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[HutchwasClutch]

I stated the point, unfortunately I do not have the appropriate super powers to get you to understand the point.

Yes, no team has same situation as us. What a revelation and insight.

What you're failing or refusing to catch is this kind of goes without needing to be said and trotting out a litany of reasons with that point why we're different comes off as making excuses or whining or both.

[PGsHeroes32]

Yes, no team has same situation as us. What a revelation and insight.

What you're failing or refusing to catch is this kind of goes without needing to be said and trotting out a litany of reasons with that point why we're different comes off as making excuses or whining or both.

What you are failing or refusing to catch is that it was in fact stated that every team in the league has the same situation as us.

I really do not know how you are not grasping this. I didn't come out of nowhere with the statement..

[Elonsmusk]

So what started as a quiet group of 100 people booing Wojo when we started off 1-3 in the BE has grown to 1,000 fans boing Wojo as we've gone 5-1 in our last 6 BE games? MU fans are just the best.

Right around a top 30 KenPom team, right around a top 25 NET team, alone in 4th place in the 2nd best conference in America. Does it call for wild cheering? Not necessarily. Booing? What an embarrassment.

I agree. This is Wojo's best coaching job while at MU. As you know I was an early and very vocal NoJo from about game 6 of Wojo's tenure, but I felt ZERO compulsion to boo Wojo when he was introduced at Villanova game.

Think Wojo can get the monkey off his back if this team can finish strong down the stretch, win a game or two in Big East tournament and NCAA. Fail to win a game in either tourney?  There will be more NoJo's to a group that has been growing year over year.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

That's interesting, as my seats are up from the baseline end of MU bench, and it was loud and clear. They were the loudest boos yet, and when the Fire Wojo chant started, I was surprised. I'm not a Wojo fan, but to argue that he isn't doing all he can, along with the players, to win and improve MU b-ball is a non-starter.

He's paid over 2 million a year.  Stop playing the "trying" card.  My God, the enabling on here is absurd.  Nice to see the students holding Wojo accountable rather than the overweight alums who are too carbed up to care much.

[bilsu]

Can anyone recall another game where, aside from Markus, only 3 baskets from beyond point blank range were made in an entire game?    It was, to me, the most astounding thing about the game.   Truly won at the free throw line.

At half time we were 24% from three and DePaul was 30%. I thought we would need to shoot much better in second half to win. What happen we finished at just over 22%, so we got worse. DePaul went from over 30% to 20%. I guess you do not need to shoot good at the three, if the other team is also clunking it.

[Cheeks]

He's paid over 2 million a year.  Stop playing the "trying" card.  My God, the enabling on here is absurd.  Nice to see the students holding Wojo accountable rather than the overweight alums who are too carbed up to care much.

Yeah, the students are wise and so experienced with accountability, and especially dialed into the realities of college basketball coaching hires.  We should listen to them the most.  Has Greta weighed in yet?

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Attended the game yesterday. First in person this year. "Fans" booing Wojo in pregame is embarrassing.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

At half time we were 24% from three and DePaul was 30%. I thought we would need to shoot much better in second half to win. What happen we finished at just over 22%, so we got worse. DePaul went from over 30% to 20%. I guess you do not need to shoot good at the three, if the other team is also clunking it.

That's all you can do when you have no inside game whatsoever.  It's also a testament to how bad DePaul is on the offensive end.  If they can figure out how to run an offense, they're a tough team to beat.

[bilsu]

That's all you can do when you have no inside game whatsoever.  It's also a testament to how bad DePaul is on the offensive end.  If they can figure out how to run an offense, they're a tough team to beat.

I watched DePaul several times this year. They have been up in several games, but keep losing it at the end.
In our game and those games it seem to me DePaul starts taking poor shots. They just do not know how to win the games they had a good chance of winning with 5 minutes to go.

[Cheeks]

I watched DePaul several times this year. They have been up in several games, but keep losing it at the end.
In our game and those games it seem to me DePaul starts taking poor shots. They just do not know how to win the games they had a good chance of winning with 5 minutes to go.

Yes * a lot.  They have been up in the second half in probably 5 or more games this year where they let it go in the end.

[Dr. Blackheart]

At half time we were 24% from three and DePaul was 30%. I thought we would need to shoot much better in second half to win. What happen we finished at just over 22%, so we got worse. DePaul went from over 30% to 20%. I guess you do not need to shoot good at the three, if the other team is also clunking it.

Pomeroy efficiency-wise, yesterday was DePaul's third best offensive game in Big East play. It was also their third worst defensive game in conference.

MU won a game by grinding it out and taking it to the hoop and drawing fouls as exhibited in our 70% free throw rate. That high of a FTR has not been seen in a MU conference game since our game versus Georgetown in 2012.

Unlike past Wojo years, MU didn't have the line-up to win games this way. They have had multiple BE games where their FTR is a very 50% this season. This was one of the reasons I picked Jayce as SOTG as he adds value in ways not seen on a stat sheet (btw, Wojo also called out JJ post-game).

[21Jumpstreet]

He's paid over 2 million a year.  Stop playing the "trying" card.  My God, the enabling on here is absurd.  Nice to see the students holding Wojo accountable rather than the overweight alums who are too carbed up to care much.

Interesting response. I'm not saying he should be rewarded for trying, this is big time basketball. He absolutely should be held accountable. He may not be the right guy, but booing someone for coaching young men at a very high level is a non-starter. He may be at his peak, he may not. Booing our own strikes me as unproductive, lazy, ignorant, and generally unkind.

[Boozemon Barro]

Nah, the type to square up and make it official. What's good?

You're a pvssy. Hahaha

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Interesting response. I'm not saying he should be rewarded for trying, this is big time basketball. He absolutely should be held accountable. He may not be the right guy, but booing someone for coaching young men at a very high level is a non-starter. He may be at his peak, he may not. Booing our own strikes me as unproductive, lazy, ignorant, and generally unkind.

It's just a really bad look all around. What do you think recruits think when they hear that crap? Not saying Wojo does not deserve some heat and that he needs to win in March, but booing your own coach just makes the fan base look like a bunch of entitled jagoffs.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

It's just a really bad look all around. What do you think recruits think when they hear that crap? Not saying Wojo does not deserve some heat and that he needs to win in March, but booing your own coach just makes the fan base look like a bunch of entitled jagoffs.

Entitled?  Or pissed off at a coach who ran off the Hausers and lost 2 conference games due to a cascade of coaching issues?  The fanbase is tired of self inflicted wounds.

[CountryRoads]

It's just a really bad look all around. What do you think recruits think when they hear that crap? Not saying Wojo does not deserve some heat and that he needs to win in March, but booing your own coach just makes the fan base look like a bunch of entitled jagoffs.

It also just really shows a lack of awareness. After a tough start to conference play, MU is quietly putting together a really nice run. If the season and team were tanking with no recruits signed, I could understand lesser crowds and some boos. This program is trending in a positive direction on the court and in the recruiting world at this present moment, so it's very bizarre timing to boo the head coach.

The overall direction and success of the MU program under Wojo is a different and more complex debate. I highly doubt the "fans" who are booing are deeply thinking about this and weighing all of the pros and cons of having Wojo as the coach.

[Shooter McGavin]

It's just a really bad look all around. What do you think recruits think when they hear that crap? Not saying Wojo does not deserve some heat and that he needs to win in March, but booing your own coach just makes the fan base look like a bunch of entitled jagoffs.

I also think this would hurt recruiting another coach.  Like him or not an objective person outside the program would see the program on an upward trend with a great recruiting class coming in.  Wojo also has cache in the coaching world and with the media.  A perception that he is being booed while winning and going to NCAA tournaments and being pushed out by our administration would be a bad look.  I would think there would be some significant negative backlash in the coaching fraternity and in the college b-ball media.  We obviously would get several nibbles but I'm not sure they would be at the level of coaches this portion of booing fans would like.  We may end up going backwards.  I know many here get annoyed with Cheeks but he could be right when he says be careful what you wish for.

[fjm]

Yup, though there were several rows of empties on the west student side.

Anyone who is noticing those empty student seats and think "the students are not selling out..." or "students are not showing up".

Those people are clearly not going to the panorama club. The last 3 home games there has to be at least 100+ students in the panorama club at all times partying. 

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Yes * a lot.  They have been up in the second half in probably 5 or more games this year where they let it go in the end.

You are correct. I have watched a few of their games. They can't close out

[Cheeks]

Entitled?  Or pissed off at a coach who ran off the Hausers and lost 2 conference games due to a cascade of coaching issues?  The fanbase is tired of self inflicted wounds.

WE ARE BETTER RIGHT NOW WITHOUT THEM THAN WITH THEM.   Great shooters, defensive liabilities.  Get over yourself.  What cascade of coaching issues? 

[MU2020]

Not to continue to beat a dead horse, but thought I would provide a more "inside" perspective on students booing, as I am currently a student at Marquette.
I am not the average student/fan, as I have been invested in Marquette basketball for as long as I can remember. So I obviously care and pay attention a lot more than 99% of students.
As someone previously mentioned, the booing happens because it truly is a herd mentality. Similar to this board, there is a small, but vocal, minority of people on campus that are on the Fire Wojo train. They can easily pander to less informed students by pointing to things such as lack of tournament wins and of course, the Hausers leaving. Hell, in one of my classes during the first week when the "icebreakers" occur, one student used his turn as a time to inform everyone that Wojo should be fired. Fact of the matter is, most students don't care a whole lot about the success of Marquette basketball. I've tried to explain various things to my friends to both increase their interest and lay off Wojo, but they just don't care enough to even want to understand. Most people look at games as a drinking/party opportunity, which is fine. Unfortunately, disliking and booing Wojo has just become something that you're supposed to do for many students. They don't know why, and they don't know the impact that it has, but they will continue to do it anyways. It is very disappointing, because it truly is an awful look. But I'm afraid it won't change unless there is a significant success that grabs many student's attention. They don't care or understand how important things like road wins at Xavier or Georgetown are. The only thing that'll change that is something like a big east championship or a run to the second weekend of the tournament.

[Warrior Code]

Thanks for the insight, 2020. Hopefully the students come around as we stack up more victories.

[Cheeks]

Not to continue to beat a dead horse, but thought I would provide a more "inside" perspective on students booing, as I am currently a student at Marquette.
I am not the average student/fan, as I have been invested in Marquette basketball for as long as I can remember. So I obviously care and pay attention a lot more than 99% of students.
As someone previously mentioned, the booing happens because it truly is a herd mentality. Similar to this board, there is a small, but vocal, minority of people on campus that are on the Fire Wojo train. They can easily pander to less informed students by pointing to things such as lack of tournament wins and of course, the Hausers leaving. Hell, in one of my classes during the first week when the "icebreakers" occur, one student used his turn as a time to inform everyone that Wojo should be fired. Fact of the matter is, most students don't care a whole lot about the success of Marquette basketball. I've tried to explain various things to my friends to both increase their interest and lay off Wojo, but they just don't care enough to even want to understand. Most people look at games as a drinking/party opportunity, which is fine. Unfortunately, disliking and booing Wojo has just become something that you're supposed to do for many students. They don't know why, and they don't know the impact that it has, but they will continue to do it anyways. It is very disappointing, because it truly is an awful look. But I'm afraid it won't change unless there is a significant success that grabs many student's attention. They don't care or understand how important things like road wins at Xavier or Georgetown are. The only thing that'll change that is something like a big east championship or a run to the second weekend of the tournament.

Yup, pretty much what I heard from several students.  Herd mentality is right.

He just has to continue winning over hearts and minds.  I'm convinced some fans simply want to start over every 6 years.  Masochists.


Sitting on a bus in Miami....time to burn

[Jay Bee]

You have some good basketball insights and player evaluation skills. However, your FTs No Matta schtick is stupid. A strong FT Rate with a crap tastic FT shooting percentage ain't going to help you win many ballgames.

Eat D...solid middle school level trash talk. You can do better.

A great team FT% won't make your offense good. Come to reality

[connie]

The booing is also pretty stupid because the optics on that to recruits is terrible, and it would be hard not to get somewhat resentful if you are Wojo given the time,  energy and stress the coaches deal with.  It could certainly be a factor if other opportunities arise for him at some point. For the students booing, the reality is if they get what they apparently wish for, they are pretty much assured to have a significant drop in the quality of the team during their short window at the school due to losing recruiting classes and potentially current players. Yes, there are exceptions, but that is more often the case.

I am not firmly projo or nojo, but there is enough momentum in the program that I want to see this play out a bit more given the current and incoming talent. Booing the head coach of a team that is doing pretty well this season and indisputably has heart and plays hard is really stupid to me. People don't have to love the guy, and I get the arguments beaten to death here about the lowered expectations, investment in the program and five years is enough. People can write letters to the AD or even Wojo  to express their displeasure. I have no issue with that. To me, the public display of booing the coach at games is counter-productive to what a fan of the program should be rooting for. It can't feel good for the coach or team, and certainly doesn't look good to recruits, parents of recruits, prospective coaches, media and other observers. Certainly not classy either. No problem if people choose not to cheer him, but booing is in no way going to help the program and under the circumstances reflects poorly on the fan base even though it is a minority of the crowd booing. It's not like we are 5-16.

Well said.