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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Cooby Snacks on February 13, 2015, 06:15:17 PM
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@MarquetteMBB: #mubb has granted Nick Noskowiak's request for a release from his National Letter of Intent. http://t.co/pqizOxzxDn
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Ok... I thought this dude was all about MU before
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Have no idea what's going on but best wishes to Nick.
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Mayo, Burton, Dawson... now Noskowiak. Wojo running kids off left and right. I'm guessing JJJ is next.
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Lol, unreal.
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"Yippie" :(
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What a shock. Wonder why?
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Mayo, Burton, Dawson... now Noskowiak. Wojo running kids off left and right. I'm guessing JJJ is next.
Ya Wojo ran him off. There clearly wasn't anything weird going on with Nick at all because most top 100 recruits quit their basketball team, leave school and move in with their uncle
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Mayo, Burton, Dawson... now Noskowiak. Wojo running kids off left and right. I'm guessing JJJ is next.
Do you know something or are you just someone who makes assumptions based on little information? I could give you four reasons why these folks are gone but let's stick to the facts before condemning a coach.
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Have no idea what's going on but best wishes to Nick.
Not sure Nick does either...sad story. Will be interesting to see what if anything comes of his basketball career. Best wishes to the kid.
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Mayo, Burton, Dawson... now Noskowiak. Wojo running kids off left and right. I'm guessing JJJ is next.
Jesmu - I applaud you for not using Teal. I know the spirit of your post was sarcastic. Surprised others aren't picking up on that.
Then again, considering how much roster turmoil there has been in the last 8 months - guess not surprised some don't realize you are kidding.
Mayo, Levin, Burton, Dawson, Nick. 4 open schollies now. Trust the process?
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Do you know something or are you just someone who makes assumptions based on little information? I could give you four reasons why these folks are gone but let's stick to the facts before condemning a coach.
Apologies. Didn't think I needed the teal.
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Sad that our fan base only seems to care about how this impacts our team and not for the well-being of a young man going through a tough time in his life. I wish him all the best and hope he finds happiness.
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Next man up
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Weird. Kid probably just wants a fresh start with a school that isnt as familiar with the strange backstory. Probably embarrassing for the kid. Knowing NN was at one one time someone who used social media quite a bit, I wouldn't be all that surprised if all the speculation around him caused this. There has been some really dumb crap said about him on these parts, and my guess is Twitter wasn't much better. I'm bummed.
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Never know what to expect when I log on here anymore, some good news in the future perhaps?
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Man, I don't care what the story is, this sucks royally!
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Jesmu - I applaud you for not using Teal. I know the spirit of your post was sarcastic. Surprised others aren't picking up on that.
Then again, considering how much roster turmoil there has been in the last 8 months - guess not surprised some don't realize you are kidding.
Mayo, Levin, Burton, Dawson, Nick. 4 open schollies now. Trust the process?
Mayo was gone no matter what.
Friday...time to dump bad news, aina?
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Weird. Kid probably just wants a fresh start with a school that isnt as familiar with the strange backstory. Probably embarrassing for the kid. Knowing NN was at one one time someone who used social media quite a bit, I wouldn't be all that surprised if all the speculation around him caused this. There has been some really dumb crap said about him on these parts, and my guess is Twitter wasn't much better. I'm bummed.
Twitter played a big part, but not in the way you said.
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Just yesterday, I wished the kid Good Luck in the other thread and mentioned MU will need a shooter like him. I was hoping he may read Scoop since he was the one who was big on social media recruiting other players to come to MU.
This story is complex and could probably be an episode on like Dateline.........
There will be numerous accounts of speculation and I hope it can stay sanitary in all the comments.
With what, four open schoolies, most of 2015 players already committed, Wojo and his staff have their work cut out for them. Big Time.
Best lot luck Nick in your future.
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NN asked for his release almost 2 weeks ago. MU wanted him to take a little time and hopefully change his mind. He didn't. Life goes on. MU really wants a 2015 pg and have been focused on finding his replacement these last two weeks as a contingency plan. I don't know any more than that, but maybe granting his release means they have found his replacement.
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Next man up
That's how I feel. I hope NN gets his life in order, but quite possible this is best for him and MU's program.
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NN asked for his release almost 2 weeks ago. MU wanted him to take a little time and hopefully change his mind. He didn't. Life goes on. MU really wants a 2015 pg and have been focused on finding his replacement these last two weeks as a contingency plan. I don't know any more than that, but maybe granting his release means they have found his replacement.
Interesting, but if that's the case, Wojo is going to win with or without you son! Good luck NN.
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NN asked for his release almost 2 weeks ago. MU wanted him to take a little time and hopefully change his mind. He didn't. Life goes on. MU really wants a 2015 pg and have been focused on finding his replacement these last two weeks as a contingency plan. I don't know any more than that, but maybe granting his release means they have found his replacement.
The thing I'm interested in is does he want to play somewhere else or is he taking a break from basketball for a while period?
If he starts opening up recruiting again and commits to a place like ISU (at this rate with our guys, why wouldn't he?) that would raise many red flags IMO.
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The thing I'm interested in is does he want to play somewhere else or is he taking a break from basketball for a while period?
If he starts opening up recruiting again and commits to a place like ISU (at this rate with our guys, why wouldn't he?) that would raise many red flags IMO.
Red flags such as what?
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Interesting, but if that's the case, Wojo is going to win with or without you son! Good luck NN.
By 2019 hopefully?
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By 2019 hopefully?
Yeah, feel free to jump on the bandwagon then.
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If I was advising the kid, I'd have him prep for a year. Get his head right, get away from home, and see what the options are.
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http://scouthoops.scout.com/story/1511625-top-5-available-senior-pgs
Here's the top 5 PGs available from Scout, add Nick to make it top 6. Maybe Wojo has someone lined up.
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http://scouthoops.scout.com/story/1511625-top-5-available-senior-pgs
Here's the top 5 PGs available from Scout, add Nick to make it top 6. Maybe Wojo has someone lined up.
Good to see there is another D Wilson on there. That seems to be a fit.
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Next man up
Next four men at least, aina?
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Can't necessarily blame Wojo for this one. Time will tell.
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Possibly going to Va Tech to play for Brent??
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Has there been a weirder recruiting story in MU history. Best of luck to the kid. Hope he's able to manage whatever his personal issues are.
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Red flags such as what?
Maybe "red flags" wasn't the appropriate term. I would assume this release was due to his tumultuous senior year and just needing to take some time away from basketball while he gets his mind right and some things figured out. It would just be weird to me (and in poor taste) if Wojo has been behind him 100%, has acted like the ONLY person in this scenario with any sense, and now Noskowiak gets released then immediately opens recruiting back up? But he very well may and then we move on to many current targets. Then again this whole saga is just too weird to me.
I'm back home in Omaha this weekend for Valentine's Day stuff (don't judge). Going to eat with my girlfriend and her parents tonight then meet up with my manager buddy downtown after and he said he'd fill me in the what he knows. Hopefully relay some of that to you guys after.
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i don't believe anyone can lay this on wojo. we had him. something changed, but not on our end. good luck nn
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Paging "Mr. Insider" lol. What's the scoop?
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Can't necessarily blame Wojo for this one. Time will tell.
Seriously? Did Wojo cause the young mans issues? How can anyone be surprised by this given what has transpired with NN. Quite frankly, I thought this would have happened weeks ago. Wojo has NOTHING to do with this.
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Maybe "red flags" wasn't the appropriate term. I would assume this release was due to his tumultuous senior year and just needing to take some time away from basketball while he gets his mind right and some things figured out. It would just be weird to me (and in poor taste) if Wojo has been behind him 100%, has acted like the ONLY person in this scenario with any sense, and now Noskowiak gets released then immediately opens recruiting back up? But he very well may and then we move on to many current targets. Then again this whole saga is just too weird to me.
I'm back home in Omaha this weekend for Valentine's Day stuff (don't judge). Going to eat with my girlfriend and her parents tonight then meet up with my manager buddy downtown after and he said he'd fill me in the what he knows. Hopefully relay some of that to you guys after.
Get the manager dude liquored up and let's have what he knows.
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Seriously? Did Wojo cause the young mans issues? How can anyone be surprised by this given what has transpired with NN. Quite frankly, I thought this would have happened weeks ago. Wojo has NOTHING to do with this.
Well OK. Let's just say Marquette had something to do with it because they wanted him to curb some of his public statements. Nick wasn't pleased.
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http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/story/marquette-golden-eagles-release-prized-recruit-nick-noskowiak-from-letter-of-intent-021315
Interesting Wojo statement. "We decided".....
Just getting more and more complex.
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I believe he was released from his Sun Prairie team today also,but I heard that through another person,that would be interesting also considering he was just reinstated
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I hope you get your life together, Nick. Good luck.
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Hope Nosko gets everything in order.
And hope Bert enjoys having him in Blacksburg.
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Weird. Kid probably just wants a fresh start with a school that isnt as familiar with the strange backstory. Probably embarrassing for the kid. Knowing NN was at one one time someone who used social media quite a bit, I wouldn't be all that surprised if all the speculation around him caused this. There has been some really dumb crap said about him on these parts, and my guess is Twitter wasn't much better. I'm bummed.
In the age of the internet his back story will be discussed ad nauseam wherever he goes. In a lot of ways, I think that coming here would have been the quickest way for him to move on.
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Seriously? Did Wojo cause the young mans issues? How can anyone be surprised by this given what has transpired with NN. Quite frankly, I thought this would have happened weeks ago. Wojo has NOTHING to do with this.
Except, apparently, he delayed it by two weeks. It's to Nick's credit that he agreed to take some time to think it over.
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Except, apparently, he delayed it by two weeks. It's to Nick's credit that he agreed to take some time to think it over.
Marquette was in no obligation to release him. Nick had no choice.
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I was personally done with him when he accepted everyone's heart felt responses to his "depression" and then turned around and said he was never depressed, just in an abusive household. Maybe he's bipolar, who knows.
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Marquette was in no obligation to release him. Nick had no choice.
Yeah, they could have said no to the release. How would you see that working out?
Wojo has said that he doesn't want guys who don't want to play for MU. I guess that he means what he says.
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WOW
We really have no luck.
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We really have no luck.
Yes and no. Better this happen now than in August or December.
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I was personally done with him when he accepted everyone's heart felt responses to his "depression" and then turned around and said he was never depressed, just in an abusive household. Maybe he's bipolar, who knows.
There were rumors of drug use going back for a few years. I've always been concerned that he got caught again and used a disease that would engender sympathy (depression) to cover other reckless behavior. Now will I admit, that is just baseless speculation. If he truely battles depression, I wish him the best. If there's more, I also wish him well. Tough to see any HS kid struggle.
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I could see this coming. No shock.
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It wouldn't be MU if they didn't have to overhaul their roster every year. I've gotten used to the annual drama.
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It wouldn't be MU if there weren't endless drama. It's exhausting. Hard to build a team when every year is a complete overhaul.
Meanwhile, UW just cruises along...smooth and steady.
Chickens are unfortunately coming home to roost for MU after handing the keys to Buzz, and then giving that hillbilly jerk with a giant ego basically free run to do whatever he wanted once he had success. Sure players came and went under Crean, and that got frustrating, but nowhere near the drama, or head cases that Buzz handed to us. Ryan and UW stay 10 miles from the type of player MU has commonly been bringing aboard since Scuzz ran things. Not difficult to understand why they've had roster stability and success.
The good thing is Wojo's a high character guy and is going to end this crap now. You wonder, did he feel obligated in some way to recruit Noskowiak back to MU, given Buzz's departure? I'm not saying he did, but the kid has a lot of issues, obviously some of which sadly are by no means his doing if he's being truthful, but there are red flags with him as others have pointed out.
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As this season goes on I swear I hate Buzz a little bit more everyday.
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Chickens are unfortunately coming home to roost for MU after handing the keys to Buzz, and then giving that hillbilly jerk with a giant ego basically free run to do whatever he wanted once he had success. Sure players came and went under Crean, and that got frustrating, but nowhere near the drama, or head cases that Buzz handed to us. Ryan and UW stay 10 miles from the type of player MU has commonly been bringing aboard since Scuzz ran things. Not difficult to understand why they've had roster stability and success.
The good thing is Wojo's a high character guy and is going to end this crap now. You wonder, did he feel obligated in some way to recruit Noskowiak back to MU, given Buzz's departure? I'm not saying he did, but the kid has a lot of issues, obviously some of which sadly are by no means his doing if he's being truthful, but there are red flags with him as others have pointed out.
For that, I give UW credit. They avoid this drama and just keep cruising along. Must be nice not to overhaul your roster every year.
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http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/story/marquette-golden-eagles-release-prized-recruit-nick-noskowiak-from-letter-of-intent-021315
Interesting Wojo statement. "We decided".....
Just getting more and more complex.
What's complex about it?
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For that, I give UW credit. They avoid this drama and just keep cruising along. Must be nice not to overhaul your roster every year.
I agree. I loathe the arrogance of many of their fans, but you can't help but respect what they've had going since Dick Bennett got there. They run a clean program, recruit good kids who work hard, and develop them.
Hopefully Wojo can emulate that model here for a number of years. He certainly had a good teacher to show him that way. And I believe strongly he will do just that. Much better times are coming.
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I agree. I hate them too, but you can't help but respect what they've had going since Dick Bennett got there. They run a clean program, recruit good kids who work hard, and develop them.
Hopefully Wojo can emulate that model here for a number of years. He certainly had a good teacher to show him that way. And I believe strongly he will do just that. Much better times are coming.
Yeah, it pains me to give them any credit, but I need to. How many consecutive years have they made the NCAA tourney? 10? 15? They avoid this transfer crap...and players they recruit actually make it to campus. What a concept. This has been a rough year...one that I'm ready to forget. At least baseball starts soon.
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Yeah, it pains me to give them any credit, but I need to. How many consecutive years have they made the NCAA tourney? 10? 15? They avoid this transfer crap...and players they recruit actually make it to campus. What a concept. This has been a rough year...one that I'm ready to forget. At least baseball starts soon.
The last NCAA's they missed was in 1998. I don't know where that ranks nationally among current streaks, but it's got to be way up there.
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I agree. I loathe the arrogance of many of their fans, but you can't help but respect what they've had going since Dick Bennett got there. They run a clean program, recruit good kids who work hard, and develop them.
Hopefully Wojo can emulate that model here for a number of years. He certainly had a good teacher to show him that way. And I believe strongly he will do just that. Much better times are coming.
Hutch is speaking my language. Wisconsin has essentially become what Indiana once was. Marquette wants to be a good, clean program. We were becoming shady under Buzz.
Wojo is going to build a program to be proud of...no drama.
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Wisconsin has essentially become what Indiana once was.
I hear what you're saying, but they've got to...gulp....start winning championships (God forbid) to truly become Indiana 2.0. That and turning some kids into successful NBA players. Do they have anyone left in the league? See, we still have huge bragging rights in that respect over them. No contest.
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Hutch is speaking my language. Wisconsin has essentially become what Indiana once was. Marquette wants to be a good, clean program. We were becoming shady under Buzz.
Wojo is going to build a program to be proud of...no drama.
I have no worries about the character of the kids in the program under Wojo. Just hope we can start winning. Hopefully this is the last selection Sunday for awhile that we don't hear our name called.
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I have no worries about the character of the kids in the program under Wojo. Just hope we can start winning. Hopefully this is the last selection Sunday for awhile that we don't hear our name called.
I don't hope for that. That would imply we only get one year of HE. I'm hoping for two.
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I don't hope for that. That would imply we only get one year of HE. I'm hoping for two.
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Do you hear what you're saying about our program?
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In the age of the internet his back story will be discussed ad nauseam wherever he goes. In a lot of ways, I think that coming here would have been the quickest way for him to move on.
Meh, yes and no. Sure it'd probably be brought up, but I doubt it would be talked about nearly as often since no one here really knows whats happening anyway. The fans and students at the new school certainly are not going to know. So I disagree.
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I don't hope for that. That would imply we only get one year of HE. I'm hoping for two.
What a dumb comment.
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I don't hope for that. That would imply we only get one year of HE. I'm hoping for two.
I don't get it
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Tired and too much beer. I was thinking draft day, not selection Sunday. Time for bed.
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There were rumors of drug use going back for a few years. I've always been concerned that he got caught again and used a disease that would engender sympathy (depression) to cover other reckless behavior. Now will I admit, that is just baseless speculation. If he truely battles depression, I wish him the best. If there's more, I also wish him well. Tough to see any HS kid struggle.
Please let's refrain from this kind of post. I would much rather read between the lines than have this in print about ANYONE, let alone a teenage kid, whether it's true or not. I encourage the moderators to remove the above post as well as my reference to it. It's just not right.
Lens - this is not an attack on you. I know your statement was supportive. Please don't take this the wrong way.
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https://twitter.com/nicknoskowiak/status/565548563237969920
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I could see this coming. No shock.
ya did, didja. well, when? after nn tweeted his thingy about depression? ya see prior to that, all was looking pretty good-he was having one helluva start to the season...it would be like if henry all of a sudden drops out and says he only wants to focus on his band-wretched johnny and the dry heaves...didja see that one coming too? these are good kids who react differently to the pressures. and the talent vultures that surround them. what's the theory, if you don't have them by the age of____? you've lost them. once they hit a certain age, your parenting is done-ask todd marinovich about that
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http://scouthoops.scout.com/story/1511625-top-5-available-senior-pgs
Here's the top 5 PGs available from Scout, add Nick to make it top 6. Maybe Wojo has someone lined up.
LoVett seems like he might be difficult to handle. Every high major that recruited him has backed way off except Lavin at St John's. Carter would be a dream get. Some injury history but a great skill set. Top 100 caliber player. And for humor value, Marquette has watched D. Wilson. 2-star recruit by most services. I still think we will add a JUCO point as well.
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As this season goes on I swear I hate Buzz a little bit more everyday.
Thank you phony downhome cowboy Buzzster.
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https://twitter.com/nicknoskowiak/status/565548563237969920
This is really sad. Best of luck, Nick. Let's move on with dignity and respect, Scoop.
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Damn, wasn't hoping it would come to this. The way his senior year started I was already picturing him in the BC "open for three".
First 3 games to start season this year:
29 pts
37 pts
43 pts
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I agree. I loathe the arrogance of many of their fans, but you can't help but respect what they've had going since Dick Bennett got there. They run a clean program, recruit good kids who work hard, and develop them.
Hopefully Wojo can emulate that model here for a number of years. He certainly had a good teacher to show him that way. And I believe strongly he will do just that. Much better times are coming.
Yup. Been saying that the last few years with plenty of darts coming my way for being a "Wisconsin fan". Anything but.....except I'll take that over the squirmy garbage that was going on. As I've said on a number of occasions there were other shoes to drop and other stuff that eventually comes out. Is what it is, I'm glad he's gone and the act follows him. People that are in the Just Win camp, will obviously disagree. I'm not in that camp. There is a way to do it. The reboot was necessary IMO.
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Nosk was AAU teammates with big Henry. Any potential blow back without his buddy?
Not sure how close Ellenson & Noskowiak are
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Nosk was AAU teammates with big Henry. Any potential blow back without his buddy?
Not sure how close Ellenson & Noskowiak are
Probably not as close as Ellenson & Ellenson's brother ;)
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Probably not as close as Ellenson & Ellenson's brother ;)
+1. Mind was still sleeping
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As this season goes on I swear I hate Buzz a little bit more everyday.
Not sure what this has to do with Buzz. Buzz got him to commit as a sophomore. He decommited when Wojo was hired, but Wojo got him to sign.
So was this Wojo's fault too?
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It is was it is for whatever the reason.
Time to move on and look for the next best thing to help us improve next year and into the future.
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There were rumors of drug use going back for a few years. I've always been concerned that he got caught again and used a disease that would engender sympathy (depression) to cover other reckless behavior. Now will I admit, that is just baseless speculation. If he truely battles depression, I wish him the best. If there's more, I also wish him well. Tough to see any HS kid struggle.
i remember a very talented basketball player from arrowhead(name witheld purposely) a number of years ago who ran into similar issues and there were many questions about how it was handled...i.e. he was suspended for a number of games then allowed to play in the state tourney where they ended up doing quite well. i guess you could say he was kinda depressed too
as this story unfolds and the rest of the story comes out-if nn was defiant to some good ole fashioned parenting, i don't believe he would have done well with wojo and/or many other coaches. if he is self medicating, gotta clean the system and help him grow/develop facing the demons-life on life's terms
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Yup. Been saying that the last few years with plenty of darts coming my way for being a "Wisconsin fan". Anything but.....except I'll take that over the squirmy garbage that was going on. As I've said on a number of occasions there were other shoes to drop and other stuff that eventually comes out. Is what it is, I'm glad he's gone and the act follows him. People that are in the Just Win camp, will obviously disagree. I'm not in that camp. There is a way to do it. The reboot was necessary IMO.
Do you feel we would have been less squirmy under Buzz if he could have recruited more kids who would get DUI's and run over teammates?
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Chicos thinks we should recruit more kids who get hammered enough on their official visits to get their stomach pumped.
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usually a little charcoal and induced vomiting will do
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usually a little charcoal and induced vomiting will do
Not when a state school is a potential deep pockets defendant.
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Hope Nosko gets everything in order.
And hope Bert enjoys having him in Blacksburg.
The perceived metal makeup of NN makes him a Buzz player if I've ever seen one. I honestly think he will flourish under Buzz should he land in BB
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Mayo, Burton, Dawson... now Noskowiak. Wojo running kids off left and right. I'm guessing JJJ is next.
Yeah, Why is That???
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Do you feel we would have been less squirmy under Buzz if he could have recruited more kids who would get DUI's and run over teammates?
Nice try. He's not our coach at MU. I also don't fault college kids for drinking, it is inevitable. Kids make stupid decisions at that age, and combine that with alcohol leads to dumb actions.
No, I'm talking about something way beyond that, when adults who should know better are making really stupid, squirmy, etc, decisions....not 17 or 18 year old kids.
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Given that he left school, was supposedly being treated for depression, went off on his Dad accusing him of abuse, returned to school and now asked out of his NLI (and his second time he backed away from MU), their are a lot of issues here that go way beyond his ability to hit open threes.
Do we know if he is even going to play college basketball next year? Will he go to prep school? Maybe he wants a school 2,000 miles from here? Maybe after some time to clear the air, he re-commits (he did once before).
This is such a unique situation I'm not sure it is a signal of anything.
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Chicos thinks we should recruit more kids who get hammered enough on their official visits to get their stomach pumped.
Yeah, that's exactly what he said. ::) At this point, MU could do a lot worse than go after UW-type recruits.
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Yeah, that's exactly what he said. ::) At this point, MU could do a lot worse than go after UW-type recruits.
I find such quotes somewhat annoying. Guess what, the UW recruits do drugs and make bad decisions also. If this was meant to imply that skill wise we would of been better off with UW type recruits than Buzz's athletic switchables, I do agree though.
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I'm sure he'll always have a home at Iowa state.
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I find such quotes somewhat annoying. Guess what, the UW recruits do drugs and make bad decisions also. If this was meant to imply that skill wise we would of been better off with UW type recruits than Buzz's athletic switchables, I do agree though.
I'm not the morality police. I'm referring to what happens on the court. UW players can shoot and are smart. No stupid turnovers...no brain-dead fouls 40 feet from the hoop.
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Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 1h1 hour ago
California, Missouri, Iowa, Illinois and UNLV have reached out to Nick Noskowiak, per his AAU coach.
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Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 1h1 hour ago
California, Missouri, Iowa, Illinois and UNLV have reached out to Nick Noskowiak, per his AAU coach.
Hmmmmm........
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Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 1h1 hour ago
California, Missouri, Iowa, Illinois and UNLV have reached out to Nick Noskowiak, per his AAU coach.
I remember Illinois really seemed to be on him the last time he reopened his recruitment.
Of course, Ryan and UW want no part of this kid, even though I'm almost positive they have more than one scholarship available for next year. And he's right in their backyard.
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I remember Illinois really seemed to be on him the last time he reopened his recruitment.
Of course, Ryan and UW want no part of this kid, even though I'm almost positive they have more than one scholarship available for next year. And he's right in their backyard.
They have one and they know that if Diamond gets the grades he's the 1.
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They have one and they know that if Diamond gets the grades he's the 1.
OK, I thought they had two.
Still, have they showed even lukewarm interest in him at any time? When he reopened his recruiting last spring, I don't recall anything about the Badgers doing anything about him being available again.
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OK, I thought they had two.
Still, have they showed even lukewarm interest in him at any time? When he reopened his recruiting last spring, I don't recall anything about the Badgers doing anything about him being available again.
They did have 2 but just got a commitment from a 3 star guard out of Ohio I believe.
Don't think they ever recruited Nick. He committed to MU early, decommitted, and then recommitted to MU.
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They have one and they know that if Diamond gets the grades he's the 1.
So, their interest in Sacar Anim is as a backup plan, good to know.
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OK, I thought they had two.
Still, have they showed even lukewarm interest in him at any time? When he reopened his recruiting last spring, I don't recall anything about the Badgers doing anything about him being available again.
They have never shown interest in NN.
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They have never shown interest in NN.
And that's all you need to know.
Bo never wanted him but Wojo took him. At a certain point, it ain't Buzz's fault.
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And that's all you need to know.
Bo never wanted him but Wojo took him. At a certain point, it ain't Buzz's fault.
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All we need to know? I see, so MU should never even consider a player that Bo Ryan isn't interested in? What a silly comment.
What the hell does Wisconsin have to do with any of this? Come on.
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All we need to know? I see, so MU should never even consider a player that Bo Ryan isn't interested in? What a silly comment.
What the hell does Wisconsin have to do with any of this? Come on.
I think it's a interesting note, given that Bo would be able to attend Sun Prairie games whenever he felt like it, given the proximity.
Ignore the fact that it's Wisconsin, and ignore the stereotypes around the recruits that Bo usually goes after. There's a top 100 guard within a 30 minute drive of a highly successful Big Ten coach's office and he doesn't appear to be to be interested.
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I think it's a interesting note, given that Bo would be able to attend Sun Prairie games whenever he felt like it, given the proximity.
Ignore the fact that it's Wisconsin, and ignore the stereotypes around the recruits that Bo usually goes after. There's a top 100 guard within a 30 minute drive of a highly successful Big Ten coach's office and he doesn't appear to be to be interested.
When Nick initially decommitted after Wojo was hired, UW never reached out to him. That was before the Pritzl commit and, obviously, the Iverson commit. I think that should say something.
OTOH, he never was all that interested in Sandy Cohen either and Cohen by all accounts looks like a great kid both on and off the court.
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All we need to know? I see, so MU should never even consider a player that Bo Ryan isn't interested in? What a silly comment.
What the hell does Wisconsin have to do with any of this? Come on.
No one's saying that Navin. That would be silly to take that approach in recruiting. But when you look at the stability and strength over at UW, compared to the train wreck Wojo inherited, it's a fact that can't be ignored that MU under Buzz was taking on waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to much risk in kids the Badgers have wanted no part of who were right in their backyard literally. We've seen it now at least twice in Maymon and now Noskowiak. Two kids that basically crapped on us, although NN at least didn't start and leave the team in season.
Taking it a step further, did Burton draw any interest from UW? I'm sure others know the answer, but I can't believe that he did given his selfish style of play that Ryan would never, ever tolerate. And while Burton was not a Madison area kid, he was an hour drive away for Bo. (and yes I know that Bo has taken very few Milwaukee kids, but it's the fact of another WI kid their program very likely wanted nothing to do with that we wanted and it didn't turn out well).
And I've been one of Wojo's biggest defenders on this board, but he can't be absolved in what happened with NN. He made the decision to re-recruit him.
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He did make decision to rerecruit him, but was not here very long and had to make those decisions with only so much information.
Hope it works out for NN and everyone else.
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No one's saying that Navin. That would be silly to take that approach in recruiting. But when you look at the stability and strength over at UW, compared to the train wreck Wojo inherited, it's a fact that can't be ignored that MU under Buzz was taking on waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to much risk in kids the Badgers have wanted no part of who were right in their backyard literally. We've seen it now at least twice in Maymon and now Noskowiak. Two kids that basically crapped on us, although NN at least didn't start and leave the team in season.
Taking it a step further, did Burton draw any interest from UW? I'm sure others know the answer, but I can't believe that he did given his selfish style of play that Ryan would never, ever tolerate. And while Burton was not a Madison area kid, he was an hour drive away for Bo. (and yes I know that Bo has taken very few Milwaukee kids, but it's the fact of another WI kid their program very likely wanted nothing to do with that we wanted and it didn't turn out well).
And I've been one of Wojo's biggest defenders on this board, but he can't be absolved in what happened with NN. He made the decision to re-recruit him.
Burton committed to Buzz pretty early on before even coming back to Milwaukee...so who knows about that one.
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He did make decision to rerecruit him, but was not here very long and had to make those decisions with only so much information.
Hope it works out for NN and everyone else.
I agree with that, but it's still on Wojo if he's going after a guy in haste without being sure he's a fit for what he's trying to build here. I don't know if that was the case, but given the circumstances he had on his plate at the time, I really wonder if it was true. He had time to make a decision on NN. NN still had a year of high school, so wasn't going to be able to help this season which Wojo knew coming in he'd likely have departures leading up to this season.
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He did make decision to rerecruit him, but was not here very long and had to make those decisions with only so much information.
Hope it works out for NN and everyone else.
Seems to me that Wojo first attempted to retain ALL players and recruits. When much of the Buzz recruiting class was already leaving, it was probably a good first strategy.
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I agree with that, but it's still on Wojo if he's going after a guy in haste without being sure he's a fit for what he's trying to build here. I don't know if that was the case, but given the circumstances he had on his plate at the time, I really wonder if it was true. He had time to make a decision on NN. NN still had a year of high school, so wasn't going to be able to help this season which Wojo knew coming in he'd likely have departures leading up to this season.
I get how Wojo would have wanted to keep things as stable as possible, but I wonder if it would have been in his (and NN's) to let him stay un-re-committed until closer to the fall signing period.
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I get how Wojo would have wanted to keep things as stable as possible, but I wonder if it would have been in his (and NN's) to let him stay un-re-committed until closer to the fall signing period.
I guess it depends on how much he knew about NN's issues at that time.
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Regarding the Wisconsin Badgers "never recruiting" Noskowiak. That is completely false. The badgers were very active with Nick but decided early on that he wasn't going to get an offer. Check his 247, numerous visits to campus/coaches watching him.
"September 15, 2012 Unofficial Visit Nick Noskowiak unofficially visits Wisconsin Badgers"
"October 18, 2012 Coach Visit Greg Gard from Wisconsin Badgers visits Nick Noskowiak"
"December 02, 2012 Unofficial Visit Nick Noskowiak unofficially visits Wisconsin Badgers"
"December 13, 2012 Coach Visit Greg Gard from Wisconsin Badgers visits Nick Noskowiak"
"February 01, 2013 Coach Visit Gary Close from Wisconsin Badgers visits Nick Noskowiak"
"February 17, 2013 Unofficial Visit Nick Noskowiak unofficially visits Wisconsin Badgers"
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I agree with that, but it's still on Wojo if he's going after a guy in haste without being sure he's a fit for what he's trying to build here. I don't know if that was the case, but given the circumstances he had on his plate at the time, I really wonder if it was true. He had time to make a decision on NN. NN still had a year of high school, so wasn't going to be able to help this season which Wojo knew coming in he'd likely have departures leading up to this season.
From a talent perspective, I'm sure Wojo felt NN was the proper fit.
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Regarding the Wisconsin Badgers "never recruiting" Noskowiak. That is completely false. The badgers were very active with Nick but decided early on that he wasn't going to get an offer. Check his 247, numerous visits to campus/coaches watching him.
"September 15, 2012 Unofficial Visit Nick Noskowiak unofficially visits Wisconsin Badgers"
"October 18, 2012 Coach Visit Greg Gard from Wisconsin Badgers visits Nick Noskowiak"
"December 02, 2012 Unofficial Visit Nick Noskowiak unofficially visits Wisconsin Badgers"
"December 13, 2012 Coach Visit Greg Gard from Wisconsin Badgers visits Nick Noskowiak"
"February 01, 2013 Coach Visit Gary Close from Wisconsin Badgers visits Nick Noskowiak"
"February 17, 2013 Unofficial Visit Nick Noskowiak unofficially visits Wisconsin Badgers"
Well obviously my absolute statement was inaccurate.
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knowing our luck NN is probably going to be some some stud for Northern Iowa or something
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Perhaps Nick just saw what a turd of a season Wojo has turned in as a first year coach and decided he wanted to matriculate elsewhere. And of course perhaps Wojo saw that Nick has some baggage as he's gotten to know him better and decided it was best to part ways as well.
Will be interesting to see what comes of Nick elsewhere. Very odd situation all around just based on what transpired in the last 8 months between Nick and MU, but also then when you factor in that it seems clear that Bo did cool on Nick at some point in the recruiting process - perhaps they had some additional insight into the dynamics of Nick that lead them to turn elsewhere.
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Perhaps Nick just saw what a turd of a season Wojo has turned in as a first year coach and decided he wanted to matriculate elsewhere. And of course perhaps Wojo saw that Nick has some baggage as he's gotten to know him better and decided it was best to part ways as well.
Will be interesting to see what comes of Nick elsewhere. Very odd situation all around just based on what transpired in the last 8 months between Nick and MU, but also then when you factor in that it seems clear that Bo did cool on Nick at some point in the recruiting process - perhaps they had some additional insight into the dynamics of Nick that lead them to turn elsewhere.
Honest question....have you been ignoring what has been going on with NN the last 6 months outside of MU hoops?
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It doesn't fit his narrative. And his narrative trumps facts.
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It doesn't fit his narrative. And his narrative trumps facts.
Maybe he can call NN and give him insight to how his stellar career in HS hoops went.
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Perhaps Nick just saw what a turd of a season Wojo has turned in as a first year coach and decided he wanted to matriculate elsewhere. And of course perhaps Wojo saw that Nick has some baggage as he's gotten to know him better and decided it was best to part ways as well.
Will be interesting to see what comes of Nick elsewhere. Very odd situation all around just based on what transpired in the last 8 months between Nick and MU, but also then when you factor in that it seems clear that Bo did cool on Nick at some point in the recruiting process - perhaps they had some additional insight into the dynamics of Nick that lead them to turn elsewhere.
Maybe NN reads Scoop and decided he didn't want to be ragged for four years by a former high-school "superstar" that he could score 100 on anytime he wanted to.
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If he's not coming to Marquette, would love to see NN at UWGB. Wardle is building a nice mid-level program and they have a need at point guard with Kiefer Sykes being a senior.
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If he's not coming to Marquette, would love to see NN at UWGB. Wardle is building a nice mid-level program and they have a need at point guard with Kiefer Sykes being a senior.
He'll end up at a higher level program than that. And the jury is still out on Wardle as a coach.
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I guess it depends on how much he knew about NN's issues at that time.
Did anyone know about these issues at all? Not that I'm expecting a basketball board to have all knowledge, but I don't recall ever reading about NN's and depression/family/could miss school kind of issues. Or that he even had issues.
When Malek Harris committed (another "stabile" Buzz recruit) his issues were mentioned in every post. NN, nothing, as I recall.
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Did anyone know about these issues at all? Not that I'm expecting a basketball board to have all knowledge, but I don't recall ever reading about NN's and issues. Or that he even had issues.
The Badger boards were supposedly floating a lot of stuff like "dumpster fire" even before Buzz left. Of course they have done that before with the likes of Vander, so I don't know if they were right in this case, or simply the blind squirrel finally found the nut.
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The Badger boards were supposedly floating a lot of stuff like "dumpster fire" even before Buzz left. Of course they have done that before with the likes of Vander, so I don't know if they were right in this case, or simply the blind squirrel finally found the nut.
The Badger boards think everyone not in Madison is a dumpster fire, doesn't really enlighten that much.
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The Badger boards were supposedly floating a lot of stuff like "dumpster fire" even before Buzz left. Of course they have done that before with the likes of Vander, so I don't know if they were right in this case, or simply the blind squirrel finally found the nut.
I don't read the Badger Board, but if they were posting stuff about NN before the phomy cowboy left, then that is just another example of Buzz boneheadely throwing a hand grenade at the program as the door hit him in the ass.
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He'll end up at a higher level program than that. And the jury is still out on Wardle as a coach.
FWIW, Jeff Goodman seems to disagree.
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN · Feb 13
Two Horizon league coaches should be a hot commodity: Bryce Drew and Green Bay's 35-year-old Brian Wardle -- who is 44-12 last two seasons.
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He'll end up at a higher level program than that. And the jury is still out on Wardle as a coach.
says the guy that thought Otule was our best Center, and thinks that Derrick is one of our best players.
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says the guy that thought Otule was our best Center, and thinks that Derrick is one of our best players.
At the time I said the former, I was correct.
I never said the latter.
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FWIW, Jeff Goodman seems to disagree.
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN · Feb 13
Two Horizon league coaches should be a hot commodity: Bryce Drew and Green Bay's 35-year-old Brian Wardle -- who is 44-12 last two seasons.
Wardle wants out of GB in the worst way but has been unable to find anyone with interest in him after his "situation" of a couple years ago. If he fails again this year to get GB into the NCAA he will have a hard time moving forward as he will not have another Sykes, who has regressed this year.
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At the time I said the former, I was correct.
I never said the latter.
No you were not correct, and you certainly think it about Derrick because you will not entertain trying anybody else at PG. But hey, it is the USA and we are all entitled to express our opinions. What a wonderful country.
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Bama is the one who, through his value add ranking system, pegged Derrick as the second best player on the team. A year ago, he had Derrick as a zero on his value add, this year, second best player on the team.
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Bama is the one who, through his value add ranking system, pegged Derrick as the second best player on the team. A year ago, he had Derrick as a zero on his value add, this year, second best player on the team.
Pomeroy classifies him as a Limited Role Player who is used in the fewest percentage of possessions of any player on the team. Furthermore Derrick shoots the ball at the lowest rate. What does this mean? Basically, he does nothing out there, yet plays the most minutes.
And for the guys who want to get all bent out of shape on Assist to Turnover ratio - When you virtually NEVER shoot the basketball, never force action, and play 35 minutes per game - you are going to by default - play your way into a decent assist to turnover ratio. If you almost never shoot - it means all you do is pass the ball. Assists are the byproduct of passing. If you are used in the fewest percentage of your teams possessions, and primarily dribble the ball 25 feet away from the basket at the top of the key - AND your defender sags off of you generally 3-5 feet - it's pretty damn hard to turn the ball over.
I'm sure an update of Bama's advanced stats will bring Derrick back in line with limited Value Add after the 5 clunkers he's played since the last round of Bama's analysis.
But hey, whatever Tower - go on believing Derrick Wilson is the 2nd best player on this team. If you want a real order: Carlino, Duane, Juan, Luke, JJJ - Cohen, Steve and Derrick are interchangeable as far as numbers 5-8 players on the team.
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Pomeroy classifies him as a Limited Role Player who is used in the fewest percentage of possessions of any player on the team. Furthermore Derrick shoots the ball at the lowest rate. What does this mean? Basically, he does nothing out there, yet plays the most minutes.
And for the guys who want to get all bent out of shape on Assist to Turnover ratio - When you virtually NEVER shoot the basketball, never force action, and play 35 minutes per game - you are going to by default - play your way into a decent assist to turnover ratio. If you almost never shoot - it means all you do is pass the ball. Assists are the byproduct of passing. If you are used in the fewest percentage of your teams possessions, and primarily dribble the ball 25 feet away from the basket at the top of the key - AND your defender sags off of you generally 3-5 feet - it's pretty damn hard to turn the ball over.
I'm sure an update of Bama's advanced stats will bring Derrick back in line with limited Value Add after the 5 clunkers he's played since the last round of Bama's analysis.
But hey, whatever Tower - go on believing Derrick Wilson is the 2nd best player on this team. If you want a real order: Carlino, Duane, Juan, Luke, JJJ - Cohen, Steve and Derrick are interchangeable as far as numbers 5-8 players on the team.
See, this is things get sticky with you, Ners.
You rip Value Add when it goes against one of your viewpoints, preferring the eye test instead. But if Value Add confirms your viewpoint, you like it and mock those who use the eye test.
I actually agree with you about Derrick. I don't care what some of these stats say because my years around basketball have taught me what a high-major PG is -- and Derrick isn't one.
But I applied the same experience/eye test last year to Dawson, and it was obvious he wasn't high-major material, either. That fact has now been confirmed by Buzz, Wojo and, mostly, Liberty! I have no idea what Value Add said about Dawson, and I don't care.
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See, this is things get sticky with you, Ners.
You rip Value Add when it goes against one of your viewpoints, preferring the eye test instead. But if Value Add confirms your viewpoint, you like it and mock those who use the eye test.
I actually agree with you about Derrick. I don't care what some of these stats say because my years around basketball have taught me what a high-major PG is -- and Derrick isn't one.
But I applied the same experience/eye test last year to Dawson, and it was obvious he wasn't high-major material, either. That fact has now been confirmed by Buzz, Wojo and, mostly, Liberty! I have no idea what Value Add said about Dawson, and I don't care.
The point is Advanced Stats can be in conflict with one another - just as Value Add and Pomeroy suggest.
As for Dawson - my eye test said he played about as you could expect for a 3-star freshman, getting spotty/choppy minutes in Big East play. Cohen actually isn't playing a whole lot better than Dawson at this point of Big East play, and Sandy has gotten pretty consistent minutes to show his value.
As for Dawson going to Liberty - NOt sure that you can draw the conclusion that he isn't a high major player based on him landing at Liberty. Not many schools have open scholarships mid-year, and there were Big 12 teams interested, but they didn't have scholarships open. Hawaii - Brad Autry's team - was interested as well, but no open scholarships.
Dawson really didn't have much of a resume he could offer teams, given his limited playing time last season, and then now this past season when Wojo nailed him to the bench for 8 games after a 4 minute stint in the opener - what are other schools going to think?
Hell Buzz played Dawson A LOT more than Wojo did right from the drop last season in non-conference, and then in Big East play.
I saw a kid who had a Big East ready body. Nice form on his jumper. A good FT shooter. Good midrange game. Needed to add some quickness and ball security - but feel he could have been a valuable contributor at this level. We'll never know.
But, there are plenty of cases where different coaches see different things in the same player.
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The point is Advanced Stats can be in conflict with one another - just as Value Add and Pomeroy suggest.
The point is you use Advanced Stats when they fit your narrative and dismiss them when they don't.
And that's OK -- most people use stats (advanced or not) in the same way. Many of us are just less likely to say, "I'm right and you're wrong, stupid!" when we do.
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Bama is the one who, through his value add ranking system, pegged Derrick as the second best player on the team. A year ago, he had Derrick as a zero on his value add, this year, second best player on the team.
Does this say more about Derrick or more about the team?
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I guess it depends on how much he knew about NN's issues at that time.
thank you-so much monday a.m. quarterbacking going on here-nn looked like a pretty good catch. i am pretty sure if the "depression " issues came up after nn was having 2nd thoughts with the departure of buzz, wojo wouldn't have let the door hit nn on his way out
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Does this say more about Derrick or more about the team?
Yes. This is what certain former HS all-stars cannot seem to wrap their heads around.
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Does this say more about Derrick or more about the team?
The team.
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What are statistics? According to Ners basketball is an art...remember?
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The point is you use Advanced Stats when they fit your narrative and dismiss them when they don't.
And that's OK -- most people use stats (advanced or not) in the same way. Many of us are just less likely to say, "I'm right and you're wrong, stupid!" when we do.
In support of your point...
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Does this say more about Derrick or more about the team?
It says more that Value Add is a flawed Advanced Stat in some cases.
The team.
And furthermore Tower - the stats Bama did offer date back roughly 5-7 games. Would be interested to see an update now after Derrick laying his usual clunker of games in Big East play.
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Nm
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So is NN going to Iowa State? Can't remember all the guys we almost got to come here, some actually landed in MKE
before they left. Maybe one of these Fridays something good will happen in our program..
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It says more that Value Add is a flawed Advanced Stat in some cases.
And furthermore Tower - the stats Bama did offer date back roughly 5-7 games. Would be interested to see an update now after Derrick laying his usual clunker of games in Big East play.
I'm still waiting to see an offensive stat that measures defender-sagging. I suppose fg% can proxy for it, as the lower the fg%, the more a defender will sag, but it's not a perfect relationship (the difference would come primarily from the defender's perception of the offensive player's shooting ability) . +/-also could somewhat pick up the sagging, but only to a very very very rough approximation.
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FWIW, Jerry Meyer of 247 Sports today changed his Crystal Ball prediction for Noskowiak to Illinois. Two others have done so in the last couple days.
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But, there are plenty of cases where different coaches see different things in the same player.
Yeah, kind of like different posters seeing different things in the same coach. Likewisewe can place our own Value-added based on the posters Resume.
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Yes. This is what certain former HS all-stars cannot seem to wrap their heads around.
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Another DNP-CD for Nosk.
Has to be odd for schools recruiting him (trying to watch him)
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Another DNP-CD for Nosk.
Has to be odd for schools recruiting him (trying to watch him)
I fear he did not de-commit from MU as he may be de-committing from college basketball altogether. Their are a ton of issues with him and they are only beginning with whatever school he decides to go to. In other words, their will be a lot more head scratching DNP-CD in his college career.
Still thinks he should go to prep school for a year and get things in order.
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Still think he should go to prep school for a year and get things in order.
Agree with this completely, but unfortunately he doesn't seem to have a ton of guidance right now. I really feel for the kid.
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Another DNP-CD for Nosk.
Has to be odd for schools recruiting him (trying to watch him)
Why tell anyone that he's back with the team if he's not allowed to play?
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Why tell anyone that he's back with the team if he's not allowed to play?
Maybe he is not getting it done in practice, in the classroom? Who knows and it really does not matter.
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Agree with this completely, but unfortunately he doesn't seem to have a ton of guidance right now. I really feel for the kid.
I think he has plenty of guidance. Just hasn't listened to it.
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Why tell anyone that he's back with the team if he's not allowed to play?
Yeah ... I can't believe stoopid Wojo is giving all of Nick's minutes to Derrick!
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Yeah ... I can't believe stoopid Wojo is giving all of Nick's minutes to Derrick!
You are brighter and better than this attempted joke 82. I know you are capable of better material. Next.
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Why tell anyone that he's back with the team if he's not allowed to play?
Because there is more to the story. My guess is the coach has the same information Wojo has, which is why his scholly was rescinded. If you read the responses to his twitter I think you can paint a picture.
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Because there is more to the story. My guess is the coach has the same information Wojo has, which is why his scholly was rescinded. If you read the responses to his twitter I think you can paint a picture.
You are right, there is more to the story.
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I feel bad for Ners. After all, he coulda won state.....
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Jerry Meyer @jerrymeyer247 8m8 minutes ago
"@ehawked: @jerrymeyer247 What's with the recent picks towards Cal for Noskowiak?" They r in pursuing more than others at this point
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Did I read in here that Wojo told him to cool it on twitter, he didn't appreciate that, and asked for his release? If that is what I read, and even worse if that's what's true then good riddance.
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Did I read in here that Wojo told him to cool it on twitter, he didn't appreciate that, and asked for his release? If that is what I read, and even worse if that's what's true then good riddance.
I believe he said something on Twitter regarding being told to cool it. Everything after that was classic scoop speculation.
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Because there is more to the story. My guess is the coach has the same information Wojo has, which is why his scholly was rescinded. If you read the responses to his twitter I think you can paint a picture.
for those of us who would like the information but don't feel like sorting through the grammatically incorrect prattle of high school kids... are to enlighten us?
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for those of us who would like the information but don't feel like sorting through the grammatically incorrect prattle of high school kids... are to enlighten us?
he who lives in glass houses ;D
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Because there is more to the story. My guess is the coach has the same information Wojo has, which is why his scholly was rescinded. If you read the responses to his twitter I think you can paint a picture.
My understanding is the scholarship offer was not rescinded. Nick asked out of his NLI. In fact I think over a week went passed between Nick's request and Marquette's release.
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If you knew the deal on him you wouldn't feel quite so bad for him. My source let me know he wasn't on the right path and that's putting it nicely.
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My understanding is the scholarship offer was not rescinded. Nick asked out of his NLI. In fact I think over a week went passed between Nick's request and Marquette's release.
http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/story/marquette-golden-eagles-release-prized-recruit-nick-noskowiak-from-letter-of-intent-021315
Per Wojo in official statement ..."We decided it was best for our program and Nick, to explore other options"
Guess one has to read it in different lights, but no acknowledgement of Nick stating he wanted to be released. "We" could mean a mutual agreement, but when he comes back and says "our program", sort of changes it.
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http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/story/marquette-golden-eagles-release-prized-recruit-nick-noskowiak-from-letter-of-intent-021315
Per Wojo in official statement ..."We decided it was best for our program and Nick, to explore other options"
Guess one has to read it in different lights, but no acknowledgement of Nick stating he wanted to be released. "We" could mean a mutual agreement, but when he comes back and says "our program", sort of changes it.
Regardless of Marquette's public statement, I was told that he requested his release the first week in February.
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http://247sports.com/Bolt/California-trending-in-Crystal-Ball-for-Nick-Noskowiak-35739621
Jerry Meyer tweeted Cal is the leader with Minnesota and yes, VPI as the biggest threats to get Nick
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If you knew the deal on him you wouldn't feel quite so bad for him. My source let me know he wasn't on the right path and that's putting it nicely.
If you don't feel like dragging it out here, mind pm'ing me? The whole situation just seems weird.
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If you don't feel like dragging it out here, mind pm'ing me? The whole situation just seems weird.
same
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If you don't feel like dragging it out here, mind pm'ing me? The whole situation just seems weird.
Are you trying to get me killed?
:D I'll pm you.
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Regardless of Marquette's public statement, I was told that he requested his release the first week in February.
And did that person mention the reason why he requested his release?
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And did that person mention the reason why he requested his release?
No.
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No.
Fair enough.
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Are you trying to get me killed?
:D I'll pm you.
I'd like to get that info
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You should have mail.
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Cal Thinks they are the leader for NN's services.
http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2015/2/21/8078769/cal-basketball-recruiting-scouting-report-nick-noskowiak
They also think these are mere "yellow flags"
1) Leaving school
2) Being treated for depression
3) Accusing his father of abuse
4) Returning to school and the team but the coach will not play him
Good luck to Cal. Remember their coach is Cuonzo Martin, who interviewed for MU's job.
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The more I hear about this kid, the happier I am that he's in MU's rearview mirror.
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Cal Thinks they are the leader for NN's services.
http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2015/2/21/8078769/cal-basketball-recruiting-scouting-report-nick-noskowiak
They also think these are mere "yellow flags"
1) Leaving school
2) Being treated for depression
3) Accusing his father of abuse
4) Returning to school and the team but the coach will not play him
Good luck to Cal. Remember their coach is Cuonzo Martin, who interviewed for MU's job.
I agree with the comments that it just might be best for him to get out of Wisconsin. Martin is a good coach. Probably worth it for him to take a flyer on him.
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The more I hear about this kid, the happier I am that he's in MU's rearview mirror.
Definitely agree.
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Martin is a good coach.
Really?
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Really?
Martin is a very good coach. The knock on him has always been recruiting.
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Martin is a very good coach. The knock on him has always been recruiting.
Well I'd say recruiting has to count a lot in evaluating a college coach.
And accomplishments on his resume is a sweet 16 run. Period. He has Cal in eighth place in a very ordinary Pac 12 with the exception of Arizona.
So, please explain what he's demonstrated that he's a good or very good coach? One Sweet 16? The coaching graveyard is littered with coaches who had one aberrational NCAA run.
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Well I'd say recruiting has to count a lot in evaluating a college coach.
And accomplishments on his resume is a sweet 16 run. Period. He has Cal in eighth place in a very ordinary Pac 12 with the exception of Arizona.
So, please explain what he's demonstrated that he's a good or very good coach? One Sweet 16? The coaching graveyard is littered with coaches who had one aberrational NCAA run.
So you mean not being able to get Cal to 2nd place in an average conference in his first season at Cal means he's a terrible coach? Well, then, Wojo SUCKS! And Wojo doesn't even have a S16 to go along with it!
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So you mean not being able to get Cal to 2nd place in an average conference in his first season at Cal means he's a terrible coach? Well, then, Wojo SUCKS! And Wojo doesn't even have a S16 to go along with it!
OMG, this is ridiculous - tell me about their depleted, short-handed roster going into the season and how it only got worse at the end of first semester, pre-conference? Tell me how they were picked to be at the bottom of the Pac 12 - they were picked about 5th. Tell me about what a poor program he inherited from that hack coach Mike Montgomery.
His season at Cal is just one example I grabbed.
Should I go on about his aberrational Sweet 16? Sneaking in to the field and selected for the play-in games in Dayton. Having the good fortune to draw UMass and Mercer after winning in Dayton, thus avoiding Duke, who 9 times out of 10 beats Mercer (that being the beauty of the NCAA tournament).
Of course, there is his Collegeinsider.com title. Whoa, you're right, I do need to rethink my position on him.
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OMG, this is ridiculous - tell me about their depleted, short-handed roster going into the season and how it only got worse at the end of first semester, pre-conference? Tell me how they were picked to be at the bottom of the Pac 12 - they were picked about 5th. Tell me about what a poor program he inherited from that hack coach Mike Montgomery.
His season at Cal is just one example I grabbed.
Should I go on about his aberrational Sweet 16? Sneaking in to the field and selected for the play-in games in Dayton. Having the good fortune to draw UMass and Mercer after winning in Dayton, thus avoiding Duke, who 9 times out of 10 beats Mercer (that being the beauty of the NCAA tournament).
Of course, there is his Collegeinsider.com title. Whoa, you're right, I do need to rethink my position on him.
Any time there is a coaching change there are going to be bumps in the road. To use a coach's first season in a program as proof that he can't coach just ruins any point you try to make.
Trying to discount what he did on a S16 run is also silly. You can't take away credit because the higher seeded team lost the game before they would've played them. You play whoever happens to fall in your way. He pulled off a first round upset. Should we discredit our S16, S16, E8 because we snuck in and pulled off 2 upsets for 1 of them and then had to make a minor miracle of a comeback in another 1 of them? I hope we don't have to discredit 2 of those 3 years.
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Any time there is a coaching change there are going to be bumps in the road. To use a coach's first season in a program as proof that he can't coach just ruins any point you try to make.
Trying to discount what he did on a S16 run is also silly. You can't take away credit because the higher seeded team lost the game before they would've played them. You play whoever happens to fall in your way. He pulled off a first round upset. Should we discredit our S16, S16, E8 because we snuck in and pulled off 2 upsets for 1 of them and then had to make a minor miracle of a comeback in another 1 of them? I hope we don't have to discredit 2 of those 3 years.
Has Cal performed below expectations this sesason? Yes. They lost two guys of note from last years team. TWO!!!! So it's his first seasons there, so what?? That doesn't doom a program who is sufficiently setup for success as Montgomery left that program. Montgomery did not leave behind a team that should be in eighth place in a very mediocre conference.
And as I said, the coaching graveyard of college basketball is littered with guys who had their one aberrational run. It's all about matchups in the NCAA tournament for the vast majority of the field every year. You draw the right matchups and you might advance and win a couple. That's all they did, it was hardly superior coaching.
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Has Cal performed below expectations this sesason? Yes. They lost two guys of note from last years team. TWO!!!! So it's his first seasons there, so what?? That doesn't doom a program who is sufficiently setup for success as Montgomery left that program. Montgomery did not leave behind a team that should be in eighth place in a very mediocre conference.
And as I said, the coaching graveyard of college basketball is littered with guys who had their one aberrational run. It's all about matchups in the NCAA tournament for the vast majority of the field every year. You draw the right matchups and you might advance and win a couple. That's all they did, it was hardly superior coaching.
Not that it matters since, again, there will always be bumps in the road when a new coach takes over a program, but it looks to me like last year's Cal team was an NIT team and this year's Cal team is an NIT team. So I'm not sure where you get the idea that they were "sufficiently set up." It looks like Martin is taking them just as far as a guy you apparently think is a legend did just last season. Martin doesn't have his players, the Cal players are learning a new system, etc. There will always be bumps in the road when a new coach takes over, especially when it's not a coach who has already coached in that program or with the former coach. At least when that is the case the culture and the system typically stays relatively similar to what it has been.
And I'm not sure I would say the run was "hardly superior coaching." In order to "sneak into the field" Tennessee won 5 of its last 6 games and the only loss came by 7 to #1 Florida. They then won a tough play in game in overtime against Iowa, and then went beat 6th seeded UMASS by 20 as the 11 seed. UMASS was favored and Martin's Tennesee team won by 20. They also then beat Mercer, coming off a win over Duke, by 20 points, and lost by 2 to Michigan in the S16. They were very close to an Elite 8 and who knows what happens from there. I'd say Martin had his guys playing pretty darn well going down the stretch run of last season, when it mattered most.
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I didn't say he was a great coach...I said he is a "good coach."
And he is. He took over a poor Missouri State team and lead them to a conference title in three years. He went to Tennessee, dealing with the Pearl sanctions, and got them to the S16 in his third year.
Is he a mid-major coach who caught lightning in a bottle at Tennessee? Or can he lead a major program once he has been there awhile? We will see. Regardless, he is a "good coach."
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Not that it matters since, again, there will always be bumps in the road when a new coach takes over a program, but it looks to me like last year's Cal team was an NIT team and this year's Cal team is an NIT team. So I'm not sure where you get the idea that they were "sufficiently set up." It looks like Martin is taking them just as far as a guy you apparently think is a legend did just last season.
So as evidence that Martin is a good coach, the fact that he has Cal positioned for the NIT, as they were last year, proves your case?!?!? He hardly inherited a bare or depleted cupboard. They were picked at least two spots higher, in some cases, three spots higher in conference than they currently stand with only a few games left.
You apparently are easily pleased with NCAA tournament success, because Tennessee's last year was one big yawn. They were getting throttled by Michigan by the way for two thirds of that game, and made a late run. As I stated, it's about matchups in the NCAA's, which Tennessee had some great draws, period.
By the way, how did Martin's other NCAA tourney appearances turn out for Mo. State and UT? ::)
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I didn't say he was a great coach...I said he is a "good coach."
And he is. He took over a poor Missouri State team and lead them to a conference title in three years. He went to Tennessee, dealing with the Pearl sanctions, and got them to the S16 in his third year.
Is he a mid-major coach who caught lightning in a bottle at Tennessee? Or can he lead a major program once he has been there awhile? We will see. Regardless, he is a "good coach."
Where are you getting that I quoted you saying he's a "great coach"? I know what you and others said, and have quoted positions accurately.
"lighting in a bottle"! That was lightning? More like a brief clap of thunder.
Your last statement - "mid-major coach...lightning in a bottle" @ UT vs. "lead a major program once he has been there awhile" (boy, you really set the bar high with that question, didn't you!), you answer with wait and see, then follow that up with maintaining he is a good coach? Talk about positively maybe statements.
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You responded "Really?" when I said he is a "good coach."
He *is* a good coach. I was never claiming more than that.
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You responded "Really?" when I said he is a "good coach."
He *is* a good coach. I was never claiming more than that.
Yeah, I know. So thanks for confirming I never misquoted you.
And why you said I did in the first place will I guess forever be a mystery because you have no credible response.
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Yeah, I know. So thanks for confirming I never misquoted you.
And why you said I did in the first place will I guess forever be a mystery because you have no credible response.
OK, you are just arguing for sake of it.
I was simply responding to your "really?" with substantive information. Next time I will keep the data out of my response and just say "yes." One syllable...three letters...should be easy for you.
Until then...argue away.
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OK, you are just arguing for sake of it.
I was simply responding to your "really?" with substantive information. Next time I will keep the data out of my response and just say "yes." One syllable...three letters...should be easy for you.
Until then...argue away.
I'm not the one having a difficult time with one word responses, you clearly are.
And I'm only trying to correct the record. You led off the post even misstating something I never said. And now you're not man enough or honest enough to just own up to it.
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I'm not the one having a difficult time with one word responses, you clearly are.
And I'm only trying to correct the record. You led off the post even misstating something I never said. And now you're not man enough or honest enough to just own up to it.
I never quoted you saying anything. I was contrasting my "good coach" statement with great coach. (Note that I didn't put quote marks around it.) BTW, I think its funny that you have decided to attack me instead of addressing the data provided. So you are both having trouble with complex concepts AND staying focused.
My suggestion? Take an adderall and a nap. When you wake up you might actually come up with a decent response.
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I never quoted you saying anything. I was contrasting my "good coach" statement with great coach. (Note that I didn't put quote marks around it.) BTW, I think its funny that you have decided to attack me instead of addressing the data provided. So you are both having trouble with complex concepts AND staying focused.
My suggestion? Take an adderall and a nap. When you wake up you might actually come up with a decent response.
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Wow, this was one of the sillier arguments I've ever seen on scoop. But at least its a new topic!
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Wow, this was one of the sillier arguments I've ever seen on scoop.
I can't disagree with you on that TAMU. I just have some pet peeves that really get under my skin.
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Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 10m10 minutes ago
Sun Prairie senior guard Nick Noskowiak is taking an official visit to USC this weekend.
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Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 10m10 minutes ago
Sun Prairie senior guard Nick Noskowiak is taking an official visit to USC this weekend.
Southern Cal or South Carolina? (Both go by USC)
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Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 10m10 minutes ago
Sun Prairie senior guard Nick Noskowiak is taking an official visit to USC this weekend.
I can't imagine a more different setting for someone from Sun Prairie then South Central Los Angeles.
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I can't imagine a more different setting for someone from Sun Prairie then South Central Los Angeles.
And pretty boy Andy Enfield with his losing record and silicon enhanced supermodel wife.
Doesn't this scream the opposite of Sun Prairie?
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I can't imagine a more different setting for someone from Sun Prairie then South Central Los Angeles.
It's a dumpster fire program in literally a dumpster fire neighborhood. Sounds promising.
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Without knowing all the details, I would think the last thing Nick needs is southern California. But good luck to him.
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I had thought Nick was talking with Illinois. Hopefully USC works out for him.
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I heard Illinois lost interest pretty quickly.
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And pretty boy Andy Enfield
Pretty boy?
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0418/ncb_u_enfield11_300.jpg)
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Southern Cal or South Carolina? (Both go by USC)
The real USC is Southern California.
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Did NN play in any of the last few games for Sun Prairie? I know he was back on the team but never saw a stat line upon his return.
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I heard Illinois lost interest pretty quickly.
Thanks. It's been a long, difficult winter for Nick. I sincerely hope things work out for him.
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Did NN play in any of the last few games for Sun Prairie? I know he was back on the team but never saw a stat line upon his return.
He played senior night and the two tourney games. Had to earn his way back onto the court.
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Pretty boy?
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0418/ncb_u_enfield11_300.jpg)
;D
My exact thought. I think Heisenberg might have a different meaning for "pretty boy" than you or I.
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He played senior night and the two tourney games. Had to earn his way back onto the court.
Wait a second ... a coach other than Wojo wanted a kid to earn his way onto the court?
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;D
My exact thought. I think Heisenberg might have a different meaning for "pretty boy" than you or I.
His wife
(http://www.thesportsbank.net/core/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Andy-Enfield-wife-e1363827943623.jpg)
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She thought Andy looked pretty standing on all the money he earned on Wall Street and from coaching.
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His wife
(http://www.thesportsbank.net/core/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Andy-Enfield-wife-e1363827943623.jpg)
Heise Baby, could ya 'xplain 'xactly where ya think that there silicone resides?