1. Sacar had tired legs today. Getting a scalp wound while getting called for a charge was adding insult to injury.
2. Stop feeding Theo in the post. Unless he is all alone under the basket, there is a better option somewhere.
3. Depaul hit a crap ton of long twos. The sabermetricians all threw their calculators and protractors at the wall. Weakly.
4. It sure seemed like DePaul got a lot more O boards than MU. Will have to see the stats.
5. I like the zone change up. Not sure it is a good zone. But making DePaul think can only help MU. Changed the flow.
6. Koby could have nosed us in front, missed the FT, then shot a terrible 3.
7. Other than Markus, MU only made 3 shots from farther than point blank range.
Symir had the shot clock beater from the foul line, his 3, and Cain's 3. Think about that for a minute.
8. Charlie Moore caught his own air ball. What is the rule on that now?
9. How many 'fouling up 3' scenarios can you have in a short stretch?
10. On a day of other teams falling prey to trap games, MU dodged a hailstorm of bullets.
11. Grab, run, rest for a week.
I believe that in the last 3 MU games. The team that had the higher eFG% has lost. The game was won in all three at the FT line. FTs matter.
Win.
That's what counts.
Free throws mattered again.
6-4.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2020, 03:18:03 PM
11. Grab, run, rest for a week.
This team is GASSED. Markus especially has been fading late. Getting a week off is gonna be huge. Stealing the last 2 has been fantastic. Back in contention, take the time and get right
Quote from: forgetful on February 01, 2020, 03:19:41 PM
I believe that in the last 3 MU games. The team that had the higher eFG% has lost. The game was won in all three at the FT line. FTs matter.
Don't tell JB. Or mention free throws.
Also, MU only home team to win today in the BE. Road underdogs won in all three other games. The BE is brutal.
Survive and advance. Wow. Our FT defense continues to shine.
Believe we scored approximately 14 of our last 16 points at line. Refs definitely made up for some bad calls on us earlier in game, putting Markus and Koby on line on touch fouls down stretch.
Wasn't a must win by any means but sure didn't want to lose this one.
Cain post feeds to Theo must be banned!
Team battled back. Needed W.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2020, 03:18:03 PM
9. How many 'fouling up 3' scenarios can you have in a short stretch?
I think we can safely say Wojo is in the "foul up 3" camp. Chose not to against Providence, lost. Chose to foul against Gtown, Xavier, today against Depaul... wins. Glad he didn't foul up 4 today like he did v Xavier... still scratching my head at that one.
MU 29 for 35, with Markus missing a front end.
DePaul, 12 for 23.
Quote from: bananahammock on February 01, 2020, 03:23:25 PM
Cain post feeds to Theo must be banned!
Team battled back. Needed W.
Testify.
Johnson, Torrence and Cain all did good things off the bench. They combined for 21 points, nine rebounds, three steals and two assists.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2020, 03:18:03 PM
1. Sacar had tired legs today. Getting a scalp wound while getting called for a charge was adding insult to injury.
2. Stop feeding Theo in the post. Unless he is all alone under the basket, there is a better option somewhere.
3. Depaul hit a crap ton of long twos. The sabermetricians all threw their calculators and protractors at the wall. Weakly.
4. It sure seemed like DePaul got a lot more O boards than MU. Will have to see the stats.
5. I like the zone change up. Not sure it is a good zone. But making DePaul think can only help MU. Changed the flow.
6. Koby could have nosed us in front, missed the FT, then shot a terrible 3.
7. Other than Markus, MU only made 3 shots from farther than point blank range.
Symir had the shot clock beater from the foul line, his 3, and Cain's 3. Think about that for a minute.
8. Charlie Moore caught his own air ball. What is the rule on that now?
9. How many 'fouling up 3' scenarios can you have in a short stretch?
10. On a day of other teams falling prey to trap games, MU dodged a hailstorm of bullets.
11. Grab, run, rest for a week.
They couldn't stay in front of Moore. Zone was fine, a bit late, and as DePaul had someone FT line, need to collapse there a bit. Saved the game. A win is a win. Let there be cake.
Given what went down the in the rest of the conference today, I don't feel at all blah about getting an ugly win.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2020, 03:18:03 PM
8. Charlie Moore caught his own air ball. What is the rule on that now?
High school at least... if it's a bona fide shot, you're good. Can grab your own air ball if you truly sucked it up on the shot attempt.
Quote from: forgetful on February 01, 2020, 03:19:41 PM
I believe that in the last 3 MU games. The team that had the higher eFG% has lost. The game was won in all three at the FT line. FTs matter.
True re: eFG%. Very rare streak. FT rate matta, no one has said otherwise... but, in a couple of those a miserable outing from a % perspective was helpful for the other team.
Nonetheless,
#FTsNoMatta
In our loss to Butler, we shot 'only' 68.8%... that was absolutely elite offense.
Gritty win - congrats Wojo and team.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 01, 2020, 03:23:02 PM
Survive and advance. Wow. Our FT defense continues to shine.
Believe we scored approximately 14 of our last 16 points at line. Refs definitely made up for some bad calls on us earlier in game, putting Markus and Koby on line on touch fouls down stretch.
Wasn't a must win by any means but sure didn't want to lose this one.
Not trying to be antagonist but this was a must win game if we want to finish as an upper echelon team in the Big East, get a good seed in the tournament and do some damage. Losing at Villanova is not a must win game in this scenario.
Losing to DePaul is not a must win game in the scenario of being an average team with a 12 seed and one and done.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 01, 2020, 03:33:22 PM
Not trying to be antagonist but this was a must win game if we want to finish as an upper echelon team in the Big East, get a good seed in the tournament and do some damage. Losing at Villanova is not a must win game in this scenario.
Losing to DePaul is not a must win game in the scenario of being an average team with a 12 seed and one and done.
So let me get this straight.. we won this game, so it's possible that we win multiple games in the NCAA tourney.
Had we lost, we were 100% losing our first NCAA tourney game?
Whew, big win then I guess hey
Who was the guy that posted a few months ago how he wished Marquette had DePaul's program this year?
MU moves into sole possession of 4th place. This was a War of Attrition. Need the rest as MU's legs are tired.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 01, 2020, 03:34:55 PM
So let me get this straight.. we won this game, so it's possible that we win multiple games in the NCAA tourney.
Had we lost, we were 100% losing our first NCAA tourney game?
Whew, big win then I guess hey
NCAA seed, NET ranking. Not a hard concept. Losing to DePaul also indicates bigger issues. Glad we won.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 01, 2020, 03:37:12 PM
NCAA seed, NET ranking. Not a hard concept. Losing to DePaul also indicates bigger issues. Glad we won.
Your statement made it sound like a first round loss was a gurantee though.
Hence his comment.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 01, 2020, 03:39:06 PM
Your statement made it sound like a first round loss was a gurantee though.
Hence his comment.
No, just more likely.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 01, 2020, 03:36:46 PM
MU moves into sole possession of 4th place. This was a War of Attrition. Need the rest as MU's legs are tired.
but these are kids playing games twice a week. They can't have tired legs.
BTW - Props to Wojo on switching to the Zone D and primarily sticking with it. DePaul was not nearly as effective against our zone today.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 01, 2020, 03:45:39 PM
BTW - Props to Wojo on switching to the Zone D and primarily sticking with it. DePaul was not nearly as effective against our zone today.
Agreed. See #5.
Regarding Theo
His actual offense continues to be baffling unimproved but two things that have been trending positively even if relatively minor.
His fouls lately and his free throw shooting all year.
Great win on a day of upsets in the conference.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2020, 03:18:03 PM
8. Charlie Moore caught his own air ball. What is the rule on that now?
The only level that is (now) a violation is the NBA, as far as I know.
We made a total of 3 FG's in the last 13:45 of that game. Koby hit shot at 13:46 mark to make game 50-50.
To think we scored 76 points in the game. 19 of our last 26 points cane at Free Throw line. Incredible to be able to win a game like that.
1. Sacar played 48 minutes @ X and it showed. People who think these players are machines are wrong.
7. Marquette doesn't win this game without Markus. People who say Marquette " should " win no matter what are wrong.
A week off to rest and rehab is just what this team needed.
Butlers got some payback coming.
Quote from: Jables1604 on February 01, 2020, 03:35:50 PM
Who was the guy that posted a few months ago how he wished Marquette had DePaul's program this year?
The morons disappear in humiliation when they realize how goofy their comments are
It'll be good for the boys to have a week off to get rested and ready.
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on February 01, 2020, 04:00:04 PM
1. Sacar played 48 minutes @ X and it showed. People who think these players are machines are wrong.
7. Marquette doesn't win this game without Markus. People who say Marquette " should " win no matter what are wrong.
A week off to rest and rehab is just what this team needed.
Butlers got some payback coming.
Most importantly: Will you be attending Butler game and confronting Baddely?
1. I think that the "charge" was in the restricted area.
2. Totally agree (TA()
3. TA
4. Nope
5.TA
6. TA
10. TA
11. TA.
Hard to believe Theo's offense has not improved over 3 years. Love the free throw improvement. I want to see more minutes go to Jayce. He can actually score in the post.
Short bench = tired legs. Good to see Symir getting more minutes and Elliott back although I don't recall him playing in the second half.
The Depaul program is getting better. Leitao is good for that program.
Bailey has to take the ball strong to the hoop. Had an opportunity and passed the ball back out. He needs more confidence and to foul less.
McEwen turning things around.
That zone defense was not executed well but it was effective. That middle was so wide open with Theo being too deep and the off the ball guard not sagging in the middle.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 01, 2020, 03:23:02 PM
Survive and advance. Wow. Our FT defense continues to shine.
Believe we scored approximately 14 of our last 16 points at line. Refs definitely made up for some bad calls on us earlier in game, putting Markus and Koby on line on touch fouls down stretch.
Wasn't a must win by any means but sure didn't want to lose this one.
I would hope that the free throws no matta movement has been given a Viking funeral.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 01, 2020, 03:23:02 PM
Survive and advance. Wow. Our FT defense continues to shine.
Believe we scored approximately 14 of our last 16 points at line. Refs definitely made up for some bad calls on us earlier in game, putting Markus and Koby on line on touch fouls down stretch.
Wasn't a must win by any means but sure didn't want to lose this one.
FTs do matter.
Was in and out, but continue to like what I see from Jayce.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 01, 2020, 04:22:14 PM
I would hope that the free throws no matta movement has been given a Viking funeral.
Free throw rate matters...which JayBee always has always maintained. MU also won the OReb rate, to win half of the four factors.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2020, 03:18:03 PM
8. Charlie Moore caught his own air ball. What is the rule on that
It's been this for quite a long time. If the ref deems it to be a shot attempt the player who shot can pick up the ball like it's a live ball.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 01, 2020, 03:52:49 PM
Regarding Theo
His actual offense continues to be baffling unimproved but two things that have been trending positively even if relatively minor.
His fouls lately and his free throw shooting all year.
There might be something affecting his ability to shoot.
Quote from: #UnleashJayce on February 01, 2020, 04:27:08 PM
It's been this for quite a long time. If the ref deems it to be a shot attempt the player who shot can pick up the ball like it's a live ball.
It can be ruled a travel too.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 01, 2020, 04:22:45 PM
FTs do matter.
Yes. And we have the 5th best Free Throw defense in Division 1. #greatcoaching. 8-)
Quote from: ttheisen on February 01, 2020, 03:57:13 PM
The only level that is (now) a violation is the NBA, as far as I know.
Hasn't been a violation in the NBA for longer then the NCAA I believe.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 01, 2020, 04:29:00 PM
It can be ruled a travel too.
It's only ruled a travel if the referee believes it to be intentionally missed.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 01, 2020, 03:39:52 PM
No, just more likely.
Try not to confuse correlation with causation
In close games......everything matters.
Reed missing one free throw with 10 seconds left mattered.....it made DePaul foul .....and then we made 2 more free throws.......which allowed us to foul.
Yeah it all mattered.....
A few things about today:
1) Like Xavier, our guys never gave up. There was a real competitive fight in them. On a day when DePaul played well and we couldn't shoot, we found a way to win. We fought, looked like crap at times but we stayed close and killed when it mattered. That's coaching, folks!
2) I agree with the thought that we are gassed. Take a week, get ready for the Dogs and kick their butts.
3) Forgodssakes, could our bigs just shoot the ball. Stop putting it on the floor. TURN AND SHOOT!
4) I loved the DePaul mid-range game. It's been missing from basketball for a long time. I think we would be undefeated if our mid-range game was as good as the one we saw today.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 01, 2020, 04:26:55 PM
Free throw rate matters...which JayBee always has always maintained. MU also won the OReb rate, to win half of the four factors.
Yes. FTR does matta. Yet it is still a foolish statement to say FTs no matta. Hypothetically a team could shoot 0% from FT Line.
Bottom line if you shoot a crap percentage your FTR is not going to be a major factor in a team winning games.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 01, 2020, 04:06:05 PM
Most importantly: Will you be attending Butler game and confronting Baddely?
Now I know you have never played a competitive sport.
I wouldn't add a little extra flollow through on a block against Baddley. I would do it against Baldwin.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 01, 2020, 04:27:39 PM
There might be something affecting his ability to shoot.
A sore hand/wrist is going to affect his entire game - not just shooting. But let's not pretend Theo was ever even a competent offensive player.
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 01, 2020, 04:32:55 PM
3) Forgodssakes, could our bigs just shoot the ball. Stop putting it on the floor. TURN AND SHOOT!
Word. Almost any attempt to put it on the floor = turnover.
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on February 01, 2020, 04:35:29 PM
Now I know you have never played a competitive sport.
I wouldn't add a little extra flollow through on a block against Baddley. I would do it against Baldwin.
Clearly you were not part of the debate team. You just get owned here, repeatedly.
Theo requires surgery on his right thumb. Trouble gripping with his right hand
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 01, 2020, 04:46:53 PM
Clearly you were not part of the debate team. You just get owned here, repeatedly.
I don't debate fools, I mock them.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2020, 03:18:03 PM
1. Sacar had tired legs today. Getting a scalp wound while getting called for a charge was adding insult to injury.
2. Stop feeding Theo in the post. Unless he is all alone under the basket, there is a better option somewhere.
3. Depaul hit a crap ton of long twos. The sabermetricians all threw their calculators and protractors at the wall. Weakly.
4. It sure seemed like DePaul got a lot more O boards than MU. Will have to see the stats.
5. I like the zone change up. Not sure it is a good zone. But making DePaul think can only help MU. Changed the flow.
6. Koby could have nosed us in front, missed the FT, then shot a terrible 3.
7. Other than Markus, MU only made 3 shots from farther than point blank range.
Symir had the shot clock beater from the foul line, his 3, and Cain's 3. Think about that for a minute.
8. Charlie Moore caught his own air ball. What is the rule on that now?
9. How many 'fouling up 3' scenarios can you have in a short stretch?
10. On a day of other teams falling prey to trap games, MU dodged a hailstorm of bullets.
11. Grab, run, rest for a week.
MU had a higher offensive and defensive rebound rate today. Offensive rebounds were even
Another key.....MU stopped turning it over in the 2nd half.....had 8 in first half I think and ended up with 11.
Quote from: mufanatic on February 01, 2020, 04:20:00 PM
Hard to believe Theo's offense has not improved over 3 years. Love the free throw improvement. I want to see more minutes go to Jayce. He can actually score in the post.
Wojo has continued to mix and match them extremely well. Jayce got very little run the previous game because Theo was playing so well. I trust he'll continue to put each of them in situations that play to their respective strengths.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 01, 2020, 03:58:37 PM
We made a total of 3 FG's in the last 13:45 of that game. Koby hit shot at 13:46 mark to make game 50-50.
To think we scored 76 points in the game. 19 of our last 26 points cane at Free Throw line. Incredible to be able to win a game like that.
Marquette needs to win more games like this. Get to the line, knock 'em down. (MU is not getting some of those foul calls on the road and against certain teams)
Quote from: TSmith34 on February 01, 2020, 05:21:19 PM
Wojo has continued to mix and match them extremely well. Jayce got very little run the previous game because Theo was playing so well. I trust he'll continue to put each of them in situations that play to their respective strengths.
Right. Theo played well and a lot of minutes against X. Not as well today (tired legs?). Jayce got more run and took advantage. Criticizing Theo's offense is a little harsh. He chose to play rather than have surgery and red shirt. The hand affects him from time to time.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 01, 2020, 03:45:39 PM
BTW - Props to Wojo on switching to the Zone D and primarily sticking with it. DePaul was not nearly as effective against our zone today.
Very true. Smart move by Wojo.
Oh...that's me giving credit to Wojo when credit is due.
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on February 01, 2020, 05:13:50 PM
I don't debate fools, I mock them.
Getting a lot of insult practice in the mirror, huh?
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on February 01, 2020, 05:13:50 PM
I don't debate fools, I mock them.
Yes, the power of your mockery is legend. Waters part before you in fear of a barbed taunt.
Someone can double check my math, but 20-50 overall, and 7-31 from 3 means that we shot 13-19 from 2 right? So why were we taking so many 3s? I understand that when you're in transition you can get an open 3, but non-Markus players were 2-16 from 3. Markus should be the only one taking a transition 3. Drive, get fouled, put the other team in foul trouble. It was either the 1st or 2nd possession of the second half, we worked the ball well, Bailey passed up a decent look from 3 to drive and got an easy dunk. If you're hitting your 3s shoot them, but when you're not, you gotta know to drive.
Charter members of the He Man Wojo Haters Club being heard from.
Strange that your club president MDDG isn't joining in.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 01, 2020, 05:43:20 PM
Someone can double check my math, but 20-50 overall, and 7-31 from 3 means that we shot 13-19 from 2 right? So why were we taking so many 3s? I understand that when you're in transition you can get an open 3, but non-Markus players were 2-16 from 3. Markus should be the only one taking a transition 3. Drive, get fouled, put the other team in foul trouble. It was either the 1st or 2nd possession of the second half, we worked the ball well, Bailey passed up a decent look from 3 to drive and got an easy dunk. If you're hitting your 3s shoot them, but when you're not, you gotta know to drive.
Wojo said in the post game that they settled for quick 3s in the first half......they needed to get the defense moving which was the plan.......they did a much better job of it in the 2nd half.
Having Koby on the bench for 17 minutes of the first half didn't help either.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2020, 03:18:03 PM
1. Sacar had tired legs today. Getting a scalp wound while getting called for a charge was adding insult to injury.
2. Stop feeding Theo in the post. Unless he is all alone under the basket, there is a better option somewhere.
3. Depaul hit a crap ton of long twos. The sabermetricians all threw their calculators and protractors at the wall. Weakly.
4. It sure seemed like DePaul got a lot more O boards than MU. Will have to see the stats.
5. I like the zone change up. Not sure it is a good zone. But making DePaul think can only help MU. Changed the flow.
6. Koby could have nosed us in front, missed the FT, then shot a terrible 3.
7. Other than Markus, MU only made 3 shots from farther than point blank range.
Symir had the shot clock beater from the foul line, his 3, and Cain's 3. Think about that for a minute.
8. Charlie Moore caught his own air ball. What is the rule on that now?
9. How many 'fouling up 3' scenarios can you have in a short stretch?
10. On a day of other teams falling prey to trap games, MU dodged a hailstorm of bullets.
11. Grab, run, rest for a week.
Nice summary, tower.
Thrilled with the win. Any BEast win = good win. Those who disagree simply are not paying attention to what is going on, not just in the BEast but in college basketball.
DePaul just needs one or two "closers" and they will be a tough team. I like a lot of their players.
As an MU fan, I didn't mind those 2-pointers DePaul with their heels almost on the 3-point line. In fact, I thank them for not moving back a foot. It's the worst shot in basketball, and they hit them at an unusually high percentage for a lot of the game today.
We did a lot better job on the boards in the second half. Several OR helped us immensely.
Koby is a really good clutch FT shooter. He hit 4 daggers at Georgetown, and he sealed it today, among other games.
Everybody not named Markus shot like crap today, and yet we avoided the fate 3 other home teams experience. A lot of heart and "want-to" in that room. I know some want to give zero credit to the coach and his assistants, but they are dopes and mopes.
Nice to have a little break here. Since the 1-3 start led to Scoopageddon, we've won 5 of 6 heading into NMD. I like the arc of this season.
We Are Marquette!
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on February 01, 2020, 05:31:57 PM
Very true. Smart move by Wojo.
Oh...that's me giving credit to Wojo when credit is due.
+1000...it was a great move. He said himself in post game that when they have used it this year, it's been pretty effective. So then my question still is...why haven't they used it more?? He said they couldn't keep Moore out of the lane so they had to change something. He did, and that's a great job by him, but again, why does he wait so long sometimes?? He has a defense that he himself has been effective this year, and yet, he won't utilize it more. Oh well, they won, that's what matters. Like there was ever any doubt. 8-)
Quote from: MuMark on February 01, 2020, 05:50:46 PM
Wojo said in the post game that they settled for quick 3s in the first half......they needed to get the defense moving which was the plan.......they did a much better job of it in the 2nd half.
Having Koby on the bench for 17 minutes of the first half didn't help either.
Symir did some nice things today. 7pts 2 assists 1 rebound and some decent defense in 18 minutes.
All things considered, I thought they handled Koby beimg out about as good as could be expected.
Seeing Symir, Greg, and Markus on the floor at the same time today was surreal.
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on February 01, 2020, 06:01:16 PM
Seeing Symir, Greg, and Markus on the floor at the same time today was surreal.
I'm not sure you know what "surreal" means.
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 01, 2020, 04:32:55 PM
4) I loved the DePaul mid-range game. It's been missing from basketball for a long time. I think we would be undefeated if our mid-range game was as good as the one we saw today.
That's because it's a bad shot and inefficient. If DePaul would have been a a step further back on a few of those shots they win. Unless you're shooting 33% higher from midrange than you do 3pt, it's a bad shot.
Quote from: muguru on February 01, 2020, 05:56:39 PM
+1000...it was a great move. He said himself in post game that when they have used it this year, it's been pretty effective. So then my question still is...why haven't they used it more?? He said they couldn't keep Moore out of the lane so they had to change something. He did, and that's a great job by him, but again, why does he wait so long sometimes?? He has a defense that he himself has been effective this year, and yet, he won't utilize it more. Oh well, they won, that's what matters. Like there was ever any doubt. 8-)
I thought one of his better moves was when MU showed zone out of DePaul's time out at the end and then switched to a man once the inbounder grabbed the ball. Somehow the Blue Demons were confused.
We won a conference game where we shot 22% from the 3 point line. Thrilled to come away with a win in a game where we played pretty poorly.
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2020, 06:02:53 PM
I'm not sure you know what "surreal" means.
Yeah, it means bizzare.
Considering no one knew Markus' status until around game time, Greg just got out of a walking boot, and Symir, has seen limited action, to see all three of them on the floor at the same time was surreal.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 01, 2020, 06:12:11 PM
We won a conference game where we shot 22% from the 3 point line. Thrilled to come away with a win in a game where we played pretty poorly.
They won't always be coming off a double overtime road game. The outside shot is the first thing to go when your legs are tired.
Props to the crowd at the Fiserv Forum. Looked like a sellout from where I was sitting. Everyone was standing when Marquette was making its second-half run, and it got loud. Fun game to be at. Also, glad MU can get a win on an afternoon when shots aren't falling.
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on February 01, 2020, 06:18:45 PM
Yeah, it means bizzare.
Considering no one knew Markus' status until around game time, Greg just got out of a walking boot, and Symir, has seen limited action, to see all three of them on the floor at the same time was surreal.
OK.
Wasn't the least bit surreal to me, but you be you. Or whomever you're pretending to parody.
Quote from: Marcus92 on February 01, 2020, 06:24:16 PM
Props to the crowd at the Fiserv Forum. Looked like a sellout from where I was sitting. Everyone was standing when Marquette was making its second-half run, and it got loud. Fun game to be at. Also, glad MU can get a win on an afternoon when shots aren't falling.
Yup, though there were several rows of empties on the west student side.
As poorly as we shot compared to our norm, we still outscored 'em by 15 points from behind the arc (thanks Markus!) and by 17 points from the FT line (thanks Koby and Markus!)
Gotta find ways to win when the offense isn't pretty. Well done by our hard-working heroes!
Laitao is really bad. MU's 2-3 zone was nothing special and DePaul acted like they've never seen a zone. Reed is the perfect player at the FT line/elbows to destroy the zone and it never happened. Great move by Wojo as Moore was getting in the paint and scoring/distributing like he was Andre Miller all day.
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2020, 06:45:28 PM
OK.
Wasn't the least bit surreal to me, but you be you. Or whomever you're pretending to parody.
Whats even more surreal is that you and I posted nearly identical comments 5 seconds apart in the SOTG thread.
Maybe I'm doing a parody of you. LOL
Quote from: Fullodds on February 01, 2020, 06:58:11 PM
Laitao is really bad. MU's 2-3 zone was nothing special and DePaul acted like they've never seen a zone. Reed is the perfect player at the FT line/elbows to destroy the zone and it never happened. Great move by Wojo as Moore was getting in the paint and scoring/distributing like he was Andre Miller all day.
Actually he did move Reed to the FT line/elbow and he scored. The problem for Leitao, is he really had no one that could be a threat from deep. Reed and Moore were his best options there, if you move Reed to the elbow, you likely have someone like Butz on the perimeter, who would be ignored and that defender would cover the FT line/elbow, nullifying Reed.
It was a great move by Wojo as it took away good options from Depaul.
Quote from: Jockey on February 01, 2020, 04:38:34 PM
A sore hand/wrist is going to affect his entire game - not just shooting. But let's not pretend Theo was ever even a competent offensive player.
THIS!!
Quote from: MuMark on February 01, 2020, 05:50:46 PM
Wojo said in the post game that they settled for quick 3s in the first half......they needed to get the defense moving which was the plan.......they did a much better job of it in the 2nd half.
Having Koby on the bench for 17 minutes of the first half didn't help either.
On both ends of the court with Kobe, he does an outstanding job of staying in front of his man and being physical, on Moore today, who killed us in the first half.
Quote from: Marcus92 on February 01, 2020, 06:24:16 PM
Props to the crowd at the Fiserv Forum. Looked like a sellout from where I was sitting. Everyone was standing when Marquette was making its second-half run, and it got loud. Fun game to be at. Also, glad MU can get a win on an afternoon when shots aren't falling.
Yep, it's been a sell out for days. 17,781.
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2020, 06:45:28 PM
OK.
Wasn't the least bit surreal to me, but you be you. Or whomever you're pretending to parody.
Mu82 just shut up plz
2. Stop feeding Theo in the post. Unless he is all alone under the basket, there is a better option somewhere.
I say this as a confirmed "pro-jo", that i have no idea wtf we post feed Theo. Its not like he kicks it out or reverses it. He is a true black hole. He has developed zero post moves. He rarely can even make it unless its a dunk on an uncontested PNR. I used to rationalize that maybe they do it to try to draw a foul on the opposing big, but Theo has zero post moves to get the opposing big off balance or out of position. He continually misses uncontested layups also. It is a horrible option, frankly i think anyone on tge team shooting from anywhere inside of 30 feet is a better option. Yet we continuously feed Theo on ATO situations. Simply baffling to me, as a Pro-joer i think it is a mistake on his part. If theo wants a post touch he needs to go get an O reb in my opinion (pnr situations being different as he is facing the basket n usually unguarded).
Quote from: Marcus92 on February 01, 2020, 06:24:16 PM
Props to the crowd at the Fiserv Forum. Looked like a sellout from where I was sitting. Everyone was standing when Marquette was making its second-half run, and it got loud. Fun game to be at. Also, glad MU can get a win on an afternoon when shots aren't falling.
I was a little surprised/bummed at the loud boos and %u201Cfire Wojo%u201D chants from the students when he was introduced. But, I was super impressed at the end, place was loud and jumpin! Winning solves all problems
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-depaul-basketball-marquette-20200201-klgtgfzpnjc2dmooqqheyk7jka-story.html
Quote from: MuMark on February 01, 2020, 05:50:46 PM
Wojo said in the post game that they settled for quick 3s in the first half......they needed to get the defense moving which was the plan.......they did a much better job of it in the 2nd half.
Having Koby on the bench for 17 minutes of the first half didn't help either.
(That was Stan who Homer interviewed post game today.)
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 01, 2020, 07:58:18 PM
2. Stop feeding Theo in the post. Unless he is all alone under the basket, there is a better option somewhere.
I say this as a confirmed "pro-jo", that i have no idea wtf we post feed Theo. Its not like he kicks it out or reverses it. He is a true black hole. He has developed zero post moves. He rarely can even make it unless its a dunk on an uncontested PNR. I used to rationalize that maybe they do it to try to draw a foul on the opposing big, but Theo has zero post moves to get the opposing big off balance or out of position. He continually misses uncontested layups also. It is a horrible option, frankly i think anyone on tge team shooting from anywhere inside of 30 feet is a better option. Yet we continuously feed Theo on ATO situations. Simply baffling to me, as a Pro-joer i think it is a mistake on his part. If theo wants a post touch he needs to go get an O reb in my opinion (pnr situations being different as he is facing the basket n usually unguarded).
Fortunately or unfortunately he had some success in the X game @ Marquette. He has made a few post moves and finished off the glass but when he's in front of the basket he's lost. That semi hook shot experiment was a failure. Jayce can actually make that once in a while.
I disagree that Wojo should never go inside to Theo. Just for the sake of keeping teams honest, and maybe getting a few foul calls and a basket here and there it's worth it.
Quote from: Marcus92 on February 01, 2020, 06:24:16 PM
Props to the crowd at the Fiserv Forum. Looked like a sellout from where I was sitting. Everyone was standing when Marquette was making its second-half run, and it got loud. Fun game to be at. Also, glad MU can get a win on an afternoon when shots aren't falling.
My row was a bit barren. But I still sit up high with the poors (as one of them)
Quote from: manesworld on February 01, 2020, 08:20:24 PM
(That was Stan who Homer interviewed post game today.)
(I saw Wojo's actual post game presser on the internet)
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 01, 2020, 04:34:40 PM
Yes. FTR does matta. Yet it is still a foolish statement to say FTs no matta. Hypothetically a team could shoot 0% from FT Line.
Bottom line if you shoot a crap percentage your FTR is not going to be a major factor in a team winning games.
Not true. You are lying
Hypothetically a bomb could rip through the stadium. Are u upset by one who claims "bombs no Matta"? Eat d
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 01, 2020, 08:40:34 PM
Not true. You are lying
Hypothetically a bomb could rip through the stadium. Are u upset by one who claims "bombs no Matta"? Eat d
When you gonna drop the I know you are but what am I comeback?
Quote from: sfmu22 on February 01, 2020, 09:07:08 PM
When you gonna drop the I know you are but what am I comeback?
Same time you reach 10 posts over 5 years - never
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 01, 2020, 09:17:08 PM
Same time you reach 10 posts over 5 years - never
Cool beans dude. Were you the type of kid who looks like the biggest nerd in the class and never won the science fair? Chill out and talk about basketball
Quote from: sfmu22 on February 01, 2020, 09:29:54 PM
Cool beans dude. Were you the type of kid who looks like the biggest nerd in the class and never won the science fair? Chill out and talk about basketball
Nah, the type to square up and make it official. What's good?
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 01, 2020, 09:54:51 PM
Nah, the type to square up and make it official. What's good?
Alright grandpa I think you've drank enough bourbon tonight. When you wake up tomorrow do us all a favor and just talk about basketball.
Win or lose we got children arguing over petty non sense on here. Enjoy the wins damnit. No more pissing contest
I think DePaul has a better team than last year's team, which won 7 games in the Big East. The fact that DePaul is 1-8 shows how much stronger the Big East is this year.
Quote from: Johnny B on February 01, 2020, 10:35:55 PM
Win or lose we got children arguing over petty non sense on here. Enjoy the wins damnit. No more pissing contest
Hear me out: maybe we make it be a real live actual pissing contest. Like bad prostates and all
Quote from: MUunderpants on February 01, 2020, 03:23:42 PM
Glad he didn't foul up 4 today like he did v Xavier... still scratching my head at that one.
Have you not seen our FT defense? 8-)
Quote from: bilsu on February 01, 2020, 10:58:47 PM
I think DePaul has a better team than last year's team, which won 7 games in the Big East. The fact that DePaul is 1-8 shows how much stronger the Big East is this year.
I hope Markus is fully healed for the rematch, because theyre going to be tough in their house. If the team goes in there healthy the game should be as close as it was @ Marquette. I'll take that scenario.
Quote from: 6Under20 on February 01, 2020, 11:07:44 PM
Have you not seen our FT defense? 8-)
Theo can block a free throw just by staring at it.
Great win, think the team is starting to click
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on February 01, 2020, 11:11:58 PM
I hope Markus is fully healed for the rematch, because theyre going to be tough in their house. if the team goes in there healthy the game should be as close as it was @ Marquette. I'll take that scenario.
Hopefully things balance out and they don't shoot 50+% from long 2 range during the rematch. Half the time I was saying "I'll give them that all day".
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on February 01, 2020, 08:04:33 PM
I was a little surprised/bummed at the loud boos and %u201Cfire Wojo%u201D chants from the students when he was introduced. But, I was super impressed at the end, place was loud and jumpin! Winning solves all problems
The booing is 95% students, in my opinion. Only reason I think that, was way it was louder yesterday and the Nova game. Barely hear it for the weeknight games. Ridiculous.
Quote from: MUDPT on February 02, 2020, 06:26:46 AM
The booing is 95% students, in my opinion. Only reason I think that, was way it was louder yesterday and the Nova game. Barely hear it for the weeknight games. Ridiculous.
Yes. Now is the time to start bashing the students
Those young whelps wanting Wojo gone. What do they know, still wet behind the ears.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 02, 2020, 06:32:47 AM
Yes. Now is the time to start bashing the students
Those young whelps wanting Wojo gone. What do they know, still wet behind the ears.
Excuse me if I discount the opinion from a group who can't be bothered to fill up their section on a recurring basis. Plus boooing a coach/team that is top 30 in the country is just being petulant. It's pretty embarrassing
Quote from: mu03eng on February 02, 2020, 07:12:04 AM
Excuse me if I discount the opinion from a group who can't be bothered to fill up their section on a recurring basis. Plus boooing a coach/team that is top 30 in the country is just being petulant. It's pretty embarrassing
Gen Z is the worst.
Quote from: mu03eng on February 02, 2020, 07:12:04 AM
Excuse me if I discount the opinion from a group who can't be bothered to fill up their section on a recurring basis. Plus boooing a coach/team that is top 30 in the country is just being petulant. It's pretty embarrassing
That's the thing for me. Considering the events of last April, considering the injuries this team has gone through, a 16-6 record is a victory. Wojo has shown actual coaching chops in the last 9 months, holding the team together, having a quality season, with a top 10 recruiting class in the offing. Petulant and embarrassing are two good words.
Quote from: tower912 on February 02, 2020, 07:31:33 AM
That's the thing for me. Considering the events of last April, considering the injuries this team has to through, a 16-6 record is a victory. Wojo has shown actual coaching chops in the last 9 months, holding the team together, having a quality season, with a top 10 recruiting class in the offing. Petulant and embarrassing are two good words.
I'm not a fan of the booing, but I'm not nearly as impressed as you seem to be. But I hope I am proven wrong over the next six games.
Quote from: mu03eng on February 02, 2020, 07:12:04 AM
Excuse me if I discount the opinion from a group who can't be bothered to fill up their section on a recurring basis. Plus boooing a coach/team that is top 30 in the country is just being petulant. It's pretty embarrassing
Agreed. It's a terrible look during a strong season that we knew from the beginning would have extreme highs and lows. There is simply no perspective from people who would boo. Reserve your judgement and enjoy the roller coaster ride!
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on February 01, 2020, 06:01:16 PM
Symir did some nice things today. 7pts 2 assists 1 rebound and some decent defense in 18 minutes.
I am a huge Symir fan. He is so confident and poised out there. Has a strong handle, knocks down open looks, and understands where to get guys, especially John and Jayce, the ball in positions where they can score without having to do much after the catch. He had a gorgeous pass to Jayce for a first half basket.
All this for a freshman who plays inconsistent minutes. He's going to be a very solid player and core guy going forward.
The booing is also pretty stupid because the optics on that to recruits is terrible, and it would be hard not to get somewhat resentful if you are Wojo given the time, energy and stress the coaches deal with. It could certainly be a factor if other opportunities arise for him at some point. For the students booing, the reality is if they get what they apparently wish for, they are pretty much assured to have a significant drop in the quality of the team during their short window at the school due to losing recruiting classes and potentially current players. Yes, there are exceptions, but that is more often the case.
I am not firmly projo or nojo, but there is enough momentum in the program that I want to see this play out a bit more given the current and incoming talent. Booing the head coach of a team that is doing pretty well this season and indisputably has heart and plays hard is really stupid to me. People don't have to love the guy, and I get the arguments beaten to death here about the lowered expectations, investment in the program and five years is enough. People can write letters to the AD or even Wojo to express their displeasure. I have no issue with that. To me, the public display of booing the coach at games is counter-productive to what a fan of the program should be rooting for. It can't feel good for the coach or team, and certainly doesn't look good to recruits, parents of recruits, prospective coaches, media and other observers. Certainly not classy either. No problem if people choose not to cheer him, but booing is in no way going to help the program and under the circumstances reflects poorly on the fan base even though it is a minority of the crowd booing. It's not like we are 5-16.
Quote from: mu03eng on February 02, 2020, 07:12:04 AM
Excuse me if I discount the opinion from a group who can't be bothered to fill up their section on a recurring basis. Plus boooing a coach/team that is top 30 in the country is just being petulant. It's pretty embarrassing
Word. And has won 5 of its last 6 in perhaps the toughest league in the nation.
Quote from: StillWarriors on February 02, 2020, 07:49:20 AM
The booing is also pretty stupid because the optics on that to recruits is terrible, and It would be hard not to get somewhat resentful if you are Wojo given the time, energy and stress the coaches deal with. It could certainly be a factor if other opportunities arise for him at some point. For the students booing, the reality is if they get what they apparently wish for, they are pretty much assured to have a significant drop in the quality of the team during their short window at the school due to losing recruiting classes and potentially current players. Yes, there are exceptions, but that is more often the case.
I am not firmly projo or nojo, but there is enough momentum in the program that I want to see this play out a bit more given the current and incoming talent. Booing the head coach of a team that is doing pretty well this season and indisputably has heart and plays hard is really stupid to me. People don't have to love the guy, and I get the arguments beaten to death here about the lowered expectations, investment in the program and five years is enough. People can write letters to the AD or even Wojo to express their displeasure. I have no issue with that. To me, the public display of booing the coach at games is counter-productive to what a fan of the program should be rooting for. It can't feel good for the coach or team, and certainly doesn't look good to recruits, parents of recruits, prospective coaches, media and other observers. Certainly not classy either. No problem if people choose not to cheer him, but booing is in no way going to help the program and under the circumstances reflects poorly on the fan base even though it is a minority of the crowd booing. It's not like we are 5-16.
Outstanding. If you're a student and read this, share it with your knucklehead floor mates who need to do a little growing up.
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on February 01, 2020, 04:00:04 PM
1. Sacar played 48 minutes @ X and it showed. People who think these players are machines are wrong.
Nonsense. The 2nd game in 8 days for a 22 year old after 2 days off. He didn't play well yesterday, period. By that standard, God help all these kids in March.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 02, 2020, 07:56:06 AM
Nonsense. The 2nd game in 8 days for a 22 year old after 2 days off. He didn't play well yesterday, period. By that standard, God help all these kids in March.
I though Sacar was knocked off his game by the injury. Glad he made it back from the locker room and onto the floor.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 02, 2020, 07:34:25 AM
I'm not a fan of the booing, but I'm not nearly as impressed as you seem to be. But I hope I am proven wrong over the next six games.
How is the team performing relative to your expectations from last April and your expectations from the beginning of practice?
Quote from: jsglow on February 02, 2020, 07:57:37 AM
I though Sacar was knocked off his game by the injury. Glad he made it back from the locker room and onto the floor.
He wasn't off to a very good start before that, but that's a much more plausible explanation than his minutes against X.
Quote from: tower912 on February 02, 2020, 08:00:03 AM
How is the team performing relative to your expectations from last April and your expectations from the beginning of practice?
Slightly below. Markus is covering a lot of issues with his scoring. We have a lack of consistency from a second scorer. We turn the ball over too much. We struggle against quicker teams - it's a good thing DePaul doesn't have a consistent shooter otherwise we would have lost by a dozen.
I think we are getting excited about a couple recent wins over teams we should beat. Not to get all muguru, but DePaul, while improved, isn't all that good. Yeah it was fun to gut out a win in front of a nice crowd. But it doesn't mean much more than that.
I am anticipating something like a 7 or 8 seed. Perhaps a first round win. And we will lose comfortably in the second round. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Quote from: mu03eng on February 02, 2020, 07:12:04 AM
Excuse me if I discount the opinion from a group who can't be bothered to fill up their section on a recurring basis. Plus boooing a coach/team that is top 30 in the country is just being petulant. It's pretty embarrassing
My guess is that the majority of the students are only doing it because it has become the thing to do, just like shouting "sucks!" as the opposing players are introduced, or standing until we hit the first bucket. How many students really knew why they were booing Crean during the old timeline video? They just knew that they were supposed to when his face popped up on the Jumbotron.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 02, 2020, 08:17:08 AM
My guess is that the majority of the students are only doing it because it has become the thing to do, just like shouting "sucks!" as the opposing players are introduced, or standing until we hit the first bucket. How many students really knew why they were booing Crean during the old timeline video? They just knew that they were supposed to when his face popped up on the Jumbotron.
Yep. It's clear that the students are just dummies following a herd mentality and don't feel that the team has underperformed during their tenure here.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 02, 2020, 08:17:08 AM
My guess is that the majority of the students are only doing it because it has become the thing to do, just like shouting "sucks!" as the opposing players are introduced, or standing until we hit the first bucket. How many students really knew why they were booing Crean during the old timeline video? They just knew that they were supposed to when his face popped up on the Jumbotron.
They are not 5 and not stupid. They know what booing is and they shouldn't be doing it.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 02, 2020, 07:56:06 AM
Nonsense. The 2nd game in 8 days for a 22 year old after 2 days off. He didn't play well yesterday, period. By that standard, God help all these kids in March.
Yes. The tired legs arguement is tired. Maybe it applies to creepy old guys who post on a fan board, but not to 22 year old kids.
Besides the other teams are in the same boat. I find it funny how MU is tired and banged up at this point in the season, but that doesn't apply to the opposition
It is all about matchups....Soon as Bailey was put on Moore and shut him down.....We kind of took over.....
With the strategy in Chicago.....We should win more comfortably.....
DePaul is a tough matchup for us......Creighton is the worst.....
Quote from: hairy worthen on February 02, 2020, 08:29:25 AM
Yes. The tired legs arguement is tired. Maybe it applies to creepy old guys who post on a fan board, but not to 22 year old kids.
Besides the other teams are in the same boat. I find it funny how MU is tired and banged up at this point in the season, but that doesn't apply to the opposition
Exactly. Naji Marshall had 19/10/4 yesterday after 44 minutes against MU. Ty Jones went for 19/18 after playing 43 against MU.
Quote from: hairy worthen on February 02, 2020, 08:23:24 AM
They are not 5 and not stupid. They know what booing is and they shouldn't be doing it.
I wasn't excusing it. I was explaining it. Most Scoopers would be shocked about how little the typical MU student actually knows about Marquette basketball. A lot of of them are there to party, and I am actually fine with that. But don't try to get into some sort of in-depth conversation with them.
A couple of years back, glow Jr. was working in the Office of Marketing and Communications, and he excitedly told his fellow interns that he was going to be filming Bo Ellis. The reaction: "Who is Bo Ellis?"
Quote from: warriorchick on February 02, 2020, 08:47:23 AM
I wasn't excusing it. I was explaining it. Most Scoopers would be shocked about how little the typical MU student actually knows about Marquette basketball. A lot of of them are there to party, and I am actually fine with that. But don't try to get into some sort of in-depth conversation with them.
A couple of years back, glow Jr. was working in the Office of Marketing and Communications, and he excitedly told his fellow interns that he was going to be filming Bo Ellis. The reaction: "Who is Bo Ellis?"
Yeah I would believe that
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 02, 2020, 08:41:08 AM
Exactly. Naji Marshall had 19/10/4 yesterday after 44 minutes against MU. Ty Jones went for 19/18 after playing 43 against MU.
The outside shot is the first thing to go with tired legs. I'm guessing Naji and Tyreke didn't put up too many threes.
Marquette relies on threes. Tired legs can affect an outside shooting team more.
Marquette also had back to back OT games and has been playing with a short bench.
You do follow Marquette right??
Many students are there for the school sprit and the party on a Saturday. Which is great! I wouldn't get my scouting report from a large chuck of them to word it nicely. ;)
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on February 02, 2020, 09:01:16 AM
The outside shot is the first thing to go with tired legs. I'm guessing Naji and Tyreke didn't put up too many threes.
Marquette relies on threes. Tired legs can affect an outside shooting team more.
Marquette also had back to back OT games and has been playing with a short bench.
You do follow Marquette right??
Well I dont buy your premise that they have tired legs. Its another excuse along with all the other excuses and qualifications.
Hairy, how has the team done versus your expectations last April or your expectations from the beginning of practice?
Quote from: warriorchick on February 02, 2020, 08:47:23 AM
I wasn't excusing it. I was explaining it. Most Scoopers would be shocked about how little the typical MU student actually knows about Marquette basketball. A lot of of them are there to party, and I am actually fine with that. But don't try to get into some sort of in-depth conversation with them.
A couple of years back, glow Jr. was working in the Office of Marketing and Communications, and he excitedly told his fellow interns that he was going to be filming Bo Ellis. The reaction: "Who is Bo Ellis?"
How the hell did the guy get into MU without knowing who Bo Ellis is? Thought that should be part of admissions critera. McGuire, Ellis, Thompson, Walton, Chones, Lucas, McNeil, Meminger, Lackey, Tatum, etc. And then for extra credit Brell, the Elevator man, my old Grafton Buddy, Sewell. All ofthose should be tested for, along with a host of others.
Quote from: StillWarriors on February 02, 2020, 07:49:20 AM
The booing is also pretty stupid because the optics on that to recruits is terrible, and it would be hard not to get somewhat resentful if you are Wojo given the time, energy and stress the coaches deal with. It could certainly be a factor if other opportunities arise for him at some point. For the students booing, the reality is if they get what they apparently wish for, they are pretty much assured to have a significant drop in the quality of the team during their short window at the school due to losing recruiting classes and potentially current players. Yes, there are exceptions, but that is more often the case.
I am not firmly projo or nojo, but there is enough momentum in the program that I want to see this play out a bit more given the current and incoming talent. Booing the head coach of a team that is doing pretty well this season and indisputably has heart and plays hard is really stupid to me. People don't have to love the guy, and I get the arguments beaten to death here about the lowered expectations, investment in the program and five years is enough. People can write letters to the AD or even Wojo to express their displeasure. I have no issue with that. To me, the public display of booing the coach at games is counter-productive to what a fan of the program should be rooting for. It can't feel good for the coach or team, and certainly doesn't look good to recruits, parents of recruits, prospective coaches, media and other observers. Certainly not classy either. No problem if people choose not to cheer him, but booing is in no way going to help the program and under the circumstances reflects poorly on the fan base even though it is a minority of the crowd booing. It's not like we are 5-16.
This is totally where I am: Booing is counterproductive.
If you really love Marquette basketball, and you want the program to improve, why do you want to send a message to recruits that students boo their own team - one that has gone 40-16 over the last season and a half, one that is about to make the NCAAs for the 3rd time in 4 years, and one that is pursuing a kid who will clinch this being a top-10 recruiting class coming in?
I agree with those who say it is almost surely a follow-the-herd mentality. Don't be sheeple, kiddies, it's a bad look. And it's counterproductive.
Quote from: tower912 on February 02, 2020, 09:10:19 AM
Hairy, how has the team done versus your expectations last April or your expectations from the beginning of practice?
I would say they have exceeded my expectations. I also think it is a bit premature to make that determination. They were flirting with a 2 maybe a 1 seed last year at this time.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 01, 2020, 08:40:34 PM
Not true. You are lying
Hypothetically a bomb could rip through the stadium. Are u upset by one who claims "bombs no Matta"? Eat d
You have some good basketball insights and player evaluation skills. However, your FTs No Matta schtick is stupid. A strong FT Rate with a crap tastic FT shooting percentage ain't going to help you win many ballgames.
Eat D...solid middle school level trash talk. You can do better.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 02, 2020, 08:17:08 AM
My guess is that the majority of the students are only doing it because it has become the thing to do, just like shouting "sucks!" as the opposing players are introduced, or standing until we hit the first bucket. How many students really knew why they were booing Crean during the old timeline video? They just knew that they were supposed to when his face popped up on the Jumbotron.
This^, and the mob tends to have leaders who are the most obnoxious and belligerent setting the agenda.
Hopefully another group of students has the fortitude to tell them to STFU.
And if injuries, fatigue, and internal strife return, it could be another poor finish. So far, they have fought through the injuries and fatigue.
Quote from: hairy worthen on February 02, 2020, 08:29:25 AM
Yes. The tired legs arguement is tired. Maybe it applies to creepy old guys who post on a fan board, but not to 22 year old kids.
Besides the other teams are in the same boat. I find it funny how MU is tired and banged up at this point in the season, but that doesn't apply to the opposition
I am not saying that I am all in on the excuse either but no....other teams do not all have the same issue at the same time.
We may have tired legs currently do to playing 4 games in a 10 day stretch that was culminated with a 2 OT game. In those games we had only 8 guys available, Gtown also went down to the wire and SJU plays a fast pressure pace.
We then followed that up with a OT game this week and then another game down to the wire. Its been a lot. Many teams have not had the same current schedule the last 16 days.
Now we have 8 days off. So tired legs wont work for the Butler game.
Quote from: tower912 on February 02, 2020, 09:24:58 AM
And if injuries, fatigue, and internal strife return, it could be another poor finish. So far, they have fought through the injuries and fatigue.
Internal strife? Maybe. No significant sign of it. Injuries? Only if they are major injuries that cause loss of playing time. Fatigue? Absolutely not, all the teams play a long schedule with tough games MU's supposed fatigue is no worse than anyone elses
Quote from: hairy worthen on February 02, 2020, 08:29:25 AM
Yes. The tired legs arguement is tired. Maybe it applies to creepy old guys who post on a fan board, but not to 22 year old kids.
Besides the other teams are in the same boat. I find it funny how MU is tired and banged up at this point in the season, but that doesn't apply to the opposition
Yep especially X that beat the Hall.
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on February 02, 2020, 09:01:16 AM
The outside shot is the first thing to go with tired legs. I'm guessing Naji and Tyreke didn't put up too many threes.
Marquette relies on threes. Tired legs can affect an outside shooting team more.
Marquette also had back to back OT games and has been playing with a short bench.
You do follow Marquette right??
If you think Anim's workload in the past 8 days is too much for any 18-22 year old finely conditioned athlete to handle, then I can't help you. You must think very little of what these guys can handle. Just cancel the conference and NCAA tournaments now and give everyone participation trophies.
It's ok to just say he didn't play well yesterday and leave it at that. You don't have to come up with defenses and excuses for everything that is MU basketball.
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on February 02, 2020, 09:01:16 AM
The outside shot is the first thing to go with tired legs. I'm guessing Naji and Tyreke didn't put up too many threes.
Marquette relies on threes. Tired legs can affect an outside shooting team more.
Marquette also had back to back OT games and has been playing with a short bench.
You do follow Marquette right??
I also didn't realize what a cakewalk 18 boards in a major D1 game is either. You're not playing basketball hard or susceptible to fatigue from the game unless you're jacking threes. Got it.
I should also had we are the only BE team to play 10 games so far in conference.
You can dislike the tired legs excuse all you want. Nothing wrong with that.
But continuing to argue that other teams are in the exact same situation as us is blatantly wrong. We have played more games then everyone, we have played 6 in a short stretch with back to back OT games.
Can anyone recall another game where, aside from Markus, only 3 baskets from beyond point blank range were made in an entire game? It was, to me, the most astounding thing about the game. Truly won at the free throw line.
Quote from: tower912 on February 02, 2020, 09:24:58 AM
And if injuries, fatigue, and internal strife return, it could be another poor finish. So far, they have fought through the injuries and fatigue.
Joey thinking he was the next H.E. was the only problem with internal strife last year IMHO.
As far as fatigue and injuries go, nothing's a given.
This break does come at the perfect time though. I hope they use the time wisely. Rest, good nutrition, and rehab. The rest will play out as fate allows.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 02, 2020, 09:47:22 AM
I also didn't realize what a cakewalk 18 boards in a major D1 game is either. You're not playing basketball hard or susceptible to fatigue from the game unless you're jacking threes. Got it.
I guess we know where you stand when it comes to the NBA and the dawning era of load management (no Jay Bee).
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 02, 2020, 09:47:34 AM
I should also had we are the only BE team to play 10 games so far in conference.
You can dislike the tired legs excuse all you want. Nothing wrong with that.
But continuing to argue that other teams are in the exact same situation as us is blatantly wrong. We have played more games then everyone, we have played 6 in a short stretch with back to back OT games.
Yesterday was X's third game of the week and 2nd on the road. Stop the pity party for MU already.
For people here new to major college basketball, there are tough stretches every team goes through. Our two games in 8 days, one of them at home is hardly a tough stretch. We've played more total games than 3 of other Big East schools. The other 6. we've played the exact same number, so what are you talking about no one has played more games, our situation is somehow unique???
5 wins in the last 6 games. No apologies necessary.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on February 01, 2020, 08:04:33 PM
I was a little surprised/bummed at the loud boos and %u201Cfire Wojo%u201D chants from the students when he was introduced. But, I was super impressed at the end, place was loud and jumpin! Winning solves all problems
We have entitled fans....super lame. But nothing is smarter than 18-22 year olds....especially drunk. Good thing these idiots don't fulfill their civic duties too often....complete morons.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 02, 2020, 10:16:17 AM
We have entitled fans....super lame. But nothing is smarter than 18-22 year olds....especially drunk. Good thing these idiots don't fulfill their civic duties too often....complete morons.
You are right there is nothing smarter than an 18-22 year old. I just asked mine and he agreed.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 02, 2020, 10:03:44 AM
Yesterday was X's third game of the week and 2nd on the road. Stop the pity party for MU already.
For people here new to major college basketball, there are tough stretches every team goes through. Our two games in 8 days, one of them at home is hardly a tough stretch. We've played more total games than 3 of other Big East schools. The other 6. we've played the exact same number, so what are you talking about no one has played more games, our situation is somehow unique???
No pity party, just facts. You can continue to argue against facts, but it just makes you look like the idiot.
I am not using the tired legs excuse.
I am arguing that every team is not in the same boat as us........because they aren't. This is not my opinion vs anyone elses, this is a fact.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 02, 2020, 10:16:17 AM
We have entitled fans....super lame. But nothing is smarter than 18-22 year olds....especially drunk. Good thing these idiots don't fulfill their civic duties too often....complete morons.
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The loud boos for Wojo yesterday were concentrated into one area at the top of the student section on the side of the Marquette bench. Seems like it's just one group of kids, not the entire crowd or even the majority of the student section. Drawing 17k against a 1-8 DePaul team leads me to believe there are still a lot of positive feelings about MU/Wojo among the general fan base.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 02, 2020, 10:24:03 AM
No pity party, just facts. You can continue to argue against facts, but it just makes you look like the idiot.
I am not using the tired legs excuse.
I am arguing that every team is not in the same boat as us........because they aren't. This is not my opinion vs anyone elses, this is a fact.
WTH "boat" are you talking about? We've played a grand total of one more conference game than the other 9. That's it? We're a special case for that?
Go to another teams fan board, tell everyone how awful we've had it, and come back and share everyone's sympathy towards us.
Every team has a different "boat" of things that do and don't break their way through course of a season. Any sport
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 02, 2020, 10:33:56 AM
The loud boos for Wojo yesterday were concentrated into one area at the top of the student section on the side of the Marquette bench. Seems like it's just one group of kids, not the entire crowd or even the majority of the student section. Drawing 17k against a 1-8 DePaul team leads me to believe there is still a lot of positive feelings about MU/Wojo among the general fan base.
I like this post. I hope you are right that an overwhelmingly large majority of Marquette folks are happy to be associated with our hard-working, successful program.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 02, 2020, 10:37:10 AM
WTH "boat" are you talking about? We've played a grand total of one more conference game than the other 9. That's it? We're a special case for that?
Go to another teams fan board, tell everyone how awful we've had it, and come back and share everyone's sympathy towards us.
Every team has a different "boat" of things that do and don't break their way through course of a season. Any sport
Man are you stupid.
Read the thread idiot.
I am not the one who brought up teams being in the same boat. And for now the 3rd time I am not looking for sympathy for MU, I AM NOT USING ANYTHING AS AN EXCUSE.
This would all go a lot better if you just acknowledged you have a clear cognitive disability that is affecting your ability to contribute in any form to this discussion.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 02, 2020, 10:37:10 AM
WTH "boat" are you talking about? We've played a grand total of one more conference game than the other 9. That's it? We're a special case for that?
Go to another teams fan board, tell everyone how awful we've had it, and come back and share everyone's sympathy towards us.
Every team has a different "boat" of things that do and don't break their way through course of a season. Any sport
It's been explained to you multiple times.
Situations vary wildly between different teams and conditions change with time.
Fatigue could easily be considered a factor related to poor outside shooting in the DePaul game.
Fatigue won't be able to be considered in the Butler game.
See how that works???
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 02, 2020, 10:33:56 AM
The loud boos for Wojo yesterday were concentrated into one area at the top of the student section on the side of the Marquette bench. Seems like it's just one group of kids, not the entire crowd or even the majority of the student section. Drawing 17k against a 1-8 DePaul team leads me to believe there is still a lot of positive feelings about MU/Wojo among the general fan base.
The students always benefit when there's a group of Superfan upperclassmen who set the tone. There's nothing better than a respected Senior who tells some stupid Frosh to STFU. I'm now far enough removed from my kids' days on campus that I don't know any of them anymore. But back in the mid 2010's I got to know several of them quite well. Amazing how those outstanding guys/girls are now leaders in the Young Alumni assoc, etc.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 02, 2020, 10:41:54 AM
Man are you stupid.
Read the thread idiot.
I am not the one who brought up teams being in the same boat. And for now the 3rd time I am not looking for sympathy for MU, I AM NOT USING ANYTHING AS AN EXCUSE.
This would all go a lot better if you just acknowledged you have a clear cognitive disability that is affecting your ability to contribute in any form to this discussion.
You didn't bring it up originally, so what? I was responding to the word you used.
If you're not making excuses or looking for sympathy, I'll be damned if there's a point behind what you've said here then. I guess it was a long list of whining.
Quote from: MUDPT on February 02, 2020, 06:26:46 AM
The booing is 95% students, in my opinion. Only reason I think that, was way it was louder yesterday and the Nova game. Barely hear it for the weeknight games. Ridiculous.
Disagree it was primarily students. I was 2 sections away from the students .. yesterday's booing of Wojo's introduction was coming from everywhere, and I thought the epicenter was the middle sections. It was short, but frankly startling, not just 100 discontents .. had to be 10x that to make that volume.
So what started as a quiet group of 100 people booing Wojo when we started off 1-3 in the BE has grown to 1,000 fans boing Wojo as we've gone 5-1 in our last 6 BE games? MU fans are just the best.
Right around a top 30 KenPom team, right around a top 25 NET team, alone in 4th place in the 2nd best conference in America. Does it call for wild cheering? Not necessarily. Booing? What an embarrassment.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 02, 2020, 10:57:15 AM
You didn't bring it up originally, so what? I was responding to the word you used.
If you're not making excuses or looking for sympathy, I'll be damned if there's a point behind what you've said here then. I guess it was a long list of whining.
I stated the point, unfortunately I do not have the appropriate super powers to get you to understand the point.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 02, 2020, 11:00:54 AM
Disagree it was primarily students. I was 2 sections away from the students .. yesterday's booing of Wojo's introduction was coming from everywhere, and I thought the epicenter was the middle sections.
Agree completely on both points. I'm not sure where people are hearing student section
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 02, 2020, 11:00:54 AM
Disagree it was primarily students. I was 2 sections away from the students .. yesterday's booing of Wojo's introduction was coming from everywhere, and I thought the epicenter was the middle sections. It was short, but frankly startling, not just 100 discontents .. had to be 10x that to make that volume.
Watch him leave and when the unicorn doesn't come in and we start all over again....it will serve out entitled fans a healthy dose of reality. Oooohhhhh is this great or what. Yay. Yay. Yay
Quote from: manesworld on February 02, 2020, 11:06:08 AM
So what started as a quiet group of 100 people booing Wojo when we started off 1-3 in the BE has grown to 1,000 fans boing Wojo as we've gone 5-1 in our last 6 BE games? MU fans are just the best.
Right around a top 30 KenPom team, right around a top 25 NET team, alone in 4th place in the 2nd best conference in America. Does it call for wild cheering? Not necessarily. Booing? What an embarrassment.
Maybe MU needs to remind the fans of how "great" the team is by flashing the Kenpom stats prior to the entrance.
Also, could change the intro music to: *Curb Your Enthusiasm*
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 02, 2020, 11:09:03 AM
Agree completely on both points. I'm not sure where people are hearing student section
I spoke to my son this morning and he said some students were. I asked why and he said because they are short sighted, think that someone like Izzo is coming. We both laughed.
Quote from: StillWarriors on February 02, 2020, 07:49:20 AM
The booing is also pretty stupid because the optics on that to recruits is terrible, and it would be hard not to get somewhat resentful if you are Wojo given the time, energy and stress the coaches deal with. It could certainly be a factor if other opportunities arise for him at some point. For the students booing, the reality is if they get what they apparently wish for, they are pretty much assured to have a significant drop in the quality of the team during their short window at the school due to losing recruiting classes and potentially current players. Yes, there are exceptions, but that is more often the case.
I am not firmly projo or nojo, but there is enough momentum in the program that I want to see this play out a bit more given the current and incoming talent. Booing the head coach of a team that is doing pretty well this season and indisputably has heart and plays hard is really stupid to me. People don't have to love the guy, and I get the arguments beaten to death here about the lowered expectations, investment in the program and five years is enough. People can write letters to the AD or even Wojo to express their displeasure. I have no issue with that. To me, the public display of booing the coach at games is counter-productive to what a fan of the program should be rooting for. It can't feel good for the coach or team, and certainly doesn't look good to recruits, parents of recruits, prospective coaches, media and other observers. Certainly not classy either. No problem if people choose not to cheer him, but booing is in no way going to help the program and under the circumstances reflects poorly on the fan base even though it is a minority of the crowd booing. It's not like we are 5-16.
This sums it up for me. I did see some students trying to shut it down, too. I am sure this is pure coincidence, but when I got in the car after the game to hear Wojo, it was Stan. Couldn't help but wonder if Wojo was a bit miffed and didn't do the radio postgame.
Wow, I see everyone's already in mid-off-week bickering form. This should be fun...
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 02, 2020, 10:33:56 AM
The loud boos for Wojo yesterday were concentrated into one area at the top of the student section on the side of the Marquette bench. Seems like it's just one group of kids, not the entire crowd or even the majority of the student section. Drawing 17k against a 1-8 DePaul team leads me to believe there are still a lot of positive feelings about MU/Wojo among the general fan base.
That's interesting, as my seats are up from the baseline end of MU bench, and it was loud and clear. They were the loudest boos yet, and when the Fire Wojo chant started, I was surprised. I'm not a Wojo fan, but to argue that he isn't doing all he can, along with the players, to win and improve MU b-ball is a non-starter.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 02, 2020, 11:06:32 AM
I stated the point, unfortunately I do not have the appropriate super powers to get you to understand the point.
Yes, no team has same situation as us. What a revelation and insight.
What you're failing or refusing to catch is this kind of goes without needing to be said and trotting out a litany of reasons with that point why we're different comes off as making excuses or whining or both.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 02, 2020, 11:20:52 AM
Yes, no team has same situation as us. What a revelation and insight.
What you're failing or refusing to catch is this kind of goes without needing to be said and trotting out a litany of reasons with that point why we're different comes off as making excuses or whining or both.
What you are failing or refusing to catch is that it was in fact stated that every team in the league has the same situation as us.
I really do not know how you are not grasping this. I didn't come out of nowhere with the statement..
Quote from: manesworld on February 02, 2020, 11:06:08 AM
So what started as a quiet group of 100 people booing Wojo when we started off 1-3 in the BE has grown to 1,000 fans boing Wojo as we've gone 5-1 in our last 6 BE games? MU fans are just the best.
Right around a top 30 KenPom team, right around a top 25 NET team, alone in 4th place in the 2nd best conference in America. Does it call for wild cheering? Not necessarily. Booing? What an embarrassment.
I agree. This is Wojo's best coaching job while at MU. As you know I was an early and very vocal NoJo from about game 6 of Wojo's tenure, but I felt ZERO compulsion to boo Wojo when he was introduced at Villanova game.
Think Wojo can get the monkey off his back if this team can finish strong down the stretch, win a game or two in Big East tournament and NCAA. Fail to win a game in either tourney? There will be more NoJo's to a group that has been growing year over year.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on February 02, 2020, 11:20:35 AM
That's interesting, as my seats are up from the baseline end of MU bench, and it was loud and clear. They were the loudest boos yet, and when the Fire Wojo chant started, I was surprised. I'm not a Wojo fan, but to argue that he isn't doing all he can, along with the players, to win and improve MU b-ball is a non-starter.
He's paid over 2 million a year. Stop playing the "trying" card. My God, the enabling on here is absurd. Nice to see the students holding Wojo accountable rather than the overweight alums who are too carbed up to care much.
Quote from: tower912 on February 02, 2020, 09:50:55 AM
Can anyone recall another game where, aside from Markus, only 3 baskets from beyond point blank range were made in an entire game? It was, to me, the most astounding thing about the game. Truly won at the free throw line.
At half time we were 24% from three and DePaul was 30%. I thought we would need to shoot much better in second half to win. What happen we finished at just over 22%, so we got worse. DePaul went from over 30% to 20%. I guess you do not need to shoot good at the three, if the other team is also clunking it.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on February 02, 2020, 11:35:26 AM
He's paid over 2 million a year. Stop playing the "trying" card. My God, the enabling on here is absurd. Nice to see the students holding Wojo accountable rather than the overweight alums who are too carbed up to care much.
Yeah, the students are wise and so experienced with accountability, and especially dialed into the realities of college basketball coaching hires. We should listen to them the most. Has Greta weighed in yet?
Attended the game yesterday. First in person this year. "Fans" booing Wojo in pregame is embarrassing.
Quote from: bilsu on February 02, 2020, 11:37:48 AM
At half time we were 24% from three and DePaul was 30%. I thought we would need to shoot much better in second half to win. What happen we finished at just over 22%, so we got worse. DePaul went from over 30% to 20%. I guess you do not need to shoot good at the three, if the other team is also clunking it.
That's all you can do when you have no inside game whatsoever. It's also a testament to how bad DePaul is on the offensive end. If they can figure out how to run an offense, they're a tough team to beat.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on February 02, 2020, 11:41:02 AM
That's all you can do when you have no inside game whatsoever. It's also a testament to how bad DePaul is on the offensive end. If they can figure out how to run an offense, they're a tough team to beat.
I watched DePaul several times this year. They have been up in several games, but keep losing it at the end.
In our game and those games it seem to me DePaul starts taking poor shots. They just do not know how to win the games they had a good chance of winning with 5 minutes to go.
Quote from: bilsu on February 02, 2020, 11:46:54 AM
I watched DePaul several times this year. They have been up in several games, but keep losing it at the end.
In our game and those games it seem to me DePaul starts taking poor shots. They just do not know how to win the games they had a good chance of winning with 5 minutes to go.
Yes * a lot. They have been up in the second half in probably 5 or more games this year where they let it go in the end.
Quote from: bilsu on February 02, 2020, 11:37:48 AM
At half time we were 24% from three and DePaul was 30%. I thought we would need to shoot much better in second half to win. What happen we finished at just over 22%, so we got worse. DePaul went from over 30% to 20%. I guess you do not need to shoot good at the three, if the other team is also clunking it.
Pomeroy efficiency-wise, yesterday was DePaul's third best offensive game in Big East play. It was also their third worst defensive game in conference.
MU won a game by grinding it out and taking it to the hoop and drawing fouls as exhibited in our 70% free throw rate. That high of a FTR has not been seen in a MU conference game since our game versus Georgetown in 2012.
Unlike past Wojo years, MU didn't have the line-up to win games this way. They have had multiple BE games where their FTR is a very 50% this season. This was one of the reasons I picked Jayce as SOTG as he adds value in ways not seen on a stat sheet (btw, Wojo also called out JJ post-game).
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on February 02, 2020, 11:35:26 AM
He's paid over 2 million a year. Stop playing the "trying" card. My God, the enabling on here is absurd. Nice to see the students holding Wojo accountable rather than the overweight alums who are too carbed up to care much.
Interesting response. I'm not saying he should be rewarded for trying, this is big time basketball. He absolutely should be held accountable. He may not be the right guy, but booing someone for coaching young men at a very high level is a non-starter. He may be at his peak, he may not. Booing our own strikes me as unproductive, lazy, ignorant, and generally unkind.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 01, 2020, 09:54:51 PM
Nah, the type to square up and make it official. What's good?
You're a pvssy. Hahaha
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on February 02, 2020, 12:02:44 PM
Interesting response. I'm not saying he should be rewarded for trying, this is big time basketball. He absolutely should be held accountable. He may not be the right guy, but booing someone for coaching young men at a very high level is a non-starter. He may be at his peak, he may not. Booing our own strikes me as unproductive, lazy, ignorant, and generally unkind.
It's just a really bad look all around. What do you think recruits think when they hear that crap? Not saying Wojo does not deserve some heat and that he needs to win in March, but booing your own coach just makes the fan base look like a bunch of entitled jagoffs.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 02, 2020, 12:06:49 PM
It's just a really bad look all around. What do you think recruits think when they hear that crap? Not saying Wojo does not deserve some heat and that he needs to win in March, but booing your own coach just makes the fan base look like a bunch of entitled jagoffs.
Entitled? Or pissed off at a coach who ran off the Hausers and lost 2 conference games due to a cascade of coaching issues? The fanbase is tired of self inflicted wounds.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 02, 2020, 12:06:49 PM
It's just a really bad look all around. What do you think recruits think when they hear that crap? Not saying Wojo does not deserve some heat and that he needs to win in March, but booing your own coach just makes the fan base look like a bunch of entitled jagoffs.
It also just really shows a lack of awareness. After a tough start to conference play, MU is quietly putting together a really nice run. If the season and team were tanking with no recruits signed, I could understand lesser crowds and some boos. This program is trending in a positive direction on the court and in the recruiting world at this present moment, so it's very bizarre timing to boo the head coach.
The overall direction and success of the MU program under Wojo is a different and more complex debate. I highly doubt the "fans" who are booing are deeply thinking about this and weighing all of the pros and cons of having Wojo as the coach.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 02, 2020, 12:06:49 PM
It's just a really bad look all around. What do you think recruits think when they hear that crap? Not saying Wojo does not deserve some heat and that he needs to win in March, but booing your own coach just makes the fan base look like a bunch of entitled jagoffs.
I also think this would hurt recruiting another coach. Like him or not an objective person outside the program would see the program on an upward trend with a great recruiting class coming in. Wojo also has cache in the coaching world and with the media. A perception that he is being booed while winning and going to NCAA tournaments and being pushed out by our administration would be a bad look. I would think there would be some significant negative backlash in the coaching fraternity and in the college b-ball media. We obviously would get several nibbles but I'm not sure they would be at the level of coaches this portion of booing fans would like. We may end up going backwards. I know many here get annoyed with Cheeks but he could be right when he says be careful what you wish for.
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 01, 2020, 06:51:47 PM
Yup, though there were several rows of empties on the west student side.
Anyone who is noticing those empty student seats and think "the students are not selling out..." or "students are not showing up".
Those people are clearly not going to the panorama club. The last 3 home games there has to be at least 100+ students in the panorama club at all times partying.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 02, 2020, 11:54:35 AM
Yes * a lot. They have been up in the second half in probably 5 or more games this year where they let it go in the end.
You are correct. I have watched a few of their games. They can't close out
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on February 02, 2020, 12:12:58 PM
Entitled? Or pissed off at a coach who ran off the Hausers and lost 2 conference games due to a cascade of coaching issues? The fanbase is tired of self inflicted wounds.
WE ARE BETTER RIGHT NOW WITHOUT THEM THAN WITH THEM. Great shooters, defensive liabilities. Get over yourself. What cascade of coaching issues?
Not to continue to beat a dead horse, but thought I would provide a more "inside" perspective on students booing, as I am currently a student at Marquette.
I am not the average student/fan, as I have been invested in Marquette basketball for as long as I can remember. So I obviously care and pay attention a lot more than 99% of students.
As someone previously mentioned, the booing happens because it truly is a herd mentality. Similar to this board, there is a small, but vocal, minority of people on campus that are on the Fire Wojo train. They can easily pander to less informed students by pointing to things such as lack of tournament wins and of course, the Hausers leaving. Hell, in one of my classes during the first week when the "icebreakers" occur, one student used his turn as a time to inform everyone that Wojo should be fired. Fact of the matter is, most students don't care a whole lot about the success of Marquette basketball. I've tried to explain various things to my friends to both increase their interest and lay off Wojo, but they just don't care enough to even want to understand. Most people look at games as a drinking/party opportunity, which is fine. Unfortunately, disliking and booing Wojo has just become something that you're supposed to do for many students. They don't know why, and they don't know the impact that it has, but they will continue to do it anyways. It is very disappointing, because it truly is an awful look. But I'm afraid it won't change unless there is a significant success that grabs many student's attention. They don't care or understand how important things like road wins at Xavier or Georgetown are. The only thing that'll change that is something like a big east championship or a run to the second weekend of the tournament.
Thanks for the insight, 2020. Hopefully the students come around as we stack up more victories.
Quote from: MU2020 on February 02, 2020, 01:16:51 PM
Not to continue to beat a dead horse, but thought I would provide a more "inside" perspective on students booing, as I am currently a student at Marquette.
I am not the average student/fan, as I have been invested in Marquette basketball for as long as I can remember. So I obviously care and pay attention a lot more than 99% of students.
As someone previously mentioned, the booing happens because it truly is a herd mentality. Similar to this board, there is a small, but vocal, minority of people on campus that are on the Fire Wojo train. They can easily pander to less informed students by pointing to things such as lack of tournament wins and of course, the Hausers leaving. Hell, in one of my classes during the first week when the "icebreakers" occur, one student used his turn as a time to inform everyone that Wojo should be fired. Fact of the matter is, most students don't care a whole lot about the success of Marquette basketball. I've tried to explain various things to my friends to both increase their interest and lay off Wojo, but they just don't care enough to even want to understand. Most people look at games as a drinking/party opportunity, which is fine. Unfortunately, disliking and booing Wojo has just become something that you're supposed to do for many students. They don't know why, and they don't know the impact that it has, but they will continue to do it anyways. It is very disappointing, because it truly is an awful look. But I'm afraid it won't change unless there is a significant success that grabs many student's attention. They don't care or understand how important things like road wins at Xavier or Georgetown are. The only thing that'll change that is something like a big east championship or a run to the second weekend of the tournament.
Yup, pretty much what I heard from several students. Herd mentality is right.
He just has to continue winning over hearts and minds. I'm convinced some fans simply want to start over every 6 years. Masochists.
Sitting on a bus in Miami....time to burn
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 02, 2020, 09:22:11 AM
You have some good basketball insights and player evaluation skills. However, your FTs No Matta schtick is stupid. A strong FT Rate with a crap tastic FT shooting percentage ain't going to help you win many ballgames.
Eat D...solid middle school level trash talk. You can do better.
A great team FT% won't make your offense good. Come to reality
Quote from: StillWarriors on February 02, 2020, 07:49:20 AM
The booing is also pretty stupid because the optics on that to recruits is terrible, and it would be hard not to get somewhat resentful if you are Wojo given the time, energy and stress the coaches deal with. It could certainly be a factor if other opportunities arise for him at some point. For the students booing, the reality is if they get what they apparently wish for, they are pretty much assured to have a significant drop in the quality of the team during their short window at the school due to losing recruiting classes and potentially current players. Yes, there are exceptions, but that is more often the case.
I am not firmly projo or nojo, but there is enough momentum in the program that I want to see this play out a bit more given the current and incoming talent. Booing the head coach of a team that is doing pretty well this season and indisputably has heart and plays hard is really stupid to me. People don't have to love the guy, and I get the arguments beaten to death here about the lowered expectations, investment in the program and five years is enough. People can write letters to the AD or even Wojo to express their displeasure. I have no issue with that. To me, the public display of booing the coach at games is counter-productive to what a fan of the program should be rooting for. It can't feel good for the coach or team, and certainly doesn't look good to recruits, parents of recruits, prospective coaches, media and other observers. Certainly not classy either. No problem if people choose not to cheer him, but booing is in no way going to help the program and under the circumstances reflects poorly on the fan base even though it is a minority of the crowd booing. It's not like we are 5-16.
Well said.
I agree. I hope it doesn't happen at NMD on Sunday.
Hopefully the squad ends the season on a positive note. I doubt the folks booing are gonna be any quieter next year otherwise.
Quote from: MU2020 on February 02, 2020, 01:16:51 PM
Not to continue to beat a dead horse, but thought I would provide a more "inside" perspective on students booing, as I am currently a student at Marquette.
I am not the average student/fan, as I have been invested in Marquette basketball for as long as I can remember. So I obviously care and pay attention a lot more than 99% of students.
As someone previously mentioned, the booing happens because it truly is a herd mentality. Similar to this board, there is a small, but vocal, minority of people on campus that are on the Fire Wojo train. They can easily pander to less informed students by pointing to things such as lack of tournament wins and of course, the Hausers leaving. Hell, in one of my classes during the first week when the "icebreakers" occur, one student used his turn as a time to inform everyone that Wojo should be fired. Fact of the matter is, most students don't care a whole lot about the success of Marquette basketball. I've tried to explain various things to my friends to both increase their interest and lay off Wojo, but they just don't care enough to even want to understand. Most people look at games as a drinking/party opportunity, which is fine. Unfortunately, disliking and booing Wojo has just become something that you're supposed to do for many students. They don't know why, and they don't know the impact that it has, but they will continue to do it anyways. It is very disappointing, because it truly is an awful look. But I'm afraid it won't change unless there is a significant success that grabs many student's attention. They don't care or understand how important things like road wins at Xavier or Georgetown are. The only thing that'll change that is something like a big east championship or a run to the second weekend of the tournament.
Cheeks?
I have a serious hypothetical question for anyone that cares to answer..We talk so much about trending upwards etc here when it comes to the MU program under Wojo. So, my question is...if you were DePaul would you fire Leitao after this season?? I'm asking because even though their BE is a debacle, they had a really good non conference and overall that is a huge step up for them. Their recruiting seems to have gotten better, but...Leitao has now been there 5 years on his second time around and they may not even make the NIT this year after a great start. Still though, it's DePaul and their great non conference is a huge step forward, they also had a run to the Championship of the CBI last year(a tourney for them is progress).
So would you fire Leitao?? Why or why not?? Be as honest as you can be. I can tell you their fans have had it and want him gone.
Clouseau?
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on February 02, 2020, 12:12:58 PM
Entitled? Or pissed off at a coach who ran off the Hausers and lost 2 conference games due to a cascade of coaching issues? The fanbase is tired of self inflicted wounds.
Motive revealed!!
I'm not sure why the students are booing but now I know why you are.
When people list grievances, they usually put the main one at the top.
Your first complaint about Wojo was very telling.
"Pissed off at a coach who ran off the Hausers"
At least you have admitted why you really hate Wojo.
If only more people were as honest as you accidentally were.
Quote from: muguru on February 02, 2020, 03:02:18 PM
I have a serious hypothetical question for anyone that cares to answer..We talk so much about trending upwards etc here when it comes to the MU program under Wojo. So, my question is...if you were DePaul would you fire Leitao after this season?? I'm asking because even though their BE is a debacle, they had a really good non conference and overall that is a huge step up for them. Their recruiting seems to have gotten better, but...Leitao has now been there 5 years on his second time around and they may not even make the NIT this year after a great start. Still though, it's DePaul and their great non conference is a huge step forward, they also had a run to the Championship of the CBI last year(a tourney for them is progress).
So would you fire Leitao?? Why or why not?? Be as honest as you can be. I can tell you their fans have had it and want him gone.
First, fire the AD. Then, after a competent AD has a year to organize, assess, and plan, go coach shopping.
Quote from: MU82 on February 02, 2020, 10:38:05 AM
I like this post. I hope you are right that an overwhelmingly large majority of Marquette folks are happy to be associated with our hard-working, successful regular season program.
FIFY...
Quote from: Cheeks on February 02, 2020, 01:15:59 PM
WE ARE BETTER RIGHT NOW WITHOUT THEM THAN WITH THEM. Great shooters, defensive liabilities. Get over yourself. What cascade of coaching issues?
Cheeks, please sit down before reading the rest...
I agree with you 100% on the Hausers.
And now back to our normal programming:
Not so much on coaching issues.
Did we just have a breakthrough? :)
Quote from: muguru on February 02, 2020, 03:02:18 PM
I have a serious hypothetical question for anyone that cares to answer..We talk so much about trending upwards etc here when it comes to the MU program under Wojo. So, my question is...if you were DePaul would you fire Leitao after this season?? I'm asking because even though their BE is a debacle, they had a really good non conference and overall that is a huge step up for them. Their recruiting seems to have gotten better, but...Leitao has now been there 5 years on his second time around and they may not even make the NIT this year after a great start. Still though, it's DePaul and their great non conference is a huge step forward, they also had a run to the Championship of the CBI last year(a tourney for them is progress).
So would you fire Leitao?? Why or why not?? Be as honest as you can be. I can tell you their fans have had it and want him gone.
Never would have hired him the second time. So, yes I would fire him. Major recruiting infraction, team in disarray, poor to middling conference results everywhere he has been. A re-retread who was the only potential candidate you could afford. Is part of the JLP patronage mafia that values staid mediocrity and job security, and has tasted the NCAAs only once in MBB in the 21st century, never in the Big East.
DePaul needs to clean house and hire disrupters. They won't as they are too fat and happy cashing media and NCAA shares earned by all the other conference members. Sounds like the Bulls model.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on February 02, 2020, 12:12:58 PM
Entitled? Or pissed off at a coach who ran off the Hausers and lost 2 conference games due to a cascade of coaching issues? The fanbase is tired of self inflicted wounds.
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Your level of cluelessness is almost beyond comprehension. For someone who posts so much, it is astounding your complete lack of understanding of basketball and what it takes to be a successful coach and build a long lasting successful program. Do you know what the Dunning-Kruger affect is? This fits you perfectly. You honestly think you know what you are talking about it and you act like an expert, and you honestly can't even see how clueless you are. Most posters see through your temper tantrums and incoherent nonsensical posts, but even when presented with logic and facts, you continue to spew your unfounded hatred. Your irrational insecurity and anger are seen by most of us, but sadly you will never "get it".
Quote from: MU1980 on February 02, 2020, 03:36:58 PM
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Your level of cluelessness is almost beyond comprehension. For someone who posts so much, it is astounding your complete lack of understanding of basketball and what it takes to be a successful coach and build a long lasting successful program. Do you know what the Dunning-Kruger affect is? This fits you perfectly. You honestly think you know what you are talking about it and you act like an expert, and you honestly can't even see how clueless you are. Most posters see through your temper tantrums and incoherent nonsensical posts, but even when presented with logic and facts, you continue to spew your unfounded hatred. Your irrational insecurity and anger are seen by most of us, but sadly you will never "get it".
Easy now.....
You're going to wind up being accused of being Cheeks or me or anybody else who disagrees with scoops little echo chamber of Wojo haters.
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on February 02, 2020, 03:42:29 PM
Easy now.....
You're going to wind up being accused of being Cheeks or me or anybody else who disagrees with scoops little echo chamber of Wojo haters.
I thought mu1980 was talking about you. It fits better.
Quote from: MU2020 on February 02, 2020, 01:16:51 PM
Not to continue to beat a dead horse, but thought I would provide a more "inside" perspective on students booing, as I am currently a student at Marquette.
I am not the average student/fan, as I have been invested in Marquette basketball for as long as I can remember. So I obviously care and pay attention a lot more than 99% of students.
As someone previously mentioned, the booing happens because it truly is a herd mentality. Similar to this board, there is a small, but vocal, minority of people on campus that are on the Fire Wojo train. They can easily pander to less informed students by pointing to things such as lack of tournament wins and of course, the Hausers leaving. Hell, in one of my classes during the first week when the "icebreakers" occur, one student used his turn as a time to inform everyone that Wojo should be fired. Fact of the matter is, most students don't care a whole lot about the success of Marquette basketball. I've tried to explain various things to my friends to both increase their interest and lay off Wojo, but they just don't care enough to even want to understand. Most people look at games as a drinking/party opportunity, which is fine. Unfortunately, disliking and booing Wojo has just become something that you're supposed to do for many students. They don't know why, and they don't know the impact that it has, but they will continue to do it anyways. It is very disappointing, because it truly is an awful look. But I'm afraid it won't change unless there is a significant success that grabs many student's attention. They don't care or understand how important things like road wins at Xavier or Georgetown are. The only thing that'll change that is something like a big east championship or a run to the second weekend of the tournament.
Keep fighting the fight and try to educate your fellow students as best you can.
Quote from: manesworld on February 02, 2020, 11:06:08 AM
So what started as a quiet group of 100 people booing Wojo when we started off 1-3 in the BE has grown to 1,000 fans boing Wojo as we've gone 5-1 in our last 6 BE games? MU fans are just the best.
Right around a top 30 KenPom team, right around a top 25 NET team, alone in 4th place in the 2nd best conference in America. Does it call for wild cheering? Not necessarily. Booing? What an embarrassment.
Yep. We had won 4 of 5 games coming in, playing some very inspired basketball, overcoming adversity. Idiotic to boo anybody associated with our program.
Not surprised, though. It's always easier to follow the herd, always easier to tear down rather than build up.
Quote from: hairy worthen on February 02, 2020, 03:47:43 PM
I thought mu1980 was talking about you. It fits better.
Which proves you suffer from the same affliction as MDDG.
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2020, 06:02:53 PM
I'm not sure you know what "surreal" means.
Late on this but legit LOL
Quote from: muguru on February 02, 2020, 03:02:18 PM
I have a serious hypothetical question for anyone that cares to answer..We talk so much about trending upwards etc here when it comes to the MU program under Wojo. So, my question is...if you were DePaul would you fire Leitao after this season?? I'm asking because even though their BE is a debacle, they had a really good non conference and overall that is a huge step up for them. Their recruiting seems to have gotten better, but...Leitao has now been there 5 years on his second time around and they may not even make the NIT this year after a great start. Still though, it's DePaul and their great non conference is a huge step forward, they also had a run to the Championship of the CBI last year(a tourney for them is progress).
So would you fire Leitao?? Why or why not?? Be as honest as you can be. I can tell you their fans have had it and want him gone.
This is very similar to when Marquette was 1-3 and people were writing Wojo and the team off.
With DePauls NC record, a strong finish in the conference could easily get them in the tournament. I do not look forward to the game at their place, and any team that overlooks them is setting themselves up for a trap game.
Just like I suggested people let the season play out in regards to Wojo and Marquette, that same suggestion applies to Leitao and DePaul.
Quote from: hairy worthen on February 02, 2020, 02:57:10 PM
Cheeks?
Yep and this is why I refrain from posting. Thought I'd contribute some legitimate insight from a student perspective but still can't avoid the immature sarcasm from many posters.
Quote from: MU2020 on February 02, 2020, 04:12:24 PM
Yep and this is why I refrain from posting. Thought I'd contribute some legitimate insight from a student perspective but still can't avoid the immature sarcasm from many posters.
Such is life.
Quote from: MU2020 on February 02, 2020, 04:12:24 PM
Yep and this is why I refrain from posting. Thought I'd contribute some legitimate insight from a student perspective but still can't avoid the immature sarcasm from many posters.
Lighten up Francis you are too young for martyrdom.
Quote from: MU2020 on February 02, 2020, 04:12:24 PM
Yep and this is why I refrain from posting. Thought I'd contribute some legitimate insight from a student perspective but still can't avoid the immature sarcasm from many posters.
Now I'm 100% convinced this is Cheeks' kid.
Your anger at your dad not taking you to the Super Bowl should be directed elsewhere.
MU2020
They're just charter members of the He Man Wojo Haters Club.
When the team was 1-3 they peed all over themselves, and now that Wojo has the team at 6-4 they're embarrassed about how foolish they look wearing the yellow stains that they will carry the rest of their lives.
Adversity reveals character, and their character was revealed.
Quote from: muguru on February 02, 2020, 03:02:18 PM
I have a serious hypothetical question for anyone that cares to answer..We talk so much about trending upwards etc here when it comes to the MU program under Wojo. So, my question is...if you were DePaul would you fire Leitao after this season?? I'm asking because even though their BE is a debacle, they had a really good non conference and overall that is a huge step up for them. Their recruiting seems to have gotten better, but...Leitao has now been there 5 years on his second time around and they may not even make the NIT this year after a great start. Still though, it's DePaul and their great non conference is a huge step forward, they also had a run to the Championship of the CBI last year(a tourney for them is progress).
So would you fire Leitao?? Why or why not?? Be as honest as you can be. I can tell you their fans have had it and want him gone.
Pretty apparent the lack of vision and basketball understanding when even asking the question. Wojo is light years ahead of Leitao. Leitao's seat would be warm anywhere but before I fired him I would talk to the players and if they still wanted to play for him then I would pull the trigger after next year if he didn't show significant improvement. Butz, Gage, Reed, and Moore will be seniors while Weems and Hall will be sophomores. After that the team doesn't have much so you won't lose much with a coaching change. Their current 2020 recruiting class isn't top 150.
Leitao had one good year with Depaul before leaving. He then did next to nothing at Virginia. This is his second go round with Depaul and has shown some Minor improvement but not nearly the same trend. In his 15 year career, he has gone to the ncaa's twice.
2015 9-22 (3-15)
2016 9-23(2-16)
2017 11-20 (4-14)
2018 15-15 (7-11)
2019 13-9 (1-8) *he needs to run the table to get to the same conference record as last year. If his team doesn't turn it around he could finish the year sub-500 after starting 12-1.
The one thing going for DePaul next year is they lose one player which means they have an experienced team that had some good individual wins this year. I would see if they could make a run to the NCAAs. After that there is an opp for a clean break.
DePaul just landed a top 35 jr. Pretty unlike DePaul. I'd keep him. They have some young talent.
Quote from: MuMark on February 01, 2020, 08:37:53 PM
(I saw Wojo's actual post game presser on the internet)
Oops, sorry. Stan said basically word for word that same thing on Homer's post game show. But it started off with Stan, slightly horse like Wojo usually is post game so not completely distinguishable when you're thinking it's Wojo, being introduced by Homer as Coach Wojo and Stan needing to let him know he's got Stan Johnson today. Since it was basically word for word thought maybe you got to your car after Stan let Homer know it was Stan and just heard the radio interview thinking it was Wojo. My bad.
Quote from: MU2020 on February 02, 2020, 01:16:51 PM
Not to continue to beat a dead horse, but thought I would provide a more "inside" perspective on students booing, as I am currently a student at Marquette.
I am not the average student/fan, as I have been invested in Marquette basketball for as long as I can remember. So I obviously care and pay attention a lot more than 99% of students.
As someone previously mentioned, the booing happens because it truly is a herd mentality. Similar to this board, there is a small, but vocal, minority of people on campus that are on the Fire Wojo train. They can easily pander to less informed students by pointing to things such as lack of tournament wins and of course, the Hausers leaving. Hell, in one of my classes during the first week when the "icebreakers" occur, one student used his turn as a time to inform everyone that Wojo should be fired. Fact of the matter is, most students don't care a whole lot about the success of Marquette basketball. I've tried to explain various things to my friends to both increase their interest and lay off Wojo, but they just don't care enough to even want to understand. Most people look at games as a drinking/party opportunity, which is fine. Unfortunately, disliking and booing Wojo has just become something that you're supposed to do for many students. They don't know why, and they don't know the impact that it has, but they will continue to do it anyways. It is very disappointing, because it truly is an awful look. But I'm afraid it won't change unless there is a significant success that grabs many student's attention. They don't care or understand how important things like road wins at Xavier or Georgetown are. The only thing that'll change that is something like a big east championship or a run to the second weekend of the tournament.
Reminds me of 1978!
Quote from: muguru on February 02, 2020, 03:02:18 PM
I have a serious hypothetical question for anyone that cares to answer..We talk so much about trending upwards etc here when it comes to the MU program under Wojo. So, my question is...if you were DePaul would you fire Leitao after this season?? I'm asking because even though their BE is a debacle, they had a really good non conference and overall that is a huge step up for them. Their recruiting seems to have gotten better, but...Leitao has now been there 5 years on his second time around and they may not even make the NIT this year after a great start. Still though, it's DePaul and their great non conference is a huge step forward, they also had a run to the Championship of the CBI last year(a tourney for them is progress).
So would you fire Leitao?? Why or why not?? Be as honest as you can be. I can tell you their fans have had it and want him gone.
The fan base is waaay more irritated with JLP than Leitao. That's who they want gone first. Then they may go after Leitao.
Leitao is plenty safe. Despite the poor BE record, the unexpected non-con success sealed that. Attendance is ticking up at home games. Only losing one player next year and scored a top 50 recruit (assuming he doesn't pull a Tyger Campbell). I think DePaul is gonna give Leitao plenty of rope.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 02, 2020, 11:19:29 AM
Wow, I see everyone's already in mid-off-week bickering form. This should be fun...
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Quote from: warriorchick on February 02, 2020, 08:47:23 AM
I was explaining it. Most Scoopers would be shocked about how little the typical MU student actually knows about Marquette basketball. A lot of of them are there to party, and I am actually fine with that. But don't try to get into some sort of in-depth conversation with them.
A couple of years back, glow Jr. was working in the Office of Marketing and Communications, and he excitedly told his fellow interns that he was going to be filming Bo Ellis. The reaction: "Who is Bo Ellis?"
Just talk to two female students workers this morning. They don't even know what a shot clock is. I was shocked to hear that. One even said I bet if you took a survey of the student section, you would be disappointed.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on February 03, 2020, 09:19:24 AM
Just talk to two female students workers this morning. They don't even know what a shot clock is. I was shocked to hear that. One even said I bet if you took a survey of the student section, you would be disappointed.
I am dead serious when I say that a required part of Marquette's New Student Orientation should be a history of Marquette, including the basketball team.
Anyone who goes to Marquette for four years and does not know who Bo Ellis is does not deserve a diploma.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on February 03, 2020, 09:19:24 AM
Just talk to two female students workers this morning. They don't even know what a shot clock is. I was shocked to hear that. One even said I bet if you took a survey of the student section, you would be disappointed.
This is what MU gets for raising academic standards. Cracked sidewalks and all, hey?
Quote from: Jables1604 on February 02, 2020, 03:02:06 PM
Clearly the son he referenced earlier.
Clearly not....my son graduates after this guy. He also doesn't use Scoop.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 03, 2020, 09:51:12 AM
Clearly not....my son graduates after this guy. He also doesn't use Scoop.
Doesn't post or doesn't read?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 03, 2020, 09:58:19 AM
Doesn't post or doesn't read?
Sadly forums are not so popular with the kiddos. Though I don't doubt they stop by to read occasionally if there's news to be had. But of course, that news probably came from <insert today's most popular social media platform> anyway.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on February 03, 2020, 09:19:24 AM
Just talk to two female students workers this morning. They don't even know what a shot clock is. I was shocked to hear that. One even said I bet if you took a survey of the student section, you would be disappointed.
This is something I would put on the veterans of the Student Section. This is what cheer sheets and early season explanations are for. If the shot clock gets under 5 on offense, I would think the students should be calling that out. Hell, they were doing countdowns against DePaul both at the free throw line (weird, but okay) and counting them down early when the shot clock got under 10. Seems like a good idea to use it to help our offense as well as trying to throw off the opponents.
Quote from: Jables1604 on February 02, 2020, 04:26:36 PM
Now I'm 100% convinced this is Cheeks' kid.
Your anger at your dad not taking you to the Super Bowl should be directed elsewhere.
Could you be bigger douche bag arsehole? He has been taken to a number in his life, and if the Packers has shown up he would have gone this year.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 03, 2020, 09:58:19 AM
Doesn't post or doesn't read?
Both. Young people don't do message boards.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 03, 2020, 10:48:10 AM
Sadly forums are not so popular with the kiddos. Though I don't doubt they stop by to read occasionally if there's news to be had. But of course, that news probably came from <insert today's most popular social media platform> anyway.
But according to some, this board will singlehandedly be responsible for destroying the recruitment of Karim Mane
Quote from: mu03eng on February 03, 2020, 11:21:54 AM
But according to some, this board will singlehandedly be responsible for destroying the recruitment of Karim Mane
I think Rocky was talking about the Marquette students not reading message boards, but I feel pretty confident that most highly recruited student-athletes are going to look at the message boards of the schools they are considering. Fortunately, most other teams messages boards are also littered with clueless and angry posters.
Quote from: MU1980 on February 03, 2020, 11:31:58 AM
I think Rocky was talking about the Marquette students not reading message boards, but I feel pretty confident that most highly recruited student-athletes are going to look at the message boards of the schools they are considering. Fortunately, most other teams messages boards are also littered with clueless and angry posters.
I don't know that recruits will, but parents and handlers have been known to read and sometimes even post on boards like this.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 03, 2020, 11:40:06 AM
I don't know that recruits will, but parents and handlers have been known to read and sometimes even post on boards like this.
Parents and handlers no Matta aina??
Fire Wojo signs in dorm Windows no Matta aina??
Booing the head coach at games no Matta aina??
Trashing the coach and players on the teams message board no Matta aina??
And to think some people are bothered by others supporting the coach and players during a tough season, and continuing recruiting battles.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 03, 2020, 10:55:57 AM
Could you be bigger douche bag arsehole? He has been taken to a number in his life, and if the Packers has shown up he would have gone this year.
Snowflake
God Bless America.
Quote from: Jables1604 on February 03, 2020, 11:58:36 AM
Snowflake
God Bless America.
Reminds me last night when the Chiefs fans in the stands were doing the chop some of the 49ers fans started yelling racists. I caught it on video because it was so absurd.
Who knew Miami could have so many snowflakes.
GOD bless America, the bestest country on the planet and soon to be rulers of the galaxy and anyone that shall question her manifest destiny
Quote from: Jables1604 on February 03, 2020, 11:58:36 AM
Snowflake
God Bless America.
Couldnt be Chicos kid, you must have missed all the posts where chicos told the board how great his kid is. No seriously, chicos telling the entire board how great his kid is. Split personalities coupled with gargantuan insecurity issues. What a trip.