1. WHAT?!?!?! A top 10 team can lose a conference road game?!?!?!? FIRE WRIGHT!!!!
2. No, seriously, some of you guys are idiots and cheapen the Marquette diploma. Teams lose conference road games. Wojo isn't getting fired. Grow the F up.
3. That first half is what I had been picturing as what this team would look like.
4. A seven minute scoring drought. And still having a lead. Great rebounding. Held off the inevitable run through solid team defense.
5. This is what Wojo screams about when he pleads for more effort. Must find a way to bring this intensity and effort on the road in conference
6. Theo looked like THE MAN we all have been expecting this season.
7. He is much improved, but I still flinch every time Cain does anything other than shoot the open 3, or take two dribbles with a pull up. Every time he dribbles in space, every time he tries to feed the post..... eewwww.
8. I don't like Markus setting picks. He is small, gets beat up, and picks up fouls because he isn't used to it.
9. I was amused to hear the announcers talk about player development in Bailey, John, Sacar. Must not read scoop. Gillespie is another example of how players sometimes get better over time.
10. 1-1 in conference. Held (Fi) serve at home over the #10 team on the country. Breathe. Like Wojo told his team with 33 seconds left.
unnatural carnal knowledge you MikeDeanesDarkGlasses
Quote from: tower912 on January 04, 2020, 03:10:21 PM
2. No, seriously, some of you guys are idiots and cheapen the Marquette diploma. Teams lose conference road games. Wojo isn't getting fired. Grow the F up.
This should be #1 on your list after every game.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 04, 2020, 03:13:20 PM
unnatural carnal knowledge you MikeDeanesDarkGlasses
Been holding that one in, eh? ;D
Where are all the massive dipsh*ts?
Loved the game plan on both sides of the ball. Defensive rotations were damn near immaculate. Awesome effort and awesome job of playing physical defense without fouling.
Loved coming out with Markus on the ball. In my opinion, he has to work much, much harder to get free off the ball than he does if he's on the ball. Like Koby on the ball when he's out (as long as he's being aggressive...his misses and travels come when he's tentative), but when Markus is in he should be on the ball almost all the time.
The highs have been higher and the lows have been lower, but this is how I expected Koby's season to go. Transfers typically take the non-con season to settle into their role. By early conference play we should start seeing better play, and hopefully by mid conference play we have consistent good play from him.
Providence game starts now. Biggest game of the season.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 04, 2020, 03:16:53 PM
Where are all the massive dipsh*ts?
They'll be back after the next loss. They'd rather revel in "being right" than enjoying a fun win.
Awful half offensively no one can ever argue that. But the D never folded.
First half was a thing of beauty all around. Got to the rim, made free throws and moved the ball.
Poor 3 pt shooting day(even half 1 wasnt anything great at 3/9) but we won by 11.
4. A seven minute scoring drought. And still having a lead. Great rebounding. Held off the inevitable run through solid team defense.
Never in doubt. Great composure.
I wonder if the Villanova administration has scheduled any interviews for their next coach yet? Obviously, Wright was shown to not belong at this level of college basketball
Great win to hold serve at home. Win at home and steal a few on the road all is good
Read your first couple of comments tomorrow and you may want to reconsider them.
Great win. Team played one fantastic half and one meh half, but it was enough. Still don't think Villanova will end the year a ranked team, but they were today.
Winning should not be such a relief, but after the toxicity and negativity from a number of (or possibly a few posing as many) posters this week, this is one of the more satisfying wins in the Wojo era.
This was not a must-win, but the team looked prepared and executed well in a nationally televised game that had that must-win feeling.
Wojo signaling for everyone to breathe might as well have been to our entire fan base. Enjoy our team, enjoy our program. Stop treating individual games as life and death. This is a good team.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 04, 2020, 03:28:01 PM
Great win. Team played one fantastic half and one meh half, but it was enough. Still don't think Villanova will end the year a ranked team, but they were today.
Disagreed on Nova. They're very young, they were on the road early in conference play. They're very well coached, but like a lot of young teams they turned the ball over a lot on the road today. I think they win the Big East (though in a very crowded top of the BE).
Glad to see Koby have a big game. I am happy for the kid.
Excellent win for the team. I enjoyed the game. Kids did a great job. Coaches showed faith in Koby and it paid off.
Quote from: manesworld on January 04, 2020, 03:17:20 PM
Loved the game plan on both sides of the ball. Defensive rotations were damn near immaculate. Awesome effort and awesome job of playing physical defense without fouling.
Loved coming out with Markus on the ball. In my opinion, he has to work much, much harder to get free off the ball than he does if he's on the ball. Like Koby on the ball when he's out (as long as he's being aggressive...his misses and travels come when he's tentative), but when Markus is in he should be on the ball almost all the time.
The highs have been higher and the lows have been lower, but this is how I expected Koby's season to go. Transfers typically take the non-con season to settle into their role. By early conference play we should start seeing better play, and hopefully by mid conference play we have consistent good play from him.
Providence game starts now. Biggest game of the season.
The defensive rotations were flawless. Our D was great today. Theo was great. Can't quite understand how we looked so bad at Creighton and so good today. Creighton does have talented guards, yet it was night and day how we played these last two games.
A nice 500 dollars to it orange county childrens.
Some ammo for the oWojo's to have for the rest of the year.
And let's hope Koby got rid of the demons - we'll need him.
Within the span of a week we saw MU's floor and ceiling. Hopefully we can steal a few when we play somewhere in the middle. Nice win today. Nova looked overmatched on both ends.
Finally, a good win this year. Its so frustrating because a lot of us know what this team is capable of, so when a game like CU happens its even worse. Hope today can be used as a blueprint. Its fine even when Markus takes 12 threes in a game and makes a handful.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 04, 2020, 03:51:00 PM
The defensive rotations were flawless. Our D was great today. Theo was great. Can't quite understand how we looked so bad at Creighton and so good today. Creighton does have talented guards, yet it was night and day how we played these last two games.
Nova let him sit in the paint most of the day.
Nova had tall guys but right now they don't do much but hang around outside. If JRE actually made it a point to try attack it woulda forced Theo to be on him a lot more.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on January 04, 2020, 04:00:50 PM
Within the span of a week we saw MU's floor and ceiling. Hopefully we can steal a few when we play somewhere in the middle. Nice win today. Nova looked overmatched on both ends.
Well said.
The Pro-Jo's told us you can't judge a season on one win, so I won't. BUT it's nice to beat a Top Ten team in that manner. Let's keep it rolling vs. The Friar.
1.Great defensive effort.
2. Happy for Kobe.
3. Both teams took (and mostly missed) a lot of bad shots. Some way too early in the shot clock.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 04, 2020, 03:18:13 PM
They'll be back after the next loss. They'd rather revel in "being right" than enjoying a fun win.
I guess I am one of the dipsh!ts since I don't like the job Wojo is doing.
In my opinion, the first half effort we saw today SHOULD BE THE NORM, not something that is especially noteworthy. Especially on defense, which is 100% about effort. Other coaches get far more consistent effort and intensity, so it's possible.
The fact that Wojo cannot get this level of effort on a remotely consistent basis is what has driven most of us to dipsh!t-dom.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 04, 2020, 04:37:15 PM
Other coaches get far more consistent effort and intensity, so it's possible.
Given the results of the past 2 games of nearly every NCAA basketball team, I'm having a hard time coming up with the names of those coaches. Could you help me identify them?
Anyone know why no Jayce today?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 04, 2020, 03:18:13 PM
They'll be back after the next loss. They'd rather revel in "being right" than enjoying a fun win.
I'm loving today's win. Especially happy for McEwen who I was as down on as any player I can remember.
Do I believe they've turned a corner? No. But I hope am wrong.
Loved your entire post, tower. As frustrating as our Warriors can be sometimes, Scoop can be twice as frustrating.
Loved Theo today. Those who don't think he is a high-major center didn't watch this game or about half our games last season. When he isn't in foul trouble, he is often a game-changer. For those who flat-out think he "sucks," I question if they know a single thing about basketball.
Very happy for McEwen, and I'm hoping this is the start of a nice string of games. As Wojo-hater 9-9-9 said, a game like this was a direct result of the coach not panicking and giving up on an athlete.
Liked what I saw of Elliott and Bailey today. Played some nice D and didn't force O.
Two huge buckets down the stretch by Sacar when we desperately needed somebody to step up.
Won without hitting a ton of 3s. It's easy to win when everything's falling. That was a gut-check win.
Excellent defensive game plan, executed well.
Lastly, I feel badly for all the Scoopers who were rooting against Wojo today, betting against the team, etc. Maybe next time!
Quote from: MUEng92 on January 04, 2020, 03:21:55 PM
I wonder if the Villanova administration has scheduled any interviews for their next coach yet? Obviously, Wright was shown to not belong at this level of college basketball
After Wojo wins two national titles, I'll gladly cut him enormous slack to. Apples and oranges
Great win today. Effort and defense was MUCH better. This is what I had pictured Kobe would be all year. If MU gets THAT Kobe the rest of the year(and Theo), they will be incredibly tough to beat.
I will say one thing though...it gets a little nauseating hearing people talk about how hard it is to win on the road, as if that should be an excuse or something. It isn't. Is it harder?? In some cases yes, but there have been PLENTY of high major teams that have won on the road this year. Heck, just this week, we had Wisconsin beating Ohio St, Butler winning AT SJU, Georgia won today AT Memphis. Florida State won AT Louisville. Oh yeah, and DePaul is now 0-2 AT HOME. So winning on the road is harder then winning at home, but losing a road game should NEVER be an excuse for a loss, ESPECIALLY if your talent is equal or better then the team you are playing. Just find a way.
Again, great win today, I hope Mane enjoyed it...get Providence Tuesday night.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 04, 2020, 04:37:15 PM
I guess I am one of the dipsh!ts since I don't like the job Wojo is doing.
In my opinion, the first half effort we saw today SHOULD BE THE NORM, not something that is especially noteworthy. Especially on defense, which is 100% about effort. Other coaches get far more consistent effort and intensity, so it's possible.
The fact that Wojo cannot get this level of effort on a remotely consistent basis is what has driven most of us to dipsh!t-dom.
Yes, a 17 point lead in the first half against a very good team should be the norm.
::)
Really don't think effort was the issue Wednesday.
Blue Jersey-Natl TV curses aren't MU exclusive!
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 04, 2020, 03:54:04 PM
And let's hope Koby got rid of the demons - we'll need him.
We absolutely do need him. If he can right himself, season may have hope. He needs to string some games like this together now. He's done almost nothing except Purdue second half until today. Good for him
Quote from: muguru on January 04, 2020, 04:45:37 PM
Great win today. Effort and defense was MUCH better. This is what I had pictured Kobe would be all year. If MU gets THAT Kobe the rest of the year(and Theo), they will be incredibly tough to beat.
I will say one thing though...it gets a little nauseating hearing people talk about how hard it is to win on the road, as if that should be an excuse or something. It isn't. Is it harder?? In some cases yes, but there have been PLENTY of high major teams that have won on the road this year. Heck, just this week, we had Wisconsin beating Ohio St, Butler winning AT SJU, Georgia won today AT Memphis. Oh yeah, and DePaul is now 0-2 AT HOME. So winning on the road is harder then winning at home, but losing a road game should NEVER be an excuse for a loss, ESPECIALLY if your talent is equal or better then the team you are playing. Just find a way.
Again, great win today, I hope Mane enjoyed it...get Providence Tuesday night.
Aside from you having trouble understanding the difficulty of winning on the road, you also don't know how to spell our starting guard's name.
Quote from: muguru on January 04, 2020, 04:45:37 PM
Great win today. Effort and defense was MUCH better. This is what I had pictured Kobe would be all year. If MU gets THAT Kobe the rest of the year(and Theo), they will be incredibly tough to beat.
I will say one thing though...it gets a little nauseating hearing people talk about how hard it is to win on the road, as if that should be an excuse or something. It isn't. Is it harder?? In some cases yes, but there have been PLENTY of high major teams that have won on the road this year. Heck, just this week, we had Wisconsin beating Ohio St, Butler winning AT SJU, Georgia won today AT Memphis. Florida State won AT Louisville. Oh yeah, and DePaul is now 0-2 AT HOME. So winning on the road is harder then winning at home, but losing a road game should NEVER be an excuse for a loss, ESPECIALLY if your talent is equal or better then the team you are playing. Just find a way.
Again, great win today, I hope Mane enjoyed it...get Providence Tuesday night.
Now go ahead and post the home and road records of teams in the power conferences. Posting a handful of examples doesn't prove anything.
Quote from: tower912 on January 04, 2020, 03:10:21 PM
8. I don't like Markus setting picks. He is small, gets beat up, and picks up fouls because he isn't used to it.
McEwen wasn't patient to let him set the screen first, nothing to do with him not being used to it. Koby was making his move well before Howard could screen the guy
Quote from: MU82 on January 04, 2020, 04:52:21 PM
Aside from you having trouble understanding the difficulty of winning on the road, you also don't know how to spell our starting guard's name.
Tell me Mr Wise one, how difficult is it to win on the road?? I just gave you SEVERAL Examples of teams that did it just this week. There are PLENTY more I can give you if you need them. That's all you got?? You better bring it better then that. How come you didn't comment on the teams that won ON THE ROAD just this week, including two of them today over RANKED teams?? Because you can't...I made my point. It is NOT an EXCUSE...EVER. What it is for fans is a flat out cop out. Period. Have a good night. :)
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 04, 2020, 04:46:18 PM
Yes, a 17 point lead in the first half against a very good team should be the norm.
::)
Really don't think effort was the issue Wednesday.
Even Wojo pointed to a poor effort against the Jays.
Loved the defensive intensity.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 04, 2020, 04:45:18 PM
After Wojo wins two national titles, I'll gladly cut him enormous slack to. Apples and oranges
My post was obviously tongue in cheek. I respect him more than any other coach in basketball. But, he's a hall of fame coach and his team can give up 46 points in a half, to a lesser team. Based on what I've read recently it is ALL his fault because his team didn't give the required effort.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 04, 2020, 04:32:45 PM
3. Both teams took (and mostly missed) a lot of bad shots. Some way too early in the shot clock.
FTFY.
Thought the shot selection was mostly fine, at least by college standards. Just a lot of missed shots.
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 04, 2020, 05:01:27 PM
Even Wojo pointed to a poor effort against the Jays.
Loved the defensive intensity.
What else is he going to point to?
Did he say it was "a poor effort" or his players didn't put full effort forth? Different things.
Quote from: MUEng92 on January 04, 2020, 05:01:41 PM
My post was obviously tongue in cheek. I respect him more than any other coach in basketball. But, he's a hall of fame coach and his team can give up 46 points in a half, to a lesser team. Based on what I've read recently it is ALL his fault because his team didn't give the required effort.
I'm well aware your post was tongue in cheek. It's more accurately sarcasm aimed at those of us who dare to be down on Wojo
Quote from: Pakuni on January 04, 2020, 05:02:49 PM
FTFY.
Thought the shot selection was mostly fine, at least by college standards. Just a lot of missed shots.
Agree with this. Just got cold. Good teams clamp down and ride out the storm. We did that today.
On the other side, I hope Koby pockets this first half in his memory bank. After an ugly 3 attempt, he looked like the player we were all expecting.
Quote from: muguru on January 04, 2020, 05:00:21 PM
Tell me Mr Wise one, how difficult is it to win on the road?? I just gave you SEVERAL Examples of teams that did it just this week. There are PLENTY more I can give you if you need them. That's all you got?? You better bring it better then that. How come you didn't comment on the teams that won ON THE ROAD just this week, including two of them today over RANKED teams?? Because you can't...I made my point. It is NOT an EXCUSE...EVER. What it is for fans is a flat out cop out. Period. Have a good night. :)
Fart noises
Great team win. I was very surprised, but definitely enjoying the victory. They should poise and played nice D today. In addition, my feeling on Theo are well noted, but have to say he played very well today.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 04, 2020, 04:43:02 PM
Given the results of the past 2 games of nearly every NCAA basketball team, I'm having a hard time coming up with the names of those coaches. Could you help me identify them?
Rocky, are you really telling me that 2 recent games are indicative of the long-term success of a number of coaches who well established track records of getting the most out of their teams?
Jay Wright is one of them. Buzz is another. Dick Bennett did it for decades. Nate Oates at Alabama looks like he could make the list after what he did at Buffalo. Bob Huggins they most of his career (and it hurt a lot to type that but it's true, imo).
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 04, 2020, 05:32:30 PM
Fart noises
:) Love it...you got nothing to dispute it either.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 04, 2020, 05:09:55 PM
What else is he going to point to?
Did he say it was "a poor effort" or his players didn't put full effort forth? Different things.
If it wasn't about effort, then it was coaching on Wednesday.
Both bad alternatives.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 04, 2020, 05:40:13 PM
If it wasn't about effort, then it was coaching on Wednesday.
Both bad alternatives.
Or a bit of coaching, a bit of effort (2nd half) and a bit of being outplayed by a good team on the road. Doesn't have to be just one thing.
Villanova coach Jay Wright said Marquette guard Markus Howard.
''He's just in total control out there,'' Wright said of the 5-foot-11 guard. ''Even defensively, he's so smart. He uses his body well. Offensively, he's always under control. He's never off-balance. He's got an incredible basketball IQ. He's got great confidence. You just see each of those areas get better and better. Now, as a senior, you can just see he's just out there like, `I'm playing with a bunch of kids.' And against us, he is. That's what it looked like.''
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on January 04, 2020, 05:45:34 PM
Villanova coach Jay Wright said Marquette guard Markus Howard.
''He's just in total control out there,'' Wright said of the 5-foot-11 guard. ''Even defensively, he's so smart. He uses his body well. Offensively, he's always under control. He's never off-balance. He's got an incredible basketball IQ. He's got great confidence. You just see each of those areas get better and better. Now, as a senior, you can just see he's just out there like, `I'm playing with a bunch of kids.' And against us, he is. That's what it looked like.''
Did Jay just bring up his team's youth? Uh oh! Hope NovaScoop didn't see it! If so, DUCK JAY!
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 04, 2020, 05:36:10 PM
Rocky, are you really telling me that 2 recent games are indicative of the long-term success of a number of coaches who well established track records of getting the most out of their teams?
No. I'm replying to the state of basketball this year, and your apparent angst that Marquette has been inconsistent between the last two games. Perhaps you could name a couple coaches that have taught their team to be consistent this year. Just a couple examples would be great.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on January 04, 2020, 05:45:34 PM
Villanova coach Jay Wright said Marquette guard Markus Howard.
''He's just in total control out there,'' Wright said of the 5-foot-11 guard. ''Even defensively, he's so smart. He uses his body well. Offensively, he's always under control. He's never off-balance. He's got an incredible basketball IQ. He's got great confidence. You just see each of those areas get better and better. Now, as a senior, you can just see he's just out there like, `I'm playing with a bunch of kids.' And against us, he is. That's what it looked like.''
Today's win reminded me a lot of our victory over Nova in 2017. Nova didn't seem to have much of a game plan, and they never really adjusted when it was obvious that everyone but Swider was ice cold. They just kept jacking up threes, and not only were they missing, but they were missing open shots badly. MU was also able to block a lot of shots without fouling. In total, I think Nova maybe only shot 5 free throws.
On the defensive end, they didn't have anyone who could stay with Howard. Putting a bigger guy on him didn't work, and watching Gillespie try to guard him was like watching Greg Paulus try to guard DJ. Markus made him look like a statue. It'll be interesting to see how they adjust in Philly.
In short, even the AP's Coach of the Decade is capable of looking human at times. Though in those suits, his "human" looks better than most!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 04, 2020, 05:48:46 PM
No. I'm replying to the state of basketball this year, and your apparent angst that Marquee has been inconsistent between the last two games. Perhaps you could name a couple coaches that have taught their team to be consistent this year. Just a couple examples would be great.
Do you know the difference between weather and climate?
One is a short term set of transitory conditions. Like the weird 50 degree December day in Wisconsin. The other is the long run overriding set of conditions that are most prevalent. Like it being cold in December in Wisconsin.
Your asking me to prove the latter by giving examples of the former. The state of basketball this year is completely irrelevant to my point that there are coaches with long term track records of highly motivated, consistent teams.
Great win. Our two best victories have been Koby's two best games, so maybe he's the secret sauce.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 04, 2020, 05:57:11 PM
The state of basketball this year is completely irrelevant to my point that there are coaches with long term track records of highly motivated, consistent teams.
I'll take that as an admission that you can't find any examples of consistent teams this year, and you'd rather point out that (obviously) longer tenured coaches have a better history than wojo. Thanks Einstein.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 04, 2020, 06:00:33 PM
I'll take that as an admission that you can't find any examples of consistent teams this year, and you'd rather point out that (obviously) longer tenured coaches have a better history than wojo. Thanks Einstein.
I wasn't talking about this year as it relates to Wojo. I am talking about the entirely of his tenure as coach. His teams have been wildly inconsistent as has the effort of his teams.
This can happen to ANY coach from game to game but over time, good coaches do not allow this to happen. And it does not happen to those teams.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 04, 2020, 06:07:11 PM
I wasn't talking about this year as it relates to Wojo. I am talking about the entirely of his tenure as coach. His teams have been wildly inconsistent as has the effort of his teams.
This can happen to ANY coach from game to game but over time, good coaches do not allow this to happen. And it does not happen to those teams.
Wut.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 04, 2020, 06:07:11 PM
This can happen to ANY coach from game to game but over time, good coaches do not allow this to happen. And it does not happen to those teams.
Seriously, how much college basketball do you watch?
Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 04, 2020, 06:10:32 PM
Wut.
Any. Team. Can. Have. An. Off. Game. Despite. This. Good. Coaches. Get. Max. Effort. And. Consistency. Over. Time.
Wojo. Hasn't. Shown. Ability. To. Do. This. For. Five. Years.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 04, 2020, 06:13:31 PM
Any. Team. Can. Have. An. Off. Game. Despite. This. Good. Coaches. Get. Max. Effort. And. Consistency. Over. Time.
Wojo. Hasn't. Shown. Ability. To. Do. This. For. Five. Years.
It is becoming very clear that you do not watch much college basketball.
Quote from: tower912 on January 04, 2020, 06:13:22 PM
Seriously, how much college basketball do you watch?
Are you telling me that you disagree with my belief that great coaches can have games where their team doesn't play well or where the team has a crap effort day? Are you further disagreeing with me that these coaches correct it so it doesn't become a pattern?
If that is your contention, please say it. I have played, coached and watched plenty of basketball, enough to know coaches who get max effort consistently and those like Wojo.
Quote from: tower912 on January 04, 2020, 03:10:21 PM
1. WHAT?!?!?! A top 10 team can lose a conference road game?!?!?!? FIRE WRIGHT!!!!
2. No, seriously, some of you guys are idiots and cheapen the Marquette diploma. Teams lose conference road games. Wojo isn't getting fired. Grow the F up.
3. That first half is what I had been picturing as what this team would look like.
4. A seven minute scoring drought. And still having a lead. Great rebounding. Held off the inevitable run through solid team defense.
5. This is what Wojo screams about when he pleads for more effort. Must find a way to bring this intensity and effort on the road in conference
6. Theo looked like THE MAN we all have been expecting this season.
7. He is much improved, but I still flinch every time Cain does anything other than shoot the open 3, or take two dribbles with a pull up. Every time he dribbles in space, every time he tries to feed the post..... eewwww.
8. I don't like Markus setting picks. He is small, gets beat up, and picks up fouls because he isn't used to it.
9. I was amused to hear the announcers talk about player development in Bailey, John, Sacar. Must not read scoop. Gillespie is another example of how players sometimes get better over time.
10. 1-1 in conference. Held (Fi) serve at home over the #10 team on the country. Breathe. Like Wojo told his team with 33 seconds left.
1: No teal required.
2: A bit harsh but I agree.
3: That was about as good as the team can play. Don't expect every game to start like that. It was nice though.
4: That was about as bad as the team can play on offense. Unacceptable even though great D maintained the lead.
5: Agreed. That's on the coaches and captains.
6: Other guys staying in front of their man allowed Theo to do his thing. He handled his assignment. Still limited offensively. Is the wrist an issue? Should have dunked but missed a bunny instead during the second half drought.
7: Wojo needs to continue to teach him to harness that energy. Unbridled energy is dangerous
8: Disagree. Marcus needs to be a complete player, including setting screens. Koby was at least partially to blame for that foul on the screen.
9: In fairness to other posters, there have been times where it seems like guys are regressing(see Creighton game ). I do believe they are trending upward however. Time will tell.
10: I always hold my breath before and during the games. I only breathe after games, cheering a win and cursing a loss. Today I'm cheering.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 04, 2020, 06:00:33 PM
I'll take that as an admission that you can't find any examples of consistent teams this year, and you'd rather point out that (obviously) longer tenured coaches have a better history than wojo. Thanks Einstein.
I mean, I don't have a dog in this fight but Gonzaga has been awfully consistent, and so has Auburn(since they are undefeated). That's just a couple of examples.
Quote from: Class71 on January 04, 2020, 03:25:34 PM
Read your first couple of comments tomorrow and you may want to reconsider them.
He should double down on them, and they should be pegged to the top of this board
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 04, 2020, 06:34:28 PM
1: No teal required.
2: A bit harsh but I agree.
3: That was about as good as the team can play. Don't expect every game to start like that. It was nice though.
4: That was about as bad as the team can play on offense. Unacceptable even though great D maintained the lead.
5: Agreed. That's on the coaches and captains.
6: Other guys staying in front of their man allowed Theo to do his thing. He handled his assignment. Still limited offensively. Is the wrist an issue? Should have dunked but missed a bunny instead during the second half drought.
7: Wojo needs to continue to teach him to harness that energy. Unbridled energy is dangerous
8: Disagree. Marcus needs to be a complete player, including setting screens. Koby was at least partially to blame for that foul on the screen.
9: In fairness to other posters, there have been times where it seems like guys are regressing(see Creighton game ). I do believe they are trending upward however. Time will tell.
10: I always hold my breath before and during the games. I only breathe after games, cheering a win and cursing a loss. Today I'm cheering.
Yes, he considered red shirting this year because of it, but decided to play through it.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 04, 2020, 06:07:11 PM
I wasn't talking about this year as it relates to Wojo. I am talking about the entirely of his tenure as coach. His teams have been wildly inconsistent as has the effort of his teams.
This can happen to ANY coach from game to game but over time, good coaches do not allow this to happen. And it does not happen to those teams.
You mean good coaches only get blown out once? What's you're ridiculous criteria?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 04, 2020, 06:46:38 PM
You mean good coaches only get blown out once? What's you're ridiculous criteria?
Where did I say that?
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on January 04, 2020, 06:00:03 PM
Great win. Our two best victories have been Koby's two best games, so maybe he's the secret sauce.
Interesting observation and seems accurate. He probably is our X factor.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 04, 2020, 06:07:11 PM
I wasn't talking about this year as it relates to Wojo. I am talking about the entirely of his tenure as coach. His teams have been wildly inconsistent as has the effort of his teams.
This can happen to ANY coach from game to game but over time, good coaches do not allow this to happen. And it does not happen to those teams.
Tough day for you today....relax, you will get another chance to complain as we will lose more games.
Quote from: muguru on January 04, 2020, 05:00:21 PM
Tell me Mr Wise one, how difficult is it to win on the road?? I just gave you SEVERAL Examples of teams that did it just this week. There are PLENTY more I can give you if you need them. That's all you got?? You better bring it better then that. How come you didn't comment on the teams that won ON THE ROAD just this week, including two of them today over RANKED teams?? Because you can't...I made my point. It is NOT an EXCUSE...EVER. What it is for fans is a flat out cop out. Period. Have a good night. :)
You will always be able to find some examples.
Big East road teams are are 3-6 on the road. Two of the road wins are over DePaul, the other road win is Butler by 2 point over St John's.
I suspect you will see this trend continue all year long in this league.
Look for Nova to fall at Creighton this week.
Quote from: muguru on January 04, 2020, 06:42:17 PM
I mean, I don't have a dog in this fight but Gonzaga has been awfully consistent, and so has Auburn(since they are undefeated). That's just a couple of examples.
2 out of 353....ok.
I'd expand it to maybe another 5 or 6 teams including SDSU....but just last week OSU was supposed to be the best team in the country and they are licking wounds. Kansas. Duke. Michigan State. Maryland. Baylor. Arizona...lost to St John's. I could go on for hours. But yes, every year you can identify some and in some years there will even be dominant teams, not the case this year...no dominant teams.
Quote from: muguru on January 04, 2020, 05:00:21 PM
Tell me Mr Wise one, how difficult is it to win on the road?? I just gave you SEVERAL Examples of teams that did it just this week. There are PLENTY more I can give you if you need them. That's all you got?? You better bring it better then that. How come you didn't comment on the teams that won ON THE ROAD just this week, including two of them today over RANKED teams?? Because you can't...I made my point. It is NOT an EXCUSE...EVER. What it is for fans is a flat out cop out. Period. Have a good night. :)
Of course teams can win on the road. As MU did at K-State this season, at Butler, X, Providence and Creighton last season, etc.
But only you would claim that we should win every road game, regardless of the quality of an opponent.
It's not an excuse, it's a fact that it's not easy to win on the road, one that has been confirmed year after year after year.
I could give you SEVERAL examples of great teams -- teams ranked No. 1 in the nation -- that have lost on the road already this season. Oh, and No. 1 and defending NCAA champion Nova lost at MU in '17.
So? What does that any of that "prove"?
And it's Koby. He's a starter on your supposedly favorite team. Learn how to spell his name.
Quote from: Cheeks on January 04, 2020, 07:26:13 PM
Tough day for you today....relax, you will get another chance to complain as we will lose more games.
Cheeks, if the team is prepared for the opponent, is put in a position to win by the coaching staff, and gives 100% effort, losses still happen. It's a fact and something we all accept.
What has me, and others, bothered is that too often at least one of the things I mentioned above is missing. And it has happened a lot over the last few years. Wojo gets a pass on the first two years for reasons we all know but since then, with the talent he has recruited, the reasons why this team is missing something has less to do with players and more with coaches.
This is a talented group of young men who deserve to enjoy the success that they are capable of achieving. I (and others here) simply have little confidence Wojo can (or is willing to do) the things needed so these men can achieve that success.
As I have said many times, I hope I am wrong. I will be the first to admit it if Wojo succeeds consistently. I love big wins, like this one, I just think our program, with this talent, is capable of making today's win the "norm" on a far more regular basis.
Quote from: MU82 on January 04, 2020, 07:40:11 PM
Of course teams can win on the road. As MU did at K-State this season, at Butler, X, Providence and Creighton last season, etc.
But only you would claim that we should win every road game, regardless of the quality of an opponent.
It's not an excuse, it's a fact that it's not easy to win on the road, one that has been confirmed year after year after year.
I could give you SEVERAL examples of great teams -- teams ranked No. 1 in the nation -- that have lost on the road already this season. Oh, and No. 1 and defending NCAA champion Nova lost at MU in '17.
So? What does that any of that "prove"?
And it's Koby. He's a starter on your supposedly favorite team. Learn how to spell his name.
Alright, now you are just being a bold faced liar...but that's what journalists are known for so not surprised. Find ONE single example, ONE of where I have EVER said MU should win EVERY single road game...Nothing like lying your ass off to try to make a point. FAIL.
I EXPECT MU to lose road games, every team does it. But I will tell you what I have stated MANY times over..Losing home games is Unacceptable, especially as many as MU has under Wojo. If you can't take care of business at home, you end up not being as successful as what probably everyone thinks you should be. EVERY single Coach in America will tell you the ABSOLUTE most important thing to do is defend your home court. As many coaches have stated, the formula is: Take care of business at home, steal a road win or two and you're in great shape.
While I understand losing games on the road, I do NOT understand getting your door blown off and showing terrible effort, against a team that is NOT much more talented than you, if at all. That isn't specific to the Creighton game, that's any game.
I will accept your apology for lying.
I know it's Koby, you have never had a typo Mr Journalist?? I suppose not, you have editors etc.
Quote from: muguru on January 04, 2020, 07:50:28 PM
Alright, now you are just being a bold faced liar...but that's what journalists are known for so not surprised. Find ONE single example, ONE of where I have EVER said MU should win EVERY single road game...Nothing like lying your ass off to try to make a point. FAIL.
I EXPECT MU to lose road games, every team does it. But I will tell you what I have stated MANY times over..Losing home games is Unacceptable, especially as many as MU has under Wojo. If you can't take care of business at home, you end up not being as successful as what probably everyone thinks you should be. EVERY single Coach in America will tell you the ABSOLUTE most important thing to do is defend your home court. As many coaches have stated, the formula is: Take care of business at home, steal a road win or two and you're in great shape.
While I understand losing games on the road, I do NOT understand getting your door blown off and showing terrible effort, against a team that is NOT much more talented than you, if at all. That isn't specific to the Creighton game, that's any game.
I will accept your apology for lying.
I know it's Koby, you have never had a typo Mr Journalist?? I suppose not, you have editors etc.
Dribble.
We Are Marquette!
I think you meant 'drivel.'
Quote from: muguru on January 04, 2020, 07:50:28 PM
Alright, now you are just being a bold faced liar...but that's what journalists are known for so not surprised. Find ONE single example, ONE of where I have EVER said MU should win EVERY single road game...Nothing like lying your ass off to try to make a point. FAIL.
I EXPECT MU to lose road games, every team does it. But I will tell you what I have stated MANY times over..Losing home games is Unacceptable, especially as many as MU has under Wojo. If you can't take care of business at home, you end up not being as successful as what probably everyone thinks you should be. EVERY single Coach in America will tell you the ABSOLUTE most important thing to do is defend your home court. As many coaches have stated, the formula is: Take care of business at home, steal a road win or two and you're in great shape.
While I understand losing games on the road, I do NOT understand getting your door blown off and showing terrible effort, against a team that is NOT much more talented than you, if at all. That isn't specific to the Creighton game, that's any game.
I will accept your apology for lying.
I know it's Koby, you have never had a typo Mr Journalist?? I suppose not, you have editors etc.
Fart noises
Quote from: tower912 on January 04, 2020, 07:55:25 PM
I think you meant 'drivel.'
Nah. Somebody else here used "dribble" years ago and I liked it. So I have stolen it.
What I won't do is get into the whole name-calling and personal-attack thing, as guru did just because he doesn't understand intentional hyperbole.
When you were a professional journalist, you knew which sources to take seriously and which ones couldn't ever be taken seriously. Same concept.
Quote from: MU82 on January 04, 2020, 08:11:00 PM
Nah. Somebody else here used "dribble" years ago and I liked it. So I have stolen it.
What I won't do is get into the whole name-calling and personal-attack thing, as guru did just because he doesn't understand intentional hyperbole.
Then speak normal...your style has always been a sarcastic ass. Can you ever post anything that isn't dripping with hyperbole/sarcasm?? I'm sarcastic as the next guy believe me, but when it's EVERY single time, it gets to be a bit much. I apologize for the attacks, as they were unnecessary and I'm VERY happy with today's result. I hope they get another Tuesday night.
Box score
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401168413
For those of you hoping the rotation would get shortened, today was your day. No Jayce. Obviously because there was no one on Villanova for him to guard.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 04, 2020, 03:51:00 PM
The defensive rotations were flawless. Our D was great today. Theo was great. Can't quite understand how we looked so bad at Creighton and so good today. Creighton does have talented guards, yet it was night and day how we played these last two games.
That is easy to figure out. Wojo was playing mind games with Villanova. He set them up by purposely making us look bad against Creighton.
It was a complete game defensively and a good enough game offensively to beat a good but not as great as they have been recently Nova team. I think their ranking is based more on reputation than quality but in what portends to be a year of parity in the top 40-50 D1 teams beating any ranked team while they are ranked is important.
I only saw 3 clear "game plan" aspects that helped the win: The Rest was effort and execution.
- get Markus going early/ Markus on the ball early
- penetrate and draw fouls
- switch everything 1-4 and force Theo to recover quickly when he shades the screen. (Although at times it was switch 2-4 as Markus stayed with his man)
Wojo took advantage of the fact that Nova doesn't have a dominant big guy which gave Theo time to recover and also meant that even when he switched to a smaller guy it wasn't a big threat.
The plays called exclusively for Koby were nice as well.
Mostly though it was execution. This team could beat almost anyone when they play this well.
Quote from: Cheeks on January 04, 2020, 07:30:42 PM
You will always be able to find some examples.
Big East road teams are are 3-6 on the road. Two of the road wins are over DePaul, the other road win is Butler by 2 point over St John's.
I suspect you will see this trend continue all year long in this league.
Look for Nova to fall at Creighton this week.
Generally agree home/road but last year the road team won 40% of their games in Big East play.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 04, 2020, 07:45:18 PM
Cheeks, if the team is prepared for the opponent, is put in a position to win by the coaching staff, and gives 100% effort, losses still happen. It's a fact and something we all accept.
What has me, and others, bothered is that too often at least one of the things I mentioned above is missing. And it has happened a lot over the last few years. Wojo gets a pass on the first two years for reasons we all know but since then, with the talent he has recruited, the reasons why this team is missing something has less to do with players and more with coaches.
This is a talented group of young men who deserve to enjoy the success that they are capable of achieving. I (and others here) simply have little confidence Wojo can (or is willing to do) the things needed so these men can achieve that success.
As I have said many times, I hope I am wrong. I will be the first to admit it if Wojo succeeds consistently. I love big wins, like this one, I just think our program, with this talent, is capable of making today's win the "norm" on a far more regular basis.
First off...As hard as you fight to be right I highly doubt you hope to be wrong.
Second... There are so many variables with college basketball( injuries, transfers, egos, strength of opponents, officiating, etc, consistent success is never guaranteed. Considering the roster Wojo inherited when Buzz left IN ADDITION to all the variables mentioned a reasonable person might conclude that Wojo HAS CONSISTENTLY succeeded in fielding a competitive team with a decent winning percentage and several postseason appearances. All while being a first time head coach in a very competitive conference. Last year should have been something special but Sams hip injury, Markus' injury, Gregs thumb injury, and Joey hitting the wall late in the season took care of that.
We're about where we were last year with everything still right in front of us this season and a highly rated incoming class for next year. Oh yeah, Wojo and his staff have been CONSISTENTLY good on the recruiting front too.
The fact is Wojo has already proven himself by most metrics. Winning in the tournament would be great but depending on the seed and the opponent, team health at the end of the season, officiating, venue, etc, there's no guarantee of victory. That doesn't mean it wasn't another successful season. And it's not accepting mediocrity, it's accepting reality.
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 04, 2020, 09:42:41 PM
Last year should have been something special but Sams hip injury, Markus' injury, Gregs thumb injury, and Joey hitting the wall late in the season took care of that.
Wojo's inability to manage egos took care of that, actually. Sad folks are still trying to rewrite history.
Quote from: muguru on January 04, 2020, 08:16:50 PM
Then speak normal...your style has always been a sarcastic ass. Can you ever post anything that isn't dripping with hyperbole/sarcasm?? I'm sarcastic as the next guy believe me, but when it's EVERY single time, it gets to be a bit much. I apologize for the attacks, as they were unnecessary and I'm VERY happy with today's result. I hope they get another Tuesday night.
guru, we want the same thing for MU hoops: success.
Glad to hear you are able to enjoy games like today's. That puts you ahead of a lot of Scoopers who posted the last few days.
MU beats top 10 Nova yet some people can't help but continue to cry. Can't even lay off of it for the 11 hours left of the day.
Insufferable.
EVERY thread I look at, chico is arguing with one or more posters.
For the love of God, quit feeding this creep. He does not want to discuss - he just wants to argue. And you guys give him the fuel he cries for.
Ignore him until he goes back on his meds. This board is becoming almost unreadable. It doesn't have to be this way!!!!!!
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 04, 2020, 09:42:41 PM
First off...As hard as you fight to be right I highly doubt you hope to be wrong.
Second... There are so many variables with college basketball( injuries, transfers, egos, strength of opponents, officiating, etc, consistent success is never guaranteed. Considering the roster Wojo inherited when Buzz left IN ADDITION to all the variables mentioned a reasonable person might conclude that Wojo HAS CONSISTENTLY succeeded in fielding a competitive team with a decent winning percentage and several postseason appearances. All while being a first time head coach in a very competitive conference. Last year should have been something special but Sams hip injury, Markus' injury, Gregs thumb injury, and Joey hitting the wall late in the season took care of that.
We're about where we were last year with everything still right in front of us this season and a highly rated incoming class for next year. Oh yeah, Wojo and his staff have been CONSISTENTLY good on the recruiting front too.
The fact is Wojo has already proven himself by most metrics. Winning in the tournament would be great but depending on the seed and the opponent, team health at the end of the season, officiating, venue, etc, there's no guarantee of victory. That doesn't mean it wasn't another successful season. And it's not accepting mediocrity, it's accepting reality.
I think you just mentioned the largest number of excuses for NOT succeeding in Scoop history.
I definitely made some posts out of frustration after the Creighton game. The team bounced back very well. The second half wasn't a work of art, but I thought they showed a lot of toughness. Sacar stepped up big with a few buckets to end the scoring drought. Koby made some big free throws.
Hopefully this is a nice spark for the rest of the season.
Forgot about this, I don't know who here was at the game...but I can tell you during introductions, Wojo was boo'd. It was pretty audible inside the arena. I was actually quite shocked when I heard that.
Quote from: muguru on January 04, 2020, 10:48:07 PM
Forgot about this, I don't know who here was at the game...but I can tell you during introductions, Wojo was boo'd. It was pretty audible inside the arena. I was actually quite shocked when I heard that.
Mentioned here:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59625.msg1188522#msg1188522
And if you read through - apparently The Lens was one of them (Or okay with it).
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on January 04, 2020, 10:02:27 PM
Wojo's inability to manage egos took care of that, actually. Sad folks are still trying to rewrite history.
Nothing I wrote was historically inaccurate. Wojo wasn't hired to be a pediatric psychologist. If Wojo had stroked Joeys ego until he purred it wouldn't have fixed his lack of defense, Sams hip, Gregs thumb or Markus' various ailments. Hopefully we stay relatively healthy this year and the younger athletic guys continue to improve as the season goes along. Then Wojo can spread out the minutes and keep everyone fresh for the postseason if there is one.
Quote from: Goose on January 04, 2020, 05:32:46 PM
Great team win. I was very surprised, but definitely enjoying the victory. They should poise and played nice D today. In addition, my feeling on Theo are well noted, but have to say he played very well today.
Goose,
I think we agree on Theo so it was nice to see him play well today. We saw what happened when Morrow was on the floor, so we're gonna need to take the bad with the good from Theo.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 04, 2020, 10:30:08 PM
I think you just mentioned the largest number of excuses for NOT succeeding in Scoop history.
Actually, I just listed all the variables and challenges that Wojo has already successfully overcome. No excuses needed. You obviously chose to overlook all the successes I pointed out.
Quote from: Jockey on January 04, 2020, 10:58:32 PM
Goose,
I think we agree on Theo so it was nice to see him play well today. We saw what happened when Morrow was on the floor, so we're gonna need to take the bad with the good from Theo.
Morrow had a great block and a couple of nice hustle plays in his limited minutes. Neither he nor Theo nor Jayce are scorers (understatement of the year).
One of Wojo's strengths is his allocation of playing time at the 5. Has an excellent feel for it, and did again today.
Theo was outstanding today. He got nearly all the minutes, as he should have. All the more impressive in that he apparently is playing hurt.
Quote from: muguru on January 04, 2020, 10:48:07 PM
Forgot about this, I don't know who here was at the game...but I can tell you during introductions, Wojo was boo'd. It was pretty audible inside the arena. I was actually quite shocked when I heard that.
Well there's a good poll subject.
How many scoopers at the game boo'd
Wojo.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 04, 2020, 10:53:05 PM
Mentioned here:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59625.msg1188522#msg1188522
And if you read through - apparently The Lens was one of them (Or okay with it).
That is really a shame. Really poor decision by our fans to boo if true.
Quote from: Goose on January 04, 2020, 05:32:46 PM
Great team win. I was very surprised, but definitely enjoying the victory. They should poise and played nice D today. In addition, my feeling on Theo are well noted, but have to say he played very well today.
Glad you're enjoying the victory and appreciating the hard work the coaches and these young men put in on a daily basis. It's a much better look than tearing the players down as not being talented enough for the Big East or ripping the coaches for being incapable of getting the players to perform.
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 04, 2020, 11:02:49 PM
Actually, I just listed all the variables and challenges that Wojo has already successfully overcome. No excuses needed. You obviously chose to overlook all the successes I pointed out.
No he faces the same challenges as most coaches not at a blue blood program.
Quote from: tower912 on January 04, 2020, 03:10:21 PM
2. No, seriously, some of you guys are idiots and cheapen the Marquette diploma. Teams lose conference road games. Wojo isn't getting fired. Grow the F up.
If basketball isn't a roller coaster for you, then you may not be a normal fan. If your first reaction after a big win is more of an "I told you so" to internet strangers, then you may care more about your online persona than about MU basketball. If you're more excited to gloat here, and that results in more posts than the average game, then you're more interested in getting attention for yourself than you are in MU basketball. If that's your thought process, you need to grow up too. That's not just for the guys who get upset after losses.
All that said, this was an awesome game. It's maddening to see this team exhibit the kinds of highs and lows we saw this week, but if that's what this team is, then we'll all just need to buckle up and prepare for a crazy conference season. In the long run, I assume we'll have more highs than lows, and I look forward to that. But if the frustrations can be offset by the wins, then sign me up. I'm ready for the ride.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 05, 2020, 12:25:49 AM
If basketball isn't a roller coaster for you, then you may not be a normal fan. If your first reaction after a big win is more of an "I told you so" to internet strangers, then you may care more about your online persona than about MU basketball. If you're more excited to gloat here, and that results in more posts than the average game, then you're more interested in getting attention for yourself than you are in MU basketball. If that's your thought process, you need to grow up too. That's not just for the guys who get upset after losses.
All that said, this was an awesome game. It's maddening to see this team exhibit the kinds of highs and lows we saw this week, but if that's what this team is, then we'll all just need to buckle up and prepare for a crazy conference season. In the long run, I assume we'll have more highs than lows, and I look forward to that. But if the frustrations can be offset by the wins, then sign me up. I'm ready for the ride.
You don't seem ready for the ride.
Quote from: WithoutBias on January 05, 2020, 12:28:24 AM
You don't seem ready for the ride.
I'm more excited for the basketball than the internet. I'd say that's a good thing.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 05, 2020, 12:32:13 AM
I'm more excited for the basketball than the internet. I'd say that's a good thing.
I'd say those who are excited to get on Scoop after a win are excited because...well, because MU won and presumably played well, and they like MU being successful. Those who are excited to get on Scoop after a loss seem to be the ones who are more excited about being right than anything, unless they're lying and are just trolls and not actually MU fans.
Your anger seems misplaced.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 05, 2020, 12:25:49 AM
All that said, this was an awesome game. It's maddening to see this team exhibit the kinds of highs and lows we saw this week, but if that's what this team is, then we'll all just need to buckle up and prepare for a crazy conference season. In the long run, I assume we'll have more highs than lows, and I look forward to that. But if the frustrations can be offset by the wins, then sign me up. I'm ready for the ride.
This paragraph is what the majority of people were saying before the season and during the non conference season ("this conference season is going to be a "war" or "blood bath" to name a couple descriptions). So all the teeth gnashing over the first road loss is mystifying. We are not good enough to be a final four team but we are good enough to go to the NCAA and we should refrain from excessively ripping players (always) and coaches on a game by game basis. At least not make sweeping generalizations about how bad or good they are based on one or two games.
Quote from: Jockey on January 04, 2020, 10:30:01 PM
EVERY thread I look at, chico is arguing with one or more posters.
For the love of God, quit feeding this creep. He does not want to discuss - he just wants to argue. And you guys give him the fuel he cries for.
Ignore him until he goes back on his meds. This board is becoming almost unreadable. It doesn't have to be this way!!!!!!
EVERY? Good Lord you are such a priss
Quote from: Jockey on January 04, 2020, 10:30:01 PM
EVERY thread I look at, chico is arguing with one or more posters.
For the love of God, quit feeding this creep. He does not want to discuss - he just wants to argue. And you guys give him the fuel he cries for.
Ignore him until he goes back on his meds. This board is becoming almost unreadable. It doesn't have to be this way!!!!!!
Bro, you have got to be the angriest Canadian ever.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 05, 2020, 12:44:20 AM
This paragraph is what the majority of people were saying before the season and during the non conference season ("this conference season is going to be a "war" or "blood bath" to name a couple descriptions). So all the teeth bashing over the first road loss is mystifying. We are not good enough to be a final four team but we are good enough to go to the NCAA and we should refrain from excessively ripping players (always) and coaches on a game by game basis. At least not make sweeping generalizations about how bad or good they are based on one or two games.
Think you meant teeth gnashing but yeah, most pragmatic fans realize what conference Marquette plays in and that Marquette needs to bring its A game against every opponent. Most also realize that on some nights even their A game won't be enough. Some nights their B game will be enough and some nights it won't. Each game of the season is like a round in a boxing match and you hope that the team wins enough rounds to make it to the tournament. The key for fans is to be in the teams corner encouraging them to fight. After a good round caution them not to get too cocky. After a bad round tell them to keep their chins up. Hopefully they make it to the final bell.
Quote from: tower912 on January 04, 2020, 03:10:21 PM
7. He is much improved, but I still flinch every time Cain does anything other than shoot the open 3, or take two dribbles with a pull up. Every time he dribbles in space, every time he tries to feed the post..... eewwww.
Agree completely except your opening remark for this point. His decision making is terrible generally. A guy now in second semester of his junior season should not look so befuddled out there and making so many bad decisions when he has to improvise. He looked like a deer in headlights on that two on one bust out in second half. His first possession entering the game, he throws an inexplicably bad cross court pass that was easy pickings
He's talented and athletic, but still not showing a good feel for the game and I'm concerned he'll never get there. He should be way beyond a lot of these mistakes by now
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 05, 2020, 07:17:30 AM
Agree completely except your opening remark for this point. His decision making is terrible generally. A guy now in second semester of his junior season should not look so befuddled out there and making so many bad decisions when he has to improvise. He looked like a deer in headlights on that two on one bust out in second half. His first possession entering the game, he throws an inexplicably bad cross court pass that was easy pickings
He's talented and athletic, but still not showing a good feel for the game and I'm concerned he'll never get there. He should be way beyond a lot of these mistakes by now
I actually think his energy and generally improved play has helped us to numerous wins this season. He didn't play well yesterday, and that was reflected in his playing time. Hopefully, he will be more effective in most future games.
Yes, it would be nice if a second-semester junior were more mistake-free than he is, but he is who he is. Jamal is a role player with some fine attributes but also many flaws to his game; those who expected more from him haven't been paying attention.
Might have missed it mentioned, but only 10 TOs is a very good number for this team. I do, however, think there were a couple of times when someone (Markus in particular) would drive out of control, and get bailed out by a foul. TO prevention should still be a point of emphasis moving forward.
Quote from: MU82 on January 05, 2020, 07:29:11 AM
I actually think his energy and generally improved play has helped us to numerous wins this season. He didn't play well yesterday, and that was reflected in his playing time. Hopefully, he will be more effective in most future games.
Yes, it would be nice if a second-semester junior were more mistake-free than he is, but he is who he is. Jamal is a role player with some fine attributes but also many flaws to his game; those who expected more from him haven't been paying attention.
These should be correctable flaws to a large degree though. I don't know if it's on him, coaching, or some of both, but his raw ability suggests he should be more than just written off as a role player. Most players grow beyond these mistakes.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 05, 2020, 12:25:49 AM
If basketball isn't a roller coaster for you, then you may not be a normal fan. If your first reaction after a big win is more of an "I told you so" to internet strangers, then you may care more about your online persona than about MU basketball. If you're more excited to gloat here, and that results in more posts than the average game, then you're more interested in getting attention for yourself than you are in MU basketball. If that's your thought process, you need to grow up too. That's not just for the guys who get upset after losses.
All that said, this was an awesome game. It's maddening to see this team exhibit the kinds of highs and lows we saw this week, but if that's what this team is, then we'll all just need to buckle up and prepare for a crazy conference season. In the long run, I assume we'll have more highs than lows, and I look forward to that. But if the frustrations can be offset by the wins, then sign me up. I'm ready for the ride.
Basketball is always a rollercoaster for almost every program. There are big wins and big losses every season for almost every team. Losing one's mind over a conference road loss is stupid. It is like losing one's mind over snow in January in the upper Midwest. Both are inevitable. Shovel it and move on.
We have played 3 road games this season against teams that are a combined 23-1 in their home arenas (Creighton 10-0; Wisconsin 7-0; Kansas State 6-1) -- and we were the team that put up that 1 (at K-State).
We are 2-1 on neutral courts, with our loss coming to the No. 5 team in the nation at time,.
We are 8-0 at home, with an average margin of victory of 10.5 points against the best two teams we have played at Fiserv -- an up-and-down Purdue team that was ranked going into the season, has crushed Virginia but has had a couple of bad losses; and a Villanova team that was ranked No. 10 in the nation when we played them.
But yes, we are drastically underperforming everybody's expectations.
Quote from: muguru on January 04, 2020, 10:48:07 PM
Forgot about this, I don't know who here was at the game...but I can tell you during introductions, Wojo was boo'd. It was pretty audible inside the arena. I was actually quite shocked when I heard that.
I was there and absolutely did not hear this.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 05, 2020, 07:51:11 AM
I was there and absolutely did not hear this.
I was there, sitting up in Sec 212, and did hear some boos, and I an a few other fans discussed it briefly. So it did happen.
But the idea that so many were booing that it reflected the feelings of a "majority" of MU fans, as some have claimed, is dopey.
Quote from: MU82 on January 05, 2020, 07:48:24 AM
We have played 3 road games this season against teams that are a combined 23-1 in their home arenas (Creighton 10-0; Wisconsin 7-0; Kansas State 6-1) -- and we were the team that put up that 1 (at K-State).
We are 2-1 on neutral courts, with our loss coming to the No. 5 team in the nation at time,.
We are 8-0 at home, with an average margin of victory of 10.5 points against the best two teams we have played at Fiserv -- an up-and-down Purdue team that was ranked going into the season, has crushed Virginia but has had a couple of bad losses; and a Villanova team that was ranked No. 10 in the nation when we played them.
But yes, we are drastically underperforming everybody's expectations.
Not much of a rollercoaster. Yawn.
Finally saw the game. When we were rolling, we played with pace and got the ball inside. When we weren't, the ball was stagnant and we settled. No Jayce, which was fine. Effort and intensity was very high.
Quote from: tower912 on January 05, 2020, 07:57:18 AM
Not much of a rollercoaster. Yawn.
I have a feeling I'll be using those very basic stats a few times this week.
We all want our alma mater to have been 14-0 at this point, with resounding victories and no clunkers. Sorry, but that simply isn't college basketball today. I mean, the Purdue team that many have dismissed as garbage beat Virginia by 29 points. The Nova team that many already are dismissing as too young and overrated beat the No. 1 team in the nation two weeks ago. The Wisconsin team that many say "suck" just won at Ohio State. Five teams have been No. 1 already this season; the first 4 lost just days after getting that rank.
But we should be immune to the "roller coaster" that is college basketball.
Quote from: MU82 on January 05, 2020, 08:22:49 AM
I have a feeling I'll be using those very basic stats a few times this week.
We all want our alma mater to have been 14-0 at this point, with resounding victories and no clunkers. Sorry, but that simply isn't college basketball today. I mean, the Purdue team that many have dismissed as garbage beat Virginia by 29 points. The Nova team that many already are dismissing as too young and overrated beat the No. 1 team in the nation two weeks ago. The Wisconsin team that many say "suck" just won at Ohio State. Five teams have been No. 1 already this season; the first 4 lost just days after getting that rank.
But we should be immune to the "roller coaster" that is college basketball.
Brother MU,
While I agree with you on the concept of "any given day...", I am befuddled at how a team that looked so good and so well coached at home against Villanova could look so flawed, poorly coached and generally out of sync at Creighton. I get that since 1976, nobody has "won 'em all" but it isn't so much that we lose, it's how we lose. Losing by a point or two is a reflection on the circumstances (i.e., venue) or having an off-day. Getting blown out is something entirely different and calls into question the leadership on the team.
It wasn't like we were coming off final exams or a rigorous academic week or something. We just laid an egg. Once in awhile, like Villanova's egg yesterday, is OK. But when you get blown out by your chief in-state rival, a Top 10 team and, going back to last year, in the NCAA by a mediocre program featuring Ja' and the midgets, leads to the kind of questions we have had this week. Especially when two days later, you show up and beat a Top 10 team.
I'll say it again. I'm not anti-Wojo. I'm anti-losing. I think blow-outs should be an extremely rare occurrence given the talent we have. I believe our program should be a Top Tier NCAA program and I believe with the amount of investment we have made in basketball, there's no reason we can't be. I hope that our team's performance is such that I end up eating every critical word I've ever said or written.
Brother dgies, road versus home. Listen to the players interviews after Nova. There is insight there.
Was at the game.
1) heard 1 person boo'ing. For the Wojo introduction I heard more "meh" type reaction. Mild clapping.
—I mean Sh!t, the fans boo'd that poor student who didn't win everyone free subway. So that was the type of crowd yesterday.
2) I'm in the Cain camp. Whenever he has the ball I cringe. I always expect a travel. But my goodness. What an athlete. Or a Pogo Stick as Herman might say.
3) Ed also played quite well. Bummer his layups didn't go down but he also defended well, had a block. (Oh Bailey has a nice layup saving block also!)
4) Sy came in and played meaningful minutes. Nothing mind blowing. But he was composed and played smart. Still no TO's.
5) Koby looked solid yesterday. Sign me up for that.
6) some of you just always come off cranky and can't ever leave things in the past. Losses happen. Be happy for once.
7) good teams lose at home. Bad teams win on the road. Welcome to college basketball. If you don't like it, go watch something else.
8) can't we all just be nicer to eachother?
One of Buzz's Sweet 16 teams got manhandled at the BC by Vanderbilt. Stuff happens even at home.
Quote from: MU82 on January 05, 2020, 07:48:24 AM
We have played 3 road games this season against teams that are a combined 23-1 in their home arenas (Creighton 10-0; Wisconsin 7-0; Kansas State 6-1) -- and we were the team that put up that 1 (at K-State).
We are 2-1 on neutral courts, with our loss coming to the No. 5 team in the nation at time,.
We are 8-0 at home, with an average margin of victory of 10.5 points against the best two teams we have played at Fiserv -- an up-and-down Purdue team that was ranked going into the season, has crushed Virginia but has had a couple of bad losses; and a Villanova team that was ranked No. 10 in the nation when we played them.
But yes, we are drastically underperforming everybody's expectations.
STATS! FACTS! Not allowed.
Boo this man. Get outta here with that crap. ;)
Besides winning, the best part of the game was the dude who putted a golf ball the length of the court and was thisclose to putting it in the hole to win the car.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 05, 2020, 09:27:03 AM
Besides winning, the best part of the game was the dude who putted a golf ball the length of the court and was thisclose to putting it in the hole to win the car.
This! If his putt was a half inch to the right...
On a related note, why is it that they never select women to participate in the skill-based promos? I can assure you that there plenty who can shoot baskets better than some of the guys they have chosen lately.
Quote from: MU82 on January 05, 2020, 08:22:49 AM
I have a feeling I'll be using those very basic stats a few times this week.
We all want our alma mater to have been 14-0 at this point, with resounding victories and no clunkers. Sorry, but that simply isn't college basketball today. I mean, the Purdue team that many have dismissed as garbage beat Virginia by 29 points. The Nova team that many already are dismissing as too young and overrated beat the No. 1 team in the nation two weeks ago. The Wisconsin team that many say "suck" just won at Ohio State. Five teams have been No. 1 already this season; the first 4 lost just days after getting that rank.
But we should be immune to the "roller coaster" that is college basketball.
As the saying go "That's Entertainment" keep 'um coming back for more.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 05, 2020, 08:56:13 AM
Brother MU,
While I agree with you on the concept of "any given day...", I am befuddled at how a team that looked so good and so well coached at home against Villanova could look so flawed, poorly coached and generally out of sync at Creighton. I get that since 1976, nobody has "won 'em all" but it isn't so much that we lose, it's how we lose. Losing by a point or two is a reflection on the circumstances (i.e., venue) or having an off-day. Getting blown out is something entirely different and calls into question the leadership on the team.
It wasn't like we were coming off final exams or a rigorous academic week or something. We just laid an egg. Once in awhile, like Villanova's egg yesterday, is OK. But when you get blown out by your chief in-state rival, a Top 10 team and, going back to last year, in the NCAA by a mediocre program featuring Ja' and the midgets, leads to the kind of questions we have had this week. Especially when two days later, you show up and beat a Top 10 team.
I'll say it again. I'm not anti-Wojo. I'm anti-losing. I think blow-outs should be an extremely rare occurrence given the talent we have. I believe our program should be a Top Tier NCAA program and I believe with the amount of investment we have made in basketball, there's no reason we can't be. I hope that our team's performance is such that I end up eating every critical word I've ever said or written.
Brother, but that means you have had to ask this question nearly every year for the last 40 years...right? I mean look at each year and how we have beaten some teams and also lost and played poorly to others. There are examples everywhere. Not just with our program but most programs.
I still contend Creighton beats Nova this week and loses maybe 1 game at home this year.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 05, 2020, 09:34:37 AM
This! If his putt was a half inch to the right...
On a related note, why is it that they never select women to participate in the skill-based promos? I can assure you that there plenty who can shoot baskets better than some of the guys they have chosen lately.
We used to have to beg people to do it because they would be so nervous about going out there in front of folks. We would ask guys and gals, and generally speaking the guys were more receptive. We also only had the men's basketballs and not the women's.
Of course this was many years ago, but back in the day that was typically the response. Add in the vetting process to make sure they were eligible to compete (could not have played high school ball, etc) and it thins the herd of contestants.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 05, 2020, 09:34:37 AM
This! If his putt was a half inch to the right...
On a related note, why is it that they never select women to participate in the skill-based promos? I can assure you that there plenty who can shoot baskets better than some of the guys they have chosen lately.
The last game I went to .. NDSU? .. they had a woman shooting baskets. IIRC, she did very well, but couldn't hit the 3 pointer in time.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 05, 2020, 09:27:03 AM
Besides winning, the best part of the game was the dude who putted a golf ball the length of the court and was thisclose to putting it in the hole to win the car.
A Baylor fan made his full court putt to win $5,000.00 yesterday.
Are you sure the best part wasn't skate nation at halftime?
Quote from: warriorchick on January 05, 2020, 09:34:37 AM
This! If his putt was a half inch to the right...
On a related note, why is it that they never select women to participate in the skill-based promos? I can assure you that there plenty who can shoot baskets better than some of the guys they have chosen lately.
The guy sat in our row. He returned to a standing ovation from our section.
Quote from: Eldon on January 05, 2020, 01:29:46 AM
Bro, you have got to be the angriest Canadian ever.
Bro, get it right. It is most
annoyed Canadian ever.
I used to come to Scoop often - several times a day. Chico put an end to that, just as he has done for many others.
Quote from: tower912 on January 05, 2020, 09:01:54 AM
Brother dgies, road versus home. Listen to the players interviews after Nova. There is insight there.
Brother Tower:
I get it, sir. Playing on the road is tough. But it is a part of life.
Since they don't play all of the NCAA games in which we will play in the Computing Castle (that right is reserved for the UD Arena), we better get used to road games and hostile crowds. We gotta win on the road as well.
That said, if we have such a huge home advantage, I am appreciative of the fact that our guys respect and appreciate us so much.
Brother dgies, as brother 82 has pointed out, Creighton and Wisconsin are undefeated at home and K-State's only home loss is to MU.
Conference road games are brutal. Most times, conference champs are those who eke out .500 on the road in conference and hold serve at home. I predict MU ends up 3-6 or 4-5 on the road in conference. And none will be artistic successes.
If the defensive intensity from yesterday becomes the norm, MU's chances go up exponentially.
Quote from: Jockey on January 05, 2020, 03:31:59 PM
Bro, get it right. It is most annoyed Canadian ever.
I used to come to Scoop often - several times a day. Chico put an end to that, just as he has done for many others.
Based on your usage rate you are lying again. You still come here multiple times a day...often. Have a blessed day Brandx. My wife says hello.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 05, 2020, 12:50:00 PM
The guy sat in our row. He returned to a standing ovation from our section.
He sat right behind my row. Now I have to meet the Dr.
I didn't hear any booing in section 107
Quote from: warriorchick on January 05, 2020, 09:34:37 AM
This! If his putt was a half inch to the right...
On a related note, why is it that they never select women to participate in the skill-based promos? I can assure you that there plenty who can shoot baskets better than some of the guys they have chosen lately.
SJWchick
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 05, 2020, 12:24:17 AM
No he faces the same challenges as most coaches not at a blue blood program.
And he has had a fair amount of success.
Quote from: MU82 on January 05, 2020, 07:54:53 AM
I was there, sitting up in Sec 212, and did hear some boos, and I an a few other fans discussed it briefly. So it did happen.
But the idea that so many were booing that it reflected the feelings of a "majority" of MU fans, as some have claimed, is dopey.
I think if enough people were booing at the game yesterday, that's probably a pretty good indication of what a good chunk of the fanbase is feeling. Outside of Scoop, I don't hear many positive comments about Wojo, so the crowd reaction yesterday doesn't come as much of a surprise.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 05, 2020, 07:43:03 PM
I think if enough people were booing at the game yesterday, that's probably a pretty good indication of what a good chunk of the fanbase is feeling. Outside of Scoop, I don't hear many positive comments about Wojo, so the crowd reaction yesterday doesn't come as much of a surprise.
You can't be proven "wrong." Nor "right." Of course, given that you are making a declarative statement, the burden of proof is on you. But you'd rather speculate wildly, and none of us can make arguments against wild speculation.
Quote from: MU82 on January 05, 2020, 07:46:23 PM
You can't be proven "wrong." Nor "right." Of course, given that you are making a declarative statement, the burden of proof is on you. But you'd rather speculate wildly, and none of us can make arguments against wild speculation.
There was no wild speculation in what I said. Obviously, there will never be a fan poll for us to truly understand where the majority of people stand. But it's not crazy to draw some conclusions based on what you've seen.
Yesterday Wojo was booed during intros, and I've talked with more fans who are critical of Wojo than fans who approve of how he's done. Based on those things, it seems fair to say that a decent amount of the fanbase isn't in the proJo camp.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 05, 2020, 08:24:44 PM
Obviously, there will never be a fan poll for us to truly understand where the majority of people stand.
Obviously. But you'll speculate anyway.
But it's not crazy to draw some conclusions based on what you've seen.
Yes it is, because you haven't seen nearly enough to draw any sane conclusion. Heck, you weren't even there. At least one Scooper who was there said he didn't hear a single boo. Another said he heard one guy boo. A couple others said they heard a "smattering" of boos. A couple others said they heard more boos but nowhere close to even a measurable minority.
I've talked with more fans who are critical of Wojo than fans who approve of how he's done.
Ah, so at least you've done a truly scientific poll. You're right then ... you talked to some people, so therefore it's not speculation at all.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 05, 2020, 08:24:44 PM
There was no wild speculation in what I said. Obviously, there will never be a fan poll for us to truly understand where the majority of people stand. But it's not crazy to draw some conclusions based on what you've seen.
Yesterday Wojo was booed during intros, and I've talked with more fans who are critical of Wojo than fans who approve of how he's done. Based on those things, it seems fair to say that a decent amount of the fanbase isn't in the proJo camp.
That's the inherent danger in pairing confirmation bias with an agenda.
You start to believe your own propaganda.
It's fair to claim that some fans agree with your viewpoint, but to state that the majority are NoJos is unsupported by any available evidence.
82 - I was at the game. I heard the boos. It wasn't overwhelming, but it was definitely audible. I wasn't the only one in my group to notice.
You have your opinions, based largely on your own confirmation bias, and I have mine, also based largely on my confirmation bias. My reasoning is no more flawed than your own.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 05, 2020, 09:29:50 PM
82 - I was at the game. I heard the boos. It wasn't overwhelming, but it was definitely audible. I wasn't the only one in my group to notice.
You have your opinions, based largely on your own confirmation bias, and I have mine, also based largely on my confirmation bias. My reasoning is no more flawed than your own.
I apologize for saying you weren't at the game when you were. I for some reason thought I had read you weren't. My bad totally.
The rest of what you say here is absolutely true, ski. Anything either of us declares to be the case on this subject would be nothing more than opinion and/or speculation.
It is disappointing that people who have a common desire (i.e. Marquette winning games and support for the school) must verbally attack each other continuously because they have different opinions. I Thought we were a common fan base with common objectives, that may disagree on some issues, but would allow and respect differing viewpoints.
Once again I am wrong. This is a very ugly side of the Internet which I will have no part.
I'll ask this again, as many posters said they witnessed the booing: Where was the booing coming from? Nova fans? Student section? Sweater vesties? I heard it and it seemed like it was coming from somewhere in the NE section of the FF. It was small but concerted which makes me think it was a group of Nova fans.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 04, 2020, 04:32:45 PM
1.Great defensive effort.
2. Happy for Kobe.
3. Both teams took (and mostly missed) a lot of bad shots. Some way too early in the shot clock.
Your point 3 was the only real downer for me. Our second half shot selection was really bad for big chunks of the time. Understanding time and score is not one of our strengths. I think Sacar's foul trouble was a big part of this, as once he came back in and drove a bit we did a little better with shot selection.
In addition to our initial effort on D, our defensive rebounding was great with the guards (particularly Markus) helping out.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 06, 2020, 07:00:57 AM
I'll ask this again, as many posters said they witnessed the booing: Where was the booing coming from? Nova fans? Student section? Sweater vesties? I heard it and it seemed like it was coming from somewhere in the NE section of the FF. It was small but concerted which makes me think it was a group of Nova fans.
Nope. It's definitive proof that the majority of our fans dislike Wojo.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 06, 2020, 07:00:57 AM
I'll ask this again, as many posters said they witnessed the booing: Where was the booing coming from? Nova fans? Student section? Sweater vesties? I heard it and it seemed like it was coming from somewhere in the NE section of the FF. It was small but concerted which makes me think it was a group of Nova fans.
I've been to Fiserv twice and don't know it well enough to know which is the NE section.
I was in 212, up pretty high in the nosebleed seats. I heard the boos but none seemed to be coming from anywhere near me. Some or most of it might have been by Nova fans, but some might not have been.
I would describe the booing as faint and brief but audible. Given what I heard, I'd be hard-pressed to say it was being done by even 5% of those in attendance.
In other words, "the majority."
Quote from: ProjoSlim on January 05, 2020, 04:39:34 PM
He sat right behind my row. Now I have to meet the Dr.
I didn't hear any booing in section 107
I'm in 107 as well and did hear a bit of the booing. It wasn't loud by any means, but it was there. The people next to me also commented on it. Very disappointing behavior.
Lets keep in mind that this is also the fanbase the boo'd Derrick, a student athlete that was unsuited for the situation he was in, but did his best, and was by all accounts a good person. I'd like to think that it is an extreme minority, but I've seen enough evidence to know that there are some POS that attend/root for MU bball. There was some Wojo booing and some of it was likely from some Nova fans, but there was also some from MU fans as well. I've heard it multiple times this year, even before Saturday, up in 215.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 06, 2020, 07:00:57 AM
I'll ask this again, as many posters said they witnessed the booing: Where was the booing coming from? Nova fans? Student section? Sweater vesties? I heard it and it seemed like it was coming from somewhere in the NE section of the FF. It was small but concerted which makes me think it was a group of Nova fans.
Sounded to me like the students. I'm in the NE corner (115) and it was just north of us. It wasn't the Nova fans, most are in the front of our section & they were generally quiet during our introductions. Sounded to me like 114 or 113 (which is students).
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 06, 2020, 07:00:57 AM
I'll ask this again, as many posters said they witnessed the booing: Where was the booing coming from? Nova fans? Student section? Sweater vesties? I heard it and it seemed like it was coming from somewhere in the NE section of the FF. It was small but concerted which makes me think it was a group of Nova fans.
I was in sec 114. The boos came from the student section on the west side.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 05, 2020, 08:24:44 PM
There was no wild speculation in what I said. Obviously, there will never be a fan poll for us to truly understand where the majority of people stand. But it's not crazy to draw some conclusions based on what you've seen.
Yesterday Wojo was booed during intros, and I've talked with more fans who are critical of Wojo than fans who approve of how he's done. Based on those things, it seems fair to say that a decent amount of the fanbase isn't in the proJo camp.
I was at the game. The crowd used to "boo" Crean when they showed him on the board. I'd categorize the Wojo intro as "apathetic clapping by some" and "mild enthusiasm" for others. And a whole bunch of people that didn't even realize he was being introduced.
As with many things, people probably heard more of what they wanted to hear.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 06, 2020, 07:00:57 AM
I'll ask this again, as many posters said they witnessed the booing: Where was the booing coming from? Nova fans? Student section? Sweater vesties? I heard it and it seemed like it was coming from somewhere in the NE section of the FF. It was small but concerted which makes me think it was a group of Nova fans.
If that is section 220-218 then yes, that is where the largest contingent of Nova fans were...behind their bench in the lower level too.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 06, 2020, 09:07:48 AM
Sounded to me like the students. I'm in the NE corner (115) and it was just north of us. It wasn't the Nova fans, most are in the front of our section & they were generally quiet during our introductions. Sounded to me like 114 or 113 (which is students).
114 is not students. 113 is a student section and that is where it came from. To be fair however, there were a lot of gray hairs in that student section on Saturday.
I was at the Marquette bar Kirkwood for the Creighton game, along with my son and a fellow Class of '82er. There were 5 guys at the table next to ours, all from the Class of 2016. (I asked.) They were rude, loud and drunk. And they knew next to nothing about Marquette basketball.
When Bailey missed an early 3-pointer, one of them screamed, "Bailey, you suck! You should NEVER shoot a 3!" I turned to him and said, "Actually, he is shooting 40%-plus from 3, and we need him to take that shot when he's open." To which, the kid replied: "I don't care. He sucks."
When Sacar couldn't catch a pass that was thrown beyond his reach, another of them screamed, "Anim sucks! I wish we had anybody else on the court!" I turned to him and said, "Sacar has been our second-best player, and that wasn't even his turnover." To which, the kid offered some deep, detailed insight: "He blows!"
When they showed Wojo on the screen, one of the kids said, "(Bleeping) loser," and another said, "Fire his azz!"
I'm guessing that was representative of "the majority" that boos Wojo.
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2020, 09:26:04 AM
I was at the Marquette bar Kirkwood for the Creighton game, along with my son and a fellow Class of '82er. There were 5 guys at the table next to ours, all from the Class of 2016. (I asked.) They were rude, loud and drunk. And they knew next to nothing about Marquette basketball.
When Bailey missed an early 3-pointer, one of them screamed, "Bailey, you suck! You should NEVER shoot a 3!" I turned to him and said, "Actually, he is shooting 40%-plus from 3, and we need him to take that shot when he's open." To which, the kid replied: "I don't care. He sucks."
When Sacar couldn't catch a pass that was thrown beyond his reach, another of them screamed, "Anim sucks! I wish we had anybody else on the court!" I turned to him and said, "Sacar has been our second-best player, and that wasn't even his turnover." To which, the kid offered some deep, detailed insight: "He blows!"
When they showed Wojo on the screen, one of the kids said, "(Bleeping) loser," and another said, "Fire his azz!"
I'm guessing that was representative of "the majority" that boos Wojo.
Can't blame them though for never being really knowledgeable about the team. they came to MU and experienced an Elite 8 run then had two years of trash and one year of "meh"before leaving.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 06, 2020, 09:13:53 AM
114 is not students. 113 is a student section and that is where it came from. To be fair however, there were a lot of gray hairs in that student section on Saturday.
Gray hairs that went out of their way to buy a ticket to be there. I am not sure many Wojo-haters would do that.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 06, 2020, 09:31:41 AM
Can't blame them though for never being really knowledgeable about the team. they came to MU and experienced an Elite 8 run then had two years of trash and one year of "meh"before leaving.
Oh, it's OK to not really be knowledgeable. Lots of folks don't care to immerse themselves in all things Warriors. We Scoopers are the outliers. Most folks are casual fans, they have other interests entirely, etc.
But these young men obviously are big enough fans to have gathered at a Marquette bar dressed head-to-toe in blue and gold. If you don't know what the eff you're talking about, shut the eff up and don't pretend you do.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 06, 2020, 09:10:08 AM
I was in sec 114. The boos came from the student section on the west side.
I was in 113. Didn't hear booing around me.
Drunk sports fanatic FIBs at a bar belligerently and irrationally complaining about their sports team playing poorly. Shocking.
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2020, 10:22:23 AM
Oh, it's OK to not really be knowledgeable. Lots of folks don't care to immerse themselves in all things Warriors. We Scoopers are the outliers. Most folks are casual fans, they have other interests entirely, etc.
But these young men obviously are big enough fans to have gathered at a Marquette bar dressed head-to-toe in blue and gold. If you don't know what the eff you're talking about, shut the eff up and don't pretend you do.
Also a good point.
Quote from: WithoutBias on January 06, 2020, 10:33:03 AM
Drunk sports fanatic FIBs at a bar belligerently and irrationally complaining about their sports team playing poorly. Shocking.
Yeah I'm sure you would never find anyone in Wisconsin drunkenly complaining about the Packers, Brewers or Badgers. Come on, it's not just an Illinois thing it's a sports fan thing
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 06, 2020, 10:36:17 AM
Also a good point.
Yeah I'm sure you would never find anyone in Wisconsin drunkenly complaining about the Packers, Brewers or Badgers. Come on, it's not just an Illinois thing it's a sports fan thing
Please point to where I said it's only an IL thing.
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2020, 09:26:04 AM
I was at the Marquette bar Kirkwood for the Creighton game, along with my son and a fellow Class of '82er. There were 5 guys at the table next to ours, all from the Class of 2016. (I asked.) They were rude, loud and drunk. And they knew next to nothing about Marquette basketball.
When Bailey missed an early 3-pointer, one of them screamed, "Bailey, you suck! You should NEVER shoot a 3!" I turned to him and said, "Actually, he is shooting 40%-plus from 3, and we need him to take that shot when he's open." To which, the kid replied: "I don't care. He sucks."
When Sacar couldn't catch a pass that was thrown beyond his reach, another of them screamed, "Anim sucks! I wish we had anybody else on the court!" I turned to him and said, "Sacar has been our second-best player, and that wasn't even his turnover." To which, the kid offered some deep, detailed insight: "He blows!"
When they showed Wojo on the screen, one of the kids said, "(Bleeping) loser," and another said, "Fire his azz!"
I'm guessing that was representative of "the majority" that boos Wojo.
Part of why I moved to the back area. That and the drunk Creighton dude that kept falling into our table when he made out with his gf.
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2020, 10:22:23 AM
Oh, it's OK to not really be knowledgeable. Lots of folks don't care to immerse themselves in all things Warriors. We Scoopers are the outliers. Most folks are casual fans, they have other interests entirely, etc.
But these young men obviously are big enough fans to have gathered at a Marquette bar dressed head-to-toe in blue and gold. If you don't know what the eff you're talking about, shut the eff up and don't pretend you do.
Give them a break, they were all wearing MikeDeanesDarkBeerGoggles.
Quote from: WithoutBias on January 06, 2020, 10:38:49 AM
Please point to where I said it's only an IL thing.
Wouldn't have included FIBs otherwise, no would you?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 06, 2020, 10:44:26 AM
Wouldn't have included FIBs otherwise, no would you?
If he was watching the game in NC instead of IL? Well, no, I wouldn't have included FIBs lol. He was watching the game at a bar in IL...
Oh good. Just what we need. Something else to argue about :-\
Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 06, 2020, 10:39:11 AM
Part of why I moved to the back area. That and the drunk Creighton dude that kept falling into our table when he made out with his gf.
Yeah, there were a few obnoxious Creightonites in there, but I have to admit they had reason to celebrate that night. Unfortunately for them, their team got drunk, too, judging by their performance at Butler!
Do we have Donte DiVincenzo to thank? Nova in town for an early Saturday afternoon game, goes down 20 in the first half, Bucks play later that evening in the same building and Donte is out for "rest."
Thanks Donte! Hopefully the Bucks play at the 76ers the same day Marquette plays at Nova.
Quote from: manesworld on January 06, 2020, 11:36:11 AM
Do we have Donte DiVincenzo to thank? Nova in town for an early Saturday afternoon game, goes down 20 in the first half, Bucks play later that evening in the same building and Donte is out for "rest."
Thanks Donte! Hopefully the Bucks play at the 76ers the same day Marquette plays at Nova.
Donte was at the game watching from the hallway behind the Nova bench. There was a kid in our section wearing his Nova jersey. The staff got the kid down to the floor to meet DD. Kid was shy, but really happy after. Nice to see.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 06, 2020, 09:13:53 AM
114 is not students. 113 is a student section and that is where it came from. To be fair however, there were a lot of gray hairs in that student section on Saturday.
I know that. Should've ordered it differently. The parenthetical only referred to 113, but I could see even when I posted it how it could be misinterpreted.
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2020, 09:26:04 AM
I was at the Marquette bar Kirkwood for the Creighton game, along with my son and a fellow Class of '82er. There were 5 guys at the table next to ours, all from the Class of 2016. (I asked.) They were rude, loud and drunk. And they knew next to nothing about Marquette basketball.
When Bailey missed an early 3-pointer, one of them screamed, "Bailey, you suck! You should NEVER shoot a 3!" I turned to him and said, "Actually, he is shooting 40%-plus from 3, and we need him to take that shot when he's open." To which, the kid replied: "I don't care. He sucks."
When Sacar couldn't catch a pass that was thrown beyond his reach, another of them screamed, "Anim sucks! I wish we had anybody else on the court!" I turned to him and said, "Sacar has been our second-best player, and that wasn't even his turnover." To which, the kid offered some deep, detailed insight: "He blows!"
When they showed Wojo on the screen, one of the kids said, "(Bleeping) loser," and another said, "Fire his azz!"
I'm guessing that was representative of "the majority" that boos Wojo.
I can't resist...OK, boomer.
Totally don't mean it - you're right - it just might be the only time I'll ever be able to type that.
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2020, 09:26:04 AM
I was at the Marquette bar Kirkwood for the Creighton game, along with my son and a fellow Class of '82er. There were 5 guys at the table next to ours, all from the Class of 2016. (I asked.) They were rude, loud and drunk. And they knew next to nothing about Marquette basketball.
When Bailey missed an early 3-pointer, one of them screamed, "Bailey, you suck! You should NEVER shoot a 3!" I turned to him and said, "Actually, he is shooting 40%-plus from 3, and we need him to take that shot when he's open." To which, the kid replied: "I don't care. He sucks."
When Sacar couldn't catch a pass that was thrown beyond his reach, another of them screamed, "Anim sucks! I wish we had anybody else on the court!" I turned to him and said, "Sacar has been our second-best player, and that wasn't even his turnover." To which, the kid offered some deep, detailed insight: "He blows!"
When they showed Wojo on the screen, one of the kids said, "(Bleeping) loser," and another said, "Fire his azz!"
I'm guessing that was representative of "the majority" that boos Wojo.
This is why young people shouldn't _______....they are generally clueless until they live life and experience it for awhile. :D