Does anyone know why he has not been playing? The gamer in the State Journal mentioned that SP played their third straight game with NN watching from the sidelines in street clothes.
He tweeted on 12/27 that he needs to get healthy so that he can get back on the court with the guys.
The reason he is missing games is not because of his health. Train wreck!
Quote from: thebadge10 on January 04, 2015, 01:19:45 PM
The reason he is missing games is not because of his health. Train wreck!
This is wrong. He was suspended for one quarter earlier this year. Now he's hurt. But keep on pumping that agenda
Something is fishy. He hasn't been traveling with the team for "undisclosed personal reasons" according to one article.
In another article, an opposing coach heard that he's on a family trip.
Weird.
Quote from: thebadge10 on January 04, 2015, 01:19:45 PM
The reason he is missing games is not because of his health. Train wreck!
If we have such an inferiority complex like all badger fans say then howcome you guys always post on out message boards?
PS: We still have Ellenson.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 04, 2015, 01:32:22 PM
Something is fishy. He hasn't been traveling with the team for "undisclosed personal reasons" according to one article.
In another article, an opposing coach heard that he's on a family trip.
Weird.
I haven't heard anything substantive, but I see smoke.
Quote from: mubb34 on January 04, 2015, 12:45:45 PM
He tweeted on 12/27 that he needs to get healthy so that he can get back on the court with the guys.
Stay with his tweets.
I hope the kids gets better and stronger before he returns.
And if it is a medical issue, no one here has the right to know what it is. And the school has no right to announce it.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on January 04, 2015, 01:39:17 PM
Stay with his tweets.
I hope the kids gets better and stronger before he returns.
Hey, what happened to the Niners, man? Must suck this playoff season.
Quote from: brandx on January 04, 2015, 01:43:59 PM
no one here has the right to know what it is.
How dare you! Do you know who we are??? We are Scoop!
Maybe, philosophically, you belong over on the Dodds board?
The actual tweet:
Nick Noskowiak
@NickNoskowiak
Need to get healthy so I can get back on the court with my guys
9:20 AM - 27 Dec 2014
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 04, 2015, 01:38:34 PM
I haven't heard anything substantive, but I see smoke.
Second that emotion.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on January 04, 2015, 01:29:14 PM
This is wrong. He was suspended for one quarter earlier this year. Now he's hurt. But keep on pumping that agenda
he is likely being disciplined for not committing to Bucky.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on January 04, 2015, 01:50:11 PM
The actual tweet:
Nick Noskowiak
@NickNoskowiak
Need to get healthy so I can get back on the court with my guys
9:20 AM - 27 Dec 2014
Hmmm. I still marvel at grown men following HS kids tweets. Now that is squirmy.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 04, 2015, 01:38:34 PM
I haven't heard anything substantive, but I see smoke.
Our RA on Schroeder 10N always made that accusation...
Quote from: keefe on January 04, 2015, 04:27:11 PM
Our RA on Schroeder 10N always made that accusation...
Rocky was looking so he could join in.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 04, 2015, 02:45:58 PM
Hmmm. I still marvel at grown men following HS kids tweets. Now that is squirmy.
You marvel at it? Well then...
Quote from: wadesworld on January 04, 2015, 04:40:50 PM
You marvel at it? Well then...
It's funny how out of sorts some people get over stuff like that. Following a player's Twitter is no different than going to a high school or AAU game to watch a recruit. They are putting on a display that is intended for the public. If you are uncomfortable following Twitter feeds, you should be just as uncomfortable watching basketball. It's the 21st century, it's just an extension of the game.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 04, 2015, 04:45:47 PM
It's funny how out of sorts some people get over stuff like that. Following a player's Twitter is no different than going to a high school or AAU game to watch a recruit. They are putting on a display that is intended for the public. If you are uncomfortable following Twitter feeds, you should be just as uncomfortable watching basketball. It's the 21st century, it's just an extension of the game.
Following a kid's twitter is a lot different than going to a HS game to see how the player competes. If you don't see that...well, then...
I understand why you think that, but I whole heartedly disagree. It shows a lack of understanding social media. In many ways, everyone is trying to be noticed, trying to get attention. You may not like that or desire it yourself, but anyone on Twitter is there for that purpose. Why else do people pay for followers?
If you want to condemn someone for it, blame the parents that allow it. Twitter is an information source and anyone putting information out there is doing it publicly because they want people to see them. Just like when they play their sport.
I'm not saying you should troll them, interact, or harass them when they choose another school, but social media is a tool and information source and subscribing to that isn't squirmy, it's just modern reality. If you don't want to participate so be it, but condemning it just makes you sound like a technological dinosaur that thinks people shouldn't use email or own smartphones.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 04, 2015, 05:43:49 PM
I understand why you think that, but I whole heartedly disagree. It shows a lack of understanding social media. In many ways, everyone is trying to be noticed, trying to get attention. You may not like that or desire it yourself, but anyone on Twitter is there for that purpose. Why else do people pay for followers?
If you want to condemn someone for it, blame the parents that allow it. Twitter is an information source and anyone putting information out there is doing it publicly because they want people to see them. Just like when they play their sport.
I'm not saying you should troll them, interact, or harass them when they choose another school, but social media is a tool and information source and subscribing to that isn't squirmy, it's just modern reality. If you don't want to participate so be it, but condemning it just makes you sound like a technological dinosaur that thinks people shouldn't use email or own smartphones.
Yeah because not agreeing with the use of every technology that comes out makes one a technological dinosaur...
You seem to think that watching someone play basketball is the same as reading tweets about a 15 year old kid experiencing heartbreak for the first time, spewing personal phlegm into the twitterverse after their parents ground them or watching a young man develop a voice and see the consequences of reaching a national audience for the first time. Yes some of them stick to tweeting about basketball but not most of them and because you can't choose to not see personal tweets by following these kids you see everything. While some people are okay with all of this (something I dont agree with, but respect their opinion) it does NOT mean they are one in the same and you making that parallel makes you look like a old man trying to prove to the youngsters he's still hip by using their language and lingo.
It is possible to read a tweet without following a person. You can go to someone's Twitter feed to see if they've said anything about why, in this case, that person has not been playing basketball. Being on Twitter isn't an all or nothing experience.
Quote from: WolverineWarrior85 on January 04, 2015, 06:44:36 PM
It is possible to read a tweet without following a person. You can go to someone's Twitter feed to see if they've said anything about why, in this case, that person has not been playing basketball. Being on Twitter isn't an all or nothing experience.
Yeah, I mean it is a public forum. It's not as though someone is hacking into his email account.
Quote from: WolverineWarrior85 on January 04, 2015, 06:44:36 PM
It is possible to read a tweet without following a person. You can go to someone's Twitter feed to see if they've said anything about why, in this case, that person has not been playing basketball. Being on Twitter isn't an all or nothing experience.
Yup, I don't follow Kaminsky but I tweeted at him after he made that comment about the "we are" chant.
Quote from: WolverineWarrior85 on January 04, 2015, 06:44:36 PM
It is possible to read a tweet without following a person. You can go to someone's Twitter feed to see if they've said anything about why, in this case, that person has not been playing basketball. Being on Twitter isn't an all or nothing experience.
Not to mention that you are not "stalking" them. They (the tweeter) is advertising to the public.
NN is doing fine . Had several great games to start the year. Has been doing well in school and is a great cheer leader for our program and keeps working hard to get good recruits. Let him enjoy being a senior.
Quote from: thebadge10 on January 04, 2015, 01:19:45 PM
The reason he is missing games is not because of his health. Train wreck!
Badger scum.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 04, 2015, 07:24:56 PM
NN is doing fine . Had several great games to start the year. Has been doing well in school and is a great cheer leader for our program and keeps working hard to get good recruits. Let him enjoy being a senior.
+1
Odd thread.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 04, 2015, 05:43:49 PM
I understand why you think that, but I whole heartedly disagree. It shows a lack of understanding social media.
What the hell do you know about social media??!!
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 04, 2015, 04:30:47 PM
Rocky was looking so he could join in.
Rocky was no stranger to herbal refreshment...
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 04, 2015, 01:38:34 PM
I haven't heard anything substantive, but I see smoke.
Golly, between this crap and the stuff in the Stone thread, doesn't it ever get old to pick on high school kids?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 04, 2015, 01:38:34 PM
I haven't heard anything substantive, but I see smoke.
Cmon man, you're better than that.
Quote from: ChitownJuan on January 04, 2015, 07:10:41 PM
Yup, I don't follow Kaminsky but I tweeted at him after he made that comment about the "we are" chant.
I didn't hear about this. What did he say?
Quote from: buckchuckler on January 04, 2015, 10:57:05 PM
Golly, between this crap and the stuff in the Stone thread, doesn't it ever get old to pick on high school kids?
I'm not picking on anyone. I am simply confirming what Skatastrophy said.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 04, 2015, 01:38:34 PM
I haven't heard anything substantive, but I see smoke.
Your grasping at straws
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 04, 2015, 01:38:34 PM
I haven't heard anything substantive, but I see smoke.
BTW, just so you know, I do not mean anything by "I see smoke." Just meant that I have heard a couple things but nothing verified. I agree that something is "fishy."
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 05, 2015, 10:59:50 AM
BTW, just so you know, I do not mean anything by "I see smoke." Just meant that I have heard a couple things but nothing verified. I agree that something is "fishy."
So you meant "I don't mean this the wrong way, but I see smoke."
Quote from: Lazars Headband on January 05, 2015, 11:19:11 AM
So you meant "I don't mean this the wrong way, but I see smoke."
Yeah but keefe took it somewhere I wasn't comfortable with.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 05, 2015, 11:24:42 AM
Yeah but keefe took it somewhere I wasn't comfortable with.
Perhaps next time the two of you should establish a safe word.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 04, 2015, 05:43:49 PM
Twitter is an information source and anyone putting information out there is doing it publicly because they want people to see them. Just like when they play their sport.
I don't think anybody is saying it's private information -- clearly it's not. I think he was just saying that he's surprised anyone follows them (i.e., it's not his thing). He doesn't seem too "out of sorts" about it. I don't personally have a problem with it...even though it's not my thing either (although I'm not sure I'd consider it "squirmy"). And I don't think following a HS athlete on twitter is even remotely comparable to attending a HS basketball game. Sure, they're both out in public, but I think the differences outweigh the similarities.
By the way, it's all relative. I know several people who "marvel" that I even bother to spend time reading a Marquette basketball message board. My wife is one, and she happens to be a Marquette grad herself.
Boom! This likely applies to 75% of this board - spousal eye rolling, disgust, annoyed feelings.
Quote from: Schmidtyfactor on January 05, 2015, 01:17:09 PM
Boom! This likely applies to 75% of this board - spousal eye rolling, disgust, annoyed feelings.
That's how it is in my house, except that it is jsglow doing the eye-rolling. ;D
Quote from: Schmidtyfactor on January 05, 2015, 01:17:09 PM
Boom! This likely applies to 75% of this board - spousal eye rolling, disgust, annoyed feelings.
+1
Quote from: Warrior Code on January 05, 2015, 01:18:01 AM
I didn't hear about this. What did he say?
It wasn't directed at Marquette. Penn State does the We Are chant and Kaminsky made some sarcastic comment to the effect of "I'm glad they do that chant otherwise I'd have no idea who they are"
It was Brust who followed up with a tweet directing the insult to Marquette...
Quote from: mu03eng on January 05, 2015, 01:55:42 PM
It wasn't directed at Marquette. Penn State does the We Are chant and Kaminsky made some sarcastic comment to the effect of "I'm glad they do that chant otherwise I'd have no idea who they are"
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 05, 2015, 02:01:45 PM
It was Brust who followed up with a tweet directing the insult to Marquette...
Burst's pissed off because he recently found out what a loser he is.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 05, 2015, 11:24:42 AM
Yeah but keefe took it somewhere I wasn't comfortable with.
My comment had nothing to do with NN
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 05, 2015, 10:59:50 AM
BTW, just so you know, I do not mean anything by "I see smoke." Just meant that I have heard a couple things but nothing verified. I agree that something is "fishy."
well, what did you hear??
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 04, 2015, 07:44:41 PM
Badger scum.
Is there any other kind? Don't really care about their teams—but absolutely detest their fans.
Quote from: Groin_pull on January 05, 2015, 03:53:49 PM
Is there any other kind? Don't really care about their teams—but absolutely detest their fans.
They have a 3 page thread on the Depaul loss where posters are working themselves into a lather throwing around mid-major, mediocre conference, and calling Ellenson selfish and self-centered. When a poster suggested the thread itself was evidence of Marquette not being mid-major, he is roundly mocked and more comparisons to UWM and UWGB are made.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 05, 2015, 08:44:18 AM
I'm not picking on anyone. I am simply confirming what Skatastrophy said.
Ok sorry my bad, let me rephrase,
Golly, between this crap and the stuff in the Stone thread, doesn't it ever get old to spread rumor and innuendo about high school kids?
Quote from: buckchuckler on January 05, 2015, 04:01:42 PM
Ok sorry my bad, let me rephrase,
Golly, between this crap and the stuff in the Stone thread, doesn't it ever get old to spread rumor and innuendo about high school kids?
I only say things when I have something of substance to back it up. Not merely rumor.
Got a problem with it? Then complain to the mods or put me on ignore. Either way I don't care.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 05, 2015, 04:08:54 PM
I only say things when I have something of substance to back it up. Not merely rumor.
Got a problem with it? Then complain to the mods or put me on ignore. Either way I don't care.
Actually I like this better, while a guy that is willing to spread crap about a HS kid is probably already quite the curmudgeon, I enjoyed adding a little irritation to your day.
Quote from: JWags85 on January 05, 2015, 03:59:45 PM
They have a 3 page thread on the Depaul loss where posters are working themselves into a lather throwing around mid-major, mediocre conference, and calling Ellenson selfish and self-centered. When a poster suggested the thread itself was evidence of Marquette not being mid-major, he is roundly mocked and more comparisons to UWM and UWGB are made.
And they say we have the inferiorty complex.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on January 04, 2015, 02:22:55 PM
Second that emotion.
If you feel like giving Scoop a lifetime of devotion...
Quote from: buckchuckler on January 05, 2015, 07:09:07 PM
Actually I like this better, while a guy that is willing to spread crap about a HS kid is probably already quite the curmudgeon, I enjoyed adding a little irritation to your day.
It's important to have a goal in life.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 05, 2015, 04:08:54 PM
I only say things when I have something of substance to back it up. Not merely rumor.
Got a problem with it? Then complain to the mods or put me on ignore. Either way I don't care.
You ever planning on backing it up????
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 04, 2015, 01:38:34 PM
I haven't heard anything substantive, but I see smoke.
Is it wrong that I just assumed that someone's hair might have been on fire?
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 05, 2015, 11:04:06 PM
If you feel like giving Scoop a lifetime of devotion...
Maybe you'd like to give me kisses sweet?
Quote from: keefe on January 05, 2015, 02:05:22 PM
My comment had nothing to do with NN
Facts never get in the way of Sultans statements.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 06, 2015, 12:01:20 AM
You ever planning on backing it up????
If you are asking me if I am ever going to post the details of what I have heard regarding NN in a public forum, the answer is no.
Quote from: keefe on January 04, 2015, 01:44:25 PM
Hey, what happened to the Niners, man? Must suck this playoff season.
Yup.
- Jim's not a people person. At least, not an ownership people person.
- He stuck with OC Greg Roman. His death kiss. The dude didn't even bring him with him on his journey to UM! Must've been the 30th rated second half offense in the league.
- York is young and made a big mistake.
- But Harbaugh is loyal...to a fault.
- Jim, Roman and Kap were victims of their own success: getting to the SB so early set the bar REALLY high and unreasonable for them.
- Kap's regression (or misuse)
- Offense woes couldn't be overcome by the highest number of players on the IR this season in the NFL despite much of them in the Defense...which was a top 5 defense this year.
- Did I mention the OFFENSE WAS HORRIBLE despite looking formidable on paper?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 06, 2015, 12:08:14 PM
If you are asking me if I am ever going to post the details of what I have heard regarding NN in a public forum, the answer is no.
Then why even go on about how you "see smoke" and other bs?
This is like Ners level attention whore right here.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 06, 2015, 12:20:17 PM
Then why even go on about how you "see smoke" and other bs?
Because someone claimed that "thebadge" was "pumping an agenda" for saying it wasn't because of his health.
Thebadge was correct.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 06, 2015, 12:20:17 PM
This is like Ners level attention whore right here.
If I wanted "Ners level attention," I would have posted about it when I heard about it. Which was early last week. I only posted about it to correct something that was stated wrong.
Saying "I know, but I can't tell you what I heard" is far more harmful than "Here's what I heard..." The former leaves people guessing and the rumors grow - usually worse and worse. The latter allows people to debate if it's true or not.
Quote from: DienerTime34 on January 06, 2015, 12:51:50 PM
Saying "I know, but I can't tell you what I heard" is far more harmful than "Here's what I heard..." The former leaves people guessing and the rumors grow - usually worse and worse. The latter allows people to debate if it's true or not.
I did post what I heard - that it wasn't injury related. I truly don't know what it was other than that. Posting what I heard it "might be" IMO is wrong, and I would encourage people not to make guesses in a public forum.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 06, 2015, 12:57:47 PM
I did post what I heard - that it wasn't injury related. I truly don't know what it was other than that. Posting what I heard it "might be" IMO is wrong, and I would encourage people not to make guesses in a public forum.
But didn't you post that it "might be" non-injury related??!!
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 06, 2015, 12:57:47 PM
I did post what I heard - that it wasn't injury related. I truly don't know what it was other than that. Posting what I heard it "might be" IMO is wrong, and I would encourage people not to make guesses in a public forum.
There are plenty of "public forums" not online. Marquette fans are talking everywhere. And the rumors are getting crazier and crazier. I'm saying it would help a lot if someone knew anything.
Quote from: keefe on January 06, 2015, 01:00:05 PM
But didn't you post that it "might be" non-injury related??!!
No. Didn't mean to mislead you if I did.
Quote from: DienerTime34 on January 06, 2015, 01:08:24 PM
There are plenty of "public forums" not online. Marquette fans are talking everywhere. And the rumors are getting crazier and crazier. I'm saying it would help a lot if someone knew anything.
I hear he's taking a leave of absence to have Stone's love child.
I'd tell you what the kid's name is gonna be, but I don't want to divulge that in a public forum.
I heard this thing, and I have it on good authority that this thing probably might be true.
But I can't tell you what this thing is, only that it is very likely a thing, and it's a thing that I know about and you don't.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 06, 2015, 01:58:44 PM
I heard this thing, and I have it on good authority that this thing probably might be true.
But I can't tell you what this thing is, only that it is very likely a thing, and it's a thing that I know about and you don't.
I know all about the thing you're talking about it. I actually heard about it a week before you did. What's more, I've since heard that your thing isn't even true. So, in essence, your thing isn't even really a thing any more. You need better sources.
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2015, 01:39:35 PM
Stone's love child.
(http://www.sportspickle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/236cc83ea74f5b2e63e6d39b4c71c31f.gif)
I sure hope it isn't my thing that you guys are talking about. I just hate it when other people talk about my thing. Guess I just have a thing about my thing....
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 06, 2015, 02:07:43 PM
I know all about the thing you're talking about it. I actually heard about it a week before you did. What's more, I've since heard that your thing isn't even true. So, in essence, your thing isn't even really a thing any more. You need better sources.
Are you sure we're talking about the same thing?
My sources tell me the thing wasn't even a thing until well after your sources told you about that other thing.
But as for that other thing, I also heard that it really wasn't a thing at all.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 06, 2015, 02:12:17 PM
I sure hope it isn't my thing that you guys are talking about. I just hate it when other people talk about my thing. Guess I just have a thing about my thing....
No...don't worry. Your thing is so small and insignificant that nobody ever talks about it.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 06, 2015, 02:14:24 PM
No...don't worry. Your thing is so small and insignificant that nobody ever talks about it.
Wait - you just talked about it. I hate it when my golf handicap goes public.
Scoop is amazing.
Whenever someone shares something on here, you get one of the following responses:
1. "You are wrong."
2. "If you are not wrong, you need to share everything."
3. "If you don't share everything, you are being a dick."
I backed up something that was posted here that corrected some misinformation. Would you rather I say nothing?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 06, 2015, 02:16:15 PM
Scoop is amazing.
Whenever someone shares something on here, you get one of the following responses:
1. "You are wrong."
2. "If you are not wrong, you need to share everything."
3. "If you don't share everything, you are being a dick."
I backed up something that was posted here that corrected some misinformation.
For the most part, most (myself included) are just pulling your chain. Lighten up.
That said, as someone who's done battle with Chico's for the most "I know something you don't know" posts around here, what do you expect?
Don't throw gas on a fire and feign shock when it results in flames.
QuoteWould you rather I say nothing?
Maybe it's time to start a poll ....
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 06, 2015, 02:16:15 PM
Scoop is amazing.
Whenever someone shares something on here, you get one of the following responses:
1. "You are wrong."
2. "If you are not wrong, you need to share everything."
3. "If you don't share everything, you are being a dick."
I backed up something that was posted here that corrected some misinformation. Would you rather I say nothing?
Welcome to Scoop! You must be new here.
Just kidding. Actually, you do get a lot of that. Occasionally, people appreciate it and say thanks, but that is rare. Fortunately, I never know anything (except for that thing I was telling Pakuni about, but that's pretty under the radar), so I don't have the problem.
I always find it very entertaining watching people try to pry inside information out of those who have it (or claim to have it).
If I ever do have any inside information (aside from that thing that Pakuni knows nothing about), I won't burn my sources either.
I know nothing.
Signed,
Colonel Clink
Quote from: keefe on January 06, 2015, 02:08:35 PM
(http://www.sportspickle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/236cc83ea74f5b2e63e6d39b4c71c31f.gif)
The hell is that thing?
I've come to the conclusion there are two camps of Scoopers: Those that paint by numbers and those that try to paint free hand. Both are trying to get the same painting as the master painting.
The freehand painting group is all about pulling nuggets, big or small, true or wildly stupid, etc and create their own painting. They are ok with that the painting may not be what actually gets made, but its a puzzle to solve and solve
The paint by numbers group wants to know exactly how to arrive at the master painting and to get their as fast as possible with no errors and no confusion.
Basically one group is comfortable with ambiguity and one is not.
Neither is right or wrong, but know who you are and be comfortable in it. Sultan, I got bent out of shape on a similar instance a month ago, but I realized its not worth it. I'm going to share what I know when I can because I hope others will do the same and the painting becomes more complete. If the paint by numbers folks aren't down, so be it.
#respecttheprocess
Quote from: leever on January 06, 2015, 03:22:57 PM
I know nothing.
Signed,
Colonel Clink
I believe you meant to sign that Sgt Schultz
Quote from: mu03eng on January 06, 2015, 03:34:30 PM
I've come to the conclusion there are two camps of Scoopers: Those that paint by numbers and those that try to paint free hand. Both are trying to get the same painting as the master painting.
The freehand painting group is all about pulling nuggets, big or small, true or wildly stupid, etc and create their own painting. They are ok with that the painting may not be what actually gets made, but its a puzzle to solve and solve
The paint by numbers group wants to know exactly how to arrive at the master painting and to get their as fast as possible with no errors and no confusion.
Basically one group is comfortable with ambiguity and one is not.
Neither is right or wrong, but know who you are and be comfortable in it. Sultan, I got bent out of shape on a similar instance a month ago, but I realized its not worth it. I'm going to share what I know when I can because I hope others will do the same and the painting becomes more complete. If the paint by numbers folks aren't down, so be it.
#respecttheprocess
Great and accurate analogy. But you left out the half dozen posters who would rather piss on the canvases.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 06, 2015, 02:20:47 PM
For the most part, most (myself included) are just pulling your chain. Lighten up.
That said, as someone who's done battle with Chico's for the most "I know something you don't know" posts around here, what do you expect?
Don't throw gas on a fire and feign shock when it results in flames.
Maybe it's time to start a poll ....
Pakuni is right.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 06, 2015, 02:16:15 PM
Scoop is amazing.
Whenever someone shares something on here, you get one of the following responses:
1. "You are wrong."
2. "If you are not wrong, you need to share everything."
3. "If you don't share everything, you are being a dick."
I backed up something that was posted here that corrected some misinformation. Would you rather I say nothing?
why not just say what you know and do not reveal your source?
Is there anything worthwhile to read in this thread? I don't feel like wading thru 4 pages of nothing.
Quote from: 94Warrior on January 06, 2015, 09:20:40 PM
Is there anything worthwhile to read in this thread? I don't feel like wading thru 4 pages of nothing.
I'll save you the time:
1. People are throwing vague assertions about NN at the wall and letting others jump to conclusions.
2. MU fans are for reasons unknowable to me hate-reading Badger boards' threads ripping on MU.
3. Everyone is lining up for their place in the self-gratification circle.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 06, 2015, 02:20:47 PM
For the most part, most (myself included) are just pulling your chain. Lighten up.
That said, as someone who's done battle with Chico's for the most "I know something you don't know" posts around here, what do you expect?
Don't throw gas on a fire and feign shock when it results in flames.
Maybe it's time to start a poll ....
More often than not, the stuff I knew eventually came to light....of course even when I gave clues or flat out said things like Mayo ain't likely to be here, people still like to fight....until Mayo ain't here and then they shut up. LOL
Quote from: jficke13 on January 06, 2015, 09:25:48 PM
I'll save you the time:
1. People are throwing vague assertions about NN at the wall and letting others jump to conclusions.
2. MU fans are for reasons unknowable to me hate-reading Badger boards' threads ripping on MU.
3. Everyone is lining up for their place in the self-gratification circle.
Much appreciated!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 06, 2015, 10:19:03 PM
More often than not, the stuff I knew eventually came to light....of course even when I gave clues or flat out said things like Mayo ain't likely to be here, people still like to fight....until Mayo ain't here and then they shut up. LOL
90% of the posters were saying "Mayo ain't likely to be here" from the day he stepped on campus.
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 05, 2015, 11:14:49 PM
It's important to have a goal in life.
Haha. True enough. And this is working out just splendidly.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 06, 2015, 10:19:03 PM
More often than not, the stuff I knew eventually came to light....of course even when I gave clues or flat out said things like Mayo ain't likely to be here, people still like to fight....until Mayo ain't here and then they shut up. LOL
Nobody shut up. Actually TAMU totally depantsed you on that one. The time line went something like this:
1. Chico, with insider information (LOL) says something sort of innocuous like "Are we sure Mayo is coming back" not he's gone or likely gone.
2. AFTER Chico's statement, Wojo issues the "all clear" for Todd's return, officially making Chico wrong.
3. Todd screws up again and Wojo says "No Mas". Chico does a victory lap, TAMU exposes it as BS, everyone has a good laugh (except Chico).
Your inside information was wrong. When "your source" said he may not be welcome back he was actually in good standing.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 06, 2015, 10:19:03 PM
More often than not, the stuff I knew eventually came to light....of course even when I gave clues or flat out said things like Mayo ain't likely to be here, people still like to fight....until Mayo ain't here and then they shut up. LOL
If his was true when you outed this in April, I will go out on the limb and say Wojo should never have been hired as this was a major error of commission with the roster holes we have now that he could have filled back in April. Major eff up in the Athletic Department as well if so.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 06, 2015, 11:46:10 PM
If his was true when you outed this in April, I will go out on the limb and say Wojo should never have been hired as this was a major error of commission with the roster holes we have now that he could have filled back in April. Major eff up in the Athletic Department as well if so.
Nothing he could have done about it then. You're just filling holes to fill holes, what's the point. The quality players you want to get aren't there. Short term solutions don't work.
I heard what I heard in April, it was from a very good source. It ended up being true, my source was 100% accurate. Maybe he got lucky, maybe things happened in the interim. I believe Keefe heard the same things if I recall. At the end of the day, my source said he won't be back and low and behold, he didn't come back. I did see he got suspended recently for taking a punch at someone in the NBDL....lsigh. Hope it works out for him.
I'm sure Lenny had something interesting to say as well, but since he is on ignore....well....cool...I don't give a shat what he has to say anyway, because it's usually wrong, and not having to read it saves me the headache. :D
Quote from: Mutaman on January 06, 2015, 10:47:02 PM
90% of the posters were saying "Mayo ain't likely to be here" from the day he stepped on campus.
Nope. Not at that point in his career, quite the opposite.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 07, 2015, 01:44:29 AM
Nope. Not at that point in his career, quite the opposite.
Josh Sharma to Wisconsin. Stone cold lock.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 07, 2015, 01:43:47 AM
I heard what I heard in April, it was from a very good source. It ended up being true, my source was 100% accurate.
1.February 1 - Chico announces that according to a reliable source Tiger Woods won't play in the Masters due to an injury.
2.February 15 - Tiger declares himself 100% healthy, says he will play in the Masters.
3.March 1 - Tiger breaks leg in an automobile accident, cancels plans to play in the Masters.
4.March 2 - the end of time. Chico says he and his source have been proven correct. Everybody has a good laugh.
I sometimes post vague tidbits about things I have become aware of. I don't post more because my sources read scoop and have asked me specifically not to post what I've heard on scoop. If I post more, I will no longer get information passed my way. It's that simple. This probably pisses some people off but sharing information about mubb is what this site is for. Would share more if I could but I can't.
Same is true for other I imagine.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 07, 2015, 12:53:34 PM
I sometimes post vague tidbits about things I have become aware of. I don't post more because my sources read scoop and have asked me specifically not to post what I've heard on scoop. If I post more, I will no longer get information passed my way. It's that simple. This probably pisses some people off but sharing information about mubb is what this site is for. Would share more if I could but I can't.
Same is true for other I imagine.
Soooo, who do you know? :o
Quote from: jficke13 on January 06, 2015, 09:25:48 PM
I'll save you the time:
1. People are throwing vague assertions about NN at the wall and letting others jump to conclusions.
2. MU fans are for reasons unknowable to me hate-reading Badger boards' threads ripping on MU.
3. Everyone is lining up for their place in the self-gratification circle.
I hope you weren't referring to Pakuni or me with that third one. That would be inappropriate because, unlike some of the posers on this board, we've heard some things from some people we know.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 07, 2015, 01:43:47 AM
Nothing he could have done about it then. You're just filling holes to fill holes, what's the point. The quality players you want to get aren't there. Short term solutions don't work.
I heard what I heard in April, it was from a very good source. It ended up being true, my source was 100% accurate. Maybe he got lucky, maybe things happened in the interim. I believe Keefe heard the same things if I recall. At the end of the day, my source said he won't be back and low and behold, he didn't come back. I did see he got suspended recently for taking a punch at someone in the NBDL....lsigh. Hope it works out for him.
I'm sure Lenny had something interesting to say as well, but since he is on ignore....well....cool...I don't give a shat what he has to say anyway, because it's usually wrong, and not having to read it saves me the headache. :D
I don't doubt that you heard the rumblings but there was plenty of time after the April 1 hire to grab some talent...another Carlino for example. Why wait to mid-summer? Buzz got Jimmy, DJO, Gardner late.
I think Wojo was willing to make a statement about giving everyone a fresh start. It backfired and he has major holes in the roster because of it. The good news, he can restart the roster with his guys now...but it put the program another year behind. Wojo will need the full five years.
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Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 07, 2015, 01:43:47 AM
I'm sure Lenny had something interesting to say .... ....well....cool...I don't give a shat what he has to say
Lenny, looks like you are the guy that sets off his borderline personality.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 07, 2015, 01:58:55 AM
Josh Sharma to Wisconsin. Stone cold lock.
Yup, missed that one, but then again also said a few weeks before he announced that it had changed. You seem to skip that part.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 07, 2015, 06:55:06 PM
Yup, missed that one, but then again also said a few weeks before he announced that it had changed. You seem to skip that part.
Ahh, so when you make a prediction as a stone cold lock, the stone cold lock can get warm and come undone and it's all good I guess. Cool.
Diamond Stone is a stone cold lock to come to Marquette, according to my best source who knows all.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 07, 2015, 07:03:49 PM
Ahh, so when you make a prediction as a stone cold lock, the stone cold lock can get warm and come undone and it's all good I guess. Cool.
Diamond Stone is a stone cold lock to come to Marquette, according to my best source who knows all.
Hold on a minute, my source is telling me Stone may be rethinking his options.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 07, 2015, 07:04:10 PM
Hold on a minute, my source is telling me Stone may be rethinking his options.
Gee, this is fun. If Stone comes to Marquette, I am a freaking genius for being the only person in the world saying that. If he doesn't, I qualified it by saying he may be rethinking his options, so I certainly wasn't wrong!
::)
You are really something else chicos, I'll give you that.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 07, 2015, 03:54:04 PM
I don't doubt that you heard the rumblings but there was plenty of time after the April 1 hire to grab some talent...another Carlino for example. Why wait to mid-summer? Buzz got Jimmy, DJO, Gardner late.
I think Wojo was willing to make a statement about giving everyone a fresh start. It backfired and he has major holes in the roster because of it. The good news, he can restart the roster with his guys now...but it put the program another year behind. Wojo will need the full five years.
Well, personally I don't find Carlino that much of a talent in the sense of a must need considering the tradeoffs. I didn't when we got him and I still don't know. He's had a couple of crazy good games, no doubt. At the end of the day, he is a gunner who can score...at times. He serves a need...at times. Ultimately, he is a classic short term solution that I'm not sure does much of anything except in sporadic instances. No real harm in taking him I guess, but he's like a rental, but in a different way than say Trent Lockett. Carlino is not a bad player, but he is what he is and it's hard to change a player's stripes from years past. So far, that seems to be born out in the results.
On Mayo, have you thought about this consideration.....that maybe my source knew a lot more about the background situation at the time then a guy that was in North Carolina for much of the last 20+ years and was still trying to find where the bathrooms were at the Al, and his parking space...came in with maybe that fresh start mantra as some coaches do, but not everything had entirely bubbled up just yet. Then as more of the information download happened....well, you get the idea. Just a thought.
I agree with you, the good news is that Wojo can put his own guys out there, and quite frankly I'd rather have it that way. Short term solutions are often short cuts, and short cuts are often not strategic in nature and lead to concessions that are later regretted. IMO.
Quote from: keefe on January 06, 2015, 10:44:23 AM
Maybe you'd like to give me kisses sweet?
Pass, not that you're not cute. It's the misses I'm worried about.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 07, 2015, 07:03:49 PM
Ahh, so when you make a prediction as a stone cold lock, the stone cold lock can get warm and come undone and it's all good I guess. Cool.
Diamond Stone is a stone cold lock to come to Marquette, according to my best source who knows all.
That's fine....nothing is a stone cold lock in reality....except death. For me it's death and taxes, but for many it's just death.
All good. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again many times over.
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 07, 2015, 10:56:15 PM
Pass, not that you're not cute. It's the misses I'm worried about.
Maybe you think that love will tie you down
And you ain't got the time to hang around
Maybe you think that love will make us fools
And so it makes you wise to break the rules
Can somehow tell me how many more posts we need in this thread before Godwin's Law comes into play?
Nick is back with his team, at least. He was on the bench in street clothes at his last game.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 07, 2015, 11:18:01 PM
That's fine....nothing is a stone cold lock in reality....except death. For me it's death and taxes, but for many it's just death.
All good. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again many times over.
Politics! Awesome!
Quote from: Lazars Headband on January 08, 2015, 08:08:12 AM
Can somehow tell me how many more posts we need in this thread before Godwin's Law comes into play?
Scoop's Law: Over a long enough timeline, every thread will devolve into people hating Chicos and him trolling them.
Quote from: jficke13 on January 08, 2015, 09:32:11 AM
Scoop's Law: Over a long enough timeline, every thread will devolve into people hating Chicos and him trolling them.
Not even hating. Just annoyed he can't leave politics at the door.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on January 08, 2015, 10:20:22 AM
Not even hating. Just annoyed he can't leave politics at the door.
He and willie have to bring it up as often as possible. Unsurprisingly, they also share both the same political view, and are probably the two the most people have on ignore.
Thought this topic was about Noskowiak? What is his status? Why has he missed playing in recent games???
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on January 08, 2015, 11:25:17 AM
Thought this topic was about Noskowiak? What is his status? Why has he missed playing in recent games???
Because of the thing.
Aren't you even paying attention?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 07, 2015, 07:25:39 PM
Well, personally I don't find Carlino that much of a talent in the sense of a must need considering the tradeoffs. I didn't when we got him and I still don't know. He's had a couple of crazy good games, no doubt. At the end of the day, he is a gunner who can score...at times. He serves a need...at times. Ultimately, he is a classic short term solution that I'm not sure does much of anything except in sporadic instances. No real harm in taking him I guess, but he's like a rental, but in a different way than say Trent Lockett. Carlino is not a bad player, but he is what he is and it's hard to change a player's stripes from years past. So far, that seems to be born out in the results.
On Mayo, have you thought about this consideration.....that maybe my source knew a lot more about the background situation at the time then a guy that was in North Carolina for much of the last 20+ years and was still trying to find where the bathrooms were at the Al, and his parking space...came in with maybe that fresh start mantra as some coaches do, but not everything had entirely bubbled up just yet. Then as more of the information download happened....well, you get the idea. Just a thought.
I agree with you, the good news is that Wojo can put his own guys out there, and quite frankly I'd rather have it that way. Short term solutions are often short cuts, and short cuts are often not strategic in nature and lead to concessions that are later regretted. IMO.
I agree with the above.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 07, 2015, 07:25:39 PM
Well, personally I don't find Carlino that much of a talent in the sense of a must need considering the tradeoffs. I didn't when we got him and I still don't know. He's had a couple of crazy good games, no doubt. At the end of the day, he is a gunner who can score...at times. He serves a need...at times. Ultimately, he is a classic short term solution that I'm not sure does much of anything except in sporadic instances. No real harm in taking him I guess, but he's like a rental, but in a different way than say Trent Lockett. Carlino is not a bad player, but he is what he is and it's hard to change a player's stripes from years past. So far, that seems to be born out in the results.
I don't disagree with any of this. But where would be be without him? Was there an alternative player available? Would that alternative been better?
Because unless you answer "yes" to those two questions, then I can't think of why you wouldn't take him. Otherwise we would have a 7 man team and a worse backcourt than we do right now.
Oh but that's right. Carlino caused the transfers. I forgot that was his fault. ::)
Quote from: Pakuni on January 08, 2015, 11:30:51 AM
Because of the thing.
Aren't you even paying attention?
Someone needs to spend more time at the 31 flavors.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 07, 2015, 07:25:39 PM
Well, personally I don't find Carlino that much of a talent in the sense of a must need considering the tradeoffs. I didn't when we got him and I still don't know. He's had a couple of crazy good games, no doubt. At the end of the day, he is a gunner who can score...at times. He serves a need...at times. Ultimately, he is a classic short term solution that I'm not sure does much of anything except in sporadic instances. No real harm in taking him I guess, but he's like a rental, but in a different way than say Trent Lockett. Carlino is not a bad player, but he is what he is and it's hard to change a player's stripes from years past. So far, that seems to be born out in the results.
What tradeoffs? We didn't give anything up to get him, and without him we would've had 7 healthy, available scholarship players on the roster. And as far as "gunner" goes, I don't really agree with that either. Sure, he takes some dumb shots and makes some dumb plays, but so do a lot of players. When I think of a gunner I think of a guy who's putting up a ton more shots than they should be. Carlino has just 13 more field goal attempts than Duane Wilson does in 65 more minutes and 21 more field goal attempts than JaJuan Johnson in 134 more minutes. Carlino also has a 2:1 assist:turnover ratio (not incredible, but not what I think of when I think of a gunner...see: Knight, Brandon and his 1.5:1). He has had just one game in which he attempted 15 or more field goals, and he scored 38 points in that game. He's more or less our shooting guard, with some point guard responsibilities, so he should have a higher amount of shots than most guys on the team. While he can get trigger happy here and there, I wouldn't say he's a chucker. Of course his decision making could be better, but so could many college players'.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 08, 2015, 11:59:36 AM
I don't disagree with any of this. But where would be be without him? Was there an alternative player available? Would that alternative been better?
This. It wasn't as though Wojo had a smorgasbord of instant transfer guards, and could just pick any one he chose. He was in a situation where he saw we'd be short-handed, and did his best to fill the short-term gap.
Some people need a life.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on January 08, 2015, 12:37:12 PM
Some people need a life.
...says the guy who's sitting on the same website as those he claims "need a life."
;)
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 08, 2015, 11:59:36 AMOh but that's right. Carlino caused the transfers. I forgot that was his fault. ::)
Carlino has his shortcomings, but let's be honest. Everyone knows the transfers were Derrick's fault ;D
can we get back to the thing or just lock this thread?
So is the thing an actual thing? Or do we need some tinfoil hat action again?
Quote from: Michael Kenyon on January 08, 2015, 01:04:11 PM
can we get back to the thing or just lock this thread?
I just heard about a thing. My source tells me it's a done deal.
What's the deal with Crean being such a giant poser?
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 08, 2015, 02:50:47 PM
What's the deal with Crean being such a giant poser?
Arguably, Tom Crean is a stimulus to the economy when he loses based on his diet coke consumption
Quote from: Michael Kenyon on January 08, 2015, 01:04:11 PM
can we get back to the thing or just lock this thread?
Thing One or Thing Two?
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Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 08, 2015, 11:59:36 AM
I don't disagree with any of this. But where would be be without him? Was there an alternative player available? Would that alternative been better?
Because unless you answer "yes" to those two questions, then I can't think of why you wouldn't take him. Otherwise we would have a 7 man team and a worse backcourt than we do right now.
Oh but that's right. Carlino caused the transfers. I forgot that was his fault. ::)
I'm not sure if that last line was a general comment or meant for me. I have been so busy of late that no comments on the transfers even came from me if memory serves. Certainly Carlino's presence wouldn't be the reason anyway. Were other people saying that is why they transferred? I supposed that argument could be made that a one year rental is stealing minutes. My retort would be that this particular one year rental is good, but not great so if he is stealing your minutes your long term potential may not be that sound to begin with.
I'm not sure where we would be without him. That's as honest an answer as I can give. One game for certain we would have likely lost, other games...? Maybe a sabremetric guy can figure out his WAR.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 08, 2015, 03:26:24 PM
I'm not sure if that last line was a general comment or meant for me. I have been so busy of late that no comments on the transfers even came from me if memory serves. Certainly Carlino's presence wouldn't be the reason anyway. Were other people saying that is why they transferred? I supposed that argument could be made that a one year rental is stealing minutes. My retort would be that this particular one year rental is good, but not great so if he is stealing your minutes your long term potential may not be that sound to begin with.
I'm not sure where we would be without him. That's as honest an answer as I can give. One game for certain we would have likely lost, other games...? Maybe a sabremetric guy can figure out his WAR.
Texas Western said that Carlino is why Dawson and Deonte transferred. I don't believe he clarified if it was his mere presence or if they didn't get along with him or something like that.
With 8 guys, *everyone* is getting minutes. No one is stealing minutes with such a short rotation. Having him here isn't hurting anyone's development.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 08, 2015, 03:32:32 PM
Texas Western said that Carlino is why Dawson and Deonte transferred. I don't believe he clarified if it was his mere presence or if they didn't get along with him or something like that.
With 8 guys, *everyone* is getting minutes. No one is stealing minutes with such a short rotation. Having him here isn't hurting anyone's development.
Of course, Ners also said Derrick was the reason for the transfers.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 08, 2015, 03:32:32 PM
Texas Western said that Carlino is why Dawson and Deonte transferred. I don't believe he clarified if it was his mere presence or if they didn't get along with him or something like that.
With 8 guys, *everyone* is getting minutes. No one is stealing minutes with such a short rotation. Having him here isn't hurting anyone's development.
Agree. Last I checked Deonte plays a different position.
I could see Cohen starting the first few games ticking Burton off. I would think that more than anything led to Burton jumping ship.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 08, 2015, 12:15:56 PM
What tradeoffs? We didn't give anything up to get him, and without him we would've had 7 healthy, available scholarship players on the roster. And as far as "gunner" goes, I don't really agree with that either. Sure, he takes some dumb shots and makes some dumb plays, but so do a lot of players. When I think of a gunner I think of a guy who's putting up a ton more shots than they should be. Carlino has just 13 more field goal attempts than Duane Wilson does in 65 more minutes and 21 more field goal attempts than JaJuan Johnson in 134 more minutes. Carlino also has a 2:1 assist:turnover ratio (not incredible, but not what I think of when I think of a gunner...see: Knight, Brandon and his 1.5:1). He has had just one game in which he attempted 15 or more field goals, and he scored 38 points in that game. He's more or less our shooting guard, with some point guard responsibilities, so he should have a higher amount of shots than most guys on the team. While he can get trigger happy here and there, I wouldn't say he's a chucker. Of course his decision making could be better, but so could many college players'.
Yep.
I honestly think some posters have an inherent bias against upperclassmen. The underclassmen are always better, even if the stats say otherwise.
I think they take lessons from this guy:
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Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 08, 2015, 03:56:46 PM
Yep.
I honestly think some posters have an inherent bias against upperclassmen. The underclassmen are always better, even if the stats say otherwise.
When a team is playing badly, it's just a bias against those that are seeing the most time. Backup-QB-Syndrome. Since the team isn't doing well, obviously the guys on the bench MUST be better than the ones on the court/field.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 08, 2015, 03:56:46 PM
Yep.
I honestly think some posters have an inherent bias against upperclassmen. The underclassmen are always better, even if the stats say otherwise.
I think they take lessons from this guy:
I'll take upperclassmen every day of the week, but ones that have matriculated from day one as freshmen over those that are rentals at the end. I like system guys usually. Not exclusively, but usually. Those that are home grown, understand how the pieces fit, grow together, etc. That's not always going to happen, but I'm not sure many if any people here have a bias against upperclassmen per se. It is much more nuanced than that.
I'll take senior Juan over 5th year senior Carlino, as an example. That's nothing against Carlino, but Juan has been here for four years, understands the culture, the program, etc. IMO. Exceptions always exist, however.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 08, 2015, 04:01:00 PM
I'll take upperclassmen every day of the week, but ones that have matriculated from day one as freshmen over those that are rentals at the end. I like system guys usually. Not exclusively, but usually. Those that are home grown, understand how the pieces fit, grow together, etc. That's not always going to happen, but I'm not sure many if any people here have a bias against upperclassmen per se. It is much more nuanced than that.
I'll take senior Juan over 5th year senior Carlino, as an example. That's nothing against Carlino, but Juan has been here for four years, understands the culture, the program, etc. IMO. Exceptions always exist, however.
I generally agree with you, but that wasn't the scenario Wojo was facing. It wasn't "Carlino v. a four-year system guy." It was "Carlino v. a couple of unproven underclassmen."
Unless a fifth year guy fits a specific hole, like Lockett, I think that you are generally correct. But in this case Wojo didn't have many options for what was a crater-like hole in the roster.
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 08, 2015, 03:59:39 PM
When a team is playing badly, it's just a bias against those that are seeing the most time. Backup-QB-Syndrome. Since the team isn't doing well, obviously the guys on the bench MUST be better than the ones on the court/field.
I thought that last season when the backups weren't getting playing time. But this season feels different to me. Everyone is getting enough playing time for us to make an accurate (as accurate as angry people on the internet can be) evaluation of their skills. Last season backups weren't getting the magical 10 minutes a game or whatever the number was that people argued you needed to get into the flow of the game.
Statistically, our best players this season have been Juan, Luke, Carlino, and Derrick. Our worst players have been Duane, Jajuan, Cohen, and Taylor. Despite this, people still scream for Duane, Jajuan, and Cohen over Juan, Carlino, and Derrick.
I know its not, but it really seems like our fans are ageist. Which is funny considering how many geezers we have on this site.
We all agree that Carlino was the best "free agent" out there, yes? Also, he didn't prevent anyone from coming to MU since we still had open schollies.......ergo we can only compare him to players on the roster at the time. Therefore, the only one Carlino would have prevented from playing is Dawson. No offense to Dawson, but he's played directly for two coaches and when he hit the "open market" he ended up at a school like Liberty. That's all the talent evaluation I need to know Carlino, whether we like it or not, was/is our best option for what we need.
So, after 7 pages on a thread titled "Noskowiak?" we have no idea why he is/was not playing but the thread has evolved into a discussion of Carlino? That about it?
Quote from: ATWizJr on January 08, 2015, 04:44:40 PM
So, after 7 pages on a thread titled "Noskowiak?" we have no idea why he is/was not playing but the thread has evolved into a discussion of Carlino? That about it?
Ain't that the way it always goes?
Quote from: ATWizJr on January 08, 2015, 04:44:40 PM
So, after 7 pages on a thread titled "Noskowiak?" we have no idea why he is/was not playing but the thread has evolved into a discussion of Carlino? That about it?
Next topic: Fishing.
Quote from: ATWizJr on January 08, 2015, 04:44:40 PM
So, after 7 pages on a thread titled "Noskowiak?" we have no idea why he is/was not playing but the thread has evolved into a discussion of Carlino? That about it?
We can call it the Ners Effect. Under normal circumstances, the thread would have devolved into a discussion about Derrick, but the absence of Ners has shifted the focus to Carlino.
It's no less inappropriate, but at least a bit less repetitive.
Quote from: ATWizJr on January 08, 2015, 04:44:40 PM
So, after 7 pages on a thread titled "Noskowiak?" we have no idea why he is/was not playing but the thread has evolved into a discussion of Carlino? That about it?
Consider it the Derrick corollary to Godwin's Law
Quote from: ATWizJr on January 08, 2015, 04:44:40 PM
So, after 7 pages on a thread titled "Noskowiak?" we have no idea why he is/was not playing but the thread has evolved into a discussion of Carlino? That about it?
Well, some claim to have an idea, but we will never know so as not to rat anyone out......or be wrong.
How about this, I would rather not have Carlino if it meant Burton and Dawson would've stayed.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 08, 2015, 05:50:09 PM
How about this, I would rather not have Carlino if it meant Burton and Dawson would've stayed.
Carlino has been money in mostly three-five games, no?
I think Wojo trusts Carlino's game experience but will hook him as needed.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 08, 2015, 05:50:09 PM
How about this, I would rather not have Carlino if it meant Burton and Dawson would've stayed.
And I'd have rather Carlino not transferred to Marquette if it meant Jessica Alba would've become my love slave.
It's about the same relevance.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 08, 2015, 03:32:32 PM
Texas Western said that Carlino is why Dawson and Deonte transferred. I don't believe he clarified if it was his mere presence or if they didn't get along with him or something like that.
With 8 guys, *everyone* is getting minutes. No one is stealing minutes with such a short rotation. Having him here isn't hurting anyone's development.
Kind of a snowball effect. Dawson and Deonte were roommates. Carlino came in and displaced Dawson . In addition he took minutes from Duane and JJJ. The two of which then took minutes from Deonte. So by his mere presence a bad situation was created and amplified by the fact he is an incorrigible chucker who is not disciplined by the coaches. Kids being kids and having short vision, interpreted that as handwriting on the wall that there was no future for them. I blame the whole thing on Wojo and his lack of experience. It is water over the damn now and I have moved on. Go Carlino Go.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 08, 2015, 11:23:04 PM
Kind of a snowball effect. Dawson and Deonte were roommates. Carlino came in and displaced Dawson . In addition he took minutes from Duane and JJJ. The two of which then took minutes from Deonte. So by his mere presence a bad situation was created and amplified by the fact he is an incorrigible chucker who is not disciplined by the coaches. Kids being kids and having short vision, interpreted that as handwriting on the wall that there was no future for them. I blame the whole thing on Wojo and his lack of experience. It is water over the damn now and I have moved on. Go Carlino Go.
So you're telling me the coaching staff viewed Carlino as better than Dawson, JJJ and Duane? And they further viewed JJJ and Duane as better than Dawson? And we're supposed to be upset about the player who was the bottom of the depth chart transferring, why?
Quote from: Texas Western on January 08, 2015, 11:23:04 PM
Kind of a snowball effect. Dawson and Deonte were roommates. Carlino came in and displaced Dawson . In addition he took minutes from Duane and JJJ. The two of which then took minutes from Deonte. So by his mere presence a bad situation was created and amplified by the fact he is an incorrigible chucker who is not disciplined by the coaches. Kids being kids and having short vision, interpreted that as handwriting on the wall that there was no future for them. I blame the whole thing on Wojo and his lack of experience. It is water over the damn now and I have moved on. Go Carlino Go.
Haha, you have moved on, ok. You continue to create new theories about why these transfers took place. First it was due to Derrick's minutes, but he starting playing better, so I guess its now Carlino's fault. Looking forward to your new theory.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 08, 2015, 05:50:09 PM
How about this, I would rather not have Carlino if it meant Burton and Dawson would've stayed.
What do you have against finishing above .500?
Quote from: MU82 on January 08, 2015, 10:12:22 PM
Jessica Alba would've become my love slave.
WTF?? You mean she's
NOT your love slave??
"Pleasure me, MU82! Make me a woman!"
(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/08/alba%205_0.jpg)
A simple request, all threads shall devolve into discussions about Jessica Alba, as opposed to "Aina," I4, or Bert. Moderators, please make this happen.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 08, 2015, 11:23:04 PM
Kind of a snowball effect. Dawson and Deonte were roommates. Carlino came in and displaced Dawson . In addition he took minutes from Duane and JJJ. The two of which then took minutes from Deonte. So by his mere presence a bad situation was created and amplified by the fact he is an incorrigible chucker who is not disciplined by the coaches. Kids being kids and having short vision, interpreted that as handwriting on the wall that there was no future for them. I blame the whole thing on Wojo and his lack of experience. It is water over the damn now and I have moved on. Go Carlino Go.
Didn't know minutes could be taken. Carlino, what was the first to raise his hand, so he got to played . He yelled, "called it", thus the minutes were his.
In no possible way could those minutes been earned, and given out by a head coach who in his 20+ year career in D-1 basketball made an estimation that by giving said minutes to Carlino would give Marquette the best opportunity to win.
Quote from: warriorfred on January 09, 2015, 03:58:52 AM
A simple request, all threads shall devolve into discussions about Jessica Alba, as opposed to "Aina," I4, or Bert. Moderators, please make this happen.
Just to make sure we don't get off topic...
(http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1232364720_jessica%20alba%20-%20come%20to%20bed.gif)
Quote from: keefe on January 09, 2015, 03:32:56 AM
WTF?? You mean she's NOT your love slave??
"Pleasure me, MU82! Make me a woman!"
(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/08/alba%205_0.jpg)
Five hours for you to post this pic after the first Jessica Alba mention?
You're slowing down, old mam.
Quote from: brandx on January 09, 2015, 07:39:22 AM
Five hours for you to post this pic after the first Jessica Alba mention?
You're slowing down, old mam.
Either that, or he got "distracted" after doing a google image search for Jessica Alba.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 08, 2015, 11:23:04 PM
Kind of a snowball effect. Dawson and Deonte were roommates. Carlino came in and displaced Dawson . In addition he took minutes from Duane and JJJ. The two of which then took minutes from Deonte. So by his mere presence a bad situation was created and amplified by the fact he is an incorrigible chucker who is not disciplined by the coaches. Kids being kids and having short vision, interpreted that as handwriting on the wall that there was no future for them. I blame the whole thing on Wojo and his lack of experience. It is water over the damn now and I have moved on. Go Carlino Go.
It has been established that Carlino is a "chucker" is simple not accurate.
Carlino averages a shot every 3.3 minutes of playing time.
Duane averages a shot every 3.1 minutes of playing time.
JJJ averages a shot every 2.8 minutes of playing time.
And how do you know if he is, or is not, disciplined by the coaches?
Really when it comes down to the transfers, John Dawson is a great kid but he is a Big South type of player. He isn't a high major guy. Like with Jamail and Ferguson, I would call him more of a recruiting mistake than anything else.
As for Deonte, he was getting playing time. 16 mpg. For whatever reason he decided that he wasn't happy with his situation and left. Despite the fact that there are three seniors graduating and plenty of playing time available for the taking. But if he didn't like Wojo, or they simply didn't mesh, and since Wojo isn't going anywhere Deonte had to be the one to go. It happens.
Quote from: keefe on January 09, 2015, 03:32:56 AM
WTF?? You mean she's NOT your love slave??
"Pleasure me, MU82! Make me a woman!"
(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/08/alba%205_0.jpg)
Well no ... I've been her love slave for awhile.
I know -- semantics, semantics.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 09, 2015, 08:35:02 AM
It has been established that Carlino is a "chucker" is simple not accurate.
Carlino averages a shot every 3.3 minutes of playing time.
Duane averages a shot every 3.1 minutes of playing time.
JJJ averages a shot every 2.8 minutes of playing time.
I guess it begs the question of "what is a chucker?"
I think it is based more on shot selection rather than frequency of shots. Someone who shoots a 25' shot 5-7 seconds into the shot clock, could certainly be considered a chucker in my book. Because he doesn't shoot again for 5 more minutes doesn't change the fact that he chucked one up..............even though in this scenario he only took two shots in 5 min.
Qualitatively I don't think Carlino takes any more bad shots than the other two. I think this is again another one of our "failing to meet expectations" issues that we have trouble with at times.
At least Carlino makes some shots compared to the other two.
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 09, 2015, 09:34:11 AM
At least Carlino makes some shots compared to the other two.
While he may have a better 3FG%, his overall FG% is lower. Probably because 57% of his shots are from 3 point territory, versus 39% for Duane and 32% for JJJ.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 09, 2015, 09:32:15 AM
Qualitatively I don't think Carlino takes any more bad shots than the other two. I think this is again another one of our "failing to meet expectations" issues that we have trouble with at times.
Carlino's turnovers are more of an issue to me. A lot of them seem to come at critical times.
Quote from: bilsu on January 09, 2015, 10:37:27 AM
Carlino's turnovers are more of an issue to me. A lot of them seem to come at critical times.
TPG:
Carlino: 1.8 in 31.1 mpg
Duane: 1.7 in 26.8 mpg
JJJ: 1.8 in 22.2 mpg
Duane and Matt are pretty much a wash in overall numbers, with JJJ a bit worse. But Matt has the ball in his hands more, and gets considerably more assists than either.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 08, 2015, 11:23:04 PM
Kind of a snowball effect. Dawson and Deonte were roommates. Carlino came in and displaced Dawson . In addition he took minutes from Duane and JJJ. The two of which then took minutes from Deonte. So by his mere presence a bad situation was created and amplified by the fact he is an incorrigible chucker who is not disciplined by the coaches. Kids being kids and having short vision, interpreted that as handwriting on the wall that there was no future for them. I blame the whole thing on Wojo and his lack of experience. It is water over the damn now and I have moved on. Go Carlino Go.
OK, here is where I have an issue with this whole theory. If Carlino took minutes for two players there are only two reasons that "make sense" to me. Either he is the better option at the time, or the coaches have mis-evaluated the talent. I suppose there is a 3rd option, a arbitrary decision by a coach(AKA the Ners theory).
So either Carlino is better than the players he
took minutes from or the coaches didn't know what they had in Dawson or what they had in Deonte vs Duane and JjJ. If Carlino is better, what are we complaining about? If it's a talent evaluation issue, we had two coaches make the same choice and now other D1 coaches have as well, so I don't buy that.
Also, a lot of these stats can't be viewed in isolation. Because of his game against Georgia Tech, Carlino will generally be guarded by the opponent's best defensive guard. That not only impacts his percentages (negatively), but it also should impact the percentages of those around him (positively)...assuming they can hit an open shot.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 09, 2015, 09:32:15 AM
Qualitatively I don't think Carlino takes any more bad shots than the other two. I think this is again another one of our "failing to meet expectations" issues that we have trouble with at times.
Do you have any control of what a horse's ass you sound like?
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 09, 2015, 12:12:38 PM
Do you have any control of what a horse's ass you sound like?
Yes, just like you, I am a horse's ass by free-will.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 09, 2015, 12:12:38 PM
Do you have any control of what a horse's ass you sound like?
Do you really think his point is that far off? I tend to agree with him.
So... that Nick Noskowiak. He's something, aina?
Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 09, 2015, 01:08:30 PM
So... that Nick Noskowiak. He's something, aina?
yeah what's up with him? That was question posed at start...... ?-(
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 09, 2015, 10:44:13 AM
TPG:
Carlino: 1.8 in 31.1 mpg
Duane: 1.7 in 26.8 mpg
JJJ: 1.8 in 22.2 mpg
Duane and Matt are pretty much a wash in overall numbers, with JJJ a bit worse. But Matt has the ball in his hands more, and gets considerably more assists than either.
Matt at best is an average player, for sure he is not a point guard but who is on this team besides Derrick. The point is that MU really does not have a competent point guard, Derrick is at
least serviceable this year, but really can not be in at the end of games. A point guard that can not score and Carlino is not quick enough, period. This is why next year looks great on paper
but not sure on the court with no point guard. I have been told, that the coaching staff thinks that Hanif can step in and be the point next year. Freshman, not sure but the staff thinks he might be the most underated player in the Top 100, they think Top 50.
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 09, 2015, 04:46:12 PM
Matt at best is an average player, for sure he is not a point guard but who is on this team besides Derrick. The point is that MU really does not have a competent point guard, Derrick is at
least serviceable this year, but really can not be in at the end of games. A point guard that can not score and Carlino is not quick enough, period. This is why next year looks great on paper
but not sure on the court with no point guard. I have been told, that the coaching staff thinks that Hanif can step in and be the point next year. Freshman, not sure but the staff thinks he might be the most underated player in the Top 100, they think Top 50.
On top of that I've seen a few recruiting sites saying he is the best defensive player out of the incoming Big East freshmen.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 09, 2015, 09:20:39 AM
I guess it begs the question of "what is a chucker?"
I think it is based more on shot selection rather than frequency of shots. Someone who shoots a 25' shot 5-7 seconds into the shot clock, could certainly be considered a chucker in my book. Because he doesn't shoot again for 5 more minutes doesn't change the fact that he chucked one up..............even though in this scenario he only took two shots in 5 min.
If he has a wide open look 5-7 seconds into the shot clock, then it is a good shot just as much as if he is 30 seconds into the shot clock. There is no guarantee that each possession will include a good shot, so any time there is a wide open look, go for it.
It sure beats DW dribbling and backing away from the basket with 8 seconds on the shot clock.
I didnt say they were wide open, and they are not. Ask a grade school/HS/college coach if it is better to work the ball around for 30 seconds and wear the D down, or shoot the ball the first chance you get cuz its open?
I agree with you that if the only two options are Carlino launching one up early or DeWill looking to pass behind him with 5 sec on the shot clock--Ill take the moonshot.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 09, 2015, 05:21:44 PM
I didnt say they were wide open, and they are not. Ask a grade school/HS/college coach if it is better to work the ball around for 30 seconds and wear the D down, or shoot the ball the first chance you get cuz its open?
I agree with you that if the only two options are Carlino launching one up early or DeWill looking to pass behind him with 5 sec on the shot clock--Ill take the moonshot.
The purpose of running any offense is to get good, open shots. I don't care if they are 5 seconds or 32 seconds into the clock. There is no guarantee on any possession that you will get a good shot, but my feeling is that if it is there, take it, any time.
I understand why you (and a lot of coaches) don't want to do this - especially if the other team is more talented and you want to slow the game down.
I just get tired of seeing teams scramble and throw up a bad shot with 2 seconds on the clock after passing up a wide open look 25 seconds earlier.
It is a pretty simple concept to make a team play D for 30 seconds on every possession prior to a shot. The number of open shots that this creates is astronomical compared to the first 5 seconds.
Because this year's team cannot capitalize on this approach does not mean it is better to chuck it up in the first 5 seconds.
Quote from: brandx on January 09, 2015, 05:49:33 PM
The purpose of running any offense is to get good, open shots. I don't care if they are 5 seconds or 32 seconds into the clock. There is no guarantee on any possession that you will get a good shot, but my feeling is that if it is there, take it, any time.
I understand why you (and a lot of coaches) don't want to do this - especially if the other team is more talented and you want to slow the game down.
I just get tired of seeing teams scramble and throw up a bad shot with 2 seconds on the clock after passing up a wide open look 25 seconds earlier.
I'm with you on that! It's bad enough in the pros, and most of those guys are at least adept at making difficult shots.
As a middle-school coach, I like any decent shot by any decent shooter. My reasoning: Any shot is better than a turnover!
So NN is a God shooter?
Seriously doubt it.
Quote from: mr.MUskie on January 09, 2015, 09:43:06 PM
So, God is dead?
So, we've gone from Noskowiak to Nietzsche...
Quote from: LittleWade on January 09, 2015, 10:55:31 PM
So, we've gone from Noskowiak to Nietzsche...
Played for the Packers, aina?
Quote from: mr.MUskie on January 09, 2015, 11:56:02 PM
Played for the Packers, aina?
Ya. Missin all of his teat, aina?
You rang?
https://mobile.twitter.com/RobHernandezWSJ/status/553724507262046209
Back on topic...what is up with NN?
Quote from: Black Swan on January 10, 2015, 10:26:14 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/RobHernandezWSJ/status/553724507262046209
Back on topic...what is up with NN?
All I know is that injury is not the reason he isn't playing. I don't know what he may have done. I don't know if its academic.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 10, 2015, 10:39:46 AM
All I know is that injury is not the reason he isn't playing. I don't know what he may have done. I don't know if its academic.
Academic seems far fetched as he supposedly got his GPA up a whole point recently based on one tweet I saw in passing. But then again, who knows. Let's just hope he's in a good place and finishes the year strong
Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 10, 2015, 11:14:47 AM
Academic seems far fetched as he supposedly got his GPA up a whole point recently based on one tweet I saw in passing.
Well, based on this evidence it does seem far fetched!
NN is suspended indefinitely, not related to academics. Did not show up to Sun Prairie's game last night.
Like most things in life, the cover up (claiming sickness, then injury, then family vacation) makes it so much worse than if they just came out and said what it was.
A code violation would result in a 6 game suspension, so if that is the case he could be back soon.
But based on some rumors going around he could be out awhile...
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 10, 2015, 02:53:26 PM
A code violation would result in a 6 game suspension, so if that is the case he could be back soon.
But based on some rumors going around he could be out awhile...
Drug issue, a pain medication
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 10, 2015, 03:02:26 PM
Drug issue, a pain medication
Well he certainly wouldn't be the first athlete to use pain medications to help them play through injuries.
Heard he wasn't getting along with his coach. Got in a fight. Pain meds would seem plausible I guess.
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 10, 2015, 03:02:26 PM
Drug issue, a pain medication
Yeah if that's true, it probably doesn't belong here or anywhere.
I don't know why NN is out.
I don't know what he could have done.
Very useful to post this info, aina? ::)
NN just posted on his twitter account he has been dealing with depression the past 4 months, and thanks Wojo and MU for their continued support.
Support the kid.
We're pulling for you, Nick.
Quote from: Wojo Era on January 10, 2015, 05:00:06 PM
NN just posted on his twitter account he has been dealing with depression the past 4 months, and thanks Wojo and MU for their continued support.
I heard that bit did not want to put it on a blog so I just put pain medication which he is taking to control the depression, hope he feels better, much like Gault at Wisky,
Depression no joke, and that message reads like he knows people are talking. Is he reading here? Who knows. But have some class, Scoopers.
https://twitter.com/nicknoskowiak/status/554049366563250176
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 10, 2015, 05:18:09 PM
I heard that bit did not want to put it on a blog so I just put pain medication which he is taking to control the depression, hope he feels better, much like Gault at Wisky,
You don't take pain meds for depression...
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 10, 2015, 05:27:25 PM
Rocky,
Just nuke this thread.
Listen, I wish the best for Nick, and hope he can work through whatever is going on . Sounds like wojo has his back.
I agree about nuking the thread. Big props to NN for coming out and talking about the depression. Serious issue that doesn't get enough attention and can lead to a host of problems.
Glad he is dealing with it and wish him the best.
Quote from: forgetful on January 10, 2015, 05:34:40 PM
I agree about nuking the thread. Big props to NN for coming out and talking about the depression. Serious issue that doesn't get enough attention and can lead to a host of problems.
Glad he is dealing with it and wish him the best.
I Agee, not a doctor just should have said medication
As someone who is working through depression, I applaud him for being confident enough to say it in public. It's a huge step to get past the stigma and deal with it out in the open.
Very tough for these young people today. They truly live in a fishbowl. This young man worked very hard for the team and he hasn't even set foot on campus. Let's hope Nick can work through this in a positive way.
Over on the Buckyville board King Dbag, swenson mentioned it was a suspension and others talked about how Bo knows to stay away from trouble makers. I don't know why NN is out but I bet he didn't get so drunk on his official visit that he had his stomach pumped on top of at least one DUI. Those types of recruits are the future point guards of UW. What a bunch of pricks and I am a proud UW grad.
It's a private matter - which was addressed by the recruit on social media - and this thread no longer has a purpose in discussing his absence.
Please lock the thread, mods.
Let's wish him the best of support from the Marquette Community as he works through this difficult time.
Respect him as he endures and hopefully pulls through a much more confident young man.
Now, let's move on to other things.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 10, 2015, 04:16:40 PM
I don't know why NN is out.
I don't know what he could have done.
Very useful to post this info, aina? ::)
Much more useful then; "maybe it's this" or "I heard that it might be this", IMO.
Eh.. we talk about all kinds of things about recruits and students from other schools and even our potential recruits. Why not talk about this? Why is it so taboo? No one is saying anything slanderous.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 10, 2015, 05:55:22 PM
As someone who is working through depression, I applaud him for being confident enough to say it in public. It's a huge step to get past the stigma and deal with it out in the open.
I'm in the same camp Goooo. Through this declaration, this kid has more strength than most going through this and we should support him.
if you think it's about chemicals or you belittle it, trust me....you have no idea what he's going through.
regardless if this thread gets locked y'all should think "if my kid had this issue would i like strangers analyzing him/her?"
Excellent point. I agree wholeheartedly.
To a bunch of 25 to 60 year old idiots who like to post speculation about high school kids on a public forum...think before you post. These are kids...leave the speculation to things on the court. It makes me sick that one of our kids had to take to facebook and Twitter to defend himself against wild speculation on our own message boards.
Quote from: sroirraw on January 10, 2015, 10:57:47 PM
To a bunch of 25 to 60 year old idiots who like to post speculation about high school kids on a public forum...think before you post. These are kids...leave the speculation to things on the court. It makes me sick that one of our kids had to take to facebook and Twitter to defend himself against wild speculation on our own message boards.
Well put.
Props to the kid for having the balls to address the issue. Makes a lot of the speculators look like major asswipes
Quote from: sroirraw on January 10, 2015, 10:57:47 PM
To a bunch of 25 to 60 year old idiots who like to post speculation about high school kids on a public forum...think before you post. These are kids...leave the speculation to things on the court. It makes me sick that one of our kids had to take to facebook and Twitter to defend himself against wild speculation on our own message boards.
All the best to NN. It takes a lot of guts to post what he did and I hope it works out for him. Is it accurate that he did it because of MUScoop and/or other MU message boards?
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 11, 2015, 08:54:20 AM
All the best to NN. It takes a lot of guts to post what he did and I hope it works out for him. Is it accurate that he did it because of MUScoop and/or other MU message boards?
It was all over the place. For instance, just the evening before, a Wisconsin State Journal edited tweeted that it was "very odd" that NN wasn't in the gym for their game v. Verona. I'm sure he has heard more whispers in the school hallways than he picked up from Marquette message boards.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 11, 2015, 09:27:42 AMHe even admitted in later posts that he didn't know what the hell he was talking about. He admitted he heard about the condition that NN mentioned (i.e., the truth), but didn't want to post that on a public forum so he posted admittedly incorrect and misleading information.
Let's not pile untruths on top of untruths. This post is no better than anything else in here, and illustrates exactly why the thread should be shut, as many have called for. Let's look at what Hoopster
actually posted rather than your misreprentation of his post.
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 10, 2015, 05:18:09 PMI heard that bit did not want to put it on a blog so I just put pain medication which he is taking to control the depression, hope he feels better, much like Gault at Wisky,
We can debate whether or not him taking meds should be discussed, we can even debate whether or not pain meds are prescribed for depression, but what Hoopster actually said is that Nick was taking pain meds to help manage the depression. I don't know the veracity of this and won't begin to speculate, but he didn't say that he was posting incorrect and misleading information.
None of us here are Nick's doctors or caretakers, so HIPAA doesn't apply to us. There's nothing specifically against this thread other than it being in poor taste. The kid has issues to deal with, and most anything on here will be either hearsay or speculation. I don't see any benefit to that, so I would agree with the people in here that are calling for this thread to be closed. Allowing it to continue will only likely serve two purposes -- first to drag a serious subject off topic and second to invite trolls that will take advantage of the forum to trash talk a kid who clearly is going through some serious stuff.
I don't know the truth of it, but I have some experience with depression, and I don't think anyone in Nick's position wants that aspect of their life discussed on a public forum. It's bad enough to deal with or help someone else deal with without having a bunch of strangers commenting and criticizing. Better to just shut this down, move on, and hope for the best for Nick.
Truth or un-truth, the bottom line is that Nick and Gault and probably Larry Sanders have to get there REAL life together, sports are secondary. So to those 3 people, get healthy and have
a beautiful life, if sports is part of there life, great. if not move on. Time to move on, hope Aaron Rodgers is healthy enough for a win today or can MU find a point guard next year. Meaningful
stuff, not really.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 10, 2015, 05:55:22 PM
As someone who is working through depression, I applaud him for being confident enough to say it in public. It's a huge step to get past the stigma and deal with it out in the open.
No kidding.
Here is to a quick bounce back. I am looking forward to seeing NN in a warrior uni next season. Get better soon!
Stay strong Nick the Marquette community is pulling for you. Focus on getting yourself better before you even worry about basketball again. Your health is number 1
Quote from: ronald dragon on January 11, 2015, 11:21:02 AM
Stay strong Nick the Marquette community is pulling for you. Focus on getting yourself better before you even worry about basketball again. Your health is number 1
+1 Without a doubt, this is the post I wish had made. Well done.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 11, 2015, 09:56:22 AM
None of us here are Nick's doctors or caretakers, so HIPAA doesn't apply to us.
You clearly have no idea what HIPAA is...
Quote from: barfolomew on January 05, 2015, 11:41:26 AM
Perhaps next time the two of you should establish a safe word.
Cacao?
Quote from: keefe on January 11, 2015, 11:32:13 AM
You clearly have no idea what HIPAA is...
From the Health and Human Services website.
"The Privacy Rule
The HIPAA Privacy Rule establishes national standards to protect individuals' medical records and other personal health information and applies to health plans, health care clearinghouses, and those health care providers that conduct certain health care transactions electronically. The Rule requires appropriate safeguards to protect the privacy of personal health information, and sets limits and conditions on the uses and disclosures that may be made of such information without patient authorization. The Rule also gives patients rights over their health information, including rights to examine and obtain a copy of their health records, and to request corrections."
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 11, 2015, 09:56:22 AM
I don't know the truth of it, but I have some experience with depression, and I don't think anyone in Nick's position wants that aspect of their life discussed on a public forum. It's bad enough to deal with or help someone else deal with without having a bunch of strangers commenting and criticizing. Better to just shut this down, move on, and hope for the best for Nick.
I don't mean to pick on you, Brew. Yours is but one of many "close this thread down, move along, don't talk about it and hope for the best for Nick" messages here. It's expressed in good faith - I don't for a moment doubt your compassion for Nick. But he has an illness, one that can be devastating. And when people are sick, whether it's depression, leukemia, breast cancer or whatever they need all the support they can get. When my wife was diagnosed with cancer, her (our) initial fears, uncertainties and "why me(s)" were replaced by gratitude for the overwhelming kindness and support from friends, family, acquaintances and well meaning strangers. Publicly fighting this horrible disease became very much a life affirming experience.
Contrast that with what people with depression, PTSD, bipolar disorder, etc. face. Initially confusion (what's wrong with me?) often followed by shame. Friends/loved ones often feel uncomfortable (what's the matter with Bob?) and withdraw. The disease makes people feel alone and isolated. People's reactions deepen the feeling.
What Nick (and fellow posters Goooo and naganiF) have done is courageous. We should celebrate their courage. Let's have dialogue about things that maybe make/made us feel uncomfortable. Only good things follow.
To that end it has been my good fortune to recently join the Board of Directors of a Chicago based non profit that does just that. Erasing the Distance solicits stories from real people about their mental health struggles (either personally or a loved one) and turns them into engaging scripts performed by a company of professional actors. The pieces are brought to schools, community organizations, hospitals and places of worship where the performance is followed by a dialogue between the audience and the actors and staff. Shine light, debunk myths, promote understanding and acceptance. To find out more, visit erasingthedistance.org and/or pm or email me (my email is in my profile).
Hope this doesn't come across as preachy, but 10+ years ago I lost a brother to suicide and mental health issues are of great import to me.
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 10, 2015, 08:55:38 PM
Eh.. we talk about all kinds of things about recruits and students from other schools and even our potential recruits. Why not talk about this? Why is it so taboo? No one is saying anything slanderous.
Yeah--here come the thought police.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 11, 2015, 09:27:42 AM
Rocky, please check again.
The post Chili and Hards were responding to is not the truth and is not even remotely the same as what NN tweeted. That kind of unsubstantiated rumor about a kid has no place on this board. I really don't understand how you concluded that BCHoopster's post is the "truth, among wild speculation." He even admitted in later posts that he didn't know what the hell he was talking about. He admitted he heard about the condition that NN mentioned (i.e., the truth), but didn't want to post that on a public forum so he posted admittedly incorrect and misleading information. Just read through BCHoopster's posts on this thread. Posting an untrue and misleading allegation in an effort to protect NN's privacy is a bit of a strange approach in my opinion, but I guess that's BCHoopster's call. In any event, it shouldn't be on this board.
Lots of opinions, "truth", and speculation being spun here, but have not seen any real truth yet. So we should let the spin doctors and thought police rule the day?
Not the thought police. Common courtesy. A chance to show restraint, respect, and class.
Quote from: Chili on January 11, 2015, 02:04:13 PM
this entire thread is pathetic. we're talking about a KID not an adult. A unnatural carnal knowledgeING KID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nuke this thing. The fact that it is still up shows the lack of compete common sense the moderators have on this topic. Straight up pathetic Mods. You should be ashamed.
Calling the moderators pathetic only indicates an inability on your part to hold your emotions in check when dealing with this issue and undermines your argument. Logic not intimidation should rule the day here.
Quote from: Chili on January 11, 2015, 02:04:13 PM
this entire thread is pathetic. we're talking about a KID not an adult. A unnatural carnal knowledgeING KID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nuke this thing. The fact that it is still up shows the lack of compete common sense the moderators have on this topic. Straight up pathetic Mods. You should be ashamed.
This KID had the courage to talk openly about an illness he is dealing with. Good for him. If he had a knee injury everyone here would be cheering him on with his treatment, encouraging his recovery. What's wrong with people showing support for a courageous young man?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 11, 2015, 02:29:03 PM
This KID had the courage to talk openly about an illness he is dealing with. Good for him. If he had a knee injury everyone here would be cheering him on with his treatment, encouraging his recovery. What's wrong with people showing support for a courageous young man?
I think encouraging support for someone battling this illness is admirable, should continue, and is beneficial to the recovery of someone who has chosen to disclose this condition.
I can't speak for others, but I think the reason they want the thread nuked is because of all the baseless accusations that were thrown Nick's way. They want those removed and leave the support. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't mind that.
Maybe I'm just not understanding what's going on here... If we had a player at MU or commit/recruit wasn't playing, we'd want to know why and we'd talk about it on here - whether it was injury, grades, whatever. Why is NN's not playing so taboo?
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 11, 2015, 03:28:49 PM
Maybe I'm just not understanding what's going on here... If we had a player at MU or commit/recruit wasn't playing, we'd want to know why and we'd talk about it on here - whether it was injury, grades, whatever. Why is NN's not playing so taboo?
Basically because "depression" sounds scarier than "bad grades," "ankle injury" or "underage drinking."
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 11, 2015, 02:39:29 PM
I think encouraging support for someone battling this illness is admirable, should continue, and is beneficial to the recovery of someone who has chosen to disclose this condition.
I can't speak for others, but I think the reason they want the thread nuked is because of all the baseless accusations that were thrown Nick's way. They want those removed and leave the support. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't mind that.
Correctamundo
Why would this thread cause a decommit? I don't see anything but support for him.
Has a factual statement been issued by NN?
based on nn's tweet, he is one strong kid. admitting to whatever the issue is and to confront it in such a public forum is really really courageous of him. in his case, he just happens to be a highly sought after athlete who has garnered a big spot light and obviously a lot of attention. he just took a BIG FIRST STEP toward getting better. having the courage to change the things he can...he will be a better human being for this-good luck and all my prayers to nn-hang in there buddy!
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 11, 2015, 04:19:03 PM
Why would this thread cause a decommit? I don't see anything but support for him.
I agree, Sultan. It's not like Nick has done anything wrong. He got sick, for Godsakes. Why shouldn't we offer support? When he showed leadership selling Marquette to other recruits I admired him. My admiration has increased a thousand fold - I see nothing wrong with sharing that with Nick and his family.
Overall bad showing by Scoopers (not by all, but by too many) for the first 9 pages of this thread. Rampant, unwarranted and, in some cases, ugly speculation. Embarrassing.
Very glad to see that Wojo and MU is there for him.
Keep the threaad. As a reminder.
Be well Nick.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 11, 2015, 01:03:10 PM
Yeah--here come the thought police.
you need to find some happiness in your life.
Quote from: ChitownJuan on January 11, 2015, 06:37:49 PM
As someone who has delt with this with friends I have had and myself at one point, shut this thread down immediately.
Respectfully disagree. I am dealing with depression myself, as have my dad and brothers for many years. I lost an aunt to suicide 35 years ago, and a close friend about 5 years after that.
The best way to deal with mental illness is out in the open. Acknowledge it, confront it, treat it, talk openly about it. Treat it as the illness it is...don't sweep it under the rug, as though he had something to be embarrassed about. My experience is that people who deal openly with it do better than those who keep it hidden.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 11, 2015, 07:21:54 PM
Respectfully disagree. I am dealing with depression myself, as have my dad and brothers for many years. I lost an aunt to suicide 35 years ago, and a close friend about 5 years after that.
The best way to deal with mental illness is out in the open. Acknowledge it, confront it, treat it, talk openly about it. Treat it as the illness it is...don't sweep it under the rug, as though he had something to be embarrassed about. My experience is that people who deal openly with it do better than those who keep it hidden.
Very true.
This is also the entire premise of Frozen.
Local Madison News story on Noskowiak and his situation. The video interview was done earlier when he signed NLI.
http://host.madison.com/sports/high-school/basketball/boys/prep-boys-basketball-sun-prairie-s-nick-noskowiak-says-he/article_9d8f848c-d0d8-5c6a-b3c1-afea94ba4318.html
I am confident he will work through all this.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 11, 2015, 07:21:54 PM
Respectfully disagree. I am dealing with depression myself, as have my dad and brothers for many years. I lost an aunt to suicide 35 years ago, and a close friend about 5 years after that.
The best way to deal with mental illness is out in the open. Acknowledge it, confront it, treat it, talk openly about it. Treat it as the illness it is...don't sweep it under the rug, as though he had something to be embarrassed about. My experience is that people who deal openly with it do better than those who keep it hidden.
I admire your courage, compassion and intellect. Perfectly said.
Ok, I'm gonna go back though and delete all the recent "please delete this thread" posts.
You are the folks actually ruining this thread. Nuff said.
That is so good.
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Does anyone want to build a snowman?
But what if he wants to build a snowman?
Quote from: Texas Western on January 11, 2015, 07:34:38 PM
Local Madison News story on Noskowiak and his situation. The video interview was done earlier when he signed NLI.
http://host.madison.com/sports/high-school/basketball/boys/prep-boys-basketball-sun-prairie-s-nick-noskowiak-says-he/article_9d8f848c-d0d8-5c6a-b3c1-afea94ba4318.html
I am confident he will work through all this.
Sure hope he does. The real problem is the confidence level that scoopers can work their way through this thread without getting their noses bent. Some have already had their noses bent around their head.
I think that this is one tough and brave kid.
Depression can be brutal. I suffered from it in my early adulthood and am one of those that was "lucky" to have shifted out of it as I aged. The thought among doctors is that a persons biochemistry can change with age. The disease is typically toughest for males in their teens through late 20s. I can absolutely attest that there is a huge genetic, biochemical component to it.
I haven't thought about it in a while, but this thread brought back some tough memories. It was a rough time I'm grateful to have gotten through. The structure of the academics and friendships I made at Marquette were absolutely critical at the time.
God bless you, Nick. I'll be rooting for you.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on January 12, 2015, 09:12:59 PM
I think that this is one tough and brave kid.
God bless you, Nick. I'll be rooting for you.
Agreed! It takes a lot to identify and treat, and a lot more to speak publicly about it.
Be tough young warrior!