Holding (Fi) serv at home, with a big Koby beef steak.

[MU82]

Not much of a rollercoaster.   Yawn.

I have a feeling I'll be using those very basic stats a few times this week.

We all want our alma mater to have been 14-0 at this point, with resounding victories and no clunkers. Sorry, but that simply isn't college basketball today. I mean, the Purdue team that many have dismissed as garbage beat Virginia by 29 points. The Nova team that many already are dismissing as too young and overrated beat the No. 1 team in the nation two weeks ago. The Wisconsin team that many say "suck" just won at Ohio State. Five teams have been No. 1 already this season; the first 4 lost just days after getting that rank.

But we should be immune to the "roller coaster" that is college basketball.

[dgies9156]

I have a feeling I'll be using those very basic stats a few times this week.

We all want our alma mater to have been 14-0 at this point, with resounding victories and no clunkers. Sorry, but that simply isn't college basketball today. I mean, the Purdue team that many have dismissed as garbage beat Virginia by 29 points. The Nova team that many already are dismissing as too young and overrated beat the No. 1 team in the nation two weeks ago. The Wisconsin team that many say "suck" just won at Ohio State. Five teams have been No. 1 already this season; the first 4 lost just days after getting that rank.

But we should be immune to the "roller coaster" that is college basketball.

Brother MU,

While I agree with you on the concept of "any given day...", I am befuddled at how a team that looked so good and so well coached at home against Villanova could look so flawed, poorly coached and generally out of sync at Creighton. I get that since 1976, nobody has "won 'em all" but it isn't so much that we lose, it's how we lose. Losing by a point or two is a reflection on the circumstances (i.e., venue) or having an off-day. Getting blown out is something entirely different and calls into question the leadership on the team.

It wasn't like we were coming off final exams or a rigorous academic week or something. We just laid an egg. Once in awhile, like Villanova's egg yesterday, is OK. But when you get blown out by your chief in-state rival, a Top 10 team and, going back to last year, in the NCAA by a mediocre program featuring Ja' and the midgets, leads to the kind of questions we have had this week. Especially when two days later, you show up and beat a Top 10 team.

I'll say it again. I'm not anti-Wojo. I'm anti-losing. I think blow-outs should be an extremely rare occurrence given the talent we have. I believe our program should be a Top Tier NCAA program and I believe with the amount of investment we have made in basketball, there's no reason we can't be. I hope that our team's performance is such that I end up eating every critical word I've ever said or written.

[tower912]

Brother dgies, road versus home.   Listen to the players interviews after Nova.   There is insight there.

[fjm]

Was at the game.

1) heard 1 person boo'ing. For the Wojo introduction I heard more "meh" type reaction. Mild clapping.
—I mean Sh!t, the fans boo'd that poor student who didn't win everyone free subway. So that was the type of crowd yesterday.

2) I'm in the Cain camp. Whenever he has the ball I cringe. I always expect a travel. But my goodness. What an athlete. Or a Pogo Stick as Herman might say.

3) Ed also played quite well. Bummer his layups didn't go down but he also defended well, had a block. (Oh Bailey has a nice layup saving block also!)

4) Sy came in and played meaningful minutes. Nothing mind blowing. But he was composed and played smart. Still no TO's.

5) Koby looked solid yesterday. Sign me up for that.

6) some of you just always come off cranky and can't ever leave things in the past. Losses happen. Be happy for once.

7) good teams lose at home. Bad teams win on the road. Welcome to college basketball. If you don't like it, go watch something else.

8) can't we all just be nicer to eachother?

[Nukem2]

One of Buzz's Sweet 16 teams got manhandled at the BC by Vanderbilt.  Stuff happens even at home.

[fjm]

We have played 3 road games this season against teams that are a combined 23-1 in their home arenas (Creighton 10-0; Wisconsin 7-0; Kansas State 6-1) -- and we were the team that put up that 1 (at K-State).

We are 2-1 on neutral courts, with our loss coming to the No. 5 team in the nation at time,.

We are 8-0 at home, with an average margin of victory of 10.5 points against the best two teams we have played at Fiserv -- an up-and-down Purdue team that was ranked going into the season, has crushed Virginia but has had a couple of bad losses; and a Villanova team that was ranked No. 10 in the nation when we played them.

But yes, we are drastically underperforming everybody's expectations.

STATS! FACTS! Not allowed.

Boo this man. Get outta here with that crap.

[mu_hilltopper]

Besides winning, the best part of the game was the dude who putted a golf ball the length of the court and was thisclose to putting it in the hole to win the car.

[warriorchick]

Besides winning, the best part of the game was the dude who putted a golf ball the length of the court and was thisclose to putting it in the hole to win the car.

This! If his putt was a half inch to the right...

On a related note, why is it that they never select women to participate in the skill-based promos? I can assure you that there plenty who can shoot baskets better than some of the guys they have chosen lately.

[Loose Cannon]

I have a feeling I'll be using those very basic stats a few times this week.

We all want our alma mater to have been 14-0 at this point, with resounding victories and no clunkers. Sorry, but that simply isn't college basketball today. I mean, the Purdue team that many have dismissed as garbage beat Virginia by 29 points. The Nova team that many already are dismissing as too young and overrated beat the No. 1 team in the nation two weeks ago. The Wisconsin team that many say "suck" just won at Ohio State. Five teams have been No. 1 already this season; the first 4 lost just days after getting that rank.

But we should be immune to the "roller coaster" that is college basketball.

As the saying go "That's  Entertainment"  keep 'um coming back for more.

[Cheeks]

Brother MU,

While I agree with you on the concept of "any given day...", I am befuddled at how a team that looked so good and so well coached at home against Villanova could look so flawed, poorly coached and generally out of sync at Creighton. I get that since 1976, nobody has "won 'em all" but it isn't so much that we lose, it's how we lose. Losing by a point or two is a reflection on the circumstances (i.e., venue) or having an off-day. Getting blown out is something entirely different and calls into question the leadership on the team.

It wasn't like we were coming off final exams or a rigorous academic week or something. We just laid an egg. Once in awhile, like Villanova's egg yesterday, is OK. But when you get blown out by your chief in-state rival, a Top 10 team and, going back to last year, in the NCAA by a mediocre program featuring Ja' and the midgets, leads to the kind of questions we have had this week. Especially when two days later, you show up and beat a Top 10 team.

I'll say it again. I'm not anti-Wojo. I'm anti-losing. I think blow-outs should be an extremely rare occurrence given the talent we have. I believe our program should be a Top Tier NCAA program and I believe with the amount of investment we have made in basketball, there's no reason we can't be. I hope that our team's performance is such that I end up eating every critical word I've ever said or written.

Brother, but that means you have had to ask this question nearly every year for the last 40 years...right?  I mean look at each year and how we have beaten some teams and also lost and played poorly to others.  There are examples everywhere.  Not just with our program but most programs.

I still contend Creighton beats Nova this week and loses maybe 1 game at home this year. 

[Cheeks]

This! If his putt was a half inch to the right...

On a related note, why is it that they never select women to participate in the skill-based promos? I can assure you that there plenty who can shoot baskets better than some of the guys they have chosen lately.

We used to have to beg people to do it because they would be so nervous about going out there in front of folks.  We would ask guys and gals, and generally speaking the guys were more receptive.  We also only had the men's basketballs and not the women's.

Of course this was many years ago, but back in the day that was typically the response.   Add in the vetting process to make sure they were eligible to compete (could not have played high school ball, etc) and it thins the herd of contestants.

[mu_hilltopper]

This! If his putt was a half inch to the right...

On a related note, why is it that they never select women to participate in the skill-based promos? I can assure you that there plenty who can shoot baskets better than some of the guys they have chosen lately.

The last game I went to .. NDSU?  .. they had a woman shooting baskets.   IIRC, she did very well, but couldn't hit the 3 pointer in time.

[wadesworld]

Besides winning, the best part of the game was the dude who putted a golf ball the length of the court and was thisclose to putting it in the hole to win the car.

A Baylor fan made his full court putt to win $5,000.00 yesterday.

[HowardsWorld]

Are you sure the best part wasn't skate nation at halftime?

[Dr. Blackheart]

This! If his putt was a half inch to the right...

On a related note, why is it that they never select women to participate in the skill-based promos? I can assure you that there plenty who can shoot baskets better than some of the guys they have chosen lately.

The guy sat in our row. He returned to a standing ovation from our section.

[Jockey]

Bro, you have got to be the angriest Canadian ever.

Bro, get it right. It is most annoyed Canadian ever.

I used to come to Scoop often - several times a day. Chico put an end to that, just as he has done for many others.

[dgies9156]

Brother dgies, road versus home.   Listen to the players interviews after Nova.   There is insight there.

Brother Tower:

I get it, sir. Playing on the road is tough. But it is a part of life.

Since they don't play all of the NCAA games in which we will play in the Computing Castle (that right is reserved for the UD Arena), we better get used to road games and hostile crowds. We gotta win on the road as well.

That said, if we have such a huge home advantage, I am appreciative of the fact that our guys respect and appreciate us so much.

[tower912]

Brother dgies, as brother 82 has pointed out, Creighton and Wisconsin are undefeated at home and K-State's only home loss is to MU.
Conference road games are brutal.  Most times, conference champs are those who eke out .500 on the road in conference and hold serve at home.    I predict MU ends up 3-6 or 4-5 on the road in conference.  And none will be artistic successes.
   If the defensive intensity from yesterday becomes the norm, MU's chances go up exponentially.

[Cheeks]

Bro, get it right. It is most annoyed Canadian ever.

I used to come to Scoop often - several times a day. Chico put an end to that, just as he has done for many others.

Based on your usage rate you are lying again.  You still come here multiple times a day...often.  Have a blessed day Brandx.  My wife says hello.

[Slim]

The guy sat in our row. He returned to a standing ovation from our section.

He sat right behind my row. Now I have to meet the Dr.

I didn't hear any booing in section 107

[cheebs09]

This! If his putt was a half inch to the right...

On a related note, why is it that they never select women to participate in the skill-based promos? I can assure you that there plenty who can shoot baskets better than some of the guys they have chosen lately.

SJWchick

[WhoaJoe2020]

No he faces the same challenges as most coaches not at a blue blood program.

And he has had a fair amount of success.

[skianth16]

I was there, sitting up in Sec 212, and did hear some boos, and I an a few other fans discussed it briefly. So it did happen.

But the idea that so many were booing that it reflected the feelings of a "majority" of MU fans, as some have claimed, is dopey.

I think if enough people were booing at the game yesterday, that's probably a pretty good indication of what a good chunk of the fanbase is feeling. Outside of Scoop, I don't hear many positive comments about Wojo, so the crowd reaction yesterday doesn't come as much of a surprise.

[MU82]

I think if enough people were booing at the game yesterday, that's probably a pretty good indication of what a good chunk of the fanbase is feeling. Outside of Scoop, I don't hear many positive comments about Wojo, so the crowd reaction yesterday doesn't come as much of a surprise.

You can't be proven "wrong." Nor "right." Of course, given that you are making a declarative statement, the burden of proof is on you. But you'd rather speculate wildly, and none of us can make arguments against wild speculation.

[skianth16]

You can't be proven "wrong." Nor "right." Of course, given that you are making a declarative statement, the burden of proof is on you. But you'd rather speculate wildly, and none of us can make arguments against wild speculation.

There was no wild speculation in what I said. Obviously, there will never be a fan poll for us to truly understand where the majority of people stand. But it's not crazy to draw some conclusions based on what you've seen.

Yesterday Wojo was booed during intros, and I've talked with more fans who are critical of Wojo than fans who approve of how he's done. Based on those things, it seems fair to say that a decent amount of the fanbase isn't in the proJo camp.