed the rather ephemeral nature of bans...
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Permanently? Or like "Ners permanently"?
We need Ners back and we need him back now.
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We need Ners back and we need him back now.
Is Scoop suffering from a dearth of endlessly argumentative pretty boys?
Couldn't you just add another sock puppet, Gus?
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Permanently? Or like "Ners permanently"?
Believe me, it would be permanently...put it this way..if you had a chance to move out of the slums, wouldn't you want to do it and never go back?? That's what this would be. And I'm given Sandknit a chance to make sure it happens.
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Believe me, it would be permanently...put it this way..if you had a chance to move out of the slums, wouldn't you want to do it and never go back?? That's what this would be. And I'm given Sandknit a chance to make sure it happens.
maybe I am not following the analogy? MUScoop is the slums?
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I'm open to suggestions, what do you want it to be??
Just a starting point. You and Sand-knit work out the details:
Reference and timeline- AP rankings (coach's poll does not apply); 1st official rankings to one week after the final rankings
#1-10 Guru agrees to not post until Marquette is out of the top ten
DMZ #11-15 Both of you may post
#16 or below Sand Knit agrees to not post until Marquette is ranked #15 or higher
Addition of Torrance or Blackshear for this coming season requires renegotiation of the terms.
Thoughts?
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This may be a little premature, but I've got a good feeling about this thread (not to mention, I had a hell of a time digging up the jpg in the annals (that's two n's, ZFB) of Scoop, and don't exactly remember the path I took to find it).
(http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49887.0;attach=5999;image)
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maybe I am not following the analogy? MUScoop is the slums?
Someone is holding him here against his will?
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maybe I am not following the analogy? MUScoop is the slums?
That's how I am reading it too...Guru, you know you can leave this "slum" whenever you want. No one is forcing you to be here. You have a never ending "chance to move out of the slums"
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We need Ners back and we need him back now.
We need Ners like we need to be stabbed in our eyes with an ice pick.
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The bet would be perfect for guru because he'd be able to root against Wojo.
MSK would be able to weasel out of the terms of the bet because he'd have spelled so many words wrong that he could say everybody else misunderstood what he had agreed to.
This is good stuff!
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The bet would be perfect for guru because he'd be able to root against Wojo.
MSK would be able to weasel out of the terms of the bet because he'd have spelled so many words wrong that he could say everybody else misunderstood what he had agreed to.
This is good stuff!
Believe me, this is a bet I would be ECSTATIC to lose...So in fact I would be rooting for Wojo to make it happen. I won't lose because IF they are as good as sandknit says they will be, then it will be a pretty damn good year.
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Believe me, this is a bet I would be ECSTATIC to lose...So in fact I would be rooting for Wojo to make it happen. I won't lose because IF they are as good as sandknit says they will be, then it will be a pretty damn good year.
Now that I think about it, the bet should not be that if we are THAT good you have to leave the slums of Scoop forever.
It should be that you have to go into all the positive threads we'd have up on Scoop and comment repeatedly how wonderful our team is, how great the coaching is, etc.
Man, guru, you'd really hate that!
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Now that I think about it, the bet should not be that if we are THAT good you have to leave the slums of Scoop forever.
It should be that you have to go into all the positive threads we'd have up on Scoop and comment repeatedly how wonderful our team is, how great the coaching is, etc.
Man, guru, you'd really hate that!
Not in the least actually..you should know I WANT MU to be elite again..nothing would make me happier if that happened
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Not in the least actually..you should know I WANT MU to be elite again..nothing would make me happier if that happened
Well, when we were going 20-2 from Thanksgiving through late-Feb, just about the only time you showed up was during the 2 losses to St. John's.
It seems you were "happier" when you were miserable. You came right out and said that you weren't compelled to comment when we won. So I think it actually would be a great burden for you!
You know I'm just playing with you. I like the bet you made MSK. He talks like a tough guy, but he gets challenged and it's ... crickets.
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The turmoil and dissension here is incredible. And you can see how much disdain the remaining players have for Wojo. Hard to believe MU would put this kind of stuff out there.
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1121447177346273280/video/1
And, yes, of course this is part of a PR campaign. When you've got a segment of the fan base pushing a negative narrative, it's incumbent upon the school to push back.
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The turmoil and dissension here is incredible. And you can see how much disdain the remaining players have for Wojo. Hard to believe MU would put this kind of stuff out there.
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1121447177346273280/video/1
And, yes, of course this is part of a PR campaign. When you've got a segment of the fan base pushing a negative narrative, it's incumbent upon the school to push back.
Looks to me like it may be part of an effort to acquire more female fans. :D
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Paint Touches pointing out that in the video Symir is listed as a RS FR on the whiteboard. Also on the bottom there is a "Jayce". Could be referring to grad transfer Jayce Johnson.
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Paint Touches pointing out that in the video Symir is listed as a RS FR on the whiteboard. Also on the bottom there is a "Jayce". Could be referring to grad transfer Jayce Johnson.
Which would make total sense since Wojo offered him out of HS. You will also notice below his name what appears to say "Mon- Apr 29" That could be a visit with him??
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I think I saw a reference in there that Paul is dead.
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Would Jayce be a grad transfer? I know he entered college a semester early like Joey.
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Paint Touches for the win.
Would be great to get Symir here and red shirt.
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Which would make total sense since Wojo offered him out of HS. You will also notice below his name what appears to say "Mon- Apr 29" That could be a visit with him??
Does he get the muguru-seal-of-approval-for-not-settling-for-a-non-d1-caliber-stiff or not?
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Does he get the muguru-seal-of-approval-for-not-settling-for-a-non-d1-caliber-stiff or not?
Yes, I like Jayce, he's one I have had on my list. But most certainly you will get people that say "I don't see the need, he is strictly a back to the basket player". Which he is. But, I want the most talent you can possibly get and worry about the other stuff later. He's a heck of a shot blocker as well.
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Anyone know if that "ring out" shirt is for sale?
Don't know about the dark blue one, but I got this one at the spirit shop in January.
https://spiritshop.marquette.edu/Ring-Out-Tee-Gold-p/28033.htm
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Would Jayce be a grad transfer? I know he entered college a semester early like Joey.
I think he would be, and the Utah press is suggesting the same.
He'd be an interesting get, and no coach is going to pass up a very capable 7 footer just because they don't necessarily "need" him. We've been concerned about rebounding without the Hausers - his rebound numbers were really good last year, especially in conference play. Doesn't score a ton, but that might be exactly what we need - a shot blocker who can rebound. You can have some interesting combination/sub scenarios between Jayce, Theo, Ed, and Bailey.
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I think he would be, and the Utah press is suggesting the same.
He'd be an interesting get, and no coach is going to pass up a very capable 7 footer just because they don't necessarily "need" him. We've been concerned about rebounding without the Hausers - his rebound numbers were really good last year, especially in conference play. Doesn't score a ton, but that might be exactly what we need - a shot blocker who can rebound. You can have some interesting combination/sub scenarios between Jayce, Theo, Ed, and Bailey.
Not to mention Eke if he works his way into the rotation.
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I think he would be, and the Utah press is suggesting the same.
He'd be an interesting get, and no coach is going to pass up a very capable 7 footer just because they don't necessarily "need" him. We've been concerned about rebounding without the Hausers - his rebound numbers were really good last year, especially in conference play. Doesn't score a ton, but that might be exactly what we need - a shot blocker who can rebound. You can have some interesting combination/sub scenarios between Jayce, Theo, Ed, and Bailey.
Hoiberg trying to cut out the middleman:
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-utes/2019/04/23/utes-sign-prep-basketball/
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I think he would be, and the Utah press is suggesting the same.
He'd be an interesting get, and no coach is going to pass up a very capable 7 footer just because they don't necessarily "need" him. We've been concerned about rebounding without the Hausers - his rebound numbers were really good last year, especially in conference play. Doesn't score a ton, but that might be exactly what we need - a shot blocker who can rebound. You can have some interesting combination/sub scenarios between Jayce, Theo, Ed, and Bailey.
I have been one who has said that the roster, as currently constituted, would not be at all conducive to Morrow playing anything but 5. But you add a player like Jayce and that definitely opens up the possibility of using him at 4 against certain teams.
Not our area of greatest need, but I'd take him.
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Jayce Johnson would be nice. Excellent rebounder, good shot blocker, and can score a bit.
Might even be able to play Morrow some at PF. Wojo would need to adjust the offense for that lineup, but I would still expect to play mostly 4 out.
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Hoiberg trying to cut out the middleman:
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-utes/2019/04/23/utes-sign-prep-basketball/
From that article:
He believed he deserved a bigger role in Utah’s offense, sources have said, although the analytics say he didn’t make effective use of his post-up opportunities. Johnson’s 40-percent free-throw shooting limited his scoring average.
Hmm.
Will he be another who complains that Markus doesn't give him the ball enough? And when he does get the ball, why wouldn't opponents just clobber him and send him to the line?
Just things to consider.
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Not to mention Eke if he works his way into the rotation.
For sure - and I hope he's physically able to play. From the recent videos the team has posted, it sure looks like he's working out full-steam with the rest of the team. And he could learn a lot from a guy like Jayce Johnson - neither is a bruiser, but both are long as hell.
If Symir does indeed reclassify and redshirt, I'd love to see next year's practices.
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A thought is that Symir might not be able to reclassify to 2019 but perhaps be able to join the team mid-season and redshirt.
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What happens in the event of a tie?
Either they both have to leave or only the two of them can stay on Scoop.....not sure which is a more appropriate "punishment"
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A thought is that Symir might not be able to reclassify to 2019 but perhaps be able to join the team mid-season and redshirt.
The Joey/Football model, interesting hadn't thought of that.
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There are four names in blue on the other side of the board as well. Anyone able to make those out? Guessing they're just 2020 recruits, but could be 2019 guys they're looking at.
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A thought is that Symir might not be able to reclassify to 2019 but perhaps be able to join the team mid-season and redshirt.
Someone is floating that theory on Dodds board.
That could make sense, given Symir will be playing summer ball. He might need the extra semester to graduate.
Symir would get a headstart on learning the system. Wouldn't make sense to burn a year of eligibility for roughly 20 games since he'd already be behind on practice.
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Someone is floating that theory on Dodds board.
That could make sense, given Symir will be playing summer ball. He might need the extra semester to graduate.
Symir would get a headstart on learning the system. Wouldn't make sense to burn a year of eligibility for roughly 20 games since he'd already be behind on practice.
I wonder of Joey’s experience might give guys hesitation about the idea of enrolling mid-season and using it as a redshirt year. It turns out the Joey has lost a year of eligibility (for now, at least, but that could change the NCAA rules in his favor in year 5) because he chose to transfer (not an uncommon turn of events).
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There are four names in blue on the other side of the board as well. Anyone able to make those out? Guessing they're just 2020 recruits, but could be 2019 guys they're looking at.
im very curious as well
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im very curious as well
Here are a few shots of it, someone with better photo editing skillzzzz than I can probably decipher it.
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im very curious as well
From some of the close-up shots, it looks like that bottom row may have been a long list of names, with a few after Jayce Johnson having been erased (you can see some of the straight line above the "blank" spots has been erased). So perhaps it is a list of grad transfer (or traditional transfer) targets, with those committing elsewhere literally getting taken off the board?
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Don't know about the dark blue one, but I got this one at the spirit shop in January.
https://spiritshop.marquette.edu/Ring-Out-Tee-Gold-p/28033.htm
Does it say ring out vertically on the back?
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Does it say ring out vertically on the back?
Nope, the back is blank on the gold one.