You know the drill.
Ban more books.
The congressman who represents that area thought it important that everyone knows that not all of the injuries were from gunfire, but rather a result of terrified kids fleeing from gunfire.
Weird.
@RepMikeCollins
Very sad to confirm there have been four fatalities from the shooting at Apalachee High School in Winder, GA.
Many others wounded, but not all gun-related or life-threatening injuries, some from efforts to flee danger.
The suspect is in custody.
https://twitter.com/RepMikeCollins/status/1831397351644393724
Quote from: Pakuni on September 04, 2024, 01:48:50 PM
The congressman who represents that area thought it important that everyone knows that not all of the injuries were from gunfire, but rather a result of terrified kids fleeing from gunfire.
Weird.
@RepMikeCollins
Very sad to confirm there have been four fatalities from the shooting at Apalachee High School in Winder, GA.
Many others wounded, but not all gun-related or life-threatening injuries, some from efforts to flee danger.
The suspect is in custody.
https://twitter.com/RepMikeCollins/status/1831397351644393724
Our distinguished governor is on the case so nothing more to worry about.
He urges "all Georgians to join my family in praying for the safety of those in our classrooms, both in Barrow County and across the state"
Well, that should fix it!
There is nothing inherently wrong with thoughts and prayers.
Quote from: tower912 on September 04, 2024, 01:56:00 PM
There is nothing inherently wrong with thoughts and prayers.
For people that are in a position of power who could actually try to do something about the problem rather than pretend they are doing something, I'd argue that there is. It's a cop-out. A shirking of responsibility.
Many won't agree, and that's fine.
Onion headline. You know the one.
Quote from: jficke13 on September 04, 2024, 02:01:44 PM
Onion headline. You know the one.
Was seriously just thinking the same thing.
As an evangelical Christian, I save my prayers for politicians
Quote from: tower912 on September 04, 2024, 01:56:00 PM
There is nothing inherently wrong with thoughts and prayers.
There wasn't - until they were grabbed by Rs as an excuse to do nothing.
Until every schoolkid, from 12th-graders all the way down to kindergartners, are given two loaded AR-15s each to take to school, these shootings will never stop.
Gotta fight fire with fire. More guns ... that's always the answer!
Quote from: tower912 on September 04, 2024, 01:56:00 PM
There is nothing inherently wrong with thoughts and prayers.
"Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth."
The good news is that there are now 2 fewer teachers out there to turn kids into transgenders.
Quote from: MU82 on September 04, 2024, 05:48:02 PM
The good news is that there are now 2 fewer teachers out there to turn kids into transgenders.
Too much.
14 yr old. Great.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 04, 2024, 06:34:26 PM
14 yr old. Great.
With a history of threats and a house full of guns.
Quote from: tower912 on September 04, 2024, 07:33:14 PM
With a history of threats and a house full of guns.
Can he be tried as an adult?
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 04, 2024, 07:37:45 PM
Can he be tried as an adult?
Maybe? Not really the point though.
Looks like another total failure by law enforcement. After numerous reports about him threatening a school shooting last year, they just said nothing to see here.
Why weren't all guns confiscated from the home?
Quote from: Jockey on September 04, 2024, 07:52:08 PM
Looks like another total failure by law enforcement. After numerous reports about him threatening a school shooting last year, they just said nothing to see here.
Why weren't all guns confiscated from the home?
Terrible.
Quote from: Jockey on September 04, 2024, 07:52:08 PM
Looks like another total failure by law enforcement. After numerous reports about him threatening a school shooting last year, they just said nothing to see here.
Why weren't all guns confiscated from the home?
100% agree.
Quote from: Jockey on September 04, 2024, 07:52:08 PM
Looks like another total failure by law enforcement. After numerous reports about him threatening a school shooting last year, they just said nothing to see here.
Why weren't all guns confiscated from the home?
He'd have gotten a gun somewhere else. Nothing you can do.
Quote from: Jockey on September 04, 2024, 07:52:08 PM
Looks like another total failure by law enforcement. After numerous reports about him threatening a school shooting last year, they just said nothing to see here.
Why weren't all guns confiscated from the home?
Georgia doesn't have a red flag law, that's why.
What would you have had law enforcement do in this specific case?
Quote from: MUfan12 on September 04, 2024, 05:56:44 PM
Too much.
You're right, and I apologize. But I'm effen pissd at the casualness that some shrug off this sh!t.
When will the spineless "all life matters" politicians step the eff up and help bring gun-safety legislation that an overwhelming percentage of Americans want instead of focusing on how best to hate vulnerable kids?
FBI strikes (out) again. Investigated the kid in May of last year. Smh
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 04, 2024, 10:12:58 PM
FBI strikes (out) again. Investigated the kid in May of last year. Smh
Very strange take, even for you.
The FBI investigated anonymous threats. They were able to identify who was posting them, turned over all the evidence they had collected to the local authorities, just as they are required to do.
So massive win for the FBI, they identified a threat, and relayed all pertinent information to local authorities who had jurisdiction. Unfortunately, Georgia laws don't allow any action.
Local authorities couldn't do anything, because no local laws had been violated, and there are no red flag laws to limit gun access.
Failure, local politics.
Quote from: Jockey on September 04, 2024, 07:52:08 PM
Looks like another total failure by law enforcement. After numerous reports about him threatening a school shooting last year, they just said nothing to see here.
Why weren't all guns confiscated from the home?
good question. Do the parents get charged as well?
In related news, there are hearings in southeast Michigan to reinstate lawsuits brought by victims' families against the Oxford school district. Their argument is that the tragedy there was predictable and preventable.
From the Gun Violence Archive:
So far this year, the US has suffered at least 385 mass shootings, which are defined as incidents with 4 or more victims.
That's an average of more than 1.5 mass shootings every day.
Come on, people! We can get that up to 2 a day with a little work!!
Quote from: MU82 on September 05, 2024, 06:28:55 AM
From the Gun Violence Archive:
So far this year, the US has suffered at least 385 mass shootings, which are defined as incidents with 4 or more victims.
That's an average of more than 1.5 mass shootings every day.
Come on, people! We can get that up to 2 a day with a little work!!
All you can do is pray
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 05, 2024, 06:42:35 AM
All you can do is pray
Don't forget about thinking...thinking and praying sure seem to be a key part of solving the issue.
Quote from: tower912 on September 05, 2024, 05:36:57 AM
In related news, there are hearings in southeast Michigan to reinstate lawsuits brought by victims' families against the Oxford school district. Their argument is that the tragedy there was predictable and preventable.
This is the only thing that has a chance of changing the nations trajectory on the subject, and that's a really sad thing to type.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 04, 2024, 01:48:50 PM
The congressman who represents that area thought it important that everyone knows that not all of the injuries were from gunfire, but rather a result of terrified kids fleeing from gunfire.
Weird.
@RepMikeCollins
Very sad to confirm there have been four fatalities from the shooting at Apalachee High School in Winder, GA.
Many others wounded, but not all gun-related or life-threatening injuries, some from efforts to flee danger.
The suspect is in custody.
https://twitter.com/RepMikeCollins/status/1831397351644393724
Also Mike Collins:
https://x.com/k12ssdb/status/1831655613895520362?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 05, 2024, 08:12:33 AM
Also Mike Collins:
https://x.com/k12ssdb/status/1831655613895520362?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
As an evangelical Christian, the AR-15 is as important to me as my Bible
Quote from: Pakuni on September 04, 2024, 08:31:25 PM
Georgia doesn't have a red flag law, that's why.
What would you have had law enforcement do in this specific case?
Yup. I also think the public really underestimates how common these types of threats are.
If these threats are so common maybe we should mitigate the tools/mechanisms that can be used to carry out the threats then.
Just a thought.
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on September 05, 2024, 09:40:18 AM
If these threats are so common maybe we should mitigate the tools/mechanisms that can be used to carry out the threats then.
Just a thought.
Preaching to the choir. I'm just saying that law enforcement is put in an impossible situation with these threats pretty routinely.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 05, 2024, 08:12:33 AM
Also Mike Collins:
https://x.com/k12ssdb/status/1831655613895520362?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Also Mike Collins.
@RonFilipkowski
Rep. Mike Collins, who represents the district where the school shooting happened today in GA, was asked in 2022 if he favored ANY gun laws including red flag laws. The answer is no, he said God is the answer.
https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1831373648810434991
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on September 05, 2024, 09:40:18 AM
If these threats are so common maybe we should mitigate the tools/mechanisms that can be used to carry out the threats then.
Just a thought.
Many states have tried. Georgia isn't one of them.
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on September 05, 2024, 09:40:18 AM
If these threats are so common maybe we should mitigate the tools/mechanisms that can be used to carry out the threats then.
Just a thought.
Well, the dad said the kid had no unsupervised access, whatever that means. He also said they were "hunting" guns. ?-(
Not sure what the dad used that gun for. And if it was used for hunting, it should have been stored somewhere else until hunting season.
I don't think its too unreasonable to have a parent store their guns somewhere other than the home if their child made threats. I know that's not the law, but I am sure the police could have done some convincing.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 05, 2024, 09:46:43 AM
Also Mike Collins.
@RonFilipkowski
Rep. Mike Collins, who represents the district where the school shooting happened today in GA, was asked in 2022 if he favored ANY gun laws including red flag laws. The answer is no, he said God is the answer.
https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1831373648810434991
He is correct. God is the answer. God has provided us with guns. If guns were bad, why would God have provided them?
It is god's will our children get slaughtered at school. Maybe it's a sign we should close schools? Of course, the lame steam media won't discuss that option because of the woke mob
Quote from: tower912 on September 04, 2024, 01:56:00 PM
There is nothing inherently wrong with thoughts and prayers.
And they are as inherently useful as tits on a bull, as they say.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 05, 2024, 09:56:24 AM
He is correct. God is the answer. God has provided us with guns. If guns were bad, why would God have provided them?
It is god's will our children get slaughtered at school. Maybe it's a sign we should close schools? Of course, the lame steam media won't discuss that option because of the woke mob
God already gives kids cancer to teach us some lesson. Why shouldn't God give kids guns to teach us a different lesson?
This past Friday... at a nearby park.. 5 teens shot on and near by a basketball court, VERY close to the Pickleball courts, at 8:15p. Multiple assailants appeared and began firing. No arrests; very little info / updates of note so far. This was in a suburb that borders mine.
Dozens of witnesses.
(FBI likely to blame, aina)
https://www.fox9.com/news/burnsville-red-oak-park-shooting-details.amp
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 05, 2024, 10:02:30 AM
God already gives kids cancer to teach us some lesson. Why shouldn't God give kids guns to teach us a different lesson?
It's no coincidence that school massacres began when science started getting taught.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 05, 2024, 09:56:24 AM
He is correct. God is the answer. God has provided us with guns. If guns were bad, why would God have provided them?
It is god's will our children get slaughtered at school. Maybe it's a sign we should close schools? Of course, the lame steam media won't discuss that option because of the woke mob
Yessir. It's kind of like the way god saved the previous president but was happy to sacrifice Corey Comperatore, the 50-year-old dad who took a bullet for his family that day. The lord provides for all ... except those who die horrible deaths ... but he actually provides for them too, because she's all-knowing and just ... except for when he or she is an angry god who says gay people and adulterers are evil and should be stoned to death ... unless the adulterer is the previous president, and then it's OK.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 04, 2024, 08:31:25 PM
Georgia doesn't have a red flag law, that's why.
What would you have had law enforcement do in this specific case?
The answer is obvious. Let him commit mass murder and then invoke thoughts & prayers.
Quote from: MU82 on September 05, 2024, 10:33:17 AM
Yessir. It's kind of like the way god saved the previous president but was happy to sacrifice Corey Comperatore, the 50-year-old dad who took a bullet for his family that day. The lord provides for all ... except those who die horrible deaths ... but he actually provides for them too, because she's all-knowing and just ... except for when he or she is an angry god who says gay people and adulterers are evil and should be stoned to death ... unless the adulterer is the previous president, and then it's OK.
#Violation
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 05, 2024, 10:16:18 AM
This past Friday... at a nearby park.. 5 teens shot on and near by a basketball court, VERY close to the Pickleball courts, at 8:15p. Multiple assailants appeared and began firing. No arrests; very little info / updates of note so far. This was in a suburb that borders mine.
Dozens of witnesses.
(FBI likely to blame, aina)
https://www.fox9.com/news/burnsville-red-oak-park-shooting-details.amp
Why weren't you packing so you could stop some bad guys with guns?? Bee Jay to blame, aina.
Quote from: MU82 on September 05, 2024, 10:33:17 AM
Yessir. It's kind of like the way god saved the previous president but was happy to sacrifice Corey Comperatore, the 50-year-old dad who took a bullet for his family that day. The lord provides for all ... except those who die horrible deaths ... but he actually provides for them too, because she's all-knowing and just ... except for when he or she is an angry god who says gay people and adulterers are evil and should be stoned to death ... unless the adulterer is the previous president, and then it's OK.
That's God for you. What a comedian.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 05, 2024, 10:28:32 AM
It's no coincidence that school massacres began when science started getting taught.
Not to mention the removal of compulsory prayer.
Quote from: Jockey on September 05, 2024, 10:34:13 AM
The answer is obvious. Let him commit mass murder and then invoke thoughts & prayers.
Sounds like you're admitting that there's not much law enforcement could have done but you're going to blame them anyhow.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 05, 2024, 11:34:18 AM
Sounds like you're admitting that there's not much law enforcement could have done but you're going to blame them anyhow.
Well. the kid could have been sent to juvie.
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 05, 2024, 11:56:34 AM
Well. the kid could have been sent to juvie.
You think 13-year-old kids get locked up for 16 months over a Discord post?
Lol.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 05, 2024, 12:03:14 PM
You think 13-year-old kids get locked up for 16 months over a Discord post?
Lol.
Who said 16 months?
Quote from: MU82 on September 05, 2024, 10:33:17 AM
Yessir. It's kind of like the way god saved the previous president but was happy to sacrifice Corey Comperatore, the 50-year-old dad who took a bullet for his family that day. The lord provides for all ... except those who die horrible deaths ... but he actually provides for them too, because she's all-knowing and just ... except for when he or she is an angry god who says gay people and adulterers are evil and should be stoned to death ... unless the adulterer is the previous president, and then it's OK.
Any inside info on whether God is gonna be on the Packers side tomorrow? I think the Eagles are commies anyway, so God should be on the side of the good guys.
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 05, 2024, 12:09:31 PM
Who said 16 months?
He was questioned by police over the previous threat 16 months ago, so ...
But I'll rephrase.
You think 13-year-old kids get locked up AT ALL over Discord posts?
Kids that age very rarely get locked up at all, and when they do it's for violent offenses, not chatroom posts.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 05, 2024, 12:32:13 PM
He was questioned by police over the previous threat 16 months ago, so ...
But I'll rephrase.
You think 13-year-old kids get locked up AT ALL over Discord posts?
Kids that age very rarely get locked up at all, and when they do it's for violent offenses, not chatroom posts.
The police could have done a better job in the investigation. They stated they couldnt substantiate that he wrote the post. OK. Sure they could have. There has been instances of kids being processed for online threats. Get them in the system which requires at least a basic form of counseling/therapy.
Bring back lobotomies
Quote from: Pakuni on September 05, 2024, 12:32:13 PM
He was questioned by police over the previous threat 16 months ago, so ...
But I'll rephrase.
You think 13-year-old kids get locked up AT ALL over Discord posts?
Kids that age very rarely get locked up at all, and when they do it's for violent offenses, not chatroom posts.
Should any action be taken against kids who threaten school shootings?
Should the parents be prosecuted for allowing access to a gun to a minor who threatened mass murder?
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 05, 2024, 12:36:19 PM
The police could have done a better job in the investigation. They stated they couldnt substantiate that he wrote the post. OK. Sure they could have. There has been instances of kids being processed for online threats. Get them in the system which requires at least a basic form of counseling/therapy.
Maybe?
But that's not at all what you said earlier.
I said he should have went to juvie, which I still stand by. You are the one who thought I meant for 16 months. I didnt say that.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 05, 2024, 12:44:59 PM
Maybe?
But that's not at all what you said earlier.
Is it really that hard for you to admit you were wrong/misinterpreted something?
Quote from: Jockey on September 05, 2024, 12:44:51 PM
Should any action be taken against kids who threaten school shootings?
Yes, if there's probable cause kids who threaten school shootings should face some kind of consequence in the juvenile system.
Quote
Should the parents be prosecuted for allowing access to a gun to a minor who threatened mass murder?
Possibly.
What do you mean by allow?
What do you mean by access?
Is the mere presence of a gun access? Does the presence of a gun confer upon a minor permission to possess it? If the gun is put away, but the kid knows where to find it, qualify as allowing access?
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 05, 2024, 12:49:53 PM
Is it really that hard for you to admit you were wrong/misinterpreted something?
You wrote "he should have went to juvie." Now you say "process him so he can get into counseling."
These are two completely different things, as you know.
Dear Lord, you're becoming Heisey before our very eyes.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 05, 2024, 12:52:16 PM
You wrote "he should have went to juvie." Now you say "process him so he can get into counseling."
These are two completely different things, as you know.
Dear Lord, you're becoming Heisey before our very eyes.
Dear lord. Going to juvie is being processed into the system. Do you even know the process, aside from what you read on Google? Juvie is a correctional facility where a juvenile is held before trial.
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 05, 2024, 01:01:49 PM
Dear lord. Going to juvie is being processed into the system. Do you even know the process, aside from what you read on Google? Juvie is a correctional facility where a juvenile is held before trial.
Do you even know the process?
The large majority of juvenile offenders, and the
vast majority of nonviolent offenders, never spend a day in detention. They're processed at a police station and released to the custody of their parents/guardians. 13-year-olds do not get locked up over threats as a matter of course, either before or after trial.
And juvie is a correctional facility, period. Some are pretrial. Some are post-adjudication. Some even have space for both.
An impressive combination of shifting goalposts and not understanding the system.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 05, 2024, 01:13:03 PM
Do you even know the process?
The large majority of juvenile offenders, and the vast majority of nonviolent offenders, never spend a day in detention. They're processed at a police station and released to the custody of their parents/guardians. 13-year-olds do not get locked up over threats as a matter of course, either before or after trial.
And juvie is a correctional facility, period. Some are pretrial. Some are post-adjudication. Some even have space for both.
An impressive combination of shifting goalposts and not understanding the system.
You are wrong. Google is not your friend on this.
Juvenile detention is short-term confinement, primarily used after a youth has been arrested, but before a court has determined the youth's innocence or guilt. Occasionally, "juvie" is used post adjudication, but that is not the norm.
Many cases over the past several years involving teens making threats to shoot up schools have gone through the process.
Just because you think that many of the cases dont go through the process doesn't invalidate my point of that is what COULD have happened. You are arguing just to argue, I think.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 05, 2024, 12:42:10 PM
Bring back lobotomies
You shouldn't be so harsh on your fellow gun humpers
From the Washington Post:
The 14-year-old arrested after a mass killing at Georgia's Apalachee High School had been "begging for months" for mental health help before he allegedly carried out a deadly attack Wednesday, according to an aunt of the shooting suspect.
He "was begging for help from everybody around him," Annie Brown, the aunt, told The Washington Post. "The adults around him failed him."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/09/05/suspected-shooter-georgia-school-shooting-apalachee-high/?
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 05, 2024, 01:39:55 PM
You are wrong. Google is not your friend on this.
Juvenile detention is short-term confinement, primarily used after a youth has been arrested, but before a court has determined the youth's innocence or guilt. Occasionally, "juvie" is used post adjudication, but that is not the norm.
Many cases over the past several years involving teens making threats to shoot up schools have gone through the process.
Where do you think juveniles go when adjudicated guilty and sentenced to detention, if not juvenile detention?
And I don't need Google. I've literally spent dozens, if not hundreds, of hours in juvenile courtrooms.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 05, 2024, 01:47:51 PM
Where do you think juveniles go when adjudicated guilty and sentenced to detention, if not juvie?
And I don't need Google. I've literally spent dozens, if not hundreds, of hours in juvenile courtrooms.
Detention is pre-trial. If convicted, they usually get probation or get sent to a correctional facility. Again, steering way from my original point of COULD be sent to juvie.
Forget the thoughts and prayers for a minute. I have a great deal of compassion, but it's time we started asking some real questions, such as:
1) What is the civilian use of an AR-15 rifle? I don't think people deer hunt with it and it's ineffective on birds. I don't get why we need these things in civilian hands. These are military grade weapons and should be used for military purposes. We don't allow people to own other types of military grade weapons, such as nuclear weapons, hand grenades, mortars, F16s and B52s, so someone please explain why we allow AR-15s in civilian hands. It's not a Second Amendment issue and if it is, pass me an atom bomb!
2) Do we have a child welfare system or don't we? Oh, and I don't mean passing out money. I mean a mental health system that acknowledges that some children need more help than their parents can handle. And, deal with it! Of course, it costs money. But how much is it going to cost to incarcerate this young man for what likely will be the rest of his life. Georgia needs a pound of flesh, so he'll be charged in adult court with murder and convicted. Unless the jury votes to make the young man a crispy critter (and I wouldn't put that one past Georgia either), they'll be paying far more to house, feed, medicate and hospitalize this young man than it will to treat him for mental illness. And, perhaps, four people walking the earth on Monday might still be alive today.
3) School Security Needs an Overhaul. Metal detectors might not be a bad idea as would be screening of all bags coming into a school. Communities need to begin to understand the police are not the enemy and there needs to be resource officers at schools. The principal at my school thought of the police as barbaric enemies. They aren't. And in Georgia, it might give the police something to do other than enforce trivial traffic violations.
Just a thought!
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 05, 2024, 02:08:37 PM
Forget the thoughts and prayers for a minute. I have a great deal of compassion, but it's time we started asking some real questions, such as:
1) What is the civilian use of an AR-15 rifle? I don't think people deer hunt with it and it's ineffective on birds. I don't get why we need these things in civilian hands. These are military grade weapons and should be used for military purposes. We don't allow people to own other types of military grade weapons, such as nuclear weapons, hand grenades, mortars, F16s and B52s, so someone please explain why we allow AR-15s in civilian hands. It's not a Second Amendment issue and if it is, pass me an atom bomb!
2) Do we have a child welfare system or don't we? Oh, and I don't mean passing out money. I mean a mental health system that acknowledges that some children need more help than their parents can handle. And, deal with it! Of course, it costs money. But how much is it going to cost to incarcerate this young man for what likely will be the rest of his life. Georgia needs a pound of flesh, so he'll be charged in adult court with murder and convicted. Unless the jury votes to make the young man a crispy critter (and I wouldn't put that one past Georgia either), they'll be paying far more to house, feed, medicate and hospitalize this young man than it will to treat him for mental illness. And, perhaps, four people walking the earth on Monday might still be alive today.
3) School Security Needs an Overhaul. Metal detectors might not be a bad idea as would be screening of all bags coming into a school. Communities need to begin to understand the police are not the enemy and there needs to be resource officers at schools. The principal at my school thought of the police as barbaric enemies. They aren't. And in Georgia, it might give the police something to do other than enforce trivial traffic violations.
Just a thought!
I need my AR-15 for when the dumbocraps make me commie
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 05, 2024, 02:08:37 PM
1) What is the civilian use of an AR-15 rifle? I don't think people deer hunt with it and it's ineffective on birds. I don't get why we need these things in civilian hands. These are military grade weapons and should be used for military purposes. We don't allow people to own other types of military grade weapons, such as nuclear weapons, hand grenades, mortars, F16s and B52s, so someone please explain why we allow AR-15s in civilian hands. It's not a Second Amendment issue and if it is, pass me an atom bomb!
Not an answer to your question. I am friends with an number of gun geeks. Really, geeks (engineers) that like guns. Many of them think the AR-15 is cool, and fun. I guess it's akin to using an iPhone vs a flip phone. The "tech" makes it good.
But no, most of them hunt, and not with an AR-15 style rifle.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 05, 2024, 12:50:12 PM
Yes, if there's probable cause kids who threaten school shootings should face some kind of consequence in the juvenile system.
Possibly.
What do you mean by allow?
What do you mean by access?
Is the mere presence of a gun access? Does the presence of a gun confer upon a minor permission to possess it? If the gun is put away, but the kid knows where to find it, qualify as allowing access?
Thanks for the reply. I'm not disagreeing with you even though it may sound that way when just reading someone's posts.
As far as access - Because of threats the kid made and his requests for mental help, all guns should have been removed from the home. If the parents want to sue, let them.
Quote from: Jockey on September 05, 2024, 02:34:25 PM
Thanks for the reply. I'm not disagreeing with you even though it may sound that way when just reading someone's posts.
As far as access - Because of threats the kid made and his requests for mental help, all guns should have been removed from the home. If the parents want to sue, let them.
Especially if the dad called them hunting guns to the police. Have them stored off-site and use them during hunting season, and drop them back off-site at the end of the hunting trip.
Quote from: Jockey on September 05, 2024, 02:34:25 PM
As far as access - Because of threats the kid made and his requests for mental help, all guns should have been removed from the home. If the parents want to sue, let them.
Problem is, there's no legal mechanism to take the guns away. There should be, but there isn't. Blaming the cops here because they didn't break the law seems unfair. That's why I see this as more of a political problem than a law enforcement one.
If the cops seized their guns unlawfully and the parents sued, they'd have them back in a matter of weeks, if not days.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 02:29:15 PM
Not an answer to your question. I am friends with an number of gun geeks. Really, geeks (engineers) that like guns. Many of them think the AR-15 is cool, and fun. I guess it's akin to using an iPhone vs a flip phone. The "tech" makes it good.
But no, most of them hunt, and not with an AR-15 style rifle.
Yeah, they're fun to shoot. They're highly moddable. Personally, I think any gun that isn't a hunting gun (to a reasonable person) nor a handgun should be fired at ranges only and be stored at the place they're fired.
As always, "time and place".
Quote from: Pakuni on September 05, 2024, 02:38:43 PM
Problem is, there's no legal mechanism to take the guns away. There should be, but there isn't. Blaming the cops here because they didn't break the law seems unfair. That's why I see this as more of a political problem than a law enforcement one.
Yup.
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 05, 2024, 02:36:47 PM
Especially if the dad called them hunting guns to the police. Have them stored off-site and use them during hunting season, and drop them back off-site at the end of the hunting trip.
What's the legal mechanism to accomplish this, counselor?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 02:29:15 PM
Not an answer to your question. I am friends with an number of gun geeks. Really, geeks (engineers) that like guns. Many of them think the AR-15 is cool, and fun. I guess it's akin to using an iPhone vs a flip phone. The "tech" makes it good.
But no, most of them hunt, and not with an AR-15 style rifle.
Brother Rocky:
There's a lot of things that I think are cool and fun! An Indy Car in my driveway might be one. But the notion of allowing an Indy Car on the street for a trip to, say, church or the grocer, is absurd. And, many like to collect cars and use them occasionally. But are they really going to take an Indy Car down A1A on a Sunday morning? Doubtful.
As a country, we regulate weapons. The military grade AR-15 should be in the same category with hand grenades, mortars and cruise missiles. Owned by the military. Period!
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 05, 2024, 02:47:14 PM
Brother Rocky:
There's a lot of things that I think are cool and fun! An Indy Car in my driveway might be one. But the notion of allowing an Indy Car on the street for a trip to, say, church or the grocer, is absurd. And, many like to collect cars and use them occasionally. But are they really going to take an Indy Car down A1A on a Sunday morning? Doubtful.
As a country, we regulate weapons. The military grade AR-15 should be in the same category with hand grenades, mortars and cruise missiles. Owned by the military. Period!
If you ban AR's, gun owners will just find the closest analog... and there are a lot. Like, a whole lot.
We are an unserious country that has no real interest in solving this problem.
We need to stop calling June, July and August "summer break" and start calling it "school shooting break"
Quote from: Pakuni on September 05, 2024, 02:38:43 PM
Problem is, there's no legal mechanism to take the guns away. There should be, but there isn't. Blaming the cops here because they didn't break the law seems unfair. That's why I see this as more of a political problem than a law enforcement one.
If the cops seized their guns unlawfully and the parents sued, they'd have them back in a matter of weeks, if not days.
"Promote the general welfare".
Making an effort to stop a mentally unstable person who has threatened mass murder is definitely an attempt to promote general welfare.
We complicate things way too much.
Quote from: Jockey on September 05, 2024, 03:06:22 PM
"Promote the general welfare".
Making an effort to stop a mentally unstable person who has threatened mass murder is definitely an attempt to promote general welfare.
We complicate things way too much.
Not trying to be a jerk, but where does this expression come from? Did I miss it somewhere?
Quote from: jficke13 on September 05, 2024, 03:08:21 PM
Not trying to be a jerk, but where does this expression come from? Did I miss it somewhere?
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Quote from: jficke13 on September 05, 2024, 03:08:21 PM
Not trying to be a jerk, but where does this expression come from? Did I miss it somewhere?
From the preamble of the Constitution I guess. Not sure how that is relevant here.
I don't really want law enforcement to act under a mandate that broad anyway.
Ah, I guess I thought it was tethered to some actual expression of police powers or the practical standards by which police powers are governed/executed. It was more of an aspirational thing. Roger.
Quote from: Jockey on September 05, 2024, 03:12:05 PM
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Did everyone else read through that with School House Rock playing in the back of their brain?
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 05, 2024, 02:08:37 PM
Forget the thoughts and prayers for a minute. I have a great deal of compassion, but it's time we started asking some real questions, such as:
1) What is the civilian use of an AR-15 rifle? I don't think people deer hunt with it and it's ineffective on birds. I don't get why we need these things in civilian hands. These are military grade weapons and should be used for military purposes. We don't allow people to own other types of military grade weapons, such as nuclear weapons, hand grenades, mortars, F16s and B52s, so someone please explain why we allow AR-15s in civilian hands. It's not a Second Amendment issue and if it is, pass me an atom bomb!
2) Do we have a child welfare system or don't we? Oh, and I don't mean passing out money. I mean a mental health system that acknowledges that some children need more help than their parents can handle. And, deal with it! Of course, it costs money. But how much is it going to cost to incarcerate this young man for what likely will be the rest of his life. Georgia needs a pound of flesh, so he'll be charged in adult court with murder and convicted. Unless the jury votes to make the young man a crispy critter (and I wouldn't put that one past Georgia either), they'll be paying far more to house, feed, medicate and hospitalize this young man than it will to treat him for mental illness. And, perhaps, four people walking the earth on Monday might still be alive today.
3) School Security Needs an Overhaul. Metal detectors might not be a bad idea as would be screening of all bags coming into a school. Communities need to begin to understand the police are not the enemy and there needs to be resource officers at schools. The principal at my school thought of the police as barbaric enemies. They aren't. And in Georgia, it might give the police something to do other than enforce trivial traffic violations.
Just a thought!
Regarding #3, I live maybe 30 miles from where this shooting occurred. In the county I live in, there are sheriff deputies in each and every school. They have also hardened the entries to the schools so that someone has to buzz visitors in through a second set of doors after you enter a vestibule and enter your ID into a computer. Not perfect I'm sure, but efforts have been made to deal with non-student intruders.
To my knowledge, bags are not screened nor are there metal detectors where the majority of students enter the buildings so that would be a vulnerability.
I can't speak to what safety measures have been established by the county where the shooting occurred (if any).
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on September 05, 2024, 04:02:56 PM
Regarding #3, I live maybe 30 miles from where this shooting occurred. In the county I live in, there are sheriff deputies in each and every school. They have also hardened the entries to the schools so that someone has to buzz visitors in through a second set of doors after you enter a vestibule and enter your ID into a computer. Not perfect I'm sure, but efforts have been made to deal with non-student intruders.
To my knowledge, bags are not screened nor are there metal detectors where the majority of students enter the buildings so that would be a vulnerability.
I can't speak to what safety measures have been established by the county where the shooting occurred (if any).
Our schools here just installed metal detectors. Was a big fuss but we did to ensure something like this doesn't happen in the school. We also have hardened entries and a school resource officer from the IRC Sheriff's Patrol on-site.
Local School Councils for CPD in Chicago wanted the police OUT of the schools as soon as Mayor Lightfoot was elected. Dumb, dumb and dumber.
The father of the mass shooting suspect accused of killing four people at Apalachee High School in Winder, Georgia, told investigators this week he had purchased the gun used in the killings as a holiday present for his son last Christmas.
Quote from: Jockey on September 05, 2024, 06:57:09 PM
The father of the mass shooting suspect accused of killing four people at Apalachee High School in Winder, Georgia, told investigators this week he had purchased the gun used in the killings as a holiday present for his son last Christmas.
That's a heartwarming story. Always good when fathers are involved with their children's lives
Hallmark movie level of heartwarming.
Quote from: Jockey on September 05, 2024, 06:57:09 PM
The father of the mass shooting suspect accused of killing four people at Apalachee High School in Winder, Georgia, told investigators this week he had purchased the gun used in the killings as a holiday present for his son last Christmas.
Nothing signifies the Christmas spirit more than a killing machine.
The father has been charged with manslaughter and second degree murder. Good.
Older article but wonder how this figure has tracked with the past 5 more years
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/21/us/school-shooting-us-versus-world-trnd
Quote from: tower912 on September 05, 2024, 07:07:27 PM
The father has been charged with manslaughter and second degree murder. Good.
Very good news.
Why do we need to turn our schools into Fort Knox? Aren't there better ways to prevent these events?
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 05, 2024, 07:48:46 PM
Why do we need to turn our schools into Fort Knox? Aren't there better ways to prevent these events?
No
Quote from: tower912 on September 05, 2024, 07:07:27 PM
The father has been charged with manslaughter and second degree murder. Good.
Good.
The kid had repeatedly asked for mental healthcare as well for MONTHS because he had been hearing voices. Denying a child healthcare should also be a chargeable offense.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 05, 2024, 07:48:46 PM
Why do we need to turn our schools into Fort Knox? Aren't there better ways to prevent these events?
That's what the thoughts and prayers are for.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 05, 2024, 07:48:46 PM
Why do we need to turn our schools into Fort Knox? Aren't there better ways to prevent these events?
Why not both, more secure schools and common sense gun legislation
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 05, 2024, 07:50:14 PM
Good.
The kid had repeatedly asked for mental healthcare as well for MONTHS because he had been hearing voices. Denying a child healthcare should also be a chargeable offense.
You'll be happy to know here in MN, Walz has fought to let the kids decide to chop their dilz off. If the parents don't obliged, the govt will step in for da kids!
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 05, 2024, 07:57:57 PM
You'll be happy to know here in MN, Walz has fought to let the kids decide to chop their dilz off. If the parents don't obliged, the govt will step in for da kids!
Truly the greatest threat to kids and one of the most pressing issues in education today. Thank you for your vigilance
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 05, 2024, 07:57:57 PM
You'll be happy to know here in MN, Walz has fought to let the kids decide to chop their dilz off. If the parents don't obliged, the govt will step in for da kids!
Yawn. Debunked. Do better.
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 05, 2024, 07:05:44 PM
Nothing signifies the Christmas spirit more than a killing machine.
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Quote from: Jay Bee on September 05, 2024, 07:57:57 PM
You'll be happy to know here in MN, Walz has fought to let the kids decide to chop their dilz off. If the parents don't obliged, the govt will step in for da kids!
"don't obliged", eh pedantic guy?
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 05, 2024, 07:57:37 PM
Why not both, more secure schools and common sense gun legislation
If we prevent the events through non-school security means, we don't need the school security.
Surely there are less invasive, expensive and threatening solutions
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 05, 2024, 08:14:58 PM
If we prevent the events through non-school security means, we don't need the school security.
Surely there are less invasive, expensive and threatening solutions
There isn't. More security and requiring teachers to be armed is the solution.
Guns are not going away. Guns are as American as apple pie and baseball. Embrace it.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 05, 2024, 08:14:58 PM
If we prevent the events through non-school security means, we don't need the school security.
Surely there are less invasive, expensive and threatening solutions
One will not be able to get rid of all guns, knives, etc. Schools still need to be secure IMO.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 05, 2024, 08:14:58 PM
If we prevent the events through non-school security means, we don't need the school security.
Surely there are less invasive, expensive and threatening solutions
My 12 year old daughter and her friends have become quite chummy with the deputy at their school. Officer Reggie (looks like Drake per my daughter) will sit with different groups of kids at lunch if there is an open seat at their table. He sits with my daughter's group at least once a week. I asked her if they engage with him or if it's awkward and she says they all talk to him.
Part of me thinks that's great and part of me thinks it's kind of sad that this is what it has come to, but I am grateful that officer Reggie is there and tries to establish some kind of interactivity with the kids.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 05, 2024, 08:04:54 PM
(https://images2.imgbox.com/0a/78/OcBk302J_o.png) (https://imgbox.com/OcBk302J)
This is why calling these people weird is better than total outrage. I mean, look at these losers.
Quote from: MUBurrow on September 05, 2024, 08:33:26 PM
This is why calling these people weird is better than total outrage. I mean, look at these losers.
Can you imagine the outrage in some communities if one of these families was non white?
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 05, 2024, 08:10:09 PM
"don't obliged", eh pedantic guy?
Grammah no Matta. Ze zir pun pud they him just accept it all my boi
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 05, 2024, 08:38:02 PM
Can you imagine the outrage in some communities if one of these families was non white?
I sure can
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 05, 2024, 09:02:33 PM
Grammah no Matta. Ze zir pun pud they him just accept it all my boi
Still insecure I see
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 05, 2024, 09:19:59 PM
FBI repeated failures have me shook
No doubt. Thoughts and prayers.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 09:21:16 PM
No doubt. Thoughts and prayers.
Only works if you're Catholic.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 05, 2024, 09:22:56 PM
Only works if you're Catholic.
Ok. This dude next to me just forgave me for all my sins. Claims he's legit.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 09:24:31 PM
Ok. This dude next to me just forgave me for all my sins. Claims he's legit.
If there is at least 1 Hail Mary required on your part, then you're probably all good. FBI is still screwed, though.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 05, 2024, 09:26:40 PM
If there is at least 1 Hail Mary required on your part, then you're probably all good. FBI is still screwed, though.
Thoughts and prayers
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 09:27:10 PM
Thoughts and prayers
Are you running low on gerbils? Why so attentive on me tonight?
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 05, 2024, 09:29:40 PM
Are you running low on gerbils? Why so attentive on me tonight?
Whoops, thought I was helping with your insecurity. #mistaken
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 05, 2024, 09:29:40 PM
Are you running low on gerbils? Why so attentive on me tonight?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8772014/
Quote from: Pakuni on September 05, 2024, 09:34:22 PM
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8772014/
Is gerbils strictly a gay thing? Didn't know. Thanks for the expert insight
Need NoLongerWarriors back here to bring this board together
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 09:32:36 PM
Whoops, thought I was helping with your insecurity. #mistaken
It's a common tactic when it comes to discussions about guns and the slaughter of children to deflect to another subject. Sometimes it's doors. Now it's the FBI.
It's also good politics to blame the FBI at this moment for other reasons as well.
Anyway, hope the gun is safe
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 05, 2024, 07:57:57 PM
You'll be happy to know here in MN, Walz has fought to let the kids decide to chop their dilz off. If the parents don't obliged, the govt will step in for da kids!
A 50+ year old guy without kids is worried about something that isn't happening to other people's children, folks.
We live in Hellworld.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 05, 2024, 08:04:54 PM
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Virtue signaling. When I saw these pictures originally, I wondered where the Dead Santa was, or if they were going to have a good old fashioned Christmas standoff if Johnny didn't get a PS5.
Yes, some things are indefensible head on. Buying your 8th grader an AR 15 for Christmas. Pimping for Putin. So, when deflections, whataboutism, and ad hominem attacks are all you have, they are what you use.
Don't worry, though. AR doesn't stand for "assault rifle," so it's all good.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on September 05, 2024, 08:31:08 PM
My 12 year old daughter and her friends have become quite chummy with the deputy at their school. Officer Reggie (looks like Drake per my daughter) will sit with different groups of kids at lunch if there is an open seat at their table. He sits with my daughter's group at least once a week. I asked her if they engage with him or if it's awkward and she says they all talk to him.
Brother ATL:
This is interesting. Maybe it was because I grew up in Metro Nashville, where the intelligence of many of the local constables was slightly less than that of an average salamander, but our view of the police was adversarial and focused on municipal revenue enhancement (aka, traffic enforcement). We didn't know them for the people they were and the commitment to our community they made.
Perhaps your daughter will see the police as more than a nuisance. In turn, perhaps the police will be more sensitive and understanding to Atlanta's youth. You nenver know but I think this is very positive, protection problems notwithstanding.
Quote from: MU82 on September 06, 2024, 07:53:12 AM
Don't worry, though. AR doesn't stand for "assault rifle," so it's all good.
Doesn't matter. It's one of dozens of this style weapon available. It's popular because it is moddable and its reputation. Banning this specific gun is like banning Chevy Trucks while allowing Dodge, Ford, Honda, Toyota, etc to be legal.
The GOP VP nominee says school shootings are simply a "fact of life" - a response that fits perfectly with his boss having said "we have to get over it" after a shooting earlier this year.
Yep. Shrug. Nothing can be done except think and pray and move on to the next shooting.
Quote from: MU82 on September 06, 2024, 08:42:50 AM
The GOP VP nominee says school shootings are simply a "fact of life" - a response that fits perfectly with his boss having said "we have to get over it" after a shooting earlier this year.
Yep. Shrug. Nothing can be done except think and pray and move on to the next shooting.
I'm no Vance fan but that's disingenuous. He called it a sad fact of life. His overall message lacked empathy but he wasn't flippant.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 06, 2024, 08:44:44 AM
I'm no Vance fan but that's disingenuous. He called it a sad fact of life. His overall message lacked empathy but he wasn't flippant.
As an Evangelical Christian, you find that Vance's thoughts and prayers are always appreciated.
Quote from: MU82 on September 06, 2024, 08:42:50 AM
The GOP VP nominee says school shootings are simply a "fact of life" - a response that fits perfectly with his boss having said "we have to get over it" after a shooting earlier this year.
Yep. Shrug. Nothing can be done except think and pray and move on to the next shooting.
I get it. But you have to, at some point, hold all of them accountable. Democrats have had plenty of government trifectas and have done nothing for gun control with that time.
Quote from: MU82 on September 06, 2024, 09:22:32 AM
As an Evangelical Christian, you find that Vance's thoughts and prayers are always appreciated.
I do. I know he knows Jesus would be alive if he had a gun
If you vote republican, the school shootings are your fault. Obviously no one is voting FOR school shootings deliberately...you're voting for something else you believe to be important and accepting school shootings as a trade off.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 05, 2024, 09:34:22 PM
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8772014/
Once you realize Bee Jay is heavily closeted, all his posts make sense
Quote from: jutaw22mu on September 06, 2024, 09:37:13 AM
If you vote republican, the school shootings are your fault. Obviously no one is voting FOR school shootings deliberately...you're voting for something else you believe to be important and accepting school shootings as a trade off.
That's a bad take.
And I certainly don't vote Republican.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 06, 2024, 09:32:16 AM
I get it. But you have to, at some point, hold all of them accountable. Democrats have had plenty of government trifectas and have done nothing for gun control with that time.
It didn't do much, but the Safer Communities Act was added to gun control in 2022.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 06, 2024, 09:32:16 AM
I get it. But you have to, at some point, hold all of them accountable. Democrats have had plenty of government trifectas and have done nothing for gun control with that time.
Assault Weapons Ban?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 06, 2024, 09:45:54 AM
It didn't do much, but the Safer Communities Act was added to gun control in 2022.
Thanks, I didn't know about this. Seems like a good start.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 06, 2024, 08:44:44 AM
I'm no Vance fan but that's disingenuous. He called it a sad fact of life. His overall message lacked empathy but he wasn't flippant.
He didn't say "sad," but I agree he wasn't trying to be flip. He was just robotically reciting NRA talking points because expressing any kind of normal human emotion isn't an area in which JD thrives.
If we could run him through a battery of tests, I suspect we'd find he has a fairly high IQ and almost nonexistent EQ. People like that tend to make terrible leaders and (surprise) terrible political candidates.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 06, 2024, 10:04:04 AM
Are they banned?
They were for a decade, and mass shootings declined during that time. The legislation was passed with a sunset clause and the Republican-majority Congress in 2004 declined to reauthorize it.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 06, 2024, 10:05:39 AM
He didn't say "sad," but I agree he wasn't trying to be flip. He was just robotically reciting NRA talking points because expressing any kind of normal human emotion isn't an area in which JD thrives.
If we could run him through a battery of tests, I suspect we'd find he has a fairly high IQ and almost nonexistent EQ. People like that tend to make terrible leaders and (surprise) terrible political candidates.
In other words, the perfect mentee for Peter Thiel.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 06, 2024, 10:08:29 AM
They were for a decade, and mass shootings declined during that time. The legislation was passed with a sunset clause and the Republican-majority Congress in 2004 declined to reauthorize it.
And then Democrats didn't have a trifecta to pass a replacement after 2004? ;)
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 06, 2024, 10:20:32 AM
And then Democrats didn't have a trifecta to pass a replacement after 2004? ;)
They tried in 2013 and failed. Several Democratic senators from purple/conservative states voted against it.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 06, 2024, 10:26:35 AM
They tried in 2013 and failed.
So it stands to reason that we should also hold them accountable, yes?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 06, 2024, 10:29:16 AM
So it stands to reason that we should also hold them accountable, yes?
Sure. But it doesn't stand to reason to suggest both parties are equally to blame for the lack of seriousness about addressing gun violence in this country.
The guy going 75 mph down the interstate and the guy going 110 mph are both speeding, but they're not the same.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 06, 2024, 10:29:16 AM
So it stands to reason that we should also hold them accountable, yes?
Those that voted against it, hell yeah. Looking at you, Joe Manchin.
But I think you need 60 votes in the Senate to get any legislation like this across the line.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 06, 2024, 10:26:35 AM
They tried in 2013 and failed. Several Democratic senators from purple/conservative states voted against it.
I love how people, especially lefties actually, will get so mad about Dems failing to pass policy X under Obama when they just completely memory hole the existence of senators like Joe Liebermann or policy Y under Biden while ignoring Sinema/Manchin. Shocker, but in reality, having the letter "D" next to both chambers and in the white house does not afford carte blanche to enact anything and everything that might get proposed.
I am OK with Vance acknowledging that school shootings are the reality we live in. As a both/and type of guy, I like having officers in school and more/better school security (spoiler alert: tax dollars)
I am also on board with the notion that America needs a change of heart and needs to turn away from violence.
Thou shalt have no gods before me.
A subset of America have made guns their god. Just like a subset has money their god. Just another type of evil. So, in the end, this young man is the product of a high school dropout father and a drug using mother who went through an ugly divorce recently. The father filled emptiness with gun worship, leading to purchasing an AR for his 8th grader.
Love your neighbor as yourself.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 06, 2024, 10:33:07 AM
Sure. But it doesn't stand to reason to suggest both parties are equally to blame for the lack of seriousness about addressing gun violence in this country.
The guy going 75 mph down the interstate and the guy going 110 mph are both speeding, but they're not the same.
Yes, that's what I'm saying. They're both not really serious about it. They both get to campaign and raise money from the issue. Lip service is the American Way.
Quote from: jficke13 on September 06, 2024, 10:34:33 AM
I love how people, especially lefties actually, will get so mad about Dems failing to pass policy X under Obama when they just completely memory hole the existence of senators like Joe Liebermann or policy Y under Biden while ignoring Sinema/Manchin. Shocker, but in reality, having the letter "D" next to both chambers and in the white house does not afford carte blanche to enact anything and everything that might get proposed.
So you're suggesting that Democrats don't have an effective coalition?
Counterpoint is that they don't want to pass these things and keep people like Manchin/Sinema/Lieberman around to use as scapegoats. I think there is a bit of naivete here.
Both sides of the aisle use scapegoats to scrap legislation they don't actually want to pass. For reasons that are financial.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 06, 2024, 10:43:04 AM
Counterpoint is that they don't want to pass these things and keep people like Manchin/Sinema/Lieberman around to use as scapegoats. I think there is a bit of naivete here.
Facts in evidence suggests they don't keep people like Manchin/Sinema/Lieberman around.
Sinema went independent when she realized she couldn't win a Democratic primary. Lieberman went independent after losing a Democratic primary.
Manchin went independent because he'd been flirting with a presidential run, but saw he couldn't win as a Democrat.
Dems never had 60 members to pass real gun legislation.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 06, 2024, 10:50:14 AM
Facts in evidence suggests they don't keep people like Manchin/Sinema/Lieberman around.
Sinema went independent when she realized she couldn't win a Democratic primary. Lieberman went independent after losing a Democratic primary.
Manchin went independent on his way out the door because he's been flirting with a presidential run, but knows he can't win as a Democrat.
Manchin has been in office for 14 years as a senator, and was the governor for 5 years prior to that
Sinema has been in the Senate for 5 years, and congress since 2013
Lieberman was in the senate for 24 years... and was the VP candidate with Gore in 2000.
So, you're suggestion is that these folks aren't long term Democrats?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 06, 2024, 10:43:04 AM
So you're suggesting that Democrats don't have an effective coalition?
Counterpoint is that they don't want to pass these things and keep people like Manchin/Sinema/Lieberman around to use as scapegoats. I think there is a bit of naivete here.
Both sides of the aisle use scapegoats to scrap legislation they don't actually want to pass. For reasons that are financial.
I'm not sure if you're implying that the political parties have the ability to unplug difficult senators and replace them with compliant ones on a whim, because the idea that the democratic party could (for example) have replaced Joe Manchin with anyone else via any means whatsover (electoral or otherwise) is nonsensical.
What I'm suggesting is that in reality, if you do not have an overwhelming majority (and in the senate given it's odd parliamentarian rules that means 60+ votes) then you are subject to whipping your caucus in such a way that you can achieve the votes you need. If you have a 50-50 senate, then one person who holds out has an outsized influence they would not have had in a 60-40 senate. A, for example, conservative democrat from a very conservative state like WV might have the capacity to prevent any number of progressive policies from passing.
This isn't complicated. Don't be willfully obtuse.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 06, 2024, 11:00:35 AM
Manchin has been in office for 14 years as a senator, and was the governor for 5 years prior to that
Sinema has been in the Senate for 5 years, and congress since 2013
Lieberman was in the senate for 24 years... and was the VP candidate with Gore in 2000.
So, you're suggestion is that these folks aren't long term Democrats?
If what you're actually saying is that its the democrats fault for not passing legislation because they are not a voting monolith that exacts lockstep compliance from every elected official, then I guess that's *technically* correct, but in a way that has ceased to have any practical meaning.
Quote from: Jockey on September 06, 2024, 10:55:47 AM
Dems never had 60 members to pass real gun legislation.
Wrong as usual.
In the November 2008 elections, the Democratic Party increased its majorities in both chambers (including – when factoring in the two Democratic caucusing independents – a brief filibuster-proof 60-40 supermajority in the Senate), and with Barack Obama being sworn in as president on January 20, 2009, this gave Democrats an overall federal government trifecta for the first time since the 103rd Congress in 1993.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 06, 2024, 10:43:04 AM
So you're suggesting that Democrats don't have an effective coalition?
Counterpoint is that they don't want to pass these things and keep people like Manchin/Sinema/Lieberman around to use as scapegoats. I think there is a bit of naivete here.
Both sides of the aisle use scapegoats to scrap legislation they don't actually want to pass. For reasons that are financial.
How do you pass this without 60 votes?
I mean, where you have a 50/50 split in the Senate, and 48 of 50 Dems vote for gun legislation and 0 of 50 Repubs vote for it, the party's are equally to blame?
Quote from: tower912 on September 06, 2024, 10:39:03 AM
I am OK with Vance acknowledging that school shootings are the reality we live in. As a both/and type of guy, I like having officers in school and more/better school security (spoiler alert: tax dollars)
I am also on board with the notion that America needs a change of heart and needs to turn away from violence.
Thou shalt have no gods before me.
A subset of America have made guns their god. Just like a subset has money their god. Just another type of evil. So, in the end, this young man is the product of a high school dropout father and a drug using mother who went through an ugly divorce recently. The father filled emptiness with gun worship, leading to purchasing an AR for his 8th grader.
Love your neighbor as yourself.
This will be passed over as the other argument goes back and forth here, but this pretty much hits the nail on the head.
Also, guys, there is no real desire to bring back the assault weapon ban. D's know the game that if they pass it, it becomes an election loser in the next cycle. Hards is right. A lot of lip service and act tough but no real desire to whip the party to pass something like that.
Guns won. You need a new generation(s) to have any chance at legit gun legislation. Maybe if enough kids get slaughtered, a light will shine on these coming generations
Quote from: jficke13 on September 06, 2024, 11:03:30 AM
I'm not sure if you're implying that the political parties have the ability to unplug difficult senators and replace them with compliant ones on a whim, because the idea that the democratic party could (for example) have replaced Joe Manchin with anyone else via any means whatsover (electoral or otherwise) is nonsensical.
What I'm suggesting is that in reality, if you do not have an overwhelming majority (and in the senate given it's odd parliamentarian rules that means 60+ votes) then you are subject to whipping your caucus in such a way that you can achieve the votes you need. If you have a 50-50 senate, then one person who holds out has an outsized influence they would not have had in a 60-40 senate. A, for example, conservative democrat from a very conservative state like WV might have the capacity to prevent any number of progressive policies from passing.
This isn't complicated. Don't be willfully obtuse.
I am well aware of how it works, I'm not sure you're following along. If the Democrats can't get their people to vote the way they want, they can kick them out of the party. They can with hold money from their elections. There are dozens of ways to get them out of the way of their agenda.
They use these congresspeople as cover so they don't pass legislation that their corporate backers don't like.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 06, 2024, 11:08:32 AM
How do you pass this without 60 votes?
I mean, where you have a 50/50 split in the Senate, and 48 of 50 Dems vote for gun legislation and 0 of 50 Repubs vote for it, the party's are equally to blame?
Yes, that is what I'm saying. Much like the Democrats not codifying reproductive rights.
They've had plenty of opportunities, but they sit on their hands and don't pass overwhelmingly popular legislation ALL THE TIME.
Plus, they could just eliminate the filibuster rule. You know the Republicans would and will do it the moment they have the chance. Democrats won't because they're certain that "rules" still exist in politics. Mitch McConnell's existence should have given them the hint that it doesn't.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 06, 2024, 11:05:47 AM
Wrong as usual.
In the November 2008 elections, the Democratic Party increased its majorities in both chambers (including – when factoring in the two Democratic caucusing independents – a brief filibuster-proof 60-40 supermajority in the Senate), and with Barack Obama being sworn in as president on January 20, 2009, this gave Democrats an overall federal government trifecta for the first time since the 103rd Congress in 1993.
Okay, doughnut boy.
Quote from: Jockey on September 06, 2024, 11:27:53 AM
Okay, doughnut boy.
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Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 06, 2024, 11:17:03 AM
Yes, that is what I'm saying. Much like the Democrats not codifying reproductive rights.
They've had plenty of opportunities, but they sit on their hands and don't pass overwhelmingly popular legislation ALL THE TIME.
Plus, they could just eliminate the filibuster rule. You know the Republicans would and will do it the moment they have the chance. Democrats won't because they're certain that "rules" still exist in politics. Mitch McConnell's existence should have given them the hint that it doesn't.
As you pointed out, the last time they had 60 seats was 2009. They passed ACA and not gun legislation. I guess you can ding them for that, from 15 years ago.
And they talked about eliminating the filibuster, and Sinema refused. (Manchin was somewhat more vague and let Sinema lead on this one.)
Should they have kicked Sinema and Machin out of the party and give up the majority and therefore eliminate the chance to seat judges?
Again, I think the blame is misplaced when one party is 96% in agreement and the other is 0%.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 06, 2024, 11:54:11 AM
As you pointed out, the last time they had 60 seats was 2009. They passed ACA and not gun legislation. I guess you can ding them for that, from 15 years ago.
And they talked about eliminating the filibuster, and Sinema refused. (Manchin was somewhat more vague and let Sinema lead on this one.)
Should they have kicked Sinema and Machin out of the party and give up the majority and therefore eliminate the chance to seat judges?
Again, I think the blame is misplaced when one party is 96% in agreement and the other is 0%.
Yes. They should have thrown them out the moment they didn't toe the line. They wouldn't have voted with republicans over judges.
There are also plenty of other way to eliminate the filibuster. I can pull them up if you guys want, and post them here, but suffice to say, the D's have no interest in it.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 06, 2024, 12:05:22 PM
Yes. They should have thrown them out the moment they didn't toe the line. They wouldn't have voted with republicans over judges.
There are also plenty of other way to eliminate the filibuster. I can pull them up if you guys want, and post them here, but suffice to say, the D's have no interest in it.
Having the filibuster raises way more money each election cycle
It sounds like there may be a high-school shooting in Maryland.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 06, 2024, 12:36:41 PM
It sounds like there may be a high-school shooting in Maryland.
https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/police-presence-at-joppatowne-high-school-following-incident/
QuoteThere was a fight on campus to known parties. A weapon was brought onto campus and used in the incident.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 06, 2024, 10:40:01 AM
Yes, that's what I'm saying. They're both not really serious about it. They both get to campaign and raise money from the issue. Lip service is the American Way.
Solve an issue with legislation and the political benefit basically vanishes. Keeping the issue alive elects congressmen, senators and presidents. For decades or longer. Politics 101.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 06, 2024, 01:28:54 PM
Solve an issue with legislation and the political benefit basically vanishes. Keeping the issue alive elects congressmen, senators and presidents. For decades or longer. Politics 101.
Immigration bill, aina?
Quote from: Pakuni on September 06, 2024, 01:45:20 PM
Immigration bill, aina?
Yep. The folks that were demanding that something be done refused to take yes for an answer. They wanted the issue to keep existing so they could continue to hammer their enemies on it.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 06, 2024, 11:16:23 AM
I am well aware of how it works, I'm not sure you're following along. If the Democrats can't get their people to vote the way they want, they can kick them out of the party. They can with hold money from their elections. There are dozens of ways to get them out of the way of their agenda.
They use these congresspeople as cover so they don't pass legislation that their corporate backers don't like.
Plus if you solve the problems and show the people the government can work for the people ..bruh roh
Quote from: Pakuni on September 06, 2024, 01:45:20 PM
Immigration bill, aina?
3.5 years late, 6 months before the election, Biden administration
finally admits there's a crisis at the border which they've totally botched and offers up a bad bill they know will be rejected. Gives them a little cover for their botching. Meanwhile, Rs probably wouldn't have gone along even if the bill was decent.
So yeah, Politics 101.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 06, 2024, 04:47:01 PM
3.5 years late, 6 months before the election, Biden administration
finally admits there's a crisis at the border which they've totally botched and offers up a bad bill they know will be rejected. Gives them a little cover for their botching. Meanwhile, Rs probably wouldn't have gone along even if the bill was decent.
So yeah, Politics 101.
I hope it passes so I can afford a house soon.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 06, 2024, 04:47:01 PM
3.5 years late, 6 months before the election, Biden administration
finally admits there's a crisis at the border which they've totally botched and offers up a bad bill they know will be rejected. Gives them a little cover for their botching. Meanwhile, Rs probably wouldn't have gone along even if the bill was decent.
So yeah, Politics 101.
Math is hard, but not this hard, Lenny.
The election is in November. The immigration deal was introduced the first week of February, after being largely written by the first week of January, following negotiations that had begun in the fall of 2023. That is neither "6 months before the election" or "3.5 years" into the Biden administration ... unless somehow believe Biden was president in the summer of 2020.
And it's worth noting that this bill was more than anything the previous administration had done on the border.
Is it really that hard for you to admit that the Republicans killed the bill on the orders of Daddy Trump? Even the Republicans who co-authored the bill have the integrity to admit that.
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Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 06, 2024, 11:16:23 AM
I am well aware of how it works, I'm not sure you're following along. If the Democrats can't get their people to vote the way they want, they can kick them out of the party. They can with hold money from their elections. There are dozens of ways to get them out of the way of their agenda.
They use these congresspeople as cover so they don't pass legislation that their corporate backers don't like.
Definitely some of that.
There's also the idea that if Congress/Dems show voters that they can actually solve big problems, they'll be expected to continue to do so if they want to keep their jobs. Can't have that.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 06, 2024, 12:05:22 PM
Yes. They should have thrown them out the moment they didn't toe the line. They wouldn't have voted with republicans over judges.
There are also plenty of other way to eliminate the filibuster. I can pull them up if you guys want, and post them here, but suffice to say, the D's have no interest in it.
You think Ds should give up the majority, put McConnell back in charge, AND give up all committee chairmanships voluntarily.
Hate to break it to you, donuts, but most Biden appointed judges would not even get a vote.
IBTL
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 06, 2024, 04:47:01 PM
3.5 years late, 6 months before the election, Biden administration
finally admits there's a crisis at the border which they've totally botched and offers up a bad bill they know will be rejected. Gives them a little cover for their botching. Meanwhile, Rs probably wouldn't have gone along even if the bill was decent.
So yeah, Politics 101.
"Florida Man Says Bill Republicans Wrote Is All Biden's Fault"
James Lankford, the primary architect of the immigration bill, is one of the most conservative voices in Congress. He was interviewed recently for an article that ran in the New York Times Magazine.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/10/magazine/james-lankford-senator-interview.html
The article included this exchange with the reporter, Lulu Garcia-Navarro:
Reporter: You seem to have won every concession from Democrats that Republicans wanted. And I'm curious now, in hindsight, why you think that's true. Do you think Democrats and the Biden administration in particular realized that they had a problem on their hands at the Southern border?
Lankford: So, yes, I believe that the administration came to the table because they understood this is spiraling out of control. And quite frankly, I think they perceived they could say, "OK, those crazy Republicans, they forced us to be able to pass this bill, so we're going to implement this," when they actually quietly wanted to say, "OK, we've got to make this stop."
Reporter: Were you optimistic that it could succeed?
Lankford: I was.
Reporter: And all signs indicated that your optimism was actually founded until Trump came out forcefully against the bill. He was basically whipping against it from Mar-a-Lago. Did he call you personally?
Lankford: We did not talk during that time period, actually. And on my part, that was intentional, because of that exact question. I didn't want this to be perceived as, this is President Trump actually trying to run this bill. That would be toxic to my Democrat colleagues. I honestly believe that exact bill would have passed in December, but by the time it got into February, it became immediately the major focus in the election, because, as you recall, the Republican primary suddenly got resolved. It looked very obvious that President Trump was going to be there, and everything collapsed at that point. If that bill would have gone in December, I think it would have passed.
Thoughts and prayers to London, Kentucky. I'd suggest putting stronger doors on the expressway or bullet proof windows and bodies on cars.
Here's hoping the gun is found safe.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 08, 2024, 09:31:04 AM
Thoughts and prayers to London, Kentucky. I'd suggest putting stronger doors on the expressway or bullet proof windows and bodies on cars.
Here's hoping the gun is found safe.
Every vehicle should be assigned a police officer and every driver a gun.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 08, 2024, 11:18:06 AM
Every vehicle should be assigned a police officer and every driver a gun.
Fully agree. These drivers need to be prepared.
The gov't needs to order all cars to be fitted with a turret and 50 caliber machine gun for our own protection. Let's Mad Max this country.
35% of this country is already fully onboard with racism, rape, and coups.
Can't they just admit that murder is kinda cool (except for babies).
Quote from: Jockey on September 08, 2024, 11:32:24 AM
35% of this country is already fully onboard with racism, rape, and coups.
Can't they just admit that murder is kinda cool (except for babies).
Which 35% is that, chief???
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on September 08, 2024, 12:22:58 PM
Which 35% is that, chief???
That would be the MAGA base, kemosabe
Quote from: MU82 on September 06, 2024, 10:12:11 PM
James Lankford, the primary architect of the immigration bill, is one of the most conservative voices in Congress. He was interviewed recently for an article that ran in the New York Times Magazine.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/10/magazine/james-lankford-senator-interview.html
The article included this exchange with the reporter, Lulu Garcia-Navarro:
Reporter: You seem to have won every concession from Democrats that Republicans wanted. And I'm curious now, in hindsight, why you think that's true. Do you think Democrats and the Biden administration in particular realized that they had a problem on their hands at the Southern border?
Lankford: So, yes, I believe that the administration came to the table because they understood this is spiraling out of control. And quite frankly, I think they perceived they could say, "OK, those crazy Republicans, they forced us to be able to pass this bill, so we're going to implement this," when they actually quietly wanted to say, "OK, we've got to make this stop."
Reporter: Were you optimistic that it could succeed?
Lankford: I was.
Reporter: And all signs indicated that your optimism was actually founded until Trump came out forcefully against the bill. He was basically whipping against it from Mar-a-Lago. Did he call you personally?
Lankford: We did not talk during that time period, actually. And on my part, that was intentional, because of that exact question. I didn't want this to be perceived as, this is President Trump actually trying to run this bill. That would be toxic to my Democrat colleagues. I honestly believe that exact bill would have passed in December, but by the time it got into February, it became immediately the major focus in the election, because, as you recall, the Republican primary suddenly got resolved. It looked very obvious that President Trump was going to be there, and everything collapsed at that point. If that bill would have gone in December, I think it would have passed.
Florida Man will double down on his "bad bill" bad take.
Quote from: Jockey on September 08, 2024, 11:30:01 AM
The gov't needs to order all cars to be fitted with a turret and 50 caliber machine gun for our own protection. Let's Mad Max this country.
Heck, let's think about this for a minute.
The Insane Idiots Street Gang is heavily armed already.
The old Robert Taylor Rifle Team used to practice their craft on the scoreboard at Comiskey/Guaranteed Rate/Cellular One Field.
Chicago, with strict gun laws, has some of the most heavily armed teens and young adults in the free world.
Just about every Floridian outside my house is legally armed with their concealed carry permits and their purse-sized handgun.
Sounds to me like just another piece of regulatory overkill.
Machine guns, RPGs, Tanks, surface-to-air missiles.
The constitution GUARANTEES my rights to all of these.
F'in repressive government.
It's heartwarming we are attempting to help other nations around the world embrace their god/jesus given right of being armed to the teeth at least.
https://gizmodo.com/americas-3-d-printed-gun-problem-is-getting-worse-and-spreading-to-the-world-2000496869
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 10, 2024, 03:38:04 PM
Chicago, with strict gun laws, has some of the most heavily armed teens and young adults in the free world.
Why do you think this is?
IBTL
And why do red states have a higher murder rate than blue states?
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2024, 03:54:12 PM
And why do red states have a higher murder rate than blue states?
People eating their pets
I was born there. I first heard that story third hand almost a year ago. The eternal power of the rumor and the gullible.
https://x.com/lib_gator/status/1833648423863493016?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Coach Spurrier about to be cancelled
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 10, 2024, 08:26:20 PM
Rico ain't never ate no kitty
Well, we know you haven't. Are we still looking for kitty litter in classrooms?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2024, 08:52:46 PM
Well, we know you haven't. Are we still looking for kitty litter in classrooms?
Litter boxes in classrooms has grown 17,427% over the past 3.5, bud
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 10, 2024, 08:54:14 PM
Litter boxes in classrooms has grown 17,427% over the past 3.5, bud
Missing a period at the end of the sentence.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2024, 08:54:56 PM
Missing a period at the end of the sentence.
I've heard you HATE missed periods, hey.
And an urban myth.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 10, 2024, 08:56:23 PM
I've heard you HATE missed periods, hey.
No, I'm an evangelical Christian and just walk away when that happens
You forgot to quote Leviticus.
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2024, 09:03:55 PM
You forgot to quote Leviticus.
Yeah, is evangelicals don't actually read the Bible
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2024, 09:07:16 PM
Yeah, is evangelicals don't actually read the Bible
Oh they read the bible A LOT...but they close it after Malachi.
Imagination if they read the Gospel.
The Head Ball Coach has gone woke.
https://www.al.com/news/2024/09/steve-spurrier-gives-passionate-plea-on-school-shooting-ar-15s-were-messed-up-in-america.html
Quote from: Pakuni on September 11, 2024, 09:22:34 AM
The Head Ball Coach has gone woke.
https://www.al.com/news/2024/09/steve-spurrier-gives-passionate-plea-on-school-shooting-ar-15s-were-messed-up-in-america.html
Awesome quote (and so true):
"Why in the world in America are you eligible to walk into a gun store and buy an AR-15 rifle? They should have a sign, 'If you need a gun for mass school shootings, here's your AR-15. We'll give you a discount.' Why don't they just put that sign up there?"
Quote from: Jockey on September 06, 2024, 05:51:41 PM
You think Ds should give up the majority, put McConnell back in charge, AND give up all committee chairmanships voluntarily.
Hate to break it to you, donuts, but most Biden appointed judges would not even get a vote.
No, I think they should actually legislate for their constituency you lizard brained dumbass.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 10, 2024, 08:54:14 PM
Litter boxes in classrooms has grown 17,427% over the past 3.5, bud
Need something to soak up all the blood
Quote from: Pakuni on September 10, 2024, 03:48:36 PM
Why do you think this is?
Because we Americans love our guns.
Love 'em more than life itself.
They are an extension of our male sex organs -- and you know how much we just love to use those!!!!!!!
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 11, 2024, 02:35:39 PM
Because we Americans love our guns.
Love 'em more than life itself.
They are an extension of our male sex organs -- and you know how much we just love to use those!!!!!!!
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38819006/
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 11, 2024, 02:08:26 PM
No, I think they should actually legislate for their constituency you lizard brained dumbass.
OK, Donuts.
Another shooting in the vicinity of Trump
https://nypost.com/2024/09/15/us-news/shooting-reported-at-donald-trumps-golf-club-while-ex-president-was-on-grounds/
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 15, 2024, 02:21:55 PM
Another shooting attempt at Trump
https://nypost.com/2024/09/15/us-news/shooting-reported-at-donald-trumps-golf-club-while-ex-president-was-on-grounds/
Wrong
'Near', not 'at.' Slight difference.
Maybe a Swiftie.
It's early in the investigation but It's beyond bizarre to me this guy could get so close in proximity. I don't think we have clear guidelines about what securing the perimeter means.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 15, 2024, 03:46:18 PM
It's early in the investigation but It's beyond bizarre to me this guy could get so close in proximity. I don't think we have clear guidelines about what securing the perimeter means.
I'd look at the owner of the golf course and ask how they could have such lack security when a former President, and current Presidential candidate was playing.
But with the number of guns in this country. Your average person is probably less than 50 yards from an armed individual most of their life.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 15, 2024, 02:22:47 PM
Wrong
I was wrong.
Does appear to be assassination attempt.
Suspect didn't fire a shot though
Maybe Herm was finally right.
Thoughts and prayers for fraudulent talking points about Haitians eating pets in Springfield, Ohio; Venezuelan gangs overrunning Aurora, Colo.; and cheating during the debate.
Good tries, though!
Quote from: MU82 on September 15, 2024, 04:58:15 PM
Thoughts and prayers for fraudulent talking points about Haitians eating pets in Springfield, Ohio; Venezuelan gangs overrunning Aurora, Colo.; and cheating during the debate.
Good tries, though!
How the hell are you allowed to post still?
Shooter seems to be a COVID conspiracy theorist.
https://x.com/ArtCandee/status/1835437776243757310
This is a very worrisome situation. Both from a security level and potentially copycat and tit for tat disturbed people.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 15, 2024, 05:25:25 PM
This is a very worrisome situation. Both from a security level and potentially copycat and tit for tat disturbed people.
What do you mean "copycat" and "tit for tat"?
Crazies with guns. Thoughts and prayers.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 15, 2024, 05:14:41 PM
Shooter seems to be a COVID conspiracy theorist.
https://x.com/ArtCandee/status/1835437776243757310
Maybe he should have tried ivermectin
Trump supporter in 2016, now a Vivek/Nikki/Tulsi supporter.
Sure a good thing we are the only advanced nation that hands out weapons of war like candy.
Was he a swiftie though
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 15, 2024, 03:46:18 PM
It's early in the investigation but It's beyond bizarre to me this guy could get so close in proximity. I don't think we have clear guidelines about what securing the perimeter means.
Thanks to freedom, loving Florida what he did was legal. You can open carry long rifles anywhere you want in Florida.
People walk into Walmart toting long rifles and it's completely legal. A golf course would be the same way.
It appears the Secret Service did their jobs, spotted the anomaly, and responded appropriately.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 15, 2024, 08:36:58 PM
Trump supporter in 2016, now a Vivek/Nikki/Tulsi supporter.
Sure a good thing we are the only advanced nation that hands out weapons of war like candy.
If Trump wins they will all be part of the administration in some way. Tulsi probably Secy of Defense.
Detailed analysis of events of today
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-harris-election-09-15-24/index.html
https://nypost.com/2024/09/15/us-news/would-be-trump-assassin-idd-as-ryan-routh-58-of-hawaii-sources/
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 15, 2024, 08:51:34 PM
If Trump wins they will all be part of the administration in some way. Tulsi probably Secy of Defense.
Detailed analysis of events of today
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-harris-election-09-15-24/index.html
https://nypost.com/2024/09/15/us-news/would-be-trump-assassin-idd-as-ryan-routh-58-of-hawaii-sources/
Lololololol
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 15, 2024, 05:30:20 PM
What do you mean "copycat" and "tit for tat"?
This guy explains it:
https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1835482958649540717?s=46&t=wj-kQtLCLPNb9xDTKbHRvQ
Quote from: tower912 on September 15, 2024, 08:50:32 PM
It appears the Secret Service did their jobs, spotted the anomaly, and responded appropriately.
If the guy didn't shoot at anyone, the secret service overreacted. Again, as insane as it is, open carry long gun is completely legal in Florida. Until he shoots he's within his rights.
Quote from: pbiflyer on September 15, 2024, 08:56:22 PM
If the guy didn't shoot at anyone, the secret service overreacted. Again, as insane as it is, open carry long gun is completely legal in Florida. Until he shoots he's within his rights.
That seems just a tad bit psychotic
Quote from: pbiflyer on September 15, 2024, 08:56:22 PM
If the guy didn't shoot at anyone, the secret service overreacted. Again, as insane as it is, open carry long gun is completely legal in Florida. Until he shoots he's within his rights.
Not if they saw an immediate threat and in this case, it was pretty clear it was an immediate threat.
Open carry doesn't allow one to use a weapon as a threat or raise it in a threatening manner as this guy did.
That said, I hope the gun finds a loving home
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on September 15, 2024, 08:57:50 PM
That seems just a tad bit psychotic
And if it's true that the Secret Service fired first the man was well within his rights to shoot back thanks to our lovely stand your ground law.
Quote from: pbiflyer on September 15, 2024, 08:59:26 PM
And if it's true that the Secret Service fired first the man was well within his rights to shoot back thanks to our lovely stand your ground law.
Please stop yourself. One wildly wrong statement is enough
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 15, 2024, 09:10:20 PM
Please stop yourself. One wildly wrong statement is enough
I've learned well from folks here.
And seriously our lax gun laws here make law enforcement difficult.
Maybe we should regulate gun purchases a bit?
https://greensboro.com/man-with-gun-barricades-self-inside-business/article_3006b4f9-9370-5b08-a54e-46c87faf6cbe.html
No!!!!!
It's great that a guy who has had more than 100 criminal charges can get a military weapon to fire at will.
Given the common characteristics of those who keep trying to assassinate the former president, shouldn't he be leading the charge to deport gun-loving, white, male American citizens?
I mean, can you imagine what he'd be saying if these were Haitians or transgender people?
Quote from: MU82 on September 16, 2024, 06:58:25 AM
Given the common characteristics of those who keep trying to assassinate the former president, shouldn't he be leading the charge to deport gun-loving, white, male American citizens?
I mean, can you imagine what he'd be saying if these were Haitians or transgender people?
No, because unlike in the case of the pets, the gun wasn't harmed, so all is good.
Maybe the would-be shooter got access to the golf club via Gun Club Road through Gun Club Estates, in Florida... which has permitless carry
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXmPhx6WEAArSt9?format=jpg&name=small)
So, 2016 Trump voter.
Became disillusioned. Gave donations to democrats after turning against Trump
Huge Ukraine backer. He went there and they sent him back.
Criminal history. WMD charge? Would like some details on what the WMD was.
Odd duck.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 04, 2024, 08:31:25 PM
Georgia doesn't have a red flag law, that's why.
What would you have had law enforcement do in this specific case?
Sowing is so much more fun than reaping.
Quote from: pbiflyer on September 15, 2024, 08:59:26 PM
And if it's true that the Secret Service fired first the man was well within his rights to shoot back thanks to our lovely stand your ground law.
The courts, at least where I live, are looking skeptically on Stand Your Ground defenses. They're looking at proportionality and at the state of mind of both parties when SYG is used as a defense.
Our gun laws in Florida are crazy. Our state hands out concealed carry permits like water. Sometimes, I think my wife and I are the only two unarmed persons in the state.
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 16, 2024, 09:39:37 AM
The courts, at least where I live, are looking skeptically on Stand Your Ground defenses. They're looking at proportionality and at the state of mind of both parties when SYG is used as a defense.
Our gun laws in Florida are crazy. Our state hands out concealed carry permits like water. Sometimes, I think my wife and I are the only two unarmed persons in the state.
Wish the courts had looked at the SYG defense skeptically when George Zimmerman disobeyed orders and continued to stalk Trayvon Martin. Now the guy profits by signing guns for FL gun owners.
Quote from: tower912 on September 16, 2024, 09:15:08 AM
So, 2016 Trump voter.
Became disillusioned. Gave donations to democrats after turning against Trump
Huge Ukraine backer. He went there and they sent him back.
Criminal history. WMD charge? Would like some details on what the WMD was.
Odd duck.
The WMD was the fully automatic 'machine gun' in the barricading/police standoff event in NC (https://greensboro.com/man-with-gun-barricades-self-inside-business/article_3006b4f9-9370-5b08-a54e-46c87faf6cbe.html). This link is just a relink from my post above
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 16, 2024, 09:39:37 AM
The courts, at least where I live, are looking skeptically on Stand Your Ground defenses. They're looking at proportionality and at the state of mind of both parties when SYG is used as a defense.
Our gun laws in Florida are crazy. Our state hands out concealed carry permits like water. Sometimes, I think my wife and I are the only two unarmed persons in the state.
dgies9156:
Be Careful Out There....Its A Jungle Out There
https://youtu.be/7j5Be5a86uA?si=GSLjt3-nraiwe1j7
Musk X'd a post "musing" why nobody tries to assassinate Biden or Harris.
He deleted it several hours later, perhaps after the Secret Service found out about it,
Quote from: MU82 on September 16, 2024, 10:58:02 AM
Musk X'd a post "musing" why nobody tries to assassinate Biden or Harris.
He deleted it several hours later, perhaps after the Secret Service found out about it,
He's a defense contractor
These people support crazies having guns. They are against crazies using said guns. Kind of a tenuous position to maintain.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 16, 2024, 12:19:15 PM
He's a defense contractor
He's just asking questions and then lamenting on people not having a sense of humor when he was obviously yelled at.
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 16, 2024, 10:15:58 AM
dgies9156:
Be Careful Out There....Its A Jungle Out There
https://youtu.be/7j5Be5a86uA?si=GSLjt3-nraiwe1j7
Seconded Dgies, Be careful
https://youtu.be/2oTakj8kvro?si=YJhSrocKrqylo4gP
Driving a rental car (meaning no satellite radio) through Ohio (in between Columbus and Dayton) and landed on the local talk radio. Caught the last 5 minutes of a rant about the alleged shooter, and how Kamala/Biden caused this. Commercial break- the program was sponsored by the local gun dealer, Now that deer hunting season is coming soon, had new shipments of AR's with the ability to modify to add larger caliber bullets.
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 16, 2024, 03:42:49 PM
Driving a rental car (meaning no satellite radio) through Ohio (in between Columbus and Dayton) and landed on the local talk radio. Caught the last 5 minutes of a rant about the alleged shooter, and how Kamala/Biden caused this. Commercial break- the program was sponsored by the local gun dealer, Now that deer hunting season is coming soon, had new shipments of AR's with the ability to modify to add larger caliber bullets.
I always stream Sirius XM on my phone through to my car rental.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on September 16, 2024, 03:57:25 PM
I always stream Sirius XM on my phone through to my car rental.
Pure laziness on my part. I know better.
Very uniquely American problem
https://x.com/scotthech/status/1835727045391012203?s=46
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 16, 2024, 03:42:49 PM
Driving a rental car (meaning no satellite radio) through Ohio (in between Columbus and Dayton) and landed on the local talk radio. Caught the last 5 minutes of a rant about the alleged shooter, and how Kamala/Biden caused this. Commercial break- the program was sponsored by the local gun dealer, Now that deer hunting season is coming soon, had new shipments of AR's with the ability to modify to add larger caliber bullets.
Right past Springfield! Living dangerously
T's and P's to Rich Lowry.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 16, 2024, 05:07:39 PM
Right past Springfield! Living dangerously
Was going to drive through there to eat at the local Arby's, but even I am not willing to take that risk.
Quote from: Jockey on September 16, 2024, 05:49:46 PM
Did he die? Please. Please.
Nah, he gained a lot of new fans.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 16, 2024, 05:11:44 PM
T's and P's to Rich Lowry.
Had to google....
The author of "The Case for Nationalism"
👀
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 16, 2024, 06:00:05 PM
Had to google....
The author of "The Case for Nationalism"
👀
Just let them use the "n" word. They'll be so happy
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 16, 2024, 06:00:05 PM
Had to google....
The author of "The Case for Nationalism"
👀
C'mon guys, a lot of people mistakenly pronounce "migrants" with an "n" at the beginning and "er" at the end.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 16, 2024, 06:04:21 PM
C'mon guys, a lot of people mistakenly pronounce "migrants" with an "n" at the beginning and "er" at the end.
Nothingburger. Happens all the time when you meant to say "Molar" too.
Punish Routh. Political violence is abhorrent and cannot be tolerated.
Quote from: tower912 on September 17, 2024, 06:03:24 AM
Punish Routh. Political violence is abhorrent and cannot be tolerated.
At troubling times like this, I like to turn to the good book for comfort and advice.
Maybe Galations 6:7? Or Job 4:8? Proverbs 22:8?
Quote from: pbiflyer on September 17, 2024, 08:17:02 AM
At troubling times like this, I like to turn to the good book for comfort and advice.
Maybe Galations 6:7? Or Job 4:8? Proverbs 22:8?
Good idea but in my sinful ways,
I turn to Scoop!
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 17, 2024, 02:52:53 PM
Good idea but in my sinful ways, I turn to Scoop!
That's funny, dg.
Quote from: Jockey on September 16, 2024, 05:49:46 PM
Did he die? Please. Please.
this is what evil looks like...true character revealed WOW!!
from a guy who labels everyone he disagrees with a racist?? this is just wrong on so many levels!
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 17, 2024, 02:52:53 PM
Good idea but in my sinful ways, I turn to Scoop!
Not many people read the supplement of Dante's Inferno where he talks about the tenth level, a place called scoop. ;D
Quote from: rocket surgeon on September 17, 2024, 07:40:19 PM
this is what evil looks like...true character revealed WOW!!
from a guy who labels everyone he disagrees with a racist?? this is just wrong on so many levels!
Using the N word is just a difference of opinion. You're right to be upset
What is believed to be the body of the Kentucky I-75 shooter has been found. Football can be played Friday.
Quote from: pbiflyer on September 17, 2024, 08:50:16 PM
Not many people read the supplement of Dante's Inferno where he talks about the tenth level, a place called scoop. ;D
I did. :)
T's and P's to Mark Robinson
Why punish him for honesty?
Who will be the Scooper who changes his username?
Probably a pro- life family values guy.
Quote from: Jockey on September 19, 2024, 04:36:56 PM
Who will be the Scooper who changes his username?
Probably a pro- life family values guy.
Pretty sure they'd still vote for Robinson, too, despite these allegations and the whole holocaust denial. After all, he is MLK on steroids
If any scoopers have any leads on jobs, I have officially been let go from my job vetting political candidates for the NCGOP. Prayers appreciated
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on September 19, 2024, 07:09:07 PM
If any scoopers have any leads on jobs, I have officially been let go from my job vetting political candidates for the NCGOP. Prayers appreciated
Why? The party continues to stand behind him, so clearly you did a great job.
Saying slavery wasn't such a bad thing and he wishes it would come back and he'd buy a couple is where the party stands now.
Character revealed, per 4elder.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 19, 2024, 08:32:29 PM
Why? The party continues to stand behind him, so clearly you did a great job.
Saying slavery wasn't such a bad thing and he wishes it would come back and he'd buy a couple is where party stands now.
Character revealed, per 4elder.
Character revealed, indeed
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 19, 2024, 08:32:29 PM
Why? The party continues to stand behind him, so clearly you did a great job.
Saying slavery wasn't such a bad thing and he wishes it would come back and he'd buy a couple is where party stands now.
Character revealed, per 4elder.
It's moreso because the perverted weirdo I was directed to find happened also to be African American. The NCSBDE threatened to pull their donations because of it.
You just can't post about Hitler on the porn forum anymore due to woke.
Here's to you, Mr. Robinson. Don't quit.
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on September 19, 2024, 07:09:07 PM
If any scoopers have any leads on jobs, I have officially been let go from my job vetting political candidates for the NCGOP. Prayers appreciated
Fine, but who gets the ax over JD?
T's and P's for Olivia Nuzzi and RFK, Jr
T's and P's for Matt Gaetz
Meh, I was at parties with 17 year olds where inappropriate things happened. I was 17 and too much a nerd to partake, but I was at the parties.
In addition to all of Mark Robinson's other fun stuff, he's a vile Jew-hater -- and, of course, a favorite of the GOP presidential candidate.
Quote from: MU82 on September 20, 2024, 07:52:45 AM
In addition to all of Mark Robinson's other fun stuff, he's a vile Jew-hater -- and, of course, a favorite of the GOP presidential candidate.
Suppose Bill Ackman has condemned him
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 20, 2024, 07:58:00 AM
Suppose Bill Ackman has condemned him
He plans to file a complaint with the ACC.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 20, 2024, 08:29:36 AM
He plans to file a complaint with the ACC.
The ACC is doomed, so this checks out
Yesterday was an all time day for horny news.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 20, 2024, 08:29:36 AM
He plans to file a complaint with the ACC.
SEC, actually. Auburn will get right on that.
https://www.mediaite.com/sports/billionaire-bill-ackman-mistakenly-asks-college-sports-conference-to-do-something-about-dubious-abc-news-debate-whistleblower/
Billionaire Bill Ackman Mistakenly Asks College Sports Conference to Do Something About Dubious ABC News Debate 'Whistleblower'
Douchey's guy!
Quote from: MU82 on September 20, 2024, 12:24:14 PM
Douchey's guy!
Also his guy. Whoops!
https://x.com/stevanzetti/status/1837172969367359653?s=46
CHICAGO --- The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (FAWB) prevented up to five public mass shootings when it was active between 1994 and 2004, according to previous research. Had the ban stayed in place, it would have prevented up to 38 more mass shootings between 2005 and 2022, a new Northwestern Medicine study has found.
https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2024/september/federal-assault-weapons-ban-could-have-prevented-38-mass-shootings-since-2005/?fj=1
Quote from: Pakuni on September 20, 2024, 03:50:54 PM
CHICAGO --- The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (FAWB) prevented up to five public mass shootings when it was active between 1994 and 2004, according to previous research. Had the ban stayed in place, it would have prevented up to 38 more mass shootings between 2005 and 2022, a new Northwestern Medicine study has found.
https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2024/september/federal-assault-weapons-ban-could-have-prevented-38-mass-shootings-since-2005/?fj=1
Yeah, but it would have infringed on Americans' rights to own weapons of war.
What? No way!
https://apnews.com/article/nyc-subway-shooting-brooklyn-bodycam-video-nypd-14c10f5f5c5d9d9697dfe019b19e1bd1
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on September 20, 2024, 07:34:17 PM
What? No way!
https://apnews.com/article/nyc-subway-shooting-brooklyn-bodycam-video-nypd-14c10f5f5c5d9d9697dfe019b19e1bd1
These two cops deserve commendations. One less felon on the streets of NYC, threatening innocent people.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on September 20, 2024, 09:03:44 PM
These two cops deserve commendations. One less felon on the streets of NYC, threatening innocent people.
Who was a felon?
What works better,
Pervs of a feather, or...
Two pervs in a pod?
Quote from: tower912 on September 21, 2024, 07:59:08 AM
What works better,
Pervs of a feather, or...
Two pervs in a pod?
Two pervs in a pod -R
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on September 20, 2024, 09:03:44 PM
These two cops deserve commendations. One less felon on the streets of NYC, threatening innocent people.
I agree with you about needing to rid the country of felons, especially 34-count felons.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 20, 2024, 10:09:09 PM
The cop that shot the unarmed guy for no reason. Right?
No. I just don't see either party defined as a "felon" in the article.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 21, 2024, 12:06:11 PM
No. I just don't see either party defined as a "felon" in the article.
It was a dog whistle
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on September 21, 2024, 03:08:07 PM
It was a dog whistle
According to the article, the perp was charged with attempted aggravated assault on a police officer; menacing an officer; and weapons charges. I would think that even a mental midget such as yourself could find a felony in that array of charges.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on September 21, 2024, 11:57:19 PM
According to the article, the perp was charged with attempted aggravated assault on a police officer; menacing an officer; and weapons charges. I would think that even a mental midget such as yourself could find a felony in that array of charges.
That doesn't make someone a felon. A felon is convicted of charges.
I would think a mental midget such as yourself would understand our standard of presumption of innocence.
Birmingham.
Guns being guns.
Bad people being bad people. With their favorite accessory.
Quote from: Jockey on September 22, 2024, 10:49:39 AM
Guns being guns.
Guns aren't to blame. This is obviously a result of the epidemic of
*spins wheel* Transgender surgeries on
*spins wheel* illegal aliens
*spins wheel* in prisons
Gives a different twist to mad-libs.
Quote from: tower912 on September 22, 2024, 10:51:44 AM
Bad people being bad people. With their favorite accessory.
As long as a felon got winged, it's great news.
We have long been told that guns do not kill people.
Quote from: tower912 on September 22, 2024, 10:25:19 AM
Birmingham.
The Shooters had a target . As of now no identity of these criminals.
https://nypost.com/2024/09/22/us-news/alabama-nightclub-shooters-used-full-automatic-gun-with-glock-switch-authorities/
https://nypost.com/2024/09/22/us-news/alabama-shooting-leaves-4-killed-at-least-21-injured-in-birmingham/
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 22, 2024, 12:32:51 PM
The Shooters had a target . As of now no identity of these criminals.
https://nypost.com/2024/09/22/us-news/alabama-nightclub-shooters-used-full-automatic-gun-with-glock-switch-authorities/
https://nypost.com/2024/09/22/us-news/alabama-shooting-leaves-4-killed-at-least-21-injured-in-birmingham/
Hopefully the target was a suspected felon.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 22, 2024, 12:34:13 PM
Hopefully the target was a suspected felon.
Hope the guns are found safe
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on September 21, 2024, 11:57:19 PM
According to the article, the perp was charged with attempted aggravated assault on a police officer; menacing an officer; and weapons charges. I would think that even a mental midget such as yourself could find a felony in that array of charges.
Using the word "midget" as a derogatory term is not politically correct. Much like the N words I assume you utter without hesitation
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on September 22, 2024, 08:18:31 PM
Using the word "midget" as a derogatory term is not politically correct. Much like the N words I assume you utter without hesitation
Mental dwarf?
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on September 22, 2024, 08:18:31 PM
Using the word "midget" as a derogatory term is not politically correct. Much like the N words I assume you utter without hesitation
You must lead a very, very unhappy life. Seeing a boogeyman behind every tree. Waking up everyday asking yourself what can I be angry about today.
Thoughts and prayers for a speedy recovery. You can do it.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on September 24, 2024, 10:56:25 AM
You must lead a very, very unhappy life. Seeing a boogeyman behind every tree. Waking up everyday asking yourself what can I be angry about today.
Thoughts and prayers for a speedy recovery. You can do it.
Yes. Showing a minimum amount of respect for people with disabilities means you must be an unhappy person who looks for things to be angry at.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 24, 2024, 11:08:16 AM
Yes. Showing a minimum amount of respect for people with disabilities means you must be an unhappy person who looks for things to be angry at.
At least PLM isn't afraid of a beer can
T's and P's to John McEntee, yet another sexual deviant associated with MAGA. Just another one of those weird coincidences
Quote from: MU82 on September 24, 2024, 01:51:51 PM
Or a Haitian.
Sure, but that's because he's not a cat. Or dog. Or duck.
Goose, on the other hand, should be very afraid of Haitians, especially when he visits a park.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2024, 01:16:51 PM
T's and P's to John McEntee, yet another sexual deviant associated with MAGA. Just another one of those weird coincidences
Maybe we should cut him some slack. As a former UConn quarterback, he's absorbed countless blows to the head and perhaps is suffering from CTE.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2024, 01:16:51 PM
T's and P's to John McEntee, yet another sexual deviant associated with MAGA. Just another one of those weird coincidences
Harvey Weinstein was one of the Democratic Party's biggest booster/donor. And a world class sexual deviant. Just another of those weird coincidences.
Diddy absentee voted for Harris
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 24, 2024, 03:03:25 PM
Harvey Weinstein was one of the Democratic Party's biggest booster/donor. And a world class sexual deviant. Just another of those weird coincidences.
Glad you agree family values plank of MAGA and Christian evangelists has always been a farce.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 24, 2024, 03:05:22 PM
Diddy absentee voted for Harris
https://youtu.be/wBbf3c0P_fc?si=cc_bXNuKoVdI8OXB
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 24, 2024, 03:03:25 PM
Harvey Weinstein was one of the Democratic Party's biggest booster/donor. And a world class sexual deviant. Just another of those weird coincidences.
I am glad he is in jail. Where sexual predators belong.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2024, 03:08:33 PM
https://youtu.be/wBbf3c0P_fc?si=cc_bXNuKoVdI8OXB
Aubrey O'Day sure went downhill fast. Icky
Thot I told u that we won't stop
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 24, 2024, 03:05:22 PM
Diddy absentee voted for Harris
Diddy backed Biden. Bill Cosby? Democrat. And who could forget the left's favorite director, Roman Polanski?
Quote from: tower912 on September 24, 2024, 03:10:12 PM
I am glad he is in jail. Where sexual predators belong.
Agree, 100%.
Anyone arguing Weinstein isn't a sick, vile human being because of party affiliation is shameful.
That's why I'm glad to see Matt Gaetz, Mark Robinson and John McEntee be ostracized by evangelicals
I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I supported sexual predators like that.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2024, 03:14:51 PM
Agree, 100%.
Anyone arguing Weinstein isn't a sick, vile human being because of party affiliation is shameful.
That's why I'm glad to see Matt Gaetz, Mark Robinson and John McEntee be ostracized by evangelicals
Sure. Except left wing Hollywood and Hillary and her friends knew who Harvey was for years. They protected him until the dam broke.
Quote from: tower912 on September 24, 2024, 03:16:16 PM
I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I supported sexual predators like that.
Maybe the family values being espoused are different nowadays. Nailing pornstars while your 3rd wife is pregnant is ok, so it's probably ok to date high schoolers, too
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 24, 2024, 03:18:59 PM
Sure. Except left wing Hollywood and Hillary and her friends knew who Harvey was for years. They protected him until the dam broke.
Sounds familiar about protecting sexual predators. What you're saying is, sexual predators shouldn't be protected.
I agree and glad you agree. Right wing or left wing.
Quote from: tower912 on September 24, 2024, 03:16:16 PM
I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I supported sexual predators like that.
Did you vote for Hillary?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 24, 2024, 03:24:24 PM
Did you vote for Hillary?
How many times are you voting a sexual predator for president?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2024, 03:21:49 PM
Sounds familiar about protecting sexual predators. What you're saying is, sexual predators shouldn't be protected.
I agree and glad you agree. Right wing or left wing.
On that we agree. But I don't recall your outrage here towards Democrats who protected Harvey for years. Maybe I'm forgetting.
I did. I wasn't happy about it. The other candidate bragged it was OK to grab women by the nether regions. So, yes, I chose a candidate I didn't like over an admitted sexual predator.
Quote from: 🏀 on September 24, 2024, 03:29:51 PM
How many times are you voting a sexual predator for president?
I assume you mean Trump. That number would be zero.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 24, 2024, 03:32:16 PM
On that we agree. But I don't recall your outrage here towards Democrats who protected Harvey for years. Maybe I'm forgetting.
I'm glad we agree and I'm glad you're outraged over the news of the past week.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2024, 03:20:01 PM
Maybe the family values being espoused are different nowadays. Nailing pornstars while your 3rd wife is pregnant is ok, so it's probably ok to date high schoolers, too
And bang the young nanny, aina?
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 24, 2024, 03:49:08 PM
And bang the young nanny, aina?
So the family values plank means if the other guys do it, we can do it?
🤔
Huh, aina?