Noskowiak?

[Texas Western]

Well, personally I don't find Carlino that much of a talent in the sense of a must need considering the tradeoffs. I didn't when we got him and I still don't know.  He's had a couple of crazy good games, no doubt.  At the end of the day, he is a gunner who can score...at times.  He serves a need...at times.   Ultimately, he is a classic short term solution that I'm not sure does much of anything except in sporadic instances.  No real harm in taking him I guess, but he's like a rental, but in a different way than say Trent Lockett.  Carlino is not a bad player, but he is what he is and it's hard to change a player's stripes from years past.  So far, that seems to be born out in the results.   

On Mayo, have you thought about this consideration.....that maybe my source knew a lot more about the background situation at the time then a guy that was in North Carolina for much of the last 20+ years and was still trying to find where the bathrooms were at the Al, and his parking space...came in with maybe that fresh start mantra as some coaches do, but not everything had entirely bubbled up just yet.  Then as more of the information download happened....well, you get the idea.  Just a thought. 

I agree with you, the good news is that Wojo can put his own guys out there, and quite frankly I'd rather have it that way.  Short term solutions are often short cuts, and short cuts are often not strategic in nature and lead to concessions that are later regretted.  IMO.

I agree with the above.

[GGGG]

Well, personally I don't find Carlino that much of a talent in the sense of a must need considering the tradeoffs. I didn't when we got him and I still don't know.  He's had a couple of crazy good games, no doubt.  At the end of the day, he is a gunner who can score...at times.  He serves a need...at times.   Ultimately, he is a classic short term solution that I'm not sure does much of anything except in sporadic instances.  No real harm in taking him I guess, but he's like a rental, but in a different way than say Trent Lockett.  Carlino is not a bad player, but he is what he is and it's hard to change a player's stripes from years past.  So far, that seems to be born out in the results. 

I don't disagree with any of this.  But where would be be without him?  Was there an alternative player available?  Would that alternative been better?

Because unless you answer "yes" to those two questions, then I can't think of why you wouldn't take him.  Otherwise we would have a 7 man team and a worse backcourt than we do right now.

Oh but that's right.  Carlino caused the transfers.  I forgot that was his fault.   

[JakeBarnes]

Because of the thing.
Aren't you even paying attention?

Someone needs to spend more time at the 31 flavors.

[wadesworld]

Well, personally I don't find Carlino that much of a talent in the sense of a must need considering the tradeoffs. I didn't when we got him and I still don't know.  He's had a couple of crazy good games, no doubt.  At the end of the day, he is a gunner who can score...at times.  He serves a need...at times.   Ultimately, he is a classic short term solution that I'm not sure does much of anything except in sporadic instances.  No real harm in taking him I guess, but he's like a rental, but in a different way than say Trent Lockett.  Carlino is not a bad player, but he is what he is and it's hard to change a player's stripes from years past.  So far, that seems to be born out in the results.  

What tradeoffs?  We didn't give anything up to get him, and without him we would've had 7 healthy, available scholarship players on the roster.  And as far as "gunner" goes, I don't really agree with that either.  Sure, he takes some dumb shots and makes some dumb plays, but so do a lot of players.  When I think of a gunner I think of a guy who's putting up a ton more shots than they should be.  Carlino has just 13 more field goal attempts than Duane Wilson does in 65 more minutes and 21 more field goal attempts than JaJuan Johnson in 134 more minutes.  Carlino also has a 2:1 assist:turnover ratio (not incredible, but not what I think of when I think of a gunner...see: Knight, Brandon and his 1.5:1).  He has had just one game in which he attempted 15 or more field goals, and he scored 38 points in that game.  He's more or less our shooting guard, with some point guard responsibilities, so he should have a higher amount of shots than most guys on the team.  While he can get trigger happy here and there, I wouldn't say he's a chucker.  Of course his decision making could be better, but so could many college players'.

[GooooMarquette]

I don't disagree with any of this.  But where would be be without him?  Was there an alternative player available?  Would that alternative been better?

This.  It wasn't as though Wojo had a smorgasbord of instant transfer guards, and could just pick any one he chose.  He was in a situation where he saw we'd be short-handed, and did his best to fill the short-term gap.

[Stretchdeltsig]

Some people need a life.

[wadesworld]

Some people need a life.

...says the guy who's sitting on the same website as those he claims "need a life."

[brewcity77]

Oh but that's right.  Carlino caused the transfers.  I forgot that was his fault.   

Carlino has his shortcomings, but let's be honest. Everyone knows the transfers were Derrick's fault

[Spotcheck Billy]

can we get back to the thing or just lock this thread?

[JakeBarnes]

So is the thing an actual thing? Or do we need some tinfoil hat action again?

[GooooMarquette]

can we get back to the thing or just lock this thread?

I just heard about a thing.  My source tells me it's a done deal.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

What's the deal with Crean being such a giant poser?

[JakeBarnes]

What's the deal with Crean being such a giant poser?

Arguably, Tom Crean is a stimulus to the economy when he loses based on his diet coke consumption

[Pakuni]

can we get back to the thing or just lock this thread?

Thing One or Thing Two?

[mu03eng]

[ChicosBailBonds]

I don't disagree with any of this.  But where would be be without him?  Was there an alternative player available?  Would that alternative been better?

Because unless you answer "yes" to those two questions, then I can't think of why you wouldn't take him.  Otherwise we would have a 7 man team and a worse backcourt than we do right now.

Oh but that's right.  Carlino caused the transfers.  I forgot that was his fault.   

I'm not sure if that last line was a general comment or meant for me.  I have been so busy of late that no comments on the transfers even came from me if memory serves.  Certainly Carlino's presence wouldn't be the reason anyway.  Were other people saying that is why they transferred?  I supposed that argument could be made that a one year rental is stealing minutes.  My retort would be that this particular one year rental is good, but not great so if he is stealing your minutes your long term potential may not be that sound to begin with.

I'm not sure where we would be without him.  That's as honest an answer as I can give.  One game for certain we would have likely lost, other games...?   Maybe a sabremetric guy can figure out his WAR.

[GGGG]

I'm not sure if that last line was a general comment or meant for me.  I have been so busy of late that no comments on the transfers even came from me if memory serves.  Certainly Carlino's presence wouldn't be the reason anyway.  Were other people saying that is why they transferred?  I supposed that argument could be made that a one year rental is stealing minutes.  My retort would be that this particular one year rental is good, but not great so if he is stealing your minutes your long term potential may not be that sound to begin with.

I'm not sure where we would be without him.  That's as honest an answer as I can give.  One game for certain we would have likely lost, other games...?   Maybe a sabremetric guy can figure out his WAR.

Texas Western said that Carlino is why Dawson and Deonte transferred.  I don't believe he clarified if it was his mere presence or if they didn't get along with him or something like that.

With 8 guys, *everyone* is getting minutes.  No one is stealing minutes with such a short rotation.  Having him here isn't hurting anyone's development.

[jesmu84]

Texas Western said that Carlino is why Dawson and Deonte transferred.  I don't believe he clarified if it was his mere presence or if they didn't get along with him or something like that.

With 8 guys, *everyone* is getting minutes.  No one is stealing minutes with such a short rotation.  Having him here isn't hurting anyone's development.

Of course, Ners also said Derrick was the reason for the transfers.

[79Warrior]

Texas Western said that Carlino is why Dawson and Deonte transferred.  I don't believe he clarified if it was his mere presence or if they didn't get along with him or something like that.

With 8 guys, *everyone* is getting minutes.  No one is stealing minutes with such a short rotation.  Having him here isn't hurting anyone's development.

Agree. Last I checked Deonte plays a different position.

[bilsu]

I could see Cohen starting the first few games ticking Burton off. I would think that more than anything led to Burton jumping ship.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

What tradeoffs?  We didn't give anything up to get him, and without him we would've had 7 healthy, available scholarship players on the roster.  And as far as "gunner" goes, I don't really agree with that either.  Sure, he takes some dumb shots and makes some dumb plays, but so do a lot of players.  When I think of a gunner I think of a guy who's putting up a ton more shots than they should be.  Carlino has just 13 more field goal attempts than Duane Wilson does in 65 more minutes and 21 more field goal attempts than JaJuan Johnson in 134 more minutes.  Carlino also has a 2:1 assist:turnover ratio (not incredible, but not what I think of when I think of a gunner...see: Knight, Brandon and his 1.5:1).  He has had just one game in which he attempted 15 or more field goals, and he scored 38 points in that game.  He's more or less our shooting guard, with some point guard responsibilities, so he should have a higher amount of shots than most guys on the team.  While he can get trigger happy here and there, I wouldn't say he's a chucker.  Of course his decision making could be better, but so could many college players'.

Yep.

I honestly think some posters have an inherent bias against upperclassmen. The underclassmen are always better, even if the stats say otherwise.

I think they take lessons from this guy:

[jesmu84]

Yep.

I honestly think some posters have an inherent bias against upperclassmen. The underclassmen are always better, even if the stats say otherwise.

When a team is playing badly, it's just a bias against those that are seeing the most time. Backup-QB-Syndrome. Since the team isn't doing well, obviously the guys on the bench MUST be better than the ones on the court/field.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Yep.

I honestly think some posters have an inherent bias against upperclassmen. The underclassmen are always better, even if the stats say otherwise.

I think they take lessons from this guy:

I'll take upperclassmen every day of the week, but ones that have matriculated from day one as freshmen over those that are rentals at the end.  I like system guys usually.  Not exclusively, but usually.  Those that are home grown, understand how the pieces fit, grow together, etc.  That's not always going to happen, but I'm not sure many if any people here have a bias against upperclassmen per se.  It is much more nuanced than that. 

I'll take senior Juan over 5th year senior Carlino, as an example.  That's nothing against Carlino, but Juan has been here for four years, understands the culture, the program, etc.  IMO.  Exceptions always exist, however.

[GGGG]

I'll take upperclassmen every day of the week, but ones that have matriculated from day one as freshmen over those that are rentals at the end.  I like system guys usually.  Not exclusively, but usually.  Those that are home grown, understand how the pieces fit, grow together, etc.  That's not always going to happen, but I'm not sure many if any people here have a bias against upperclassmen per se.  It is much more nuanced than that. 

I'll take senior Juan over 5th year senior Carlino, as an example.  That's nothing against Carlino, but Juan has been here for four years, understands the culture, the program, etc.  IMO.  Exceptions always exist, however.

I generally agree with you, but that wasn't the scenario Wojo was facing.  It wasn't "Carlino v. a four-year system guy."  It was "Carlino v. a couple of unproven underclassmen."

Unless a fifth year guy fits a specific hole, like Lockett, I think that you are generally correct.  But in this case Wojo didn't have many options for what was a crater-like hole in the roster.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

When a team is playing badly, it's just a bias against those that are seeing the most time. Backup-QB-Syndrome. Since the team isn't doing well, obviously the guys on the bench MUST be better than the ones on the court/field.

I thought that last season when the backups weren't getting playing time. But this season feels different to me. Everyone is getting enough playing time for us to make an accurate (as accurate as angry people on the internet can be) evaluation of their skills. Last season backups weren't getting the magical 10 minutes a game or whatever the number was that people argued you needed to get into the flow of the game.

Statistically, our best players this season have been Juan, Luke, Carlino, and Derrick. Our worst players have been Duane, Jajuan, Cohen, and Taylor. Despite this, people still scream for Duane, Jajuan, and Cohen over Juan, Carlino, and Derrick.

I know its not, but it really seems like our fans are ageist. Which is funny considering how many geezers we have on this site.