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Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on December 23, 2020, 02:36:13 AM
Marquette # 42 in Ken Pom today

Quote from: Trump Loves The Big East on January 09, 2021, 11:38:13 AM
BIg East NET rankings as of games of January 8, 2021
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7   7   Villanova   
15   15   Creighton   
18   21   UConn   
37   42   Xavier   
55   56   Seton Hall   
71   74   Marquette   
77   75   Providence   
107   109   St. John's
144   145   DePaul   
155   157   Butler

Quote from: shoothoops on January 13, 2021, 08:42:28 AM
Marquette after home Providence game:

KenPom 65
NCAA Net 51

Quote from: shoothoops on January 13, 2021, 08:42:28 AM
Marquette after home Providence game:

KenPom 65
NCAA Net 51

Quote from: BM1090 on January 13, 2021, 09:39:50 AM
51 in Kenpom, 65 in the NET.

Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 13, 2021, 09:10:51 AM
Where do you find the NCAA net? And what are the NET rankings Seditionist Loves the Big East is posting?

Quote from: shoothoops on January 13, 2021, 10:00:54 AM
Lunardi has Marquette 7 teams removed from the NCAA Tourney today:

https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1349384631813083138?s=19

Quote from: Trump Loves The Big East on January 17, 2021, 10:12:11 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 16, 2021
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8   8   Villanova   
23   17   Creighton   
24   25   UConn   
39   39   Xavier   
51   52   Seton Hall   
65   66   Marquette   
82   84   Providence   
121   108   St. John's
144   167   Butler   
149   174   DePaul   
161   157   Georgetown

Quote from: Trump Loves The Big East on January 18, 2021, 01:32:17 PM
January 18,2021
AP
3.Nova
11. Creighton
23. U Conn
Others Receiving Votes
X
Coaches Poll
3. Nova
11.Creighton
Others Receiving Votes
U Conn , X

Quote from: Trump Loves The Big East on January 19, 2021, 08:37:34 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 18,2021
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8   8   Villanova   
23   23   Creighton   
38   39   Xavier   
39   25   UConn   
53   52   Seton Hall   
66   65   Marquette   
82   80   Providence   
98   122   St. John's
144   145   Butler   
148   155   Georgetown   
158   148   DePaul

Quote from: The Big East on January 22, 2021, 08:59:28 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 21,2021
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8   7   Villanova   
27   29   Creighton   
39   39   Xavier   
45   44   UConn   
50   54   Seton Hall   
66   67   Marquette   
67   68   Providence   
100   102   St. John's
129   132   Butler
148   150   Georgetown   
201   201   DePaul

Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 22, 2021, 02:28:30 PM
We desperately need to put some space between us and Providence.

Quote from: BLM on January 22, 2021, 02:31:09 PM
Again, there is no set amount of bids the Big East can get.  If Providence gets into the NCAA Tournament, it has no effect on whether or not Marquette will get into the NCAA Tournament.

Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 22, 2021, 09:16:20 PM
Well there are only so many at large spots, so actually it does.  When both teams are on the bubble having a distinguishing factor in the resume can make a difference. 

Otherwise equally resumes and only one has a win at Creighton... That team gets in.  Well now we don't have that.

So beating Providence again is key to keeping us ahead of them in the bubble pecking order

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 24, 2021, 09:36:11 AM
Well, at least we have now successfully distanced ourselves from Providence.

Quote from: The Big East on January 31, 2021, 07:44:50 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 30,2021
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7   8   Villanova   
27   23   Creighton   
33   36   Xavier   
45   44   UConn   
59   57   Seton Hall   
73   66   Providence   
89   85   St. John's
91   84   Marquette   
128   143   Georgetown   
134   127   Butler   
160   157   DePaul

Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 31, 2021, 10:13:51 AM
1. We're awful
2. The conference is awful

Quote from: BLM on February 01, 2021, 06:50:58 PM
What I don't get is how Oklahoma can be ranked in the top 10 and Xavier is unranked.  Xavier doesn't necessarily need to be ranked above them, but they have a better record and ran them out of the gym in their head to head.

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 01, 2021, 07:52:32 PM
Apparently you haven't paid any attention to what Oklahoma did in January.

Quote from: BLM on February 01, 2021, 07:54:06 PM
I have. Like I said, I don't think they need to be ahead of Oklahoma. But I think a team that is 11-2 and blew the doors off of Oklahoma should probably be ranked. There are teams with 6 losses that are ranked.

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 31, 2021, 11:11:00 AM
If the tourney started today, I think this is a 4-bid league.

Quote from: The Big East on February 02, 2021, 10:38:30 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 1, 2021
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93   93   Marquette   

Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 02, 2021, 10:51:55 AM
New season goal: finish ahead of Army (89)

Quote from: The Big East on February 03, 2021, 07:41:28 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 2, 2021
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6   6   Villanova   
24   26   Creighton   
34   35   Xavier   
46   46   UConn   
57   57   Seton Hall
75   73   Providence   
82   85   St. John's
93   93   Marquette   
129   128   Georgetown   
131   135   Butler   
167   164   DePaul

Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 03, 2021, 01:29:17 PM
Man, that Butler win really moved the needle.

Quote from: The Big East on February 04, 2021, 07:02:53 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 3,2021
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11   6   Villanova   
33   34   Xavier   
34   24   Creighton   
45   46   UConn   
50   57   Seton Hall   
68   82   St. John's
86   75   Providence   
97   93   Marquette   
110   129   Georgetown   
131   131   Butler   
167   167   DePaul

Quote from: DoctorV on February 04, 2021, 07:11:23 PM
14 spot jump for the johnnies for beating Nova, 19 spot jump for Hoyas beating Creighton, both with heavy margins.

So...
MU beats Creighton and jumps up 8-10 spots. MU beats Bova and jumps up 15ish spots (both depending on margin of course).

Move from the mid 90s to the 70ish range in half a week. Tack on another 3/4 wins (at the very least 4 if Gtown gets added back) and finish in the 55-65 range in NET to earn a bid with a sweat. The computer numbers still won't be lock status but the 4 quality wins (UW, CUx2, Nova) should be enough to get MU in.

This is pretty much the best scenario, and only "feeling relatively comfortable" scenario I see remaining. Splitting the next two and finishing 5-0 or 6-0 would likely do it too (11-8 or 12-8 in conference) or splitting and finishing with 1 additional loss at 10-9 or 11-9 would probably mean squarely on the bubble.

Lose both and should be curtains. All of the above doesn't take into account the BET, which is probably no lock with regards to even happening.

Disclaimer 1A: all of the above is crazy talk for nojos, or perhaps even a majority of the board.
Disclaimer 1B: if brew disagrees listen to him

Quote from: DoctorV on February 04, 2021, 07:11:23 PM
14 spot jump for the johnnies for beating Nova, 19 spot jump for Hoyas beating Creighton, both with heavy margins.

So...
MU beats Creighton and jumps up 8-10 spots. MU beats Bova and jumps up 15ish spots (both depending on margin of course).

Move from the mid 90s to the 70ish range in half a week. Tack on another 3/4 wins (at the very least 4 if Gtown gets added back) and finish in the 55-65 range in NET to earn a bid with a sweat. The computer numbers still won't be lock status but the 4 quality wins (UW, CUx2, Nova) should be enough to get MU in.

This is pretty much the best scenario, and only "feeling relatively comfortable" scenario I see remaining. Splitting the next two and finishing 5-0 or 6-0 would likely do it too (11-8 or 12-8 in conference) or splitting and finishing with 1 additional loss at 10-9 or 11-9 would probably mean squarely on the bubble.

Lose both and should be curtains. All of the above doesn't take into account the BET, which is probably no lock with regards to even happening.

Disclaimer 1A: all of the above is crazy talk for nojos, or perhaps even a majority of the board.
Disclaimer 1B: if brew disagrees listen to him

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 05, 2021, 08:39:37 AM
I'd like to see the S-Curve for the Vegas 16.

Quote from: The Big East on February 06, 2021, 09:23:10 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 5,2021
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12   12   Villanova   
34   34   Creighton   
35   35   Xavier   
43   43   UConn   
49   48   Seton Hall   
67   67   St. John's
85   87   Providence   
99   98   Marquette   
112   111   Georgetown   
133   131   Butler   
165   166   DePaul

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 06, 2021, 10:50:05 AM
Every day we creep one spot closer to triple digits.

Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 07, 2021, 08:38:55 AM
102 this morning

Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on February 07, 2021, 09:02:13 AM
First time in the NET's young history that we drop into the 100's.

Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 07, 2021, 09:09:13 AM
Stan Johnson first year at LMU, trails MU by only 19 spots at 121.

Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on February 07, 2021, 09:16:06 AM
Virginia Tech, being under two seasons removed from a Buzz purge, is sitting comfortably with a 14-4 record and a top-40 NET ranking.  Their head coach came into a situation where each of the recruits followed Buzz to A&M and the program lost its top-6 contributors from the year before.  Last year, they still managed to go 16-16 (MU went 13-19 in Wojo's first year). 

I bring this up because for the past few years, many posters argued that Wojo's first season should not count towards his resume at MU.  Why is it that other programs, like Stan at LMU, or Mike Young at VT, can go into a program and get the team to be competitive from day one?  Wojo's first season should have been considered a red flag, as many other examples have had.

Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 07, 2021, 08:38:55 AM
102 this morning

Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on February 07, 2021, 09:16:06 AM
Virginia Tech, being under two seasons removed from a Buzz purge, is sitting comfortably with a 14-4 record and a top-40 NET ranking.  Their head coach came into a situation where each of the recruits followed Buzz to A&M and the program lost its top-6 contributors from the year before.  Last year, they still managed to go 16-16 (MU went 13-19 in Wojo's first year). 

I bring this up because for the past few years, many posters argued that Wojo's first season should not count towards his resume at MU.  Why is it that other programs, like Stan at LMU, or Mike Young at VT, can go into a program and get the team to be competitive from day one?  Wojo's first season should have been considered a red flag, as many other examples have had.

Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on February 07, 2021, 09:16:06 AM
Virginia Tech, being under two seasons removed from a Buzz purge, is sitting comfortably with a 14-4 record and a top-40 NET ranking.  Their head coach came into a situation where each of the recruits followed Buzz to A&M and the program lost its top-6 contributors from the year before.  Last year, they still managed to go 16-16 (MU went 13-19 in Wojo's first year). 

I bring this up because for the past few years, many posters argued that Wojo's first season should not count towards his resume at MU.  Why is it that other programs, like Stan at LMU, or Mike Young at VT, can go into a program and get the team to be competitive from day one?  Wojo's first season should have been considered a red flag, as many other examples have had.

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 07, 2021, 09:46:24 AM
MU officially has a fever.

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 07, 2021, 09:46:24 AM
MU officially has a fever.

Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on February 07, 2021, 09:16:06 AM
Virginia Tech, being under two seasons removed from a Buzz purge, is sitting comfortably with a 14-4 record and a top-40 NET ranking.  Their head coach came into a situation where each of the recruits followed Buzz to A&M and the program lost its top-6 contributors from the year before.  Last year, they still managed to go 16-16 (MU went 13-19 in Wojo's first year). 

I bring this up because for the past few years, many posters argued that Wojo's first season should not count towards his resume at MU.  Why is it that other programs, like Stan at LMU, or Mike Young at VT, can go into a program and get the team to be competitive from day one?  Wojo's first season should have been considered a red flag, as many other examples have had.

Quote from: CountryRoads on February 07, 2021, 09:56:13 AM
Wojo said in his first press conference that "this is not a patch job." So, what he does in his first offseason is bring in zero of his own players with the exception of a grad transfer Carlino who played the most minutes on the team and took the most shots only to be gone next year. The following year they scheduled so poorly that even a 20 win big east team couldn't sniff the NIT bubble. He was a massive failure in years one and two.

Also, in my opinion, he got very lucky with the Reinhardt "patch job" as he was really the difference in squeaking in the NCAA in year three.

Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 07, 2021, 11:13:19 AM
Was the schedule his fault in year 2? I thought the AD scheduled that in advance by a few years

Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on February 07, 2021, 09:16:06 AM
Virginia Tech, being under two seasons removed from a Buzz purge, is sitting comfortably with a 14-4 record and a top-40 NET ranking.  Their head coach came into a situation where each of the recruits followed Buzz to A&M and the program lost its top-6 contributors from the year before.  Last year, they still managed to go 16-16 (MU went 13-19 in Wojo's first year). 

I bring this up because for the past few years, many posters argued that Wojo's first season should not count towards his resume at MU.  Why is it that other programs, like Stan at LMU, or Mike Young at VT, can go into a program and get the team to be competitive from day one?  Wojo's first season should have been considered a red flag, as many other examples have had.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 09, 2021, 12:15:00 PM
big stretch for St. John's if the conference is going to get a sixth team into the tourney.  At Butler then home against X and DePaul. 3-0 in that stretch should put them solidly in.

It will be interesting to see if the UConn in Queens game gets rescheduled.

Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 09, 2021, 12:22:18 PM
Kudos to St. John's.  It's pretty staggering that, less than two years into his time there, Mike Anderson has his program ahead of Wojo and Marquette.  Just watching their games against us, you can already see the culture he's trying to instill there, as opposed to the playground ball they played under Mullen.  They're a fun team to watch and I'll be rooting for them in the tournament, if they make it.

Quote from: MU82 on February 09, 2021, 01:17:44 PM
Agree about St. John's. Anderson is doing a fine job there so far.

It took Anderson 3 seasons at Mizzou to get to the NCAAs and 4 seasons at Arkansas to get there. It also should be noted that after his Elite 8 run at Mizzou in 2009, he has won only 3 NCAA tourney games in 11 years, never getting to the second weekend in that span.

Of course, those are 3 more NCAA tourney wins than Wojo has, and Wojo doesn't have the luxury of an E8 run to fall back on.

Despite a pretty solid record at Arkansas, officials there fired him as soon as he had a losing conference record in his 8th season. Said the AD: "We have not sustained a consistent level of success against the most competitive teams in the nation to enable us to compete for SEC and NCAA Championships on an annual basis. That will continue to be the benchmark for our success throughout our athletic program."

Many Scoopers think that should be our standard, too, and I agree. Anderson was fired even though he had gone to 3 NCAATs in 4 years - as was the case for Wojo entering this year (assuming a bid last year). It's time for Wojo to go.

Anderson did lose to Wojo in this season's first meeting and then barely beat Wojo in the rematch. The loss was the only one for StJ in the last month, and the win was StJ's most narrow win in that span. So it's not as though he has dominated Wojo.

From afar, not following St. John's as intently as I do Marquette, I like the way Anderson coaches, and I'd trade Wojo for him in a heartbeat. But calling Anderson an "elite" coach would seem a stretch, and we'll see how well he does at St. John's going forward.

As for St. John's players ...

Posh will be a pain in our posterior for 3 more years. Champagnie ... it's hard to believe he will stay in college past next season. Indeed, his twin brother is said to be likely to leave Pitt after this season, and there has been more than a little speculation that Julian might go pro too.

Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 09, 2021, 02:06:56 PM
Unless I missed it, I don't think anyone called Anderson an "elite" coach, though I agree with you that he isn't one.  However, if St. John's makes it this year, it will be the fourth program he's taken to the NCAAT.  At each of his three previous stops, he's guided his team to the Tournament three times.  That's really good consistency, and shows that no matter where he goes, he'll be able to build a winner.  That's the type of coach you want to look for when you're a program that can't just hire whoever it wants.  St. John's was lucky to get him; he's probably better than they deserved.

And I was thinking the same thing about Champagnie.  If he has a really good string of games down the stretch this year, he might go pro and *might* be a second round pick.  It would suck for St. John's and the conference as a whole, but that's just how it is nowadays.  With few exceptions, guys don't stick around anymore.

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 09, 2021, 01:09:12 PM
Anderson deserves a lot of props. Champagnie was unranked coming out of high school, I believe Seton Hall was his only other high major offer. Alexander was ranked #254 and a handful of high major offers but none from elite programs. It takes a quality coach to identify talent that no one else is seeing.

Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on February 09, 2021, 03:41:52 PM
Anderson is 1 of only 4 current coaches with at least 15 years as a head coach to never have a losing record.

I love the intensity St. John's is playing with under his leadership.

Quote from: MU82 on February 09, 2021, 02:11:50 PM
Fair enough. Anderson certainly has been a good coach, and St. John's definitely is fortunate that he fell in their lap.

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 09, 2021, 08:01:35 PM
Considering what a sh**show that hiring process was, they are incredibly fortunate. Bobby Hurley, Porter Moser, Ryan Odom, and Tim Cluess all turned them down. They were considering Frank Haith and Paul Hewitt, neither of whom have done anything impressive of late. It's like they slipped and fell ass-backwards into a pile of $20 bills.

Quote from: MU82 on February 09, 2021, 10:31:37 PM
Wojo was the worst coach in the history of mankind because MU blew a lead to Butler but hung on to win.

Anderson just blew a lead to Butler and lost.

Quote from: MU82 on February 09, 2021, 10:31:37 PM
Wojo was the worst coach in the history of mankind because MU blew a lead to Butler but hung on to win.

Anderson just blew a lead to Butler and lost.

Quote from: The Big East on February 11, 2021, 08:29:32 AM
Big East NET Ranking as of games of February 10, 2021
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9   11   Villanova   
29   29   Creighton
32   33   Xavier   
46   45   Seton Hall   
62   51   UConn   
71   70   St. John's
85   93   Providence   
108   101   Marquette   
111   115   Georgetown   
124   123   Butler   
172   168   DePaul

Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 02, 2021, 10:51:55 AM
New season goal: finish ahead of Army (89)

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 14, 2021, 08:55:50 AM
This is a depressing thread especially when you consider next year will be worse. At least a coaching change would give hope.

Quote from: The Big East on February 15, 2021, 07:51:33 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 14, 2021
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13   13   Villanova   
22   22   Creighton   
40   39   Xavier   
44   42   Seton Hall   
58   58   UConn   
73   73   St. John's
81   81   Providence   
105   104   Georgetown   
109   110   Marquette
133   133   Butler
184   185   DePaul

Quote from: The Big East on February 16, 2021, 07:28:49 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 15, 2021
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13   13   Villanova   
23   22   Creighton   
40   40   Xavier   
45   44   Seton Hall   
59   58   UConn   
73   73   St. John's
82   81   Providence   
104   105   Georgetown   
107   109   Marquette   
132   133   Butler   
183   184   DePaul

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 16, 2021, 07:49:41 AM
Big East is hot trash this year

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 16, 2021, 08:01:56 AM
I doubt (for a number of reasons) that we get Moser but for those who still think he is not the real deal, please note that Loyola's NET ranking is 10.

Nah. Not good enough!

Quote from: BLM on February 16, 2021, 08:21:04 AM
And yet if you listen to guys like Norlander and Parish, they're still debating (though agree that they would get in) whether Loyola would get into the NCAA Tournament if they don't win their conference tournament.

Quote from: BLM on February 16, 2021, 08:21:04 AM
And yet if you listen to guys like Norlander and Parish, they're still debating (though agree that they would get in) whether Loyola would get into the NCAA Tournament if they don't win their conference tournament.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 16, 2021, 08:27:17 AM
And quite frankly, that is a problem.  Loyola absolutely is a tournament team this year.  There are not 34 at-large teams or whatever the number is now, better than them

Quote from: The Lens on February 16, 2021, 09:11:25 AM
They'll get in bc the Ivy League is not playing so that opens up a bunch of spots.

Quote from: BM1090 on February 16, 2021, 09:54:00 AM
It opens up one spot.

But I agree they will get in.

Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 16, 2021, 10:09:14 AM
I think that post was a reference to the "You need 68 teams for a 68 team tournament, so you who picking over Marquette, huh?" thread from a while back.

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 16, 2021, 09:41:43 AM
37 this year. And while you may be right, their resume is almost entirely built of beating teams ranked 100 or worse badly. Their only top-100 kenpom wins are North Texas and this past weekend over Drake, two teams that are similarly propped up by beating sub-100 teams badly. Their only games against NCAA caliber competition was a big loss to Wisconsin & a close loss to a Richmond team that's on the wrong side of the bubble.

I'm generally an advocate for more mid-majors, but one thing I've learned to count on from years of brackets is the Selection Committee will take leftover l mediocre high-major resumes over gaudy but insubstantial mid-majors every chance they get. I suspect LUC's NET is just too good to leave out, but if they take another loss to a team that isn't Drake, I could easily see them being left out in favor of a Maryland or UConn.

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 16, 2021, 11:52:42 AM
Do 11 teams make the BE tournament, or does last place get left at home?  Asking for a friend.

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 16, 2021, 02:13:32 PM
Everyone is in. 6 plays 11, 7 plays 10, 8 plays 9 on Wednesday.

Quote from: MUDPT on February 16, 2021, 02:25:14 PM
Just for kicks, I put in our schedule on Teamcast, if we win out, we are still the 24th team on the bubble.  Big East Tournament title or bust.

Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 16, 2021, 02:37:36 PM
But I guess they have tv contracts in place, which is reason enough.

Quote from: BM1090 on February 16, 2021, 02:17:14 PM
Is this confirmed? I've looked everywhere, including the Big East website. Assuming you're correct but have not seen anything to verify it.

Quote from: The Big East on February 18, 2021, 08:31:44 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 17, 2021
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13   12   Villanova   
23   23   Creighton   
44   41   Seton Hall   
50   49   Xavier   
52   54   UConn   
67   66   St. John's
83   82   Providence   
99   108   Marquette   
105   103   Georgetown   
143   131   Butler   
179   180   DePaul

Quote from: lessthannick11 on February 18, 2021, 08:39:06 AM

WE DID IT!!!!!
EXTENSIONS ALL AROUND!!!!

Quote from: The Big East on February 18, 2021, 08:31:44 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 17, 2021
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13   12   Villanova   
23   23   Creighton   
44   41   Seton Hall   
50   49   Xavier   
52   54   UConn   
67   66   St. John's
83   82   Providence   
99   108   Marquette   
105   103   Georgetown   
143   131   Butler   
179   180   DePaul

Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 22, 2021, 12:12:12 PM
Anyone know what a reasonable guess at our ranking would be if we beat UNC Wednesday?

Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 22, 2021, 12:12:12 PM
Anyone know what a reasonable guess at our ranking would be if we beat UNC Wednesday?

Quote from: bilsu on February 23, 2021, 04:36:24 PM
Does MU scheduling UNC and losing by double digits hurt all the other Big East teams Net ranking?

Quote from: DoctorV on February 24, 2021, 10:50:05 PM
I'll go with 86

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2021, 07:44:02 AM
DePaul back down to Q4 status.

Best thing for the conference would be for St. John's, Providence, Marquette, and DePaul to keep winning.

Quote from: DoctorV on February 24, 2021, 10:50:05 PM
I'll go with 86

Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 25, 2021, 08:49:52 AM
Nice do You have a NET computer 👍

Quote from: DoctorV on February 25, 2021, 09:02:44 AM
I think the best thing in conference for MU, outside of the obvious of winning the next three and finishing 9-10 in conference, would be to jump ahead of Georgetown, Butler, Providence, St John's, and X in the standings before the BET.

That would leave Marquette in the 5th seed behind Nova, CU, SH, UConn. At the end of the day options matter, just like numbers do, and I don't think Marquette will even be in the at large convo with a 6 seed or lower in a 4/5 bid conference.

I also still find it hard to believe that the BE doesn't get at the very least 4 bids, and MUs win last night helped with that. I think the easiest to "fall off" is X because of so few games played. They are currently .500 with CU, Gtown and MU left. If they split the next two and Marquette beats them on the final Matchday to finish off the end of the season winning streak then Marquette definitely jumps ahead of them in the pecking order imo (MU would be 9-10 and have a better winning percentage than 6-7 X and higher seed).

As for Providence and St John's- they play each other next so one goes to 8-10. St J then plays SH and Providence then plays Nova. I think the best scenario here is that the Friars win the head to head and then hopefully lose to Nova. They can both finish up 9-10 and I have no idea on the tie breakers, both were season splits.

As an aside- Gtown play at DePaul on Saturday. I know this probably seems wild but MU should try to convince them to come up to mke on Sunday. Both would be playing B2b games and Marquette after flying back from the east coast but desperate times call for desperate measures!

Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 25, 2021, 09:34:50 AM
I sort of agree with the GTown thing. I mean if Wojo truly thinks they have an outside shot at a bid then he needs to be pressuring everybody and their mother (Scholl, GTown AD, Ewing, Val) to get that game made up. If he doesn't believe we have a shot well then I hope he gets a pink slip.

Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 25, 2021, 09:34:50 AM
I sort of agree with the GTown thing. I mean if Wojo truly thinks they have an outside shot at a bid then he needs to be pressuring everybody and their mother (Scholl, GTown AD, Ewing, Val) to get that game made up. If he doesn't believe we have a shot well then I hope he gets a pink slip.

Quote from: DoctorV on February 25, 2021, 09:02:44 AM
I also still find it hard to believe that the BE doesn't get at the very least 4 bids, and MUs win last night helped with that. I think the easiest to "fall off" is X because of so few games played. They are currently .500 with CU, Gtown and MU left. If they split the next two and Marquette beats them on the final Matchday to finish off the end of the season winning streak then Marquette definitely jumps ahead of them in the pecking order imo (MU would be 9-10 and have a better winning percentage than 6-7 X and higher seed).

As an aside- Gtown play at DePaul on Saturday. I know this probably seems wild but MU should try to convince them to come up to mke on Sunday. Both would be playing B2b games and Marquette after flying back from the east coast but desperate times call for desperate measures!

Quote from: cheebs09 on February 25, 2021, 09:50:07 AM
Does that Georgetown game move the needle any? I don't think a win moves us up any. The only difference would be a cosmetic one of conference record. I don't think the committee really looks at that though.

Quote from: cheebs09 on February 25, 2021, 09:50:07 AM
Does that Georgetown game move the needle any? I don't think a win moves us up any. The only difference would be a cosmetic one of conference record. I don't think the committee really looks at that though.

Quote from: drewm88 on February 25, 2021, 09:58:44 AM
TRank agrees. https://barttorvik.com/teamcast.php?team=Marquette&year=2021

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2021, 07:44:02 AM
DePaul back down to Q4 status.

Best thing for the conference would be for St. John's, Providence, Marquette, and DePaul to keep winning.

Quote from: drewm88 on February 25, 2021, 09:58:44 AM
TRank agrees. https://barttorvik.com/teamcast.php?team=Marquette&year=2021

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2021, 10:44:46 AM
I ran the numbers a few years ago and while a fun tool, Teamcast is terrible for predictions.

Quote from: drewm88 on February 25, 2021, 11:04:41 AM
I'll take your word for it. Any idea if he's improved it since then?

Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 26, 2021, 05:33:23 PM
Marquette's BPI Ranking is 73 Today and MU's Kenpom Ranking is 75 Today.

Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 26, 2021, 05:33:23 PM
Marquette's BPI Ranking is 73 Today and MU's Kenpom Ranking is 75 Today.

Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on February 28, 2021, 12:49:22 PM
Horrid.  ::)

Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 01, 2021, 11:30:21 AM
Big East is bad this year, no?

Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 01, 2021, 11:30:21 AM
Big East is bad this year, no?

Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 01, 2021, 10:55:40 PM
Arkansas Pine Bluff losing in OT in conference tourney and Green Bay losing in 1st round in 2OT in conference tournament are not helping Marquette ugh.

Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 01, 2021, 10:55:40 PM
Arkansas Pine Bluff losing in OT in conference tourney and Green Bay losing in 1st round in 2OT in conference tournament are not helping Marquette ugh.

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 02, 2021, 09:24:23 AM
Just out curiosity, how does that affect Marquette in the slightest?

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 02, 2021, 10:33:09 AM
UAPB really doesn't. They were underdogs and forcing OT probably helped them. Green Bay was a favorite and winning would've given them the chance to win again and improve our NET. Though ultimately, I doubt it has much impact.

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 02, 2021, 10:42:45 AM

Less than 24 hours after UWGB's loss, their two top scorers (Amari Davis and Josh Jefferson) entered the transfer portal.

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 02, 2021, 10:55:51 AM
That happened prior to the game. Neither played. They also had three other players enter the portal at the same time. Getting Baby BOned?

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 02, 2021, 10:55:51 AM
That happened prior to the game. Neither played. They also had three other players enter the portal at the same time. Getting Baby BOned?

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 02, 2021, 11:21:11 AM
Were any of them their guards that played so well against us?  Granted, that's the only 40 minutes of UWGB basketball I watched this year, but my recollection is that their guards were pretty darn good, albeit smallish.

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 02, 2021, 12:11:28 PM
One of them played well against us. Josh Jefferson had 17 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 turnover but was 3/9 from 2 and 3/11 from 3 so he needed a lot of shots for those 17 points. Amari Davis did not play as well against us, 7 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 turnovers, 2/8 from 2 and 0/1 from 3.

I would not hate picking up Josh Jefferson. He's 6'2 190, has an assist rate of 21.5 (334th in D1) a TO% of 13.6 (359th), and is a capable 3P shooter (34%). I could see him being a very capable ball controlling backup PG.

Davis I don't see translating to the high major level as well. Some high major will likely take a flier on him but I wouldn't expect him to be a major contributor.

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 02, 2021, 12:24:47 PM
Thanks for reply.  I guess my memory is not good...I thought I remembered one of their guards going off from three on us.

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 02, 2021, 12:27:12 PM
Probably remembering PJ Pipes, who went 4/10 from 3, 8/15 overall, and led the Phoenix with 22 points, but he's a senior. No idea his future plans.

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 02, 2021, 10:33:09 AM
UAPB really doesn't. They were underdogs and forcing OT probably helped them. Green Bay was a favorite and winning would've given them the chance to win again and improve our NET. Though ultimately, I doubt it has much impact.

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 02, 2021, 01:25:59 PM
Yeah, I just don't see how NET is even relevant at this point.  Its win the BET or bust for Marquette.  Its not like Marquette has a chance of getting in at 8-11, even with a run to the BET final.  If anything, we should be rooting for results that get Nova the #2 seed so someone else can beat them and we don't have to play them in the 2nd round, if we're lucky enough to win next Wednesday..

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 02, 2021, 01:48:38 PM
My hope is for a blowout win tonight to get us to the top-75 of NET. Not for us, but for the resumes of the rest of our league.

Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 03, 2021, 12:35:34 AM
Just checked today's updated NET Marquette # 88 but MU has 4 Quad 1 Wins. Nobody outside of the Top NET 46 has more than 4 Quad 1 Wins.

Quote from: MuggsyB on March 03, 2021, 01:04:45 AM
What's the 4th quad 1 win?  We could make the NIT with 2 more wins but I doubt it.

Quote from: UWW2MU on March 03, 2021, 11:36:05 AM
Crazy to think that if just a few little things went a little differently that we'd be sitting decently on the bubble.  Say if the vs DePaul, @Prov, and @Xavier were wins (which they all easily could have been), this would be a real solid resume for the bubble.

Despite how poorly we've played, it's only a few turnovers or a couple missed shots away from dancing... which I find astounding.

Quote from: UWW2MU on March 03, 2021, 11:36:05 AM
Crazy to think that if just a few little things went a little differently that we'd be sitting decently on the bubble.  Say if the vs DePaul, @Prov, and @Xavier were wins (which they all easily could have been), this would be a real solid resume for the bubble.

Despite how poorly we've played, it's only a few turnovers or a couple missed shots away from dancing... which I find astounding.

Quote from: UWW2MU on March 03, 2021, 11:36:05 AM
Crazy to think that if just a few little things went a little differently that we'd be sitting decently on the bubble.  Say if the vs DePaul, @Prov, and @Xavier were wins (which they all easily could have been), this would be a real solid resume for the bubble.

Despite how poorly we've played, it's only a few turnovers or a couple missed shots away from dancing... which I find astounding.

Quote from: UWW2MU on March 03, 2021, 11:36:05 AM
Crazy to think that if just a few little things went a little differently that we'd be sitting decently on the bubble.  Say if the vs DePaul, @Prov, and @Xavier were wins (which they all easily could have been), this would be a real solid resume for the bubble.

Despite how poorly we've played, it's only a few turnovers or a couple missed shots away from dancing... which I find astounding.

Quote from: UWW2MU on March 03, 2021, 11:36:05 AM
Crazy to think that if just a few little things went a little differently that we'd be sitting decently on the bubble.  Say if the vs DePaul, @Prov, and @Xavier were wins (which they all easily could have been), this would be a real solid resume for the bubble.

Despite how poorly we've played, it's only a few turnovers or a couple missed shots away from dancing... which I find astounding.

Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 03, 2021, 04:57:40 PM
It's not astounding at all.  That's sports.  If we hadn't been completely lucky on the Lewis tip, we wouldn't have beat Wisconsin.  If Zegarowski hadn't shot himself in the d!ck the first time we played Creighton, that would also likely have been a loss.  And there go our two best wins.

Not astounding at all.  Over the course of a season, things tend to even out and you are what you are.

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 02, 2021, 11:21:11 AM
Were any of them their guards that played so well against us?  Granted, that's the only 40 minutes of UWGB basketball I watched this year, but my recollection is that their guards were pretty darn good, albeit smallish.

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 02, 2021, 12:27:12 PM
Probably remembering PJ Pipes, who went 4/10 from 3, 8/15 overall, and led the Phoenix with 22 points, but he's a senior. No idea his future plans.

Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 03, 2021, 04:57:40 PM
It's not astounding at all.  That's sports.  If we hadn't been completely lucky on the Lewis tip, we wouldn't have beat Wisconsin.  If Zegarowski hadn't shot himself in the d!ck the first time we played Creighton, that would also likely have been a loss.  And there go our two best wins.

Not astounding at all.  Over the course of a season, things tend to even out and you are what you are.

Quote from: CountryRoads on March 03, 2021, 11:26:10 PM
I'd say all of these losses were hanging in the balance in the final minutes (UCONN pulled away but that was an 18 point blown lead).

@Seton Hall
Oklahoma State
@UCLA
Seton Hall
@Xavier
UCONN
DePaul
@Providence
St John's
Creighton
Seton Hall

I'd count maybe 3 close ones that were teetering in the final minutes that went our way. So, of the 15 "close" games, we only came away with 3 of them. That's a problem.

Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2021, 11:56:17 AM
Losing close games is usually a reflection of 3 things (IMHO):

1. Poor coaching.

2. Lack of a "closer" on the team.

3. Bad luck.

I'd say we had/have a combination of all three.

Kunkel has turned out to be a mediocre-at-best player but against us he hit everything, including the winner that he literally threw in from 30 feet. That was extraordinarily bad luck. Probably a couple others can be in that category, too. Of course, the win over Wisconsin has to go into the good luck pile - first, a borderline foul call, then Justin's tip-in - so maybe they cancel each other out.

DJ is the nearest we have to a closer, but he is not the most consistent player in the land. We certainly have nothing close to a proven go-to guy in the clutch.

As for point No. 1 ... nuff said.

Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 04, 2021, 06:37:22 PM
Marquette's Standard Pomeroy Rating  is 76 and Our BPI is 76 too today.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 04, 2021, 04:53:22 PM
Mike

Pomeroy has us ranked as the 222nd "luckiest" team out of 357 - IOW, a little more unlucky than average.

I agree with Pomeroy that we've been a little unlucky. I also agree with you that coaching and the lack of a closer has made us a little more prone to "bad luck".

Quote from: The Big East on March 04, 2021, 06:32:27 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 3, 2021
New  Old
10   11   Villanova   
25   23   Creighton   
33   34   UConn   
53   53   Xavier   
56   52   Seton Hall   
69   74   St. John's
82   79   Providence   
89   88   Marquette   
91   89   Georgetown   
113   114   Butler   
167   167   DePaul

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 04, 2021, 06:41:11 PM
68 in Haslam
65 in TRank

Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 05, 2021, 01:50:02 AM
Marquette Ranks #64 in DRatings

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 05, 2021, 11:02:40 AM
With all the best sites within the same range on their point estimates, this begs to question the accuracy of the NET ratings which has MU at 90. Personally, I think it is very positively biased toward the large conference B1G in the shortened COVID year, whereas the smaller BE gets hosed especially with so many games cancelled.

Don't get me wrong about thinking MU is a bubble team, but teams like Indiana, MSU, Stanford and Duke are not bubble teams by quality but they are in the mix by conference. I would hope that in this year the conversation is deeper but I doubt it. The NET fails in my book and is the worst of all the statistical rankings. C19 exposed it.

Quote from: oldwarrior81 on March 08, 2021, 12:59:36 PM
how far does the seed for Nova drop?

I'd guess a couple lines if the committee factors in Gillespie being out.
Not mentioning the status of Justin Moore's ankle injury.

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 08, 2021, 01:02:43 PM
Seeding isn't supposed to work like that. It doesn't matter if Nova isn't as good without Gillespie/Moore. What matters is what seed does their resume earn them.

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 08, 2021, 01:02:43 PM
Seeding isn't supposed to work like that. It doesn't matter if Nova isn't as good without Gillespie/Moore. What matters is what seed does their resume earn them.

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 08, 2021, 01:09:52 PM
Any word on severity of Moore's injury?  Any chance he plays in the BET?

Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 08, 2021, 01:05:45 PM
I feel like Cincinnati dropped a line or two the year Kenyon Martin got hurt.

Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 08, 2021, 01:05:45 PM
I feel like Cincinnati dropped a line or two the year Kenyon Martin got hurt.

Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 08, 2021, 01:05:45 PM
I feel like Cincinnati dropped a line or two the year Kenyon Martin got hurt.

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 09, 2021, 12:15:33 PM
I'll have what you guys are having.

Quote from: DoctorV on March 09, 2021, 11:28:09 AM
It seems pretty certain that MU would have to get the auto-bid to dance, but beating GTown, Nova, and StJ/SH and losing in the final would put Marquette at 16-14 with 11-12 BE record including the BET with a 7-2 finish.

This would also likely put Marquette, depending on margins, in the mid 60s in the NET with a lot of quality wins and possibly make it interesting. St John's got in with a NET in the 70s a few years back.

Fortunately the computers don't adjust for Villanovas injuries so Marquette would get a really solid bump up there. Unfortunately I'm sure the committee would take that W with a grain of salt and Marquette would still be left out.

It would be amazing to even get to the Final on Saturday

Quote from: DoctorV on March 09, 2021, 11:28:09 AM
It seems pretty certain that MU would have to get the auto-bid to dance, but beating GTown, Nova, and StJ/SH and losing in the final would put Marquette at 16-14 with 11-12 BE record including the BET with a 7-2 finish.

This would also likely put Marquette, depending on margins, in the mid 60s in the NET with a lot of quality wins and possibly make it interesting. St John's got in with a NET in the 70s a few years back.

Fortunately the computers don't adjust for Villanovas injuries so Marquette would get a really solid bump up there. Unfortunately I'm sure the committee would take that W with a grain of salt and Marquette would still be left out.

It would be amazing to even get to the Final on Saturday

Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 09, 2021, 12:35:39 PM
after 7 years of being beatdown, I sincerely appreciate & envy your optimism.

Quote from: DoctorV on March 09, 2021, 11:28:09 AM
It seems pretty certain that MU would have to get the auto-bid to dance, but beating GTown, Nova, and StJ/SH and losing in the final would put Marquette at 16-14 with 11-12 BE record including the BET with a 7-2 finish.

This would also likely put Marquette, depending on margins, in the mid 60s in the NET with a lot of quality wins and possibly make it interesting. St John's got in with a NET in the 70s a few years back.

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 09, 2021, 06:34:35 PM
Marquette has absolutely zero chance of an at-large. The only way into the NCAA tournament is winning on Saturday. Period.

In the past five years, only 5 teams have gone from out to at-large in the final week. None came from further than the first 8 teams out, and Marquette is beyond the 16th team out. Zero shot of at-large. Zero zero zero.

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 09, 2021, 06:34:35 PM
Marquette has absolutely zero chance of an at-large. The only way into the NCAA tournament is winning on Saturday. Period.

In the past five years, only 5 teams have gone from out to at-large in the final week. None came from further than the first 8 teams out, and Marquette is beyond the 16th team out. Zero shot of at-large. Zero zero zero.

Quote from: Freeway on March 09, 2021, 08:58:54 PM
Comparing this year to past years seems futile. Resumes and results are so uneven. Unlike any year before.

Hope MU might get some credit for playing one of the tougher non-con schedules, avoiding any COVID stoppages of their own, adding a quality non con road game on the fly (and winning), and finishing the year strong.

Make the BET final and see if the committee sets some new precedents in this unprecedented year.

Quote from: DoctorV on February 25, 2021, 09:03:58 AM
Just having a good scoop week. Maybe I should retire while on top

Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 01, 2021, 07:01:32 PM
Horrid is different than bad. Yet, both don't describe the Big East Conference this year or most likely ever.

Quote from: The Big East on March 12, 2021, 09:50:23 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of March 11, 2021

New  Old
17   12   Villanova   
20   25   Creighton   
28   31   UConn   
55   58   Seton Hall   
60   62   Xavier   
68   66   St. John's
81   85   Georgetown   
84   81   Providence
92   92   Marquette
120   113   Butler
161   152   DePaul

Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 12, 2021, 02:50:57 PM
That looks fishy...how does Creighton climb 5 spots just by beating  a sub-100 Butler?  And how does UConn gain at all by beating DePaul?

Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 12, 2021, 02:50:57 PM
That looks fishy...how does Creighton climb 5 spots just by beating  a sub-100 Butler?  And how does UConn gain at all by beating DePaul?

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 12, 2021, 08:50:42 PM
NET changes seem to be almost entirely predicated on victory margins. Win by more than the system expects & you go up. Win by a lot more, go up a lot.

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 13, 2021, 07:17:56 AM
Yep. It's a pretty flawed system.