JJJ for SOTG. Nersaloop (TW) told me so.
Victory for the WARRIORS!!!!
Dunks, what say you?
Anyone else have a problem with fox sports go tonight (no authorized message)? And yes, I have an xfinity subscription with FS1.
Baby blues again!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 10, 2015, 07:50:17 PM
Baby blues again!
Uh oh. Baby blues. National TV. We can't possibly win!
Wait...
Anyways, feel free to join...well, just me right now...in the Gameday Chat.
http://www.muscoop.com/chat/flashchat.php
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 10, 2015, 07:44:44 PM
Anyone else have a problem with fox sports go tonight (no authorized message)? And yes, I have an xfinity subscription with FS1.
I am as well and now it is saying that "Due to league restrictions, this event is not available in your area." What the fook.
My wife won't let me as it makes too much noise
Quote from: patso on February 10, 2015, 08:04:41 PM
My wife won't let me as it makes too much noise
You got a keeper.
Actually it's one of her very few complaints. Gameday Chat and maybe beer
Quote from: JoeSmith1721 on February 10, 2015, 08:04:25 PM
I am as well and now it is saying that "Due to league restrictions, this event is not available in your area." What the fook.
Got it to work by going through the Xfinity live tv link...
http://xfinitytv.comcast.net/watch-live-tv
Still concerning that Fox's website is flaky.
Gameday chat was always funnier than "game thread"
baby blues because of Autism Speakers / Coaches Powering Forward for Autism.
Is that Ben H. back in the studio? Man, he'd look good on the BMO floor right now! ::)
Quote from: patso on February 10, 2015, 08:09:18 PM
Actually it's one of her very few complaints. Gameday Chat and maybe beer
You can mute the sound inside of chat.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 10, 2015, 08:09:56 PM
Got it to work by going through the Xfinity live tv link...
http://xfinitytv.comcast.net/watch-live-tv
Still concerning that Fox's website is flaky.
Awesome! thanks Rocky
Quote from: patso on February 10, 2015, 08:04:41 PM
My wife won't let me as it makes too much noise
ZFB and his pals recommend astroglide
When will there be a chat interface that works on an iPhone?
luuuuke
juuaaaann
jjjjjjjjjj
Poor shot by JjJ but made up for it with the shot in the paint.
luuuuke on both ends so nice to see
bad TO with only 3 on the clock; Luke needs to get it lower
Good start lots of good passing into Luke.
Playing well as a team. Great passing, awesome help D on Stainbrook.
Nice floater
Luke looking gassed early. He's going to have to work hard tonight, but it's an encouraging start.
Don't let up. Don't ever let up.- Jimmy V
Who are these guys?
oh, sandy
I hate when guys don't realize the shot clock.
LSU lost cuz of that
Quote from: LloydsLegs on February 10, 2015, 08:30:27 PM
oh, sandy
After that I'm sure he'll get yanked. Must be more mind games.
Starting five looked good. Need something from Steve and Sandy.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 10, 2015, 08:32:11 PM
After that I'm sure he'll get yanked. Must be more mind games.
Only happens to JJJ
good D by duane-tough call
great D by Luke and nice board bt Steve
is OMeara the kid from Bennet?
I'm tired of seeing Abell hit 3s...
We're doing a great job getting the ball to Luke. Have to convert those.
This sums up my thoughts on the game so far.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CuWQfMGjZF4 (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CuWQfMGjZF4)
Have to at least start attempting jump shots to open up the lane.
Going on another of our can't score benders.
May get ugly soon
Up 11 five minutes ago. 3 turnovers and 6 missed shots.
Nice pass by Derrick, strong finish by JJJ....
I like JJJ without the headband
Oh sweet, they brought back the commercial comparing Hilliard to a Golden Eagle. Where's Derrick Wilson the Musketeer and Luke Fischer the Pirate?
JJJ with the assist from.....drumroll....Derrick. :o :o :o
Did you hear the announcer? Wake up call for JjJ? Everyone knows he was being toyed with by WoJo.
JJJ has very good instincts , his cut through to the three point play was a good example. Nice pass from Derrick.
bad derrick
Ggood lord derrick.
This is bad.
About to get F'ing destroyed
I'd like to see Sandy get a look and take a 3. Or 2.
Admittedly I've never played, nor had seats near a coach .. and this is one of the first seasons where TV has broadcast in-the-huddle conversations ..
.. Every time they let us listen to Wojo, it seems like he's just full of platitudes. "We can't let our emotions go up and down, blah blah" was right now. But I've heard him a few other times, and it's "we gotta play hard and try harder for rebounds" "we gotta fight for the ball more" ..
Is that how huddles usually go? I guess I was thinking it'd be more about strategy, like _how_ to get the rebound, not just a pep talk.
I mean, I get that some times you need to give a pep talk, but through this season, I've never heard anything but that from Wojo. ???
no complaint with that shot by sandy
If 12 & 10 didn't play another minute this season I would be more than fine with that.
And of course sandy has two down and outs while their white boy rains.
Never seen a team with worse luck
Bad stretch by Derrick and Steve. Sandy's shots are sooooo close.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 10, 2015, 08:47:46 PM
Admittedly I've never played, nor had seats near a coach .. and this is one of the first seasons where TV has broadcast in-the-huddle conversations ..
.. Every time they let us listen to Wojo, it seems like he's just full of platitudes. "We can't let our emotions go up and down, blah blah" was right now. But I've heard him a few other times, and it's "we gotta play hard and try harder for rebounds" "we gotta fight for the ball more" ..
Is that how huddles usually go? I guess I was thinking it'd be more about strategy, like _how_ to get the rebound, not just a pep talk.
I mean, I get that some times you need to give a pep talk, but through this season, I've never heard anything but that from Wojo. ???
Hard to teach in 2 mins in the huddle. Most of that is pregame and halftime
Quote from: Milwarriorkee on February 10, 2015, 08:48:54 PM
If 12 & 10 didn't play another minute this season I would be more than fine with that.
Ditto
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 10, 2015, 08:47:46 PM
Admittedly I've never played, nor had seats near a coach .. and this is one of the first seasons where TV has broadcast in-the-huddle conversations ..
.. Every time they let us listen to Wojo, it seems like he's just full of platitudes. "We can't let our emotions go up and down, blah blah" was right now. But I've heard him a few other times, and it's "we gotta play hard and try harder for rebounds" "we gotta fight for the ball more" ..
Is that how huddles usually go? I guess I was thinking it'd be more about strategy, like _how_ to get the rebound, not just a pep talk.
I mean, I get that some times you need to give a pep talk, but through this season, I've never heard anything but that from Wojo. ???
Had the exact same thought; I assume/hope that when the moment calls for x's nd O's (inbounds play; change up of ahow to ttack an unexpected defense), he does it, but they have not shown that at all
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 10, 2015, 08:49:18 PM
And of course sandy has two down and outs while their white boy rains.
Never seen a team with worse luck
Derrick was the defender twice on him. Guy can shoot elitely......
Our best offense has come in transition. Gotta run when we can. Half court sets have been bad to say the least.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 10, 2015, 08:47:46 PM
Admittedly I've never played, nor had seats near a coach .. and this is one of the first seasons where TV has broadcast in-the-huddle conversations ..
.. Every time they let us listen to Wojo, it seems like he's just full of platitudes. "We can't let our emotions go up and down, blah blah" was right now. But I've heard him a few other times, and it's "we gotta play hard and try harder for rebounds" "we gotta fight for the ball more" ..
Is that how huddles usually go? I guess I was thinking it'd be more about strategy, like _how_ to get the rebound, not just a pep talk.
I mean, I get that some times you need to give a pep talk, but through this season, I've never heard anything but that from Wojo. ???
I noticed this too. I played for a number of coaches in high school and AAU and usually pep talks were reserved for the locker room. Huddles would be more x & o's and adjustments
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 10, 2015, 08:47:46 PM
Admittedly I've never played, nor had seats near a coach .. and this is one of the first seasons where TV has broadcast in-the-huddle conversations ..
.. Every time they let us listen to Wojo, it seems like he's just full of platitudes. "We can't let our emotions go up and down, blah blah" was right now. But I've heard him a few other times, and it's "we gotta play hard and try harder for rebounds" "we gotta fight for the ball more" ..
Is that how huddles usually go? I guess I was thinking it'd be more about strategy, like _how_ to get the rebound, not just a pep talk.
I mean, I get that some times you need to give a pep talk, but through this season, I've never heard anything but that from Wojo. ???
did anyone else notice how he was only looking at JjJ in the huddle? Like he's the only one who needs to be told anything? Damn that WoJo!
Another stupid derrick play and leads to and 1.
Sandy missed the baseline double on Stainbrook....
ended I think an 18-3 run?
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 10, 2015, 08:47:46 PM
Admittedly I've never played, nor had seats near a coach .. and this is one of the first seasons where TV has broadcast in-the-huddle conversations ..
.. Every time they let us listen to Wojo, it seems like he's just full of platitudes. "We can't let our emotions go up and down, blah blah" was right now. But I've heard him a few other times, and it's "we gotta play hard and try harder for rebounds" "we gotta fight for the ball more" ..
Is that how huddles usually go? I guess I was thinking it'd be more about strategy, like _how_ to get the rebound, not just a pep talk.
I mean, I get that some times you need to give a pep talk, but through this season, I've never heard anything but that from Wojo. ???
Valid point, I think it's just too small of a sample size to know for sure how Wojo's huddles go. I'm sure it's just part of the coaching learning curve: how to come up with something in every single huddle. To Wojo's credit, he drew up a great in-bounds play that got Sandy a wide open look, just didn't knock it down.
I was just thinking Du needs to get involved.
At least Derrick still playing D.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 10, 2015, 08:56:35 PM
At least Derrick still playing D.
Lol and elite D at that!!!!!
just how I would haave drawn it up; Derrick dribbling until we need a bail out 3 from...Juuannn!!!!
Quote from: Milwarriorkee on February 10, 2015, 08:48:54 PM
If 12 & 10 didn't play another minute this season I would be more than fine with that.
Anderson has 9 pts (4/6 shooting) and 4 rebs at the half. You'd be fine with that?
What's in the glass tonight?
Just poured some Pendleton here.
Quote from: LloydsLegs on February 10, 2015, 08:59:02 PM
just how I would haave drawn it up; Derrick dribbling until we need a bail out 3 from...Juuannn!!!!
#doable!
What was the time when we had 16? This is a turd sandwich.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on February 10, 2015, 08:57:46 PM
Lol and elite D at that!!!!!
You missed the drawn charge and forced travel. Gotta pay attention!
The Chief is starting to shoot it like JJJ, down from the chest.
Quote from: LloydsLegs on February 10, 2015, 08:59:02 PM
just how I would haave drawn it up; Derrick dribbling until we need a bail out 3 from...Juuannn!!!!
Until that prayer, MU scored 6 points in last 12 minutes, which included a three by Duane and traditional 3 pt play by JJJ. Thats two baskets made in 12 minutes.
Derrick has zero points, had 1 against SH and 2 against Nova.
Thought Juan had best half of his season tonight, but can't do it by himself.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 10, 2015, 09:01:30 PM
You missed the drawn charge and forced travel. Gotta pay attention!
Some people do not understand basketball, they will never be satisfied.
Considering how the wheels came off I'll take a 3-point deficit. Not having Carlino makes things tough. Need to make threes if Xavier is taking away passing lanes and the easy interior looks we saw early. Onus is on Sandy and Duane to extend the defense.
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 10, 2015, 09:00:28 PM
What's in the glass tonight?
Just poured some Pendleton here.
Mrs. Legs recuprating from some surgery, and her MU roommate brought over some black bean soup with a nice kick (more for me than for Mrs. Legs-gotta love those MU friends!). A Pipeworks imperial stout is a perfect match.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 10, 2015, 09:05:18 PM
Considering how the wheels came off I'll take a 3-point deficit. Not having Carlino makes things tough. Need to make threes if Xavier is taking away passing lanes and the easy interior looks we saw early. Onus is on Sandy and Duane to extend the defense.
Du hit the three and walked the next time down, shooting and making it as the whistle blew. Hopefully he's feeling it this next half.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 10, 2015, 09:05:18 PM
Considering how the wheels came off I'll take a 3-point deficit. Not having Carlino makes things tough. Need to make threes if Xavier is taking away passing lanes and the easy interior looks we saw early. Onus is on Sandy and Duane to extend the defense.
Duane sitting with 2 fouls really hurt us on offense
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on February 10, 2015, 09:07:30 PM
Du hit the three and walked the next time down, shooting and making it as the whistle blew. Hopefully he's feeling it this next half.
On Duane's missed three a bit after that he spent too much time with his hand in the air admiring the brick. It's not just the confidence to take the shot, but the confidence to go after the board on a bad miss.
Quote from: News: Ellenson dreams & commits to MU on February 10, 2015, 09:07:51 PM
Duane sitting with 2 fouls really hurt us on offense
And as usual, Derrick will play the whole game...because,,,his stats deserve it. He also had two fouls, but did not sit. Hope he does not get into foul trouble. We will need his clang FT's at crunch time.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 10, 2015, 09:00:01 PM
Anderson has 9 pts (4/6 shooting) and 4 rebs at the half. You'd be fine with that?
Yes. It's a flip of a coin whether he's going to contribute or disappear or make bone head plays. Because he is so unreliable (and frankly, even a "good" game for him really is usually not a huge contribution) I would rather sandy take his minutes. Sandy might not always contribute as much, as today's game illustrates so far, but the gap is not so great that it outweighs getting the younger player more experience.
Quote from: wheresthecake? on February 10, 2015, 08:54:14 PM
Valid point, I think it's just too small of a sample size to know for sure how Wojo's huddles go. I'm sure it's just part of the coaching learning curve: how to come up with something in every single huddle. To Wojo's credit, he drew up a great in-bounds play that got Sandy a wide open look, just didn't knock it down.
True .. I think I've only heard 4-5 of these in-huddle bits .. but all of them have been fluff. Keep waiting for some coaching adjustment speak, but so far zip.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 10, 2015, 09:02:26 PM
The Chief is starting to shoot it like JJJ, down from the chest.
Must be contagious. He is a better shooter than JJJ, however. I believe that JJJ's 3 point shooting is worse than Derrick's. Now that is amazing.
Quote from: Texas Western on February 10, 2015, 08:45:47 PM
JJJ has very good instincts , his cut through to the three point play was a good example. Nice pass from Derrick.
JJJ plays with very good instincts. He comes off screens/curls generally VERY aggressively and it leads to good things. When he sees a crease, its full speed ahead, no hesitation. Would have liked to see him convert a couple more of the shots though including nice midrange pull up from elbow (reminiscent of Vander junior year.)
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 10, 2015, 09:05:18 PM
Considering how the wheels came off I'll take a 3-point deficit. Not having Carlino makes things tough. Need to make threes if Xavier is taking away passing lanes and the easy interior looks we saw early. Onus is on Sandy and Duane to extend the defense.
Why doesn't that onus apply to Derrick? Just asking.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 10, 2015, 09:11:06 PM
And as usual, Derrick will play the whole game...because,,,his stats deserve it. He also had two fouls, but did not sit. Hope he does not get into foul trouble. We will need his clang FT's at crunch time.
That was a head scratcher. I know we only got 7 guys. But he had 2 fouls and was playing like ass and still wasn't pulled even for a minute
Quote from: LloydsLegs on February 10, 2015, 09:06:16 PM
Mrs. Legs recuprating from some surgery, and her MU roommate brought over some black bean soup with a nice kick (more for me than for Mrs. Legs-gotta love those MU friends!). A Pipeworks imperial stout is a perfect match.
Temptation small batch bourbon.
Obviously love the first 6 hate the last 14. But i think JjJ has 16 minutes (guess) so we're only 9 minutes until the winning run!!!!!
**yes, i want JjJ to totally realize his potential and will be ecstatic when he does. Really looking for the magic 25**
Quote from: willie warrior on February 10, 2015, 09:11:06 PM
And as usual, Derrick will play the whole game...because,,,his stats deserve it. He also had two fouls, but did not sit. Hope he does not get into foul trouble. We will need his clang FT's at crunch time.
We're his rebounds and assists "bad"?
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on February 10, 2015, 09:07:30 PM
Du hit the three and walked the next time down, shooting and making it as the whistle blew. Hopefully he's feeling it this next half.
That was not a walk. His foot never moved--anticipation call by the ref. Is Burr in the house?
jjj 2 for 8, missing wide open shots, a couple of wildd drives and one really nice drive; Sandy 0 for 3. Need both to step up.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 10, 2015, 09:12:16 PM
True .. I think I've only heard 4-5 of these in-huddle bits .. but all of them have been fluff. Keep waiting for some coaching adjustment speak, but so far zip.
And I would be willing to be that's exactly what the producers at FS1 want us to hear: all the fluff. I don't think the coaches would appreciate the network showing the plays they draw up, in-game adjustments, match-up switches, offensive and defensive playcalls, etc... I don't recall hearing anything that much different from Wojo compared to other coaches.
Longing for November.
Fire em up Wojo!
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 10, 2015, 09:14:36 PM
We're his rebounds and assists "bad"?
Has the same amount as JJJ.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 10, 2015, 09:14:05 PM
That was a head scratcher. I know we only got 7 guys. But he had 2 fouls and was playing like ass and still wasn't pulled even for a minute
He's earning his minutes - what don't you understand about that. He has 3 assists and 2 rebounds.
Turn off the lights, the party's over.
Quote from: NersEllenson on February 10, 2015, 09:17:12 PM
Has the same amount as JJJ.
So...should they play or be benched?
Looks like the implosion is starting. Hope we can rally.
Well that was a good start to the half. Especially for a team that can't put the ball in the basket.
Actually amazing how outmatched we are talent wise. We have nobody with the confidence to hit those jab step/crossover jumpers that bluitt and Davis hit
As expected. We are getting absolutely steamrolled now.
Keep calm everyone.
We got this.
No overtime tonite, or defense!
Quote from: willie warrior on February 10, 2015, 09:11:06 PM
And as usual, Derrick will play the whole game...because,,,his stats deserve it. He also had two fouls, but did not sit. Hope he does not get into foul trouble. We will need his clang FT's at crunch time.
Nope means he will need Duane by the end of the game willing to sacrifice Derrick
Nice tech, Woj - 2 fouls called on X in 30 sec.
I personally tuned into this game to watch the refs...
Damn, Luke. You have to convert that!
We are so limited.
there we go
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 10, 2015, 09:21:07 PM
Keep calm everyone.
We got this.
Chilli going above and beyond on the drinking tonight?
sheesh. jjj giveth and he taketh away.
Need to do a better job of finding Duane when he's unguarded for the corner three.
Ners has polluted this board so much that every time JaJuan turns it over, I take a mental note that I can use as ammo in the JJJ/Derrick arguments.
Quote from: Milwarriorkee on February 10, 2015, 09:11:59 PM
Yes. It's a flip of a coin whether he's going to contribute or disappear or make bone head plays. Because he is so unreliable (and frankly, even a "good" game for him really is usually not a huge contribution) I would rather sandy take his minutes. Sandy might not always contribute as much, as today's game illustrates so far, but the gap is not so great that it outweighs getting the younger player more experience.
This is not how coaches think. Wojo will coach to win THIS game. If he would sit Juan and give his minutes to Sandy, what message does that send to the rest of the team? That we're giving up on this season? I think a message of quitting has a much more detrimental effect to the program long-term than throwing Sandy a few extra minutes. With 8 guys (7 tonight) he's still going to get plenty of minutes to gain experience.
I prefer the message Wojo is sending by playing to win now, it says that as long as he's at Marquette they are going to fight tooth and nail every single night.
I didn't know Val Ackerman was an old Harley dude
Geez Val, comb your hair.
So Micura's not a one trick pony, eh? Got a handle.
Luke has missed several point blank opportunities this half. Missed shots, travels....
JJJ Vs Everybody.....
Quote from: LloydsLegs on February 10, 2015, 09:30:40 PM
So Micura's not a one trick pony, eh? Got a handle.
Macura.
Yes, he can put it on the floor. All around guy - pass, drive, shoot from deep.. whatever you need. Good size at 6'5".
D1 Minnesota represent
Quote from: wheresthecake? on February 10, 2015, 09:27:54 PM
This is not how coaches think. Wojo will coach to win THIS game. If he would sit Juan and give his minutes to Sandy, what message does that send to the rest of the team? That we're giving up on this season? I think a message of quitting has a much more detrimental effect to the program long-term than throwing Sandy a few extra minutes. With 8 guys (7 tonight) he's still going to get plenty of minutes to gain experience.
I prefer the message Wojo is sending by playing to win now, it says that as long as he's at Marquette they are going to fight tooth and nail every single night.
Anyone that has observed these two players body of work knows that the gap in their levels of contribution (if any) is minimal. Certainly not enough of one that anyone would perceive it as "quitting."
JJJ nice court awareness and transition basket with high degree of difficulty (1 on 4)
i am not confident that we will score 40 pts in this game.
In the last 19 minutes, MU had 2 points in second half(after 7 minutes) and made a total of 4 field goals. 4 field goals in 19 minutes. That is brutal.
Quote from: Texas Western on February 10, 2015, 09:33:06 PM
JJJ nice court awareness and transition basket with high degree of difficulty (1 on 4)
+1
Can't even get the ball in play on a BOOB. Awful!
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 10, 2015, 09:32:25 PM
Macura.
Yes, he can put it on the floor. All around guy - pass, drive, shoot from deep.. whatever you need. Good size at 6'5".
D1 Minnesota represent
He is feeling it now--whole game
Looks like the MU PR machine got to the announcers about JJJ and Juan
Juan playing a complete game.
Rock Bottom
Without Carlino, it would be tough to argue if someone said this is the least dangerous offense in Division I.
Xavier freshmen kicking our ass
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on February 10, 2015, 09:27:01 PM
Ners has polluted this board so much that every time JaJuan turns it over, I take a mental note that I can use as ammo in the JJJ/Derrick arguments.
What do you do when Derrick goes on his 5 minute bender of JV girls bball?
Sorry but you all are just as bad as ners. It's amazing these debates still go on. And pathetic you wait around for fuel.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 10, 2015, 09:35:12 PM
Looks like the MU PR machine got to the announcers about JJJ and Juan
Must have. That's how it works, you know!
Major suckage.
Never heard of JP Macura but the kid can pass, shoot, dribble and defend.. Sheesh, He's "The Goods"
JP Macura is quite a talent.
Derrick wouldn't start on UWM
Announcer mentions "fatigue."
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 10, 2015, 09:28:10 PM
I didn't know Val Ackerman was an old Harley dude
HAAAA. Thought the exact same thing!
Quote from: Nevada233 on February 10, 2015, 09:38:14 PM
Never heard of Macura but the kid can pass, shoot, dribble and defend.. Sheesh...
Yep.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 10, 2015, 09:35:12 PM
Looks like the MU PR machine got to the announcers about JJJ and Juan
Except they are actually doing something on the floor to merit the praise. That's the difference.
Though I will say we looked pretty bad with Duane running the point for the last minute - between the bad inbounds pass. But then Steve Taylor throws the ball away out of a double team in the post that causes Duane to go scrambling after it.
Quote from: Nevada233 on February 10, 2015, 09:38:14 PM
Never heard of Macura but the kid can pass, shoot, dribble and defend.. Sheesh...
Has exceptional court vision.
In the first game, he sucked against us. Got yanked early.
Different player tonight.
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 10, 2015, 09:39:54 PM
In the first game, he sucked against us. Got yanked early.
Different player tonight.
25+ minutes?
So that's 15 pts. in how long?
Quote from: Milwarriorkee on February 10, 2015, 09:32:35 PM
Anyone that has observed these two players body of work knows that the gap in their levels of contribution (if any) is minimal. Certainly not enough of one that anyone would perceive it as "quitting."
You don't think the players would notice if their senior leader was relegated to the bench? I guarantee Juan is one of the best practice players. What message does it send when you practice harder than everyone, yet see your minutes reduced when you're a senior? Might be tough to recruit, retain and develop players at a program like that.
wow this is hard to watch....
From last month.. before the first meeting...
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 17, 2015, 11:02:20 AM
Hi friends,
I want you to understand that Bluiett and Macura are two incredibly gifted offensive freshmen. Have logged many hours in gyms watching both of them - Bluiett not Mr. athleticism, but flat out scores. So gifted.
I think the line reflects the fact that Xavier is excellent offensively and can create big gaps in a score quickly.
We have met the enemy and it is us. Hard to watch this team as the season winds down.
Derrick is terrible. He literally offers nothing. It's a bummer to watch.
Quote from: wheresthecake? on February 10, 2015, 09:41:52 PM
You don't think the players would notice if their senior leader was relegated to the bench? I guarantee Juan is one of the best practice players. What message does it send when you practice harder than everyone, yet see your minutes reduced when you're a senior? Might be tough to recruit, retain and develop players at a program like that.
Nah. Top talent/potential should get the most minutes no matter what. Otherwise you get transfers.
Derrick not only clangs FT's, he Kapow Bangs them.
God almighty, I am definitely not a Derrick hater but those were two of the worst FT's in memory.
It is amazing that we have assembled two of the worst 3-point shooters in college basketball on the same team. At least Derrick knows not to shoot. JuJuan has to try one every now and then due to Carlino being out, but he is as bad as they get.
For the rest of the season how about no one else suggests we might be better off without Carlino.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 10, 2015, 09:44:44 PM
God almighty, I am definitely not a Derrick hater but those were two of the worst FT's in memory.
Tough to argue that.
Quote from: Texas Western on February 10, 2015, 09:33:06 PM
JJJ nice court awareness and transition basket with high degree of difficulty (1 on 4)
Great move and finish, but this is literally the definition of poor court awareness.
So, is the no Carlino = team plays better at offense argument still valid?
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 10, 2015, 09:36:34 PM
What do you do when Derrick goes on his 5 minute bender of JV girls bball?
Sorry but you all are just as bad as ners. It's amazing these debates still go on. And pathetic you wait around for fuel.
Derrick is certainly not the best basketball player either. Been very poor tonight.
Quote from: muhoops1 on February 10, 2015, 09:43:37 PM
Derrick is terrible. He literally offers nothing. It's a bummer to watch.
Did you miss his turnaround jumper? That warranted 38 minutes in wojos eyes. His first free throw I think I caught glass in my eye.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 10, 2015, 09:45:53 PM
For the rest of the season how about no one else suggests we might be better off without Carlino.
Hahaha you just beat me to it!
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 10, 2015, 09:43:18 PM
From last month.. before the first meeting...
;D ;D ;D
Luke had 6 points in the first 4:50.
He still has 6 points, even though he has repeatedly gotten the ball in the paint.
Quote from: ecompt on February 10, 2015, 09:45:21 PM
It is amazing that we have assembled two of the worst 3-point shooters in college basketball on the same team. At least Derrick knows not to shoot. JuJuan has to try one every now and then due to Carlino being out, but he is as bad as they get.
Whether it's Cheatham, Nick N or another recruit, someone who can shoot will play a lot next year in this Wojo offensive system. No choices now.
Quote from: News: Ellenson dreams & commits to MU on February 10, 2015, 09:46:50 PM
So, is the no Carlino = team plays better at offense argument still valid?
Small sample size either way, aina?
Quote from: wheresthecake? on February 10, 2015, 09:41:52 PM
You don't think the players would notice if their senior leader was relegated to the bench? I guarantee Juan is one of the best practice players. What message does it send when you practice harder than everyone, yet see your minutes reduced when you're a senior? Might be tough to recruit, retain and develop players at a program like that.
I agree with your premise, but I have no idea if Juan is a better practice player than sandy. You seem to know, though, since you guarantee he is one of the best practice players. I don't have that kind of inside info to make such a claim.
Quote from: nyg on February 10, 2015, 09:48:27 PM
Whether it's Cheatham, Nick N or another recruit, someone who can shoot will play a lot next year in this Wojo offensive system. No choices now.
Which is why I would LOVE to have Carlino on NEXT year's team. Oh well.
Quote from: ecompt on February 10, 2015, 09:45:21 PM
It is amazing that we have assembled two of the worst 3-point shooters in college basketball on the same team. At least Derrick knows not to shoot. JuJuan has to try one every now and then due to Carlino being out, but he is as bad as they get.
Yup.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on February 10, 2015, 09:46:19 PM
Great move and finish, but this is literally the definition of poor court awareness.
If only he waited for Derrick to dribble the air out of the ball
This is brutal. I hope they show the Focus commercial so I can see Margot Robbie again.
I don't believe that the MU cheerleaders are sincerely that happy right now
We would have benefitted from having Deonte and Dawson in a game like this.
Quote from: Shark on February 10, 2015, 09:50:40 PM
If only he waited for Derrick to dribble the air out of the ball
I'm not a really a derrick defender. Just was a funny post. Praise the guy for court awareness after going 1 on 4
Juan!!
That was a walk on freshmen move.....
Freshman guards Bluiett & Macura w/23 points on 67.6% eFG, 5:35 left in the game.
Chicos finds these data points... "interesting"
Stainedpants make his Ft's. Gotta give him that.
Ugh what is our FT% tonight?
The effort is there. Defensively we are not bad despite being undersized. Our issue is just a complete lack of talent. Need next year's class to be as advertised.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on February 10, 2015, 09:59:14 PM
The effort is there. Defensively we are not bad despite being undersized. Our issue is just a complete lack of talent. Need next year's class to be as advertised.
7 top 100 players
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 10, 2015, 09:57:35 PM
Ugh what is our FT% tonight?
While it's usually not 40% bad. It's always pretty bad. No Matt makes this more reasonable
Derrick does need to sit and it's hard to figure out how he doesn't. Du is throwing the ball away, Luke doing nothing since the first minutes, and the rest of the team generally terrible.
Come back quickly Matt.
Quote from: News: Ellenson dreams & commits to MU on February 10, 2015, 09:59:50 PM
A very hot 40% 4/10
Sounds about right. Guessing there are some missed front ends too. Yeesht.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 10, 2015, 09:54:03 PM
Freshman guards Bluiett & Macura w/23 points on 67.6% eFG, 5:35 left in the game.
Chicos finds these data points... "interesting"
I find the divorce rate at 38% much more interesting, but yes I find these interesting as well. Steve Taylor was great the other night. Tonight, non-existent. Sometimes guys step up, and sometimes they don't.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 10, 2015, 10:00:18 PM
7 top 100 players
Doesn't matter. Duane and Luke are the only two who have proven their ranking and they are both underclassmen. Just watch the games. We have no players as talented as Davis, Bluitt, macura
I'd like everyone who argued that we were a better team without Carlino to please show yourself, and continue your argument here. WHERE ARE YOU NOW??? WHAT SAY YOU NOW?!?!?!?!
Myles Davis is only 21??
That hairline looks more like 39......
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 10, 2015, 09:48:20 PM
Luke had 6 points in the first 4:50.
He still has 6 points, even though he has repeatedly gotten the ball in the paint.
luke has been brutal after that nice start. suppose we could say the same for everyone. what a mess...
Yeah let's bench Juan the guy diving on the floor giving max effort w two mins left in a blowout.
Quote from: Milwarriorkee on February 10, 2015, 09:49:33 PM
I agree with your premise, but I have no idea if Juan is a better practice player than sandy. You seem to know, though, since you guarantee he is one of the best practice players. I don't have that kind of inside info to make such a claim.
I know he's more qualified to evaluate talent than I am, so if he's giving more minutes to Juan than Sandy, Juan must be performing better in games, practice, classroom, or whatever else Wojo asks of them.
My point is that I don't need to see practice to surmise that Juan is a better practice player. I trust that Wojo knows what he's doing. I believe he's sending the right message to these kids that when you play for Marquette, you NEVER give up whether it's in a game, a season, a job, life, you name it.
He's also sending the message that when you play for Wojo, he will NEVER give up on you. Remember - Sandy, Duane, et al. will become seniors eventually too. Don't you think they want to know that Wojo will have their back when their seniors just like he's had Juan's and Derrick's? If he just cast Derrick and Juan to the bench, don't you think they would wonder if the same could happen to them at the end of their careers in favor of the younger players?
Juan played well all night.
The other 4 starters each had moments, but too many lapses.
The 2 subs were invisible.
Bring on the twins!
Love Duane standing up for Luke.
Quote from: wheresthecake? on February 10, 2015, 10:07:06 PM
I know he's more qualified to evaluate talent than I am, so if he's giving more minutes to Juan than Sandy, Juan must be performing better in games, practice, classroom, or whatever else Wojo asks of them.
My point is that I don't need to see practice to surmise that Juan is a better practice player. I trust that Wojo knows what he's doing. I believe he's sending the right message to these kids that when you play for Marquette, you NEVER give up whether it's in a game, a season, a job, life, you name it.
He's also sending the message that when you play for Wojo, he will NEVER give up on you. Remember - Sandy, Duane, et al. will become seniors eventually too. Don't you think they want to know that Wojo will have their back when their seniors just like he's had Juan's and Derrick's? If he just cast Derrick and Juan to the bench, don't you think they would wonder if the same could happen to them at the end of their careers in favor of the younger players?
Juan must be an all american in practice...
Way to go Duane stick up for your guys!
Bring on the Twins +2
Liked seeing Duane get after Reynolds there. Good sign for his leadership, though in the future I hope he does it without contact.
Quote from: RideMyBuycks on February 10, 2015, 10:10:18 PM
Love Duane standing up for Luke.
Yup, but bigman Taylor standing right there should have, well........
Luke is exceptional at blocking shots
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 10, 2015, 10:10:56 PM
Liked seeing Duane get after Reynolds there. Good sign for his leadership, though in the future I hope he does it without contact.
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Eh, not sure I would call that "contact." Sure, physical contact, but not baskeball scrum contact.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 10, 2015, 10:10:56 PM
Liked seeing Duane get after Reynolds there. Good sign for his leadership, though in the future I hope he does it without contact.
Yep. Could have T'd up Duane there too.
Quote from: nyg on February 10, 2015, 10:11:16 PM
Yup, but bigman Taylor standing right there should have, well........
Steve is only here so he doesn't get fined........
Quote from: wheresthecake? on February 10, 2015, 10:07:06 PM
I know he's more qualified to evaluate talent than I am, so if he's giving more minutes to Juan than Sandy, Juan must be performing better in games, practice, classroom, or whatever else Wojo asks of them.
My point is that I don't need to see practice to surmise that Juan is a better practice player. I trust that Wojo knows what he's doing. I believe he's sending the right message to these kids that when you play for Marquette, you NEVER give up whether it's in a game, a season, a job, life, you name it.
He's also sending the message that when you play for Wojo, he will NEVER give up on you. Remember - Sandy, Duane, et al. will become seniors eventually too. Don't you think they want to know that Wojo will have their back when their seniors just like he's had Juan's and Derrick's? If he just cast Derrick and Juan to the bench, don't you think they would wonder if the same could happen to them at the end of their careers in favor of the younger players?
One would hope. I don't think it's so clear cut. some underclassmen might take a different message from sticking with a player(s) that aren't winning and transfer. Juan hustles his butt off and I'm sure is a great kid and student. Same with Derrick.
We might need to start a tracker: who scored more points in their last game, Henry or MU?
What an ass kicking! And the beat goes on.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 10, 2015, 10:10:56 PM
Liked seeing Duane get after Reynolds there. Good sign for his leadership, though in the future I hope he does it without contact.
+1
I don't mind the contact from Duane. Good move by him.
Quote from: Black_Sands on February 10, 2015, 10:04:31 PM
I'd like everyone who argued that we were a better team without Carlino to please show yourself, and continue your argument here. WHERE ARE YOU NOW??? WHAT SAY YOU NOW?!?!?!?!
Really? Are you going to beat them up?
I believe the comments made were that people stepped up and played well the other day, they were aggressive, didn't just sit around and defer. I believe people also said whether that can be sustained was unknown and probably couldn't be....but good luck on your expedition.
Quote from: chapman on February 10, 2015, 10:14:59 PM
We might need to start a tracker: who scored more points in their last game, Henry or MU?
MU was outscored 59 to 28 in last 32 minutes.
Thought it was worst game played this year, almost everyone didn't play well.
Fischer was gassed after first 10 minutes
If SH didn't play its worst game this year, it would be 8 losses in a row.
Don't really know if they win another this year, just the hand Wojo was dealt.
Quote from: Nevada233 on February 10, 2015, 10:10:46 PM
Juan must be an all american in practice...
Way to go Duane stick up for your guys!
Bring on the Twins +2
Ummm, Juan was our best player tonight.
Luke has to learn to pass out of a double team and how to avoid the foot shuffling but his defense was good tonight.
Hard to stay in a game when at most you have three offensive threats on the floor.
Quote from: nyg on February 10, 2015, 10:19:11 PM
MU was outscored 59 to 28 in last 32 minutes.
Thought it was worst game played this year, almost everyone didn't play well.
Fischer was gassed after first 10 minutes
If SH didn't play its worst game this year, it would be 8 losses in a row.
Don't really know if they win another this year, just the hand Wojo was dealt himself
Wojo didn't have to go hard a$$ on Todd Mayo and run him off. Wojo also lost Burton and Dawson. No doubt this team could have used Burton's absolute talent and ability to score. Dawson could have contributed to this team too.
It is what it is. But if WOJO were a ticker symbol - I wouldn't be buying.
Has Steve Taylor checked in yet? 0 points, 0 FGA.
Out rebounded by 11 at home. Not good.
Quote from: forgetful on February 10, 2015, 10:19:55 PM
Ummm, Juan was our best player tonight.
5/7 Fg 1-1 3pt 2 asst 9 rbds 2 blks, 11 pts., 3 TO's (only bad stat). Yes he was our best player.
Quote from: NersEllenson on February 10, 2015, 10:28:28 PM
Wojo didn't have to go hard a$$ on Todd Mayo and run him off. Wojo also lost Burton and Dawson. No doubt this team could have used Burton's absolute talent and ability to score. Dawson could have contributed to this team too.
It is what it is. But if WOJO were a ticker symbol - I wouldn't be buying.
What would Wojo have to accomplish in the next five years to change your mind?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 10, 2015, 10:37:45 PM
What would Wojo have to accomplish in the next five years to change your mind?
Hand over the coaching reins to Ners.
Quote from: NersEllenson on February 10, 2015, 10:28:28 PM
Wojo didn't have to go hard a$$ on Todd Mayo and run him off. Wojo also lost Burton and Dawson. No doubt this team could have used Burton's absolute talent and ability to score. Dawson could have contributed to this team too.
It is what it is. But if WOJO were a ticker symbol - I wouldn't be buying.
Mayo basically ran himself off
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 10, 2015, 10:37:45 PM
What would Wojo have to accomplish in the next five years to change your mind?
100 wins in his first 5 years on the job. Crean did it (inheriting a much worse situation). Buzz did it, and had an empty cupboard his second year on the job - could be argued more depleted than what this current Wojo team is. Particularly when you realize he lost a 4-star All Big East freshman after his first semester of sophomore year and a 3 star 1st semester sophomore. Meanwhile we scramble to sign 3 star players to fill our open 3 scholarships.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 10, 2015, 10:18:48 PM
Really? Are you going to beat them up?
I believe the comments made were that people stepped up and played well the other day, they were aggressive, didn't just sit around and defer. I believe people also said whether that can be sustained was unknown and probably couldn't be....but good luck on your expedition.
I don't disagree that people stepped up and played well the other day, they were aggressive, didn't just sit around and defer. Once again, we're not a better team without Carlino as some were arguing heavily.
Quote from: NersEllenson on February 10, 2015, 10:28:28 PM
It is what it is. But if WOJO were a ticker symbol - I wouldn't be buying.
Hopefully you didn't buy JJJ when it ipo'd at $25 in November 2013 - you'd be down 90% by now.
Quote from: NersEllenson on February 10, 2015, 10:43:51 PM
100 wins in his first 5 years on the job. Crean did it (inheriting a much worse situation). Buzz did it, and had an empty cupboard his second year on the job - could be argued more depleted than what this current Wojo team is. Particularly when you realize he lost a 4-star All Big East freshman after his first semester of sophomore year and a 3 star 1st semester sophomore. Meanwhile we scramble to sign 3 star players to fill our open 3 scholarships.
Really? A team with two future NBA 1st Round picks and a couple of sharp-shooting senior guards was a "more depleted" team than a team with one player who averaged more than 13.5 minutes and no one who averaged more than 7 ppg?
You truly believe that?
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 10, 2015, 11:04:55 PM
Really? A team with two future NBA 1st Round picks and a couple of sharp-shooting senior guards was a "more depleted" team than a team with one player who averaged more than 13.5 minutes and no one who averaged more than 7 ppg?
You truly believe that?
Again, I look at what the roster was the day Wojo signed on the dotted line... Todd Mayo, Deonte Burton, John Dawson. Then he added Carlino...before he essentially kicked Todd off the team.
No, the team doesn't have an equal as to what Lazar was to that 2nd team of Buzz's. Yet, I believe Mayo/Carlino/Burton are very close to what Lazar/DJO/Jimmy comprised - with Jimmy being in his 2nd year of high major ball, and DJO his first. Carlino a 5 year guy, Mayo a 4 year guy, and Burton of course a sophomore.
Quote from: NersEllenson on February 10, 2015, 11:11:15 PM
Again, I look at what the roster was the day Wojo signed on the dotted line... Todd Mayo, Deonte Burton, John Dawson. Then he added Carlino...before he essentially kicked Todd off the team.
No, the team doesn't have an equal as to what Lazar was to that 2nd team of Buzz's. Yet, I believe Mayo/Carlino/Burton are very close to what Lazar/DJO/Jimmy comprised - with Jimmy being in his 2nd year of high major ball, and DJO his first. Carlino a 5 year guy, Mayo a 4 year guy, and Burton of course a sophomore.
Buzz brought in DJO and Buycks that season so I wasn't even including them. That means the team had 4 future NBA players on the roster. Does MU even have any D-League players on the current roster?
You're entitled to your opinion, but I see no way that Mayo/Carlino/Burton would have come close to matching the Lazar/DJO/Jimmy line of 46-16.5-6 on 46.3% shooting and 41.4% from 3.
To each his own...
Quote from: NersEllenson on February 10, 2015, 10:28:28 PM
Wojo didn't have to go hard a$$ on Todd Mayo and run him off. Wojo also lost Burton and Dawson. No doubt this team could have used Burton's absolute talent and ability to score. Dawson could have contributed to this team too.
It is what it is. But if WOJO were a ticker symbol - I wouldn't be buying.
If you have actual "inside" info, I might buy into your statements about Wojo and Mayo. But you've never said you have that. Other people have said they know exactly what happened this summer and they have repeatedly stated that the decision on whether Mayo stayed or left was not up to Wojo. But you keep placing it on Wojo over and over. Why?
Here we go again.
Ners destroys another thread.
Quote from: NersEllenson on February 10, 2015, 11:11:15 PM
Again, I look at what the roster was the day Wojo signed on the dotted line... Todd Mayo, Deonte Burton, John Dawson. Then he added Carlino...before he essentially kicked Todd off the team.
No, the team doesn't have an equal as to what Lazar was to that 2nd team of Buzz's. Yet, I believe Mayo/Carlino/Burton are very close to what Lazar/DJO/Jimmy comprised - with Jimmy being in his 2nd year of high major ball, and DJO his first. Carlino a 5 year guy, Mayo a 4 year guy, and Burton of course a sophomore.
Todd kicked himself off the team.
I believe that if Deonte's mother hadn't passed he would still be here. Even if that's not true, the decision to leave is on Burton. It's not Wojo's job to give players the minutes they think they deserve.
Dawson transferred to a Big South cellar dweller to find playing time. Enough said.
You really think that one guy who's coming off the bench in the D-League, one guy who may or may not end up in the league in three years, and another who will never sniff the NBA are equal to three guys who got drafted? One of whom is playing in the all star game next weekend? You must have really high hopes for Burton because DJO/Hayward >>>>>>> Mayo/Carlino. You must be expecting Burton to be twice as good as Jimmy Butler...the all star.
If I had to draft those six players you just listed I would draft them:
1. Jimmy
2. Lazar
3. DJO
4. Carlino
5. Burton
6. Mayo