"We call him 'Avante' because he does not have any 'D'...."
Keep justinfying it all you want Buzz.
HE IS YOUR BEST GODDAMN PLAYER. Offense. Defense. HE IS YOU BEST PLAYER.
I know, I am not a college basketball coach(since this is a turning point for you wadesworld) and you Buzz have done fantastic in your 6 years here. But this year is getting obnoxious.
STOP, finding reasons to pile on Davante. STOP going to creepy lengths to defend Derrick(hes playing well right now, just the defense mode from B is weird). Most importantly STOP starting Chris and Juan together.
They may be great people. They may come to practice and play hard. But, this is not 6th grade in house basketball. Play your best guys.
I should be just enjoying this win but this comment really pissed me off.
Why can't our good players get complements?
Davante played his most complete game of the year. And Buzz was smart enough to ride him as the Georgetown bigs paraded to the bench.
He says what needs to be said to keep the motors running on each of his players. If he thinks the player can handle a chip on his shoulder he gives him one. If he thinks the player needs TLC to keep motivated throughout the year while he's constantly trashed by fans, he'll give him that TLC.
This isn't a new concept from buzz. Not sure why so many posters have singled in on these comments this year.
Quote from: g0lden3agle on February 28, 2014, 05:23:06 AM
He says what needs to be said to keep the motors running on each of his players. If he thinks the player can handle a chip on his shoulder he gives him one. If he thinks the player needs TLC to keep motivated throughout the year while he's constantly trashed by fans, he'll give him that TLC.
This isn't a new concept from buzz. Not sure why so many posters have singled in on these comments this year.
I disagree. He defends someone like Derrick(again not bashing him as he as been fine lately)
But says "vander was average, Junior was ok, trent was bad"
Seriously? we lost 3 not good players and are fighting for our lives to make the tourney?
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 28, 2014, 05:36:34 AM
Seriously? we lost 3 not good players and are fighting for our lives to make the tourney?
I completely disagree. We lost three good (not great) two-way players. No one this year has stepped up replace them. I believe the lack of 2-way players, which forces constantly changing lineups, combined with little upperclass leadership, are the basic problems of this year's team.
Plus, you, I and most of this Board have no issue criticizing players behind the anonymity of Scoop. If you don't object to that, why do you object to Buzz, who is with these players every day, saying what he did publicly?
Quote from: Archies Bat on February 28, 2014, 05:55:41 AM
I completely disagree. We lost three good (not great) two-way players. No one this year has stepped up replace them. I believe the lack of 2-way players, which forces constantly changing lineups, combined with little upperclass leadership, are the basic problems of this year's team.
Plus, you, I and most of this Board have no issue criticizing players behind the anonymity of Scoop. If you don't object to that, why do you object to Buzz, who is with these players every day, saying what he did publicly?
I think you really missed the ball on this one.
Quote from: Archies Bat on February 28, 2014, 05:59:43 AM
How so?
Cmon man.
Re read my post.
You say you disagree, and then call those guys "good".
Can you not tell in my post that I think it is idiotic that Buzz called the 3 of them bad?
So what are you disagreeing with?
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 28, 2014, 06:05:02 AM
Cmon man.
Re read my post.
You say you disagree, and then call those guys "good".
Can you not tell in my post that I think it is idiotic that Buzz called the 3 of them bad?
So what are you disagreeing with?
Please look at my post. I quoted and disagreed with your comment that we lost three players that were not good. You think Vander, Junior and Trent were not good players, or did I misread? As my post said, I thought they were good, not great.
Quote from: Archies Bat on February 28, 2014, 06:10:40 AM
Please look at my post. I quoted and disagreed with your comment that we lost three players that were not good. You think Vander, Junior and Trent were not good players, or did I misread? As my post said, I thought they were good, not great.
DUDE BUZZ SAID THAT. NOT ME.
I was posting how asinine it is that he calls out players but defense the bad ones
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 28, 2014, 05:15:05 AM
"We call him 'Avante' because he does not have any 'D'...."
Keep justinfying it all you want Buzz.
HE IS YOUR BEST GODDAMN PLAYER. Offense. Defense. HE IS YOU BEST PLAYER.
I know, I am not a college basketball coach(since this is a turning point for you wadesworld) and you Buzz have done fantastic in your 6 years here. But this year is getting obnoxious.
STOP, finding reasons to pile on Davante. STOP going to creepy lengths to defend Derrick(hes playing well right now, just the defense mode from B is weird). Most importantly STOP starting Chris and Juan together.
They may be great people. They may come to practice and play hard. But, this is not 6th grade in house basketball. Play your best guys.
I should be just enjoying this win but this comment really pissed me off.
Why can't our good players get complements?
+1000. Buzz made the comments in the post game show when asked about Davante's performance. And guess what, Buzz talked more about Chris in that segment. Sort of like his comments about Derek and his gamechanger, best defender he has ever coached. Buzz has his pets and he is not going to change. More Buzzspeak.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 28, 2014, 06:12:00 AM
DUDE BUZZ SAID THAT. NOT ME.
I was posting how asinine it is that he calls out players but defense the bad ones
I understand. We all have reading issues on this board. I was not commenting on that part of your post. I specifically quoted the last line of your post where you say Vander, Junior and Trent were not good. Did I misread that last line? If not, I still say I disagree with that statement, but you are entitled to your oprinion. We disagree. I did not compare your opinion to that of a third grader (as you did with Juan's play on another thread).
Quote from: Archies Bat on February 28, 2014, 06:16:58 AM
I understand. We all have reading issues on this board. I was not commenting on that part of your post. I specifically quoted the last line of your post where you say Vander, Junior and Trent were not good. Did I misread that last line? If not, I still say I disagree with that statement, but you are entitled to your oprinion. We disagree. I did not compare your opinion to that of a third grader (as you did with Juan's play on another thread).
I just reread your last line, and can see a way you were referring to Buzz, not giving your opinion they were not good. If that is your intent, sorry for the confusion. I just did not read it that way.
Quote from: Archies Bat on February 28, 2014, 06:16:58 AM
I understand. We all have reading issues on this board. I was not commenting on that part of your post. I specifically quoted the last line of your post where you say Vander, Junior and Trent were not good. Did I misread that last line? If not, I still say I disagree with that statement, but you are entitled to your oprinion. We disagree. I did not compare your opinion to that of a third grader (as you did with Juan's play on another thread).
yeah just read your second post now.
that was my intent. I thought it was stupid buzz said that about them when as you can see we are struggling without them
He does what he can to motivate his playes. Besides that does anyone here think Gardner is an overall good defensive player? He is decent in the low block, but has limitations as his player takes the ball outside.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 28, 2014, 05:36:34 AM
I disagree. He defends someone like Derrick(again not bashing him as he as been fine lately)
But says "vander was average, Junior was ok, trent was bad"
Seriously? we lost 3 not good players and are fighting for our lives to make the tourney?
How does Buzz "trashing" Vander Junior and Trent disprove my point? Again, this all has to do with the way these players function. Without being in the locker room I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was the way he talked to Vander Junior and Trent while they were on the team. He rides the guys that he knows can take the beating. He's always ridden Davante to try to get the best out of him, and he's continuing that trend this year.
There must be something about Derrick's personality that makes Buzz think Derrick doesn't need any more of a beating than he's already getting.
Quote from: bilsu on February 28, 2014, 06:53:06 AM
He does what he can to motivate his playes. Besides that does anyone here think Gardner is an overall good defensive player? He is decent in the low block, but has limitations as his player takes the ball outside.
You'd be amazed.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 28, 2014, 05:15:05 AM
"We call him 'Avante' because he does not have any 'D'...."
Keep justinfying it all you want Buzz.
HE IS YOUR BEST GODDAMN PLAYER. Offense. Defense. HE IS YOU BEST PLAYER.
I know, I am not a college basketball coach(since this is a turning point for you wadesworld) and you Buzz have done fantastic in your 6 years here. But this year is getting obnoxious.
STOP, finding reasons to pile on Davante. STOP going to creepy lengths to defend Derrick(hes playing well right now, just the defense mode from B is weird). Most importantly STOP starting Chris and Juan together.
They may be great people. They may come to practice and play hard. But, this is not 6th grade in house basketball. Play your best guys.
I should be just enjoying this win but this comment really pissed me off.
Why can't our good players get complements?
What I understood from the interview was that Mac and Homer said they called him Savante and Buzz said that he called him Avante to get him upset because his lack of D and they all laughed. I think it is more of a motivational thing in practice. Do not think Buzz said it to put Davante down. Buzz is a defense first coach while other coaches are offensive oriented. To Buzz D is most important part of game and whether we think is right or wrong that is who he is as a coach. Finally if Davante was really bothered by that I do not think he would have stayed the 4 yrs. Have you heard any of Butler's interviews now that he is with the Bulls? He says Buzz was so hard on him he wanted to transfer, but was convinced not to transfer. Just who Buzz is and he is not going to change.
Quote from: g0lden3agle on February 28, 2014, 06:53:16 AM
How does Buzz "trashing" Vander Junior and Trent disprove my point? Again, this all has to do with the way these players function. Without being in the locker room I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was the way he talked to Vander Junior and Trent while they were on the team. He rides the guys that he knows can take the beating. He's always ridden Davante to try to get the best out of him, and he's continuing that trend this year.
There must be something about Derrick's personality that makes Buzz think Derrick doesn't need any more of a beating than he's already getting.
So you're saying that all good players can take a beating and the bad ones need to be talked up? Seriously?
Are you a fan of color by numbers?
By most accounts Buzz's players respect him, and like playing for him. Buzz has his players back and their best interest in mind, that's obvious.
These are young adults, if you sugar coat everything for them all the time, they will see through the bullsheet. Buzz tells it like it is both ways. If you don't criticize when it is warranted, then the positive comments mean nothing. Al did the same thing all the time.
Is it better to criticize in private and compliment in public? Perhaps, but that is Buzz's style for better or worse. His players seem to respect him and he has the pulse of his team and knows whose buttons to push and who to back off.
It's a bit disingenuous to come out and criticizes Buzz for the way he handles his players when you are not in the locker room or on the team. The mock outrage on this message board has gotten to the point of being comical.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 28, 2014, 07:13:09 AM
So you're saying that all good players can take a beating and the bad ones need to be talked up? Seriously?
Are you a fan of color by numbers?
Does he beat on Jamil? Did he ever beat on DJO? Butler? Before that one comment about Blue/Jr/Trent being average, a comment you're totally taking out of context, did he beat on Trent and Jr last year? There's plenty of good players he didn't beat on because they didn't need that motivation.
This has nothing to do with them being good/bad. It has to do with what makes these players tick.
Quote from: g0lden3agle on February 28, 2014, 07:19:23 AM
Does he beat on Jamil? Did he ever beat on DJO? Butler? Before that one comment about Blue/Jr/Trent being average, a comment you're totally taking out of context, did he beat on Trent and Jr last year? There's plenty of good players he didn't beat on because they didn't need that motivation.
This has nothing to do with them being good/bad. It has to do with what makes these players tick.
That is MY POINT.
He waited until they are gone. Then said that they were not that good. Yet in reality, without them...we are fighting to even stay on the bubble.
How in the world are you not seeing this? Are you satisfied with being a desperation tourney team?
It's obnoxious the way he talks up someone like Derrick but bases Davante. He did it last game too saying Davante was "not smart" giving the ball to a 47% free throw shooter.
IT WAS BUZZ WHO PUT THE 47% FREE THROW SHOOTER IN THE GAME. How is it Davante's fault he found the open man that BUZZ put on the court?
yeah...you often hear MU players discuss how they feel that buzz doesn't believe in them. they leave MU, cut off all contact, and refuse to come back.
have you ever seen buzz chew a player out on the court during a game?
I love Davante, but he can't play 40 minutes of basketball. He needs to sit for stretches due to conditioning issues. I think that May be part of why Buzz puts him in games later so he is there at the end when needed most.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 28, 2014, 07:25:10 AM
That is MY POINT.
He waited until they are gone. Then said that they were not that good. Yet in reality, without them...we are fighting to even stay on the bubble.
How in the world are you not seeing this? Are you satisfied with being a desperation tourney team?
It's obnoxious the way he talks up someone like Derrick but bases Davante. He did it last game too saying Davante was "not smart" giving the ball to a 47% free throw shooter.
IT WAS BUZZ WHO PUT THE 47% FREE THROW SHOOTER IN THE GAME. How is it Davante's fault he found the open man that BUZZ put on the court?
No, you're taking his comment out of context. He was trying to get his team to buy into the fact that they can do this without Junior Vander and Trent. Had Buzz said "Don't worry about what this program lost, worry about what the team this year is doing." it would have meant the same thing.
Can you please try to take a couple deep breaths prior to replying? Maybe jot your thoughts down on a piece of paper, and cross out any of the ones that have nothing to do with this topic? Your style of posting makes your posts very difficult to read, bouncing from one grief to another for no reason.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 28, 2014, 07:25:10 AM
That is MY POINT.
He waited until they are gone. Then said that they were not that good. Yet in reality, without them...we are fighting to even stay on the bubble.
How in the world are you not seeing this? Are you satisfied with being a desperation tourney team?
It's obnoxious the way he talks up someone like Derrick but bases Davante. He did it last game too saying Davante was "not smart" giving the ball to a 47% free throw shooter.
IT WAS BUZZ WHO PUT THE 47% FREE THROW SHOOTER IN THE GAME. How is it Davante's fault he found the open man that BUZZ put on the court?
Good Christ, take a Valium.
+1 golden. Someone who finally gets it.
Quote from: bilsu on February 28, 2014, 06:53:06 AM
He does what he can to motivate his playes. Besides that does anyone here think Gardner is an overall good defensive player? He is decent in the low block, but has limitations as his player takes the ball outside.
And so does Otule--so what is the point.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 28, 2014, 07:25:10 AM
That is MY POINT.
He waited until they are gone. Then said that they were not that good. Yet in reality, without them...we are fighting to even stay on the bubble.
How in the world are you not seeing this? Are you satisfied with being a desperation tourney team?
It's obnoxious the way he talks up someone like Derrick but bases Davante. He did it last game too saying Davante was "not smart" giving the ball to a 47% free throw shooter.
IT WAS BUZZ WHO PUT THE 47% FREE THROW SHOOTER IN THE GAME. How is it Davante's fault he found the open man that BUZZ put on the court?
Agreed Hayward. He disses Gardner for throwing the ball to Buzz's gamechanging PG--who cannot shoot FT's--or shoot period... and is only in there because of Buzz's lovefest for him. More Buzz Williams BS. But most cannot see through that BS. He says whatever he wants to justify his decisions, even if they are logically ridiculous.
Quote from: g0lden3agle on February 28, 2014, 07:19:23 AM
Does he beat on Jamil? Did he ever beat on DJO? Butler? Before that one comment about Blue/Jr/Trent being average, a comment you're totally taking out of context, did he beat on Trent and Jr last year? There's plenty of good players he didn't beat on because they didn't need that motivation.
This has nothing to do with them being good/bad. It has to do with what makes these players tick.
Well, if it has to do with what makes these players tick--he is batting less than 50/50. He is not getting Jamil and Mayo to tick consistently as both are wildly inconsistent. And he never says anything negative about either. How is he doing with Juan who is performing well below where he should be at this point of his career. Same could be said about Taylor. And by the way, all three need motivation. Buzz has totally given up on Triple J this year. So Buzz's motivational techniques, whatever in hell they are still have a long way to go. But thanks for sticking up for Buzz--we did not know he was such a psychological expert.
Haywards, why are you getting so wrapped up in a few off-handed comments during a post game radio interview?
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 28, 2014, 08:10:44 AM
Haywards, why are you getting so wrapped up in a few off-handed comments during a post game radio interview?
Sometimes, the answer is hidden in the question. (hint: "Haywards")
This thread is dumb
Quote from: willie warrior on February 28, 2014, 08:04:29 AM
Well, if it has to do with what makes these players tick--he is batting less than 50/50. He is not getting Jamil and Mayo to tick consistently as both are wildly inconsistent. And he never says anything negative about either. How is he doing with Juan who is performing well below where he should be at this point of his career. Same could be said about Taylor. And by the way, all three need motivation. Buzz has totally given up on Triple J this year. So Buzz's motivational techniques, whatever in hell they are still have a long way to go. But thanks for sticking up for Buzz--we did not know he was such a psychological expert.
And you are? By and large Buzz has been making the same comments about the same players every year they've been here. Where were you the last 5 years complaining about Buzz's use of post game comments?
I agree. This thread is obnoxious.
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Yes, Buzz did say publicly that he rips on Gardener by calling him "Avante". In his post-game interview with Homer True after the game he IMMEDIATELY followed that comment by mentioning how well Otule has been playing on the defensive end, and the idea of putting Otule in for defensive purposes "hurts Davante's feelings". Buzz then said that he feels that drives Gardener to become a better defender. He also added that the same goes with Otule and his part on the offensive end.
As much as Buzz loves Wilson (and I agree he plays too many minutes for what he brings to the court), He's simply a better defender than any of our other guards. Buzz recognizes that we are a bubble team at best, and because of that he has to coach EVERY game on a possession by possession basis. He, himself, said that he must "treat every possession as if it were the most important one in the game."
Buzz also said that MU is finally starting to play to their strengths and avoid their weaknesses. Wilson took one shot yesterday, and missed, but got to the line 6 times. The alternative, Dawson, missed all four shots, (which includes a layup and a poor decision on a 3 early in the shot clock).
Dawson will learn, and improve. But for now, Buzz really only has Wilson to carry the point guard role since Duane is injured.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 28, 2014, 05:15:05 AM
"We call him 'Avante' because he does not have any 'D'...."
Keep justinfying it all you want Buzz.
HE IS YOUR BEST GODDAMN PLAYER. Offense. Defense. HE IS YOU BEST PLAYER.
I know, I am not a college basketball coach(since this is a turning point for you wadesworld) and you Buzz have done fantastic in your 6 years here. But this year is getting obnoxious.
STOP, finding reasons to pile on Davante. STOP going to creepy lengths to defend Derrick(hes playing well right now, just the defense mode from B is weird). Most importantly STOP starting Chris and Juan together.
They may be great people. They may come to practice and play hard. But, this is not 6th grade in house basketball. Play your best guys.
I should be just enjoying this win but this comment really pissed me off.
Why can't our good players get complements?
I just realized that you said in another thread that you were intoxicated for a good portion of the game.
I really do suggest that you no longer post here when drunk. Take it or leave it.
Where is JJJ? Is he gone?
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 28, 2014, 08:42:20 AM
I just realized that you said in another thread that you were intoxicated for a good portion of the game.
I really do suggest that you no longer post here when drunk. Take it or leave it.
He's been going strong through this morning. Must be on to the morning after bloody mary's
Quote from: Archies Bat on February 28, 2014, 05:55:41 AM
I completely disagree. We lost three good (not great) two-way players. No one this year has stepped up replace them. I believe the lack of 2-way players, which forces constantly changing lineups, combined with little upperclass leadership, are the basic problems of this year's team.
Plus, you, I and most of this Board have no issue criticizing players behind the anonymity of Scoop. If you don't object to that, why do you object to Buzz, who is with these players every day, saying what he did publicly?
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Has anyone ever considered changing Marquette's nickname back to Warriors?
Quote from: g0lden3agle on February 28, 2014, 08:20:56 AM
And you are? By and large Buzz has been making the same comments about the same players every year they've been here. Where were you the last 5 years complaining about Buzz's use of post game comments?
I never claimed to be, but plenty here are saying Buzz is a motivational genius/stud. I have been talking about Buzz's BS for a long time. Your comment indicates you want more. I would expect better out of a slurper who blindly believes everything the guy says. And others on this board note how Buzz disses certain players and others he only raves about. I did hear one bit of frankness from Buzz in past few weeks. He did comment on how he knows that Derrick can't shoot.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 28, 2014, 10:06:37 AM
I never claimed to be, but plenty here are saying Buzz is a motivational genius/stud. I have been talking about Buzz's BS for a long time. Your comment indicates you want more. I would expect better out of a slurper who blindly believes everything the guy says. And others on this board note how Buzz disses certain players and others he only raves about. I did hear one bit of frankness from Buzz in past few weeks. He did comment on how he knows that Derrick can't shoot.
Aren't you the one blindly believing everything he says by taking his comments about Davante/Derrick/etc at face value and criticizing him for it?
Again, thanks for the name calling.
Quote from: GoldenCoachD on February 28, 2014, 08:38:18 AM
Yes, Buzz did say publicly that he rips on Gardener by calling him "Avante". In his post-game interview with Homer True after the game he IMMEDIATELY followed that comment by mentioning how well Otule has been playing on the defensive end, and the idea of putting Otule in for defensive purposes "hurts Davante's feelings". Buzz then said that he feels that drives Gardener to become a better defender. He also added that the same goes with Otule and his part on the offensive end.
As much as Buzz loves Wilson (and I agree he plays too many minutes for what he brings to the court), He's simply a better defender than any of our other guards. Buzz recognizes that we are a bubble team at best, and because of that he has to coach EVERY game on a possession by possession basis. He, himself, said that he must "treat every possession as if it were the most important one in the game."
Buzz also said that MU is finally starting to play to their strengths and avoid their weaknesses. Wilson took one shot yesterday, and missed, but got to the line 6 times. The alternative, Dawson, missed all four shots, (which includes a layup and a poor decision on a 3 early in the shot clock).
Dawson will learn, and improve. But for now, Buzz really only has Wilson to carry the point guard role since Duane is injured.
HH, This is the point that you somehow completely missed. He's saying it to motivate. By telling Davante he can't play D, he is way more motivated to work his ass off to get to the point where Buzz will play him on D. Same with Otule and offense. It's a coaching technique.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 28, 2014, 05:15:05 AM
Why can't our good players get complements?
Hayward
Were you ever in an all-male environment? Sports team? Military? College of Engineering?
That's how guys interact. Men don't hug and cry then eat quiche together. They flip each other sh1t. Fact of life, man.
Some people need/want a last place trophy.
What I have learned here is it is ok for some coaches to criticize players publicly.....not so ok for others. Mileage will vary based on driving conditions.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 28, 2014, 11:27:46 AM
What I have learned here is it is ok for some coaches to criticize players publicly.....not so ok for others. Mileage will vary based on driving conditions.
But we like Buzz. We effing hate Crean.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 28, 2014, 11:27:46 AM
What I have learned here is it is ok for some coaches to criticize players publicly.....not so ok for others. Mileage will vary based on driving conditions.
Let the record show who brought Crean into the discussion.
Quote from: g0lden3agle on February 28, 2014, 10:22:03 AM
Aren't you the one blindly believing everything he says by taking his comments about Davante/Derrick/etc at face value and criticizing him for it?
Again, thanks for the name calling.
Oh, I get your point. Some of his comments we should take at face value and others we should not. Problem is...which ones? I do not take a lot of what he says at face value because a lot of it is his lonesome cowboy homespun Buzzspeak. Some Others on this board wait on his every comment, and take it as gospel. It does seem odd that he disses Gardner frequently when he is as near a stud as we have on the team, and he never says anything about the inconsistency of guys like Jamil or Todd. I find that as inconsistent treatment. Some others probably think it is charming. Point is, I guess, In Buzz We Trust to some, and to some it is hard difficult to know what he is saying. Biggest example is: Derrick is a game changer and the best defensive player he has ever coached. Buzz said that--and neither are true.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 28, 2014, 05:15:05 AM
"We call him 'Avante' because he does not have any 'D'...."
Keep justinfying it all you want Buzz.
HE IS YOUR BEST GODDAMN PLAYER. Offense. Defense. HE IS YOU BEST PLAYER.
I know, I am not a college basketball coach(since this is a turning point for you wadesworld) and you Buzz have done fantastic in your 6 years here. But this year is getting obnoxious.
STOP, finding reasons to pile on Davante. STOP going to creepy lengths to defend Derrick(hes playing well right now, just the defense mode from B is weird). Most importantly STOP starting Chris and Juan together.
They may be great people. They may come to practice and play hard. But, this is not 6th grade in house basketball. Play your best guys.
I should be just enjoying this win but this comment really pissed me off.
Why can't our good players get complements?
You're clueless as to motivation. Buzz is doing the exact same thing that Al McGwire did. He picks out one or two "whipping boys" - guys that he knows can take it and need it - and uses them as examples for the team. Davante knows exactly what Buzz is doing and why. Nobody plays in a vacuum when they are playing for Buzz.
We may not always know what is going on with the team, but every player certainly knows the reasons Buzz is doing what he is doing.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 28, 2014, 08:10:44 AM
Haywards, why are you getting so wrapped up in a few off-handed comments during a post game radio interview?
because Buzz gets wrapped up in what people say about Derrick?
same way he claims that he doesn't care what people say but yet always make a point to mention it.
I just do not get and will never get. Why he talks up lesser players for "little things" and looks for any way to find something wrong with Davante etc.. And no it isn't the "they are good they can take it, they are bad they need it" approach.
I'm not saying he has to bad mouth Derrick or anyone. But I'd like to see him go to bat for someone like Davante or Todd or Deonte like he does Derrick, Jake etc..
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 28, 2014, 11:53:22 AM
because Buzz gets wrapped up in what people say about Derrick?
same way he claims that he doesn't care what people say but yet always make a point to mention it.
I just do not get and will never get. Why he talks up lesser players for "little things" and looks for any way to find something wrong with Davante etc.. And no it isn't the "they are good they can take it, they are bad they need it" approach.
I'm not saying he has to bad mouth Derrick or anyone. But I'd like to see him go to bat for someone like Davante or Todd or Deonte like he does Derrick, Jake etc..
Are you their mother? Again, why do you care?
Quote from: brandx on February 28, 2014, 11:45:43 AM
You're clueless as to motivation. Buzz is doing the exact same thing that Al McGwire did. He picks out one or two "whipping boys" - guys that he knows can take it and need it - and uses them as examples for the team. Davante knows exactly what Buzz is doing and why. Nobody plays in a vacuum when they are playing for Buzz.
We may not always know what is going on with the team, but every player certainly knows the reasons Buzz is doing what he is doing.
Yeah but it really isn't motivation.
I mean like I said he made it a point last game for calling out Davante not being smart and passing the ball to Derrick a 47% foul shooter.
a few games prior(Butler I believe) he was made that Davante was dribbling out the clock like a PG. This time he gives it up to the open man and it's not smart?
I mean if you don't want Derrick in that situation, why is he in the game? I just don't see how that can be called out as Davante's mental mistake...I mean hell it's sure as heck a lot better than throwing it up in the air to the other team which he did the next time lol.
Quote from: reinko on February 28, 2014, 11:54:56 AM
Are you their mother? Again, why do you care?
Second uncle through adoption.
Now that we got that out of the way...
Same reason people care that Juan gets his props for hustling!!!
I want our good players getting their props for being the only reason we are not challenging Temple for who is worse at basketball.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 28, 2014, 11:56:28 AM
Yeah but it really isn't motivation.
I mean like I said he made it a point last game for calling out Davante not being smart and passing the ball to Derrick a 47% foul shooter.
a few games prior(Butler I believe) he was made that Davante was dribbling out the clock like a PG. This time he gives it up to the open man and it's not smart?
I mean if you don't want Derrick in that situation, why is he in the game? I just don't see how that can be called out as Davante's mental mistake...I mean hell it's sure as heck a lot better than throwing it up in the air to the other team which he did the next time lol.
It is motivation. When I played, I needed a coach that would jump on me every time I screwed up. I needed it to play better. I knew when I made a bad play and I knew that the coach knew I made a bad play. And once he jumped on me - then it was gone from my mind.
Quote from: brandx on February 28, 2014, 12:01:30 PM
It is motivation. When I played, I needed a coach that would jump on me every time I screwed up. I needed it to play better. I knew when I made a bad play and I knew that the coach knew I made a bad play. And once he jumped on me - then it was gone from my mind.
Yeah I know. There are players who need to and can handle being yelled at. And there are those ones that need to be kindly told what they did wrong.
But you don't need to make it a point to publicly yell at the best player. Especially when in some cases(like the giving the ball to derrick for fts) you are even more at fault for allowing that scenario an opportunity to play out.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 28, 2014, 11:58:05 AM
Second uncle through adoption.
Now that we got that out of the way...
Same reason people care that Juan gets his props for hustling!!!
I want our good players getting their props for being the only reason we are not challenging Temple for who is worse at basketball.
At the end of the season, Buzz will bring in Stuart Smalley to give each player a button that says "I am good enough"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DIETlxquzY
I have to admit, I don't understand this thread at all. Why get bent out of shape about what Buzz says in a quickie radio interview after a game? Why get mad at fellow MU fans for their interpretation of those comments? None of us has any idea why Buzz says anything he says, or how helpful or harmful it is. Why even think about it?
I completely understand arguments about who he plays, defensive strategy, starting lineups, use of freshmen, etc. This one mystifies me.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 28, 2014, 12:08:04 PM
I have to admit, I don't understand this thread at all. Why get bent out of shape about what Buzz says in a quickie radio interview after a game? Why get mad at fellow MU fans for their interpretation of those comments? None of us has any idea why Buzz says anything he says, or how helpful or harmful it is. Why even think about it?
I completely understand arguments about who he plays, defensive strategy, starting lineups, use of freshmen, etc. This one mystifies me.
You're right - that was kinda my point. Buzz picks out some guys to criticize, some guys he always defends. It is strictly a motivational tool that has to do with the inner dynamics of the team that we know nothing about.
Quote from: brandx on February 28, 2014, 12:11:51 PM
It is strictly a motivational tool that has to do with the inner dynamics of the team that we know nothing about.
Exactly. I rather doubt Gardner was ever curled up in the fetal position in the bathtub crying because Buzz made him the butt of a joke.
Now, Larry Williams calling out Buzz's job performance in the Milwaukee Journal is a very different matter.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 28, 2014, 12:08:04 PM
I completely understand arguments about who he plays, defensive strategy, starting lineups, use of freshmen, etc. This one mystifies me.
Pretty simple really...someone looking for something to complain about. Since the game went pretty well. Dawson played. Thomas scored, etc., some folks just need to find something for which they can criticize Buzz, or they won't wont be
happy.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on February 28, 2014, 12:18:10 PM
Pretty simple really...someone looking for something to complain about. Since the game went pretty well. Dawson played. Thomas scored, etc., some folks just need to find something for which they can criticize Buzz, or they won't wont be happy.
+1000
I'm sad, Buzz Williams is making my team's basketball players sad, by saying sad things to some of them and nice things to others.
NOT FAIR!
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Quote from: bilsu on February 28, 2014, 06:53:06 AM
He does what he can to motivate his playes. Besides that does anyone here think Gardner is an overall good defensive player? He is decent in the low block, but has limitations as his player takes the ball outside.
Agree totally. People are not understanding what Buzz is doing to motivate. If Gardner reads the boards, or if the boards are any indication of the fan base, then he has everyone telling him how great he is, whereas Jake and DWill, have everyone telling them they suck. Buzz is just building up the unsung players, (Chris, Jake and DWill) letting them know he appreciates their contributions and how important their contributions are to the team's success. while letting Davante know he has room for improvement.
Gardner's mom told Buzz to stay on him. Momma knows how to motivate DG.
I never understand criticizing players publically. Never have, never will. If Buzz wants to rip Davante to pieces in practice I have no problem with it. His defense does need work and if ripping him helps motivate him to play better, have at it. But Davante's defense is the least of this teams worries, yet it is the most commented on deficiency by the head coach. Most of the posters are right, different players do need different types of motivation. We all know that Derrick doesn't need to be publically ripped any more than he already has been. I personally prefer the "we" answer to all questions by the media. Point is all of this stuff should be done behind closed doors. I haven't heard anyone give a good reason why this is necessary. Because Buzz does it, so it must be right, isn't a good answer. It doesn't add up, and does come off as "obnoxious."
Quote from: BenCat12 on February 28, 2014, 08:54:32 PM
I never understand criticizing players publically. Never have, never will. If Buzz wants to rip Davante to pieces in practice I have no problem with it. His defense does need work and if ripping him helps motivate him to play better, have at it. But Davante's defense is the least of this teams worries, yet it is the most commented on deficiency by the head coach. Most of the posters are right, different players do need different types of motivation. We all know that Derrick doesn't need to be publically ripped any more than he already has been. I personally prefer the "we" answer to all questions by the media. Point is all of this stuff should be done behind closed doors. I haven't heard anyone give a good reason why this is necessary. Because Buzz does it, so it must be right, isn't a good answer. It doesn't add up, and does come off as "obnoxious."
Who said it is necessary? I just don't think it's that big of a deal.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 28, 2014, 08:58:15 PM
Who said it is necessary? I just don't think it's that big of a deal.
Its not a big deal, its obnoxious. I'm sure you can relate ;)
The constant questioning of what Buzz does, given his track record of success, is f*cking mind boggling
Quote from: keefe on February 28, 2014, 12:15:25 PM
Exactly. I rather doubt Gardner was ever curled up in the fetal position in the bathtub crying because Buzz made him the butt of a joke.
Now, Larry Williams calling out Buzz's job performance in the Milwaukee Journal is a very different matter.
Larry calling out Buzz got a lot of other people crying in the bathtub.
This thread is a great example of why whining parents make coaches lives miserable.
Sigh...I don't have the energy to read this entire thread. But to respond to the OP.
Davante has enough people telling him he is great. To keep him grounded, Buzz criticizes his play.
Derrick has enough people telling him he is awful (not just on here, people have contacted him directly to scream at him). To get his confidence up, Buzz talks him up.
I use this strategy as a supervisor all the time. I challenge my star employees so they don't get content and push themselves even more. I do this up to the point that they get frustrated (if they ever get there) and then I switch to supporting them. My less than stellar employees I support them so they don't lose hope and gain confidence. I do this until they either become star employees, or they are to the point of being a significant detriment to the team. Then I challenge them to step up or be let go.
It's called Samford's Theory of Challenge and Support. It is a widely used strategy and has been employed by thousands of supervisors and many coaches in all sports.
It seems consistent with banishing his gifted players for the summer to work on their attitudes while stopping practice to have a communal acknowledgement of Mbao making his first basket in a scrimmage.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 01, 2014, 02:17:06 AM
Sigh...I don't have the energy to read this entire thread. But to respond to the OP.
Davante has enough people telling him he is great. To keep him grounded, Buzz criticizes his play.
Derrick has enough people telling him he is awful (not just on here, people have contacted him directly to scream at him). To get his confidence up, Buzz talks him up.
I use this strategy as a supervisor all the time. I challenge my star employees so they don't get content and push themselves even more. I do this up to the point that they get frustrated (if they ever get there) and then I switch to supporting them. My less than stellar employees I support them so they don't lose hope and gain confidence. I do this until they either become star employees, or they are to the point of being a significant detriment to the team. Then I challenge them to step up or be let go.
It's called Samford's Theory of Challenge and Support. It is a widely used strategy and has been employed by thousands of supervisors and many coaches in all sports.
Just out of curiosity, does that include lying to people? Like Buzz saying Derrick is a game changer and the best defender he has ever coached--neither which is true. Do you tell your less than stellar clerk employee: "You are the best we have ever had here; or an average analyst: "you are the best analyst I have ever had employed" etc. Those serve nobody well when evaluating performance. You can call them motivational techniques, or spin, or BS or lies. I guess it is all OK, as long as nobody's "feelings" are hurt. The old ends justify the means.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 01, 2014, 08:26:31 AM
Just out of curiosity, does that include lying to people? Like Buzz saying Derrick is a game changer and the best defender he has ever coached--neither which is true. Do you tell your less than stellar clerk employee: "You are the best we have ever had here; or an average analyst: "you are the best analyst I have ever had employed" etc. Those serve nobody well when evaluating performance. You can call them motivational techniques, or spin, or BS or lies. I guess it is all OK, as long as nobody's "feelings" are hurt. The old ends justify the means.
Honestly, yes. I have had employees tell me or ask if they are the best at something. Even if they are, I tell them "no, far from it." On the flip side, I have had dud employees who have asked me if their coworkers hate them for ruining a project, I tell them "No. You screwed up but they have moved on. Get it right next time" even if I had one of their coworkers in their 5 minutes earlier venting about him.
I suppose it is a form of lying but it is all to get the best out of individual employees.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 01, 2014, 08:26:31 AM
Just out of curiosity, does that include lying to people? Like Buzz saying Derrick is a game changer and the best defender he has ever coached--neither which is true. Do you tell your less than stellar clerk employee: "You are the best we have ever had here; or an average analyst: "you are the best analyst I have ever had employed" etc. Those serve nobody well when evaluating performance. You can call them motivational techniques, or spin, or BS or lies. I guess it is all OK, as long as nobody's "feelings" are hurt. The old ends justify the means.
That's probably why Derrick's skill level hasn't raised. Buzz has put in his head that he's already the best.
TAMU,
I agree with everything you said as I use these techniques to motivate as well. My problem is these techniques are being used in public. Do you use them publically? At a conference, meeting or banquet? To the local paper? Do you tell everyone at a company meeting or conference that your best employ is terrible at something, with no hint of sarcasm? I doubt it, as making these techniques public is rare and I can't think of another coach or boss, who does this.
Again, not a huge deal, I use the technique myself, but doesn't make a lot of sense to say these things publically.
Do the players seem bothered by any of this?
If not, then this is simply a dumb criticism.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on March 01, 2014, 10:28:22 AM
Do the players seem bothered by any of this?
If not, then this is simply a dumb criticism.
This. How many former players have raved about his style (even if admitting that it at one point seemed unorthodox or took some getting used to).
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on March 01, 2014, 10:28:22 AM
Do the players seem bothered by any of this?
If not, then this is simply a dumb criticism.
Quote from: PVMagic on March 01, 2014, 10:47:35 AM
This. How many former players have raved about his style (even if admitting that it at one point seemed unorthodox or took some getting used to).
Unless I am missing something, I don't think anyone has a problem with the style or the technique of motivating this way. But why say it publically? It makes zero sense to publically praise your most one dimensional player and rip your best overall player. It makes Buzz look petty, like he is taking shots at all the people who criticize Derrick and praise Davante. It is not about motivation, that is done at games and practice. These public comments are strictly to take shots back at guys like Ners......no offense Ners, you were just the first name that came to mind. It is absolutely pointless and petty for Buzz to make public comments like these. Rip the players all you want in practice, make Davante cry daily, just don't rip him in the media, looks foolish.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 01, 2014, 11:08:25 AM
Unless I am missing something, I don't think anyone has a problem with the style or the technique of motivating this way. But why say it publically? It makes zero sense to publically praise your most one dimensional player and rip your best overall player. It makes Buzz look petty, like he is taking shots at all the people who criticize Derrick and praise Davante. It is not about motivation, that is done at games and practice. These public comments are strictly to take shots back at guys like Ners......no offense Ners, you were just the first name that came to mind. It is absolutely pointless and petty for Buzz to make public comments like these. Rip the players all you want in practice, make Davante cry daily, just don't rip him in the media, looks foolish.
Your response to this is about 100 times more obnoxious than Buzz's statements.
Buzz has said this sort of stuff publicly long before Scoop got on his players. It doesn't look foolish. It doesn't bother the players.
Just a pointless criticism. And frankly if you are going to align yourself with Haywards and willie on an issue, you probably should second-guess if you are on the right side of things.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on March 01, 2014, 11:13:06 AM
Your response to this is about 100 times more obnoxious than Buzz's statements.
Buzz has said this sort of stuff publicly long before Scoop got on his players. It doesn't look foolish. It doesn't bother the players.
Just a pointless criticism. And frankly if you are going to align yourself with Haywards and willie on an issue, you probably should second-guess if you are on the right side of things.
Feeling a little conceited this morning? Just because you have an opposite take doesn't mean you're on the right side of things ::)
Quote from: mubuzz on March 01, 2014, 11:18:03 AM
Feeling a little conceited this morning? Just because you have an opposite take doesn't mean you're on the right side of things ::)
Oh...I'll add you to the list too.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 01, 2014, 11:08:25 AM
These public comments are strictly to take shots back at guys like Ners......no offense Ners, you were just the first name that came to mind. It is absolutely pointless and petty for Buzz to make public comments like these. Rip the players all you want in practice, make Davante cry daily, just don't rip him in the media, looks foolish.
Hold up, you honestly think that Buzz is doing all this to take shots at some dudes on a message board.
Lol.
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Quote from: MU B2002 on March 01, 2014, 12:27:14 PM
Hold up, you honestly think that Buzz is doing all this to take shots at some dudes on a message board.
Lol.
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Critics in general. Absolutely. It serves no other purpose. Motivation takes place at practice and games, not in a post game interviews. To take shots at players in this way makes no sense
. You can't honestly say that Buzz doesn't make some of his comments to shut up critics. That deserves an LOL!
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on March 01, 2014, 11:13:06 AM
Your response to this is about 100 times more obnoxious than Buzz's statements.
Buzz has said this sort of stuff publicly long before Scoop got on his players. It doesn't look foolish. It doesn't bother the players.
Just a pointless criticism. And frankly if you are going to align yourself with Haywards and willie on an issue, you probably should second-guess if you are on the right side of things.
I am starting to feel like Captain McCluskey. Just don't have patience to deal with it. It is good policy to put anyone in the Hayward/willie camp on IGNORE.
Quote from: mubuzz on March 01, 2014, 11:18:03 AM
Feeling a little conceited this morning? Just because you have an opposite take doesn't mean you're on the right side of things ::)
Sultan always thinks he is right--I think that sometimes can be called narcissism. His definition is "the right side of things" and any different is not.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 01, 2014, 11:08:25 AM
Unless I am missing something, I don't think anyone has a problem with the style or the technique of motivating this way. But why say it publically? It makes zero sense to publically praise your most one dimensional player and rip your best overall player. It makes Buzz look petty, like he is taking shots at all the people who criticize Derrick and praise Davante. It is not about motivation, that is done at games and practice. These public comments are strictly to take shots back at guys like Ners......no offense Ners, you were just the first name that came to mind. It is absolutely pointless and petty for Buzz to make public comments like these. Rip the players all you want in practice, make Davante cry daily, just don't rip him in the media, looks foolish.
I agree--rip them in practice all you want--as long as it is not abusive. But also give them opportunity to defend themselves in practice--maybe not quite to the level Al did, think he got into a free for all once with Lucas. Would have loved to see that.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 01, 2014, 12:32:49 PM
Critics in general. Absolutely. It serves no other purpose. Motivation takes place at practice and games, not in a post game interviews. To take shots at players in this way makes no sense
. You can't honestly say that Buzz doesn't make some of his comments to shut up critics. That deserves an LOL!
Yeah, coaches never make public comments to serve as motivation. Everyone knows private, behind closed door statements are much more profound
Quote from: keefe on February 28, 2014, 12:15:25 PM
Exactly. I rather doubt Gardner was ever curled up in the fetal position in the bathtub crying because Buzz made him the butt of a joke.
Now, Larry Williams calling out Buzz's job performance in the Milwaukee Journal is a very different matter.
Yeah, and how about Buzz bragging on calling out the refs son when protesting the T on Jake? The guy's mouth does seem to wander on occasion.
Buzz says what he believes. Why he believes it is his prerogative. No one talks in code that much.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 01, 2014, 09:20:32 AM
Honestly, yes. I have had employees tell me or ask if they are the best at something. Even if they are, I tell them "no, far from it." On the flip side, I have had dud employees who have asked me if their coworkers hate them for ruining a project, I tell them "No. You screwed up but they have moved on. Get it right next time" even if I had one of their coworkers in their 5 minutes earlier venting about him.
I suppose it is a form of lying but it is all to get the best out of individual employees.
OK, and if one of those people doesn't improve and he/she is let go, keep the fingers crossed he/she is not a protected class. Because then the lawsuits come. "All along I was told I was doing good, and then they fired me"
Lying as a motivational technique won't fly as a defense.
Quote from: mu-rara on March 01, 2014, 12:35:26 PM
I am starting to feel like Captain McCluskey. Just don't have patience to deal with it. It is good policy to put anyone in the Hayward/willie camp on IGNORE.
Agreed. I check in occasionally to see if the leopards change their spots and say something rational, but the ignore button has definitely gotten more use this year than previously.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 01, 2014, 12:32:49 PM
Critics in general. Absolutely. It serves no other purpose.
Sure it does. It is entertaining for Buzz to share the tidbit. You honestly think that he was calling out message board posters with post game comments?
Quote from: willie warrior on March 01, 2014, 12:50:54 PM
OK, and if one of those people doesn't improve and he/she is let go, keep the fingers crossed he/she is not a protected class. Because then the lawsuits come. "All along I was told I was doing good, and then they fired me"
Lying as a motivational technique won't fly as a defense.
This is true. In order to avoid this I go to extreme lengths to document expectations, conversations, and performance. Every time I lay out expectations for a job/project, I have my employees sign a hard copy stating they understand the expectations and understand that can be let go (or held accountable in some other way) for failing to meet them. Every time I have a verbal conversation, I immediately send them an email summarizing the conversation and asking for feedback if they don't believe that's how the conversation went. I print a hard copy of all of these emails. All of my employees performances are documented on a database run by our HR department.
Firing someone from a state institution is a nightmare and takes a lot of proper maneuvering and documentation. I have had a few challenges to my decisions, none of them have stuck.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 01, 2014, 10:02:33 AM
TAMU,
I agree with everything you said as I use these techniques to motivate as well. My problem is these techniques are being used in public. Do you use them publically? At a conference, meeting or banquet? To the local paper? Do you tell everyone at a company meeting or conference that your best employ is terrible at something, with no hint of sarcasm? I doubt it, as making these techniques public is rare and I can't think of another coach or boss, who does this.
Again, not a huge deal, I use the technique myself, but doesn't make a lot of sense to say these things publically.
Personally, I feel that if Buzz reversed what he was saying when he speaks to the public, it would destroy the effect he was trying to have on his players. "Oh, Buzz yelled at me in practice, but said I was great in the press conference. I must actually be great."
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 28, 2014, 09:48:40 PM
The constant questioning of what Buzz does, given his track record of success, is f*cking mind boggling
Hitler was pretty successful up until that whole Stalingrad thing
(Double Godwin score - Hitler plus Stalin)
Quote from: willie warrior on March 01, 2014, 12:46:43 PM
Yeah, and how about Buzz bragging on calling out the refs son when protesting the T on Jake? The guy's mouth does seem to wander on occasion.
Of all the stupid, misinformed comments you've made here, this one is Hall of Fame caliber. Listening is a skill. You should try it some time. You just make yourself look like a fool with this stuff.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 01, 2014, 12:35:45 PM
Sultan always thinks he is right--I think that sometimes can be called narcissism. His definition is "the right side of things" and any different is not.
It's because he's always arguing with you - so yes, he is always right.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 01, 2014, 12:46:43 PM
Yeah, and how about Buzz bragging on calling out the refs son when protesting the T on Jake? The guy's mouth does seem to wander on occasion.
Again, a made-up assumption. If Buzz called out any ref's son that way he would have been T'd up. Furthermore, he would have been reprimanded by the league or NCAA for verbally going after a ref's family.
I took it that he was telling the ref that he had a good kid and that's Jake was that kind of person - meaning Jake would never deliberately taunt anyone. Not "my guy is better than your kid" as people like you are going to say.
But before anyone posted on this board about it. I could have named the whiners who would criticize Buzz about it. You guys are one-trick ponies.
Quote from: brandx on March 01, 2014, 04:00:31 PM
It's because he's always arguing with you - so yes, he is always right.
great logic--he argues with everybody-so he is always right. Including you--so you are wrong!!!!
Quote from: brandx on March 01, 2014, 04:05:54 PM
Again, a made-up assumption. If Buzz called out any ref's son that way he would have been T'd up. Furthermore, he would have been reprimanded by the league or NCAA for verbally going after a ref's family.
I took it that he was telling the ref that he had a good kid and that's Jake was that kind of person - meaning Jake would never deliberately taunt anyone. Not "my guy is better than your kid" as people like you are going to say.
But before anyone posted on this board about it. I could have named the whiners who would criticize Buzz about it. You guys are one-trick ponies.
Not the way I heard on the post game show--and he said it--just plain stupid. But to you, Buzz can do no wrong.
Quote from: brandx on March 01, 2014, 04:05:54 PM
Again, a made-up assumption. If Buzz called out any ref's son that way he would have been T'd up. Furthermore, he would have been reprimanded by the league or NCAA for verbally going after a ref's family.
I took it that he was telling the ref that he had a good kid and that's Jake was that kind of person - meaning Jake would never deliberately taunt anyone. Not "my guy is better than your kid" as people like you are going to say.
But before anyone posted on this board about it. I could have named the whiners who would criticize Buzz about it. You guys are one-trick ponies.
You must dwell on my posts more than the toilet.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 01, 2014, 04:59:37 PM
Not the way I heard on the post game show--and he said it--just plain stupid. But to you, Buzz can do no wrong.
Willie, you really have no clue. When Buzz says something, you seemingly have no idea of the nuances behind what he means. Do you honestly think he was calling out a ref's son in a negative way? If so, how come we haven't heard anything in response? From the Big East or anything?
Face it, you completely misinterpreted his comment. You are on some quest to prove the BS of "Buzzspeak," but you have turned it into some sort of McCarthyesque quest to find things where nothing exists.
And it makes you look completely foolish.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on March 02, 2014, 08:41:00 AM
Face it, you completely intentionally misinterpreted his comment. You are on some quest to prove the BS of "Buzzspeak," but you have turned it into some sort of McCarthyesque quest to find things where nothing exists.
And it makes you look completely foolish.
FIFY.
Nobody can actually be that stupid, can they?
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 02, 2014, 09:50:13 AM
FIFY.
Nobody can actually be that stupid, can they?
Sorry, but I did not. I genuinely took it that way. Explain how you took it. Maybe I got it wrong.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 02, 2014, 09:50:13 AM
FIFY.
Nobody can actually be that stupid, can they?
Just FYI. Go back and listen to the podcast of the postgame. I just did. Buzz admits that is what he said to Corbett, the ref. Jake is a better kid than Corbett's son. Buzz said he said it. Now maybe he said it in frustration--but to again bring it up in the postgame show is either bragging and/or not too bright.
Listen to the podcast, Navin!!! Buzz said it. I didn't. You put your spin on it if you want. He admitted he said it and I interpret him saying that to a ref as dumb. It had no business being said to the ref, and to bring it up again in the postgame, admittedly to defend Jake is still dumb. Calling a ref's kid is just plain dumb!!! He could defend Jake in other ways in the post game show. It was dumb and IMO bragging about the comment. Go ahead,put your spin on it. Defend the indefensible.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on March 02, 2014, 08:41:00 AM
Willie, you really have no clue. When Buzz says something, you seemingly have no idea of the nuances behind what he means. Do you honestly think he was calling out a ref's son in a negative way? If so, how come we haven't heard anything in response? From the Big East or anything?
Face it, you completely misinterpreted his comment. You are on some quest to prove the BS of "Buzzspeak," but you have turned it into some sort of McCarthyesque quest to find things where nothing exists.
And it makes you look completely foolish.
It's not the nuance itself, it's who <insert coach> is doing the nuancing that matters here most. ;)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 02, 2014, 10:30:13 AM
It's not the nuance itself, it's who <insert coach> is doing the nuancing that matters here most. ;)
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Once again, let the record show who brought Crean into this thread that had nothing to do with him.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 02, 2014, 10:14:30 AM
Just FYI. Go back and listen to the podcast of the postgame. I just did. Buzz admits that is what he said to Corbett, the ref. Jake is a better kid than Corbett's son. Buzz said he said it. Now maybe he said it in frustration--but to again bring it up in the postgame show is either bragging and/or not too bright.
Listen to the podcast, Navin!!! Buzz said it. I didn't. You put your spin on it if you want. He admitted he said it and I interpret him saying that to a ref as dumb. It had no business being said to the ref, and to bring it up again in the postgame, admittedly to defend Jake is still dumb. Calling a ref's kid is just plain dumb!!! He could defend Jake in other ways in the post game show. It was dumb and IMO bragging about the comment. Go ahead,put your spin on it. Defend the indefensible.
I should know better than to try to argue with the criminally dumb, but here goes...I don't need to listen to the podcast, I heard it live. I, like anyone else with an ounce of perceptive ability, or without a bias/agenda, knew exactly what he meant. For you to suggest that he was 'calling out'' the ref's son, as you have is beyond stupid. He wasnt saying anything disparaging about the ref's kid, he was saying your kid is a good kid, but even as good a kid as he is, Jake is a even better kid than that...that's how good a kid Jake Thomas is, why he wasnt taunting, etc.
The only reason you didn't hear it that way, as nearly every other non-whiner here did, is because you don't want to (at least I hope that's why).
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 02, 2014, 10:39:01 AM
I should know better than to try to argue with the criminally dumb, but here goes...I don't need to listen to the podcast, I heard it live. I, like anyone else with an ounce of perceptive ability, or without a bias/agenda, knew exactly what he meant. For you to suggest that he was 'calling out'' the ref's son, as you have is beyond stupid. He wasnt saying anything disparaging about the ref's kid, he was saying your kid is a good kid, but even as good a kid as he is, Jake is a even better kid than that...that's how good a kid Jake Thomas is, why he wasnt taunting, etc.
The only reason you didn't hear it that way, as nearly every other non-whiner here did, is because you don't want to (at least I hope that's why).
+1 with the point you are making about Jake. That is exactly what was meant by Buzz's comments about Jake, the ref and the ref's son. Buzz was not trying to "call out" the refs son, just pointing out what a great kid Jake is.
The rest of your post is absolute garbage. Try taking out all the insults and just make your point. I highly doubt you would talk to the "whiners" like this in person.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 02, 2014, 10:39:01 AM
I should know better than to try to argue with the criminally dumb, but here goes...I don't need to listen to the podcast, I heard it live. I, like anyone else with an ounce of perceptive ability, or without a bias/agenda, knew exactly what he meant. For you to suggest that he was 'calling out'' the ref's son, as you have is beyond stupid. He wasnt saying anything disparaging about the ref's kid, he was saying your kid is a good kid, but even as good a kid as he is, Jake is a even better kid than that...that's how good a kid Jake Thomas is, why he wasnt taunting, etc.
The only reason you didn't hear it that way, as nearly every other non-whiner here did, is because you don't want to (at least I hope that's why).
"Criminally dumb" you say while looking in the mirror. You have a bias agenda, just as you say I do. In your mind Buzz can do no wrong. I have plenty of perceptive ability, which I have used for many years and has served me well. You do not know me--but in your blind bias, because you disagree with me, you feel superior. That is all right, though for you to slam the table and call names, because you cannot recognize that making a reference to the ref's son , and then to bring it up gain in a live broadcast is also "criminally dumb". So spare your sanctimonious preaching and blathering about stupidity and whining. Insults show your strong suit--possibly the bullying type?? But I digress, because I do not really know, but can only speculate--as you have just shown yourself to do--often--I might add. I figured you would try to spin it, which is exactly what you did. Keep trying-you need lots of practice
How would you feel if you were reffing a game and the coach made a stupid comparison that Jake was a better kid than your son. Hopefully you would just shrug it off as being just Buzz speak. Making that type of comparison by a coach has no business in the game. But you cannot see that because of something--don't know what that is. The call was a bad call, but Buzz just risked a chance for escalation by doing what he did. No doubts about it. Keep on slurping. There is no excuse for what Buzz said twice--in public, and your misguided attempt to excuse it is plain dumb. He could have made his point without bringing a man's family into it. Sorry, you just do not get that, but blindly defend your boy, Buzz.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 02, 2014, 12:17:09 PM
"Criminally dumb" you say while looking in the mirror. You have a bias agenda, just as you say I do. In your mind Buzz can do no wrong. I have plenty of perceptive ability, which I have used for many years and has served me well. You do not know me--but in your blind bias, because you disagree with me, you feel superior. That is all right, though for you to slam the table and call names, because you cannot recognize that making a reference to the ref's son , and then to bring it up gain in a live broadcast is also "criminally dumb". So spare your sanctimonious preaching and blathering about stupidity and whining. Insults show your strong suit--possibly the bullying type?? But I digress, because I do not really know, but can only speculate--as you have just shown yourself to do--often--I might add. I figured you would try to spin it, which is exactly what you did. Keep trying-you need lots of practice
How would you feel if you were reffing a game and the coach made a stupid comparison that Jake was a better kid than your son. Hopefully you would just shrug it off as being just Buzz speak. Making that type of comparison by a coach has no business in the game. But you cannot see that because of something--don't know what that is. The call was a bad call, but Buzz just risked a chance for escalation by doing what he did. No doubts about it. Keep on slurping. There is no excuse for what Buzz said twice--in public, and your misguided attempt to excuse it is plain dumb. He could have made his point without bringing a man's family into it. Sorry, you just do not get that, but blindly defend your boy, Buzz.
You would notice that, once again, no one agrees with your POV.