Thoughts and prayers...

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Yes, that is what I'm saying.  Much like the Democrats not codifying reproductive rights.

They've had plenty of opportunities, but they sit on their hands and don't pass overwhelmingly popular legislation ALL THE TIME.

Plus, they could just eliminate the filibuster rule.  You know the Republicans would and will do it the moment they have the chance.  Democrats won't because they're certain that "rules" still exist in politics.  Mitch McConnell's existence should have given them the hint that it doesn't.

As you pointed out, the last time they had 60 seats was 2009. They passed ACA and not gun legislation. I guess you can ding them for that, from 15 years ago.

And they talked about eliminating the filibuster, and Sinema refused. (Manchin was somewhat more vague and let Sinema lead on this one.)

Should they have kicked Sinema and Machin out of the party and give up the majority and therefore eliminate the chance to seat judges?

Again, I think the blame is misplaced when one party is 96% in agreement and the other is 0%.

[Hards Alumni]

As you pointed out, the last time they had 60 seats was 2009. They passed ACA and not gun legislation. I guess you can ding them for that, from 15 years ago.

And they talked about eliminating the filibuster, and Sinema refused. (Manchin was somewhat more vague and let Sinema lead on this one.)

Should they have kicked Sinema and Machin out of the party and give up the majority and therefore eliminate the chance to seat judges?

Again, I think the blame is misplaced when one party is 96% in agreement and the other is 0%.

Yes.  They should have thrown them out the moment they didn't toe the line.  They wouldn't have voted with republicans over judges. 

There are also plenty of other way to eliminate the filibuster.  I can pull them up if you guys want, and post them here, but suffice to say, the D's have no interest in it. 

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Yes.  They should have thrown them out the moment they didn't toe the line.  They wouldn't have voted with republicans over judges. 

There are also plenty of other way to eliminate the filibuster.  I can pull them up if you guys want, and post them here, but suffice to say, the D's have no interest in it.

Having the filibuster raises way more money each election cycle

[TallTitan34]

It sounds like there may be a high-school shooting in Maryland.

[rocky_warrior]

It sounds like there may be a high-school shooting in Maryland.

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/police-presence-at-joppatowne-high-school-following-incident/

There was a fight on campus to known parties. A weapon was brought onto campus and used in the incident.

[Lennys Tap]

Yes, that's what I'm saying.  They're both not really serious about it.  They both get to campaign and raise money from the issue.  Lip service is the American Way.

Solve an issue with legislation and the political benefit basically vanishes. Keeping the issue alive elects congressmen, senators and presidents. For decades or longer. Politics 101.

[Pakuni]

Solve an issue with legislation and the political benefit basically vanishes. Keeping the issue alive elects congressmen, senators and presidents. For decades or longer. Politics 101.

Immigration bill, aina?

[MU82]

Immigration bill, aina?

Yep. The folks that were demanding that something be done refused to take yes for an answer. They wanted the issue to keep existing so they could continue to hammer their enemies on it.

[Uncle Rico]

Immigration bill, aina?

That's different!

[jesmu84]

I am well aware of how it works, I'm not sure you're following along.  If the Democrats can't get their people to vote the way they want, they can kick them out of the party.  They can with hold money from their elections.  There are dozens of ways to get them out of the way of their agenda.

They use these congresspeople as cover so they don't pass legislation that their corporate backers don't like.

Plus if you solve the problems and show the people the government can work for the people ..bruh roh

[Lennys Tap]

Immigration bill, aina?

3.5 years late, 6 months before the election, Biden administration
finally admits there's a crisis at the border which they've totally botched and offers up a bad bill they know will be rejected. Gives them a little cover for their botching. Meanwhile, Rs probably wouldn't have gone along even if the bill was decent.

So yeah, Politics 101.

[wadesworld]

3.5 years late, 6 months before the election, Biden administration
finally admits there's a crisis at the border which they've totally botched and offers up a bad bill they know will be rejected. Gives them a little cover for their botching. Meanwhile, Rs probably wouldn't have gone along even if the bill was decent.

So yeah, Politics 101.

I hope it passes so I can afford a house soon.

[Pakuni]

3.5 years late, 6 months before the election, Biden administration
finally admits there's a crisis at the border which they've totally botched and offers up a bad bill they know will be rejected. Gives them a little cover for their botching. Meanwhile, Rs probably wouldn't have gone along even if the bill was decent.

So yeah, Politics 101.

Math is hard, but not this hard, Lenny.
The election is in November. The immigration deal was introduced the first week of February, after being largely written by the first week of January, following negotiations that had begun in the fall of 2023. That is neither "6 months before the election" or "3.5 years" into the Biden administration ... unless somehow believe Biden was president in the summer of 2020.
And it's worth noting that this bill was more than anything the previous administration had done on the border.

Is it really that hard for you to admit that the Republicans killed the bill on the orders of Daddy Trump? Even the Republicans who co-authored the bill have the integrity to admit that.

[jesmu84]

I am well aware of how it works, I'm not sure you're following along.  If the Democrats can't get their people to vote the way they want, they can kick them out of the party.  They can with hold money from their elections.  There are dozens of ways to get them out of the way of their agenda.

They use these congresspeople as cover so they don't pass legislation that their corporate backers don't like.

Definitely some of that.

There's also the idea that if Congress/Dems show voters that they can actually solve big problems, they'll be expected to continue to do so if they want to keep their jobs. Can't have that.

[Jockey]

Yes.  They should have thrown them out the moment they didn't toe the line.  They wouldn't have voted with republicans over judges. 

There are also plenty of other way to eliminate the filibuster.  I can pull them up if you guys want, and post them here, but suffice to say, the D's have no interest in it.

You think Ds should give up the majority, put McConnell back in charge, AND give up all committee chairmanships voluntarily.

Hate to break it to you, donuts, but most Biden appointed judges would not even get a vote.

[lawdog77]

IBTL

[TSmith34, Inc.]

3.5 years late, 6 months before the election, Biden administration
finally admits there's a crisis at the border which they've totally botched and offers up a bad bill they know will be rejected. Gives them a little cover for their botching. Meanwhile, Rs probably wouldn't have gone along even if the bill was decent.

So yeah, Politics 101.

"Florida Man Says Bill Republicans Wrote Is All Biden's Fault"

[MU82]

James Lankford, the primary architect of the immigration bill, is one of the most conservative voices in Congress. He was interviewed recently for an article that ran in the New York Times Magazine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/10/magazine/james-lankford-senator-interview.html

The article included this exchange with the reporter, Lulu Garcia-Navarro:

Reporter: You seem to have won every concession from Democrats that Republicans wanted. And I'm curious now, in hindsight, why you think that's true. Do you think Democrats and the Biden administration in particular realized that they had a problem on their hands at the Southern border?

Lankford: So, yes, I believe that the administration came to the table because they understood this is spiraling out of control. And quite frankly, I think they perceived they could say, "OK, those crazy Republicans, they forced us to be able to pass this bill, so we're going to implement this," when they actually quietly wanted to say, "OK, we've got to make this stop."

Reporter: Were you optimistic that it could succeed?

Lankford: I was.

Reporter: And all signs indicated that your optimism was actually founded until Trump came out forcefully against the bill. He was basically whipping against it from Mar-a-Lago. Did he call you personally?

Lankford: We did not talk during that time period, actually. And on my part, that was intentional, because of that exact question. I didn't want this to be perceived as, this is President Trump actually trying to run this bill. That would be toxic to my Democrat colleagues. I honestly believe that exact bill would have passed in December, but by the time it got into February, it became immediately the major focus in the election, because, as you recall, the Republican primary suddenly got resolved. It looked very obvious that President Trump was going to be there, and everything collapsed at that point. If that bill would have gone in December, I think it would have passed.

[Uncle Rico]

Thoughts and prayers to London, Kentucky.  I'd suggest putting stronger doors on the expressway or bullet proof windows and bodies on cars.

Here's hoping the gun is found safe.

[Pakuni]

Thoughts and prayers to London, Kentucky.  I'd suggest putting stronger doors on the expressway or bullet proof windows and bodies on cars.

Here's hoping the gun is found safe.

Every vehicle should be assigned a police officer and every driver a gun.

[Uncle Rico]

Every vehicle should be assigned a police officer and every driver a gun.

Fully agree.  These drivers need to be prepared.

[Jockey]

The gov't needs to order all cars to be fitted with a turret and 50 caliber machine gun for our own protection. Let's Mad Max this country.

[Jockey]

35% of this country is already fully onboard with racism, rape, and coups.

Can't they just admit that murder is kinda cool (except for babies).

[Dickthedribbler]

35% of this country is already fully onboard with racism, rape, and coups.

Can't they just admit that murder is kinda cool (except for babies).

Which 35% is that, chief???

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Which 35% is that, chief???

That would be the MAGA base, kemosabe