Noskowiak?

[GGGG]

At least Carlino makes some shots compared to the other two.

While he may have a better 3FG%, his overall FG% is lower.  Probably because 57% of his shots are from 3 point territory, versus 39% for Duane and 32% for JJJ.

[bilsu]

Qualitatively I don't think Carlino takes any more bad shots than the other two.  I think this is again another one of our "failing to meet expectations" issues that we have trouble with at times. 

Carlino's turnovers are more of an issue to me. A lot of them seem to come at critical times.

[GooooMarquette]

Carlino's turnovers are more of an issue to me. A lot of them seem to come at critical times.

TPG:

Carlino:  1.8 in 31.1 mpg
Duane:  1.7 in 26.8 mpg
JJJ:  1.8 in 22.2 mpg

Duane and Matt are pretty much a wash in overall numbers, with JJJ a bit worse.  But Matt has the ball in his hands more, and gets considerably more assists than either.

[mu03eng]

Kind of a snowball effect. Dawson and Deonte were roommates. Carlino came in and displaced Dawson .  In addition he took minutes from Duane and JJJ. The two of which then took minutes from Deonte.  So by his mere presence a bad situation was created and amplified by the fact he is an incorrigible chucker who is not disciplined by the coaches.  Kids being kids and having short vision, interpreted that as handwriting on the wall that there was no future for them. I blame the whole thing on Wojo and his lack of experience. It is water over the damn now and I have moved on. Go Carlino Go.

OK, here is where I have an issue with this whole theory.  If Carlino took minutes for two players there are only two reasons that "make sense" to me.  Either he is the better option at the time, or the coaches have mis-evaluated the talent.  I suppose there is a 3rd option, a arbitrary decision by a coach(AKA the Ners theory).

So either Carlino is better than the players he took minutes from or the coaches didn't know what they had in Dawson or what they had in Deonte vs Duane and JjJ.  If Carlino is better, what are we complaining about?  If it's a talent evaluation issue, we had two coaches make the same choice and now other D1 coaches have as well, so I don't buy that.

[21rooster]

Also, a lot of these stats can't be viewed in isolation.  Because of his game against Georgia Tech, Carlino will generally be guarded by the opponent's best defensive guard.  That not only impacts his percentages (negatively), but it also should impact the percentages of those around him (positively)...assuming they can hit an open shot.  

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Qualitatively I don't think Carlino takes any more bad shots than the other two.  I think this is again another one of our "failing to meet expectations" issues that we have trouble with at times. 

Do you have any control of what a horse's ass you sound like?

[GGGG]

Do you have any control of what a horse's ass you sound like?

Yes, just like you, I am a horse's ass by free-will.

[79Warrior]

Do you have any control of what a horse's ass you sound like?

Do you really think his point is that far off? I tend to agree with him.

[JakeBarnes]

So... that Nick Noskowiak. He's something, aina?

[muwarrior97]

So... that Nick Noskowiak. He's something, aina?

yeah what's up with him?  That was question posed at start......

[BCHoopster]

TPG:

Carlino:  1.8 in 31.1 mpg
Duane:  1.7 in 26.8 mpg
JJJ:  1.8 in 22.2 mpg

Duane and Matt are pretty much a wash in overall numbers, with JJJ a bit worse.  But Matt has the ball in his hands more, and gets considerably more assists than either.

Matt at best is an average player, for sure he is not a point guard but who is on this team besides Derrick.  The point is that MU really does not have a competent point guard, Derrick is at
least serviceable this year, but really can not be in at the end of games.  A point guard that can not score and Carlino is not quick enough, period.  This is why next year looks great on paper
but not sure on the court with no point guard.  I have been told, that the coaching staff thinks that Hanif can step in and be the point next year.  Freshman, not sure but the staff thinks he might be the most underated player in the Top 100, they think Top 50.

[JakeBarnes]

Matt at best is an average player, for sure he is not a point guard but who is on this team besides Derrick.  The point is that MU really does not have a competent point guard, Derrick is at
least serviceable this year, but really can not be in at the end of games.  A point guard that can not score and Carlino is not quick enough, period.  This is why next year looks great on paper
but not sure on the court with no point guard.  I have been told, that the coaching staff thinks that Hanif can step in and be the point next year.  Freshman, not sure but the staff thinks he might be the most underated player in the Top 100, they think Top 50.

On top of that I've seen a few recruiting sites saying he is the best defensive player out of the incoming Big East freshmen.

[brandx]

I guess it begs the question of "what is a chucker?"

I think it is based more on shot selection rather than frequency of shots.  Someone who shoots a 25' shot 5-7 seconds into the shot clock, could certainly be considered a chucker in my book.  Because he doesn't shoot again for 5 more minutes doesn't change the fact that he chucked one up..............even though in this scenario he only took two shots in 5 min.

If he has a wide open look 5-7 seconds into the shot clock, then it is a good shot just as much as if he is 30 seconds into the shot clock. There is no guarantee that each possession will include a good shot, so any time there is a wide open look, go for it.

It sure beats DW dribbling and backing away from the basket with 8 seconds on the shot clock.

[We R Final Four]

I didnt say they were wide open, and they are not.  Ask a grade school/HS/college coach if it is better to work the ball around for 30 seconds and wear the D down, or shoot the ball the first chance you get cuz its open?

I agree with you that if the only two options are Carlino launching one up early or DeWill looking to pass behind him with 5 sec on the shot clock--Ill take the moonshot.

[brandx]

I didnt say they were wide open, and they are not.  Ask a grade school/HS/college coach if it is better to work the ball around for 30 seconds and wear the D down, or shoot the ball the first chance you get cuz its open?

I agree with you that if the only two options are Carlino launching one up early or DeWill looking to pass behind him with 5 sec on the shot clock--Ill take the moonshot.

The purpose of running any offense is to get good, open shots. I don't care if they are 5 seconds or 32 seconds into the clock. There is no guarantee on any possession that you will get a good shot, but my feeling is that if it is there, take it, any time.

I understand why you (and a lot of coaches) don't want to do this - especially if the other team is more talented and you want to slow the game down.

I just get tired of seeing teams scramble and throw up a bad shot with 2 seconds on the clock after passing up a wide open look 25 seconds earlier.

[We R Final Four]

It is a pretty simple concept to make a team play D for 30 seconds on every possession prior to a shot. The number of open shots that this creates is astronomical compared to the first 5 seconds.

Because this year's team cannot capitalize on this approach does not mean it is better to chuck it up in the first 5 seconds.

[keefe]

I am a horse's ass

Dat's something like a dupa, aina?

[MU82]

The purpose of running any offense is to get good, open shots. I don't care if they are 5 seconds or 32 seconds into the clock. There is no guarantee on any possession that you will get a good shot, but my feeling is that if it is there, take it, any time.

I understand why you (and a lot of coaches) don't want to do this - especially if the other team is more talented and you want to slow the game down.

I just get tired of seeing teams scramble and throw up a bad shot with 2 seconds on the clock after passing up a wide open look 25 seconds earlier.

I'm with you on that! It's bad enough in the pros, and most of those guys are at least adept at making difficult shots.

As a middle-school coach, I like any decent shot by any decent shooter. My reasoning: Any shot is better than a turnover!

[Stretchdeltsig]

So NN is a God shooter?

[4everwarriors]

Seriously doubt it.

[mr.MUskie]

So NN is a God shooter?

So, God is dead?

[Dawson Rental]

So, God is dead?

So, we've gone from Noskowiak to Nietzsche...

[mr.MUskie]

So, we've gone from Noskowiak to Nietzsche...

Played for the Packers, aina?

[keefe]

Played for the Packers, aina?

Ya. Missin all of his teat, aina?

[4everwarriors]

You rang?