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At the game... Why isn't he playing?

No idea, announces made it sound like he isn't hurt and it's a coach decision

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess Buzz has him in the doghouse for the 1st half and that he'll play in the 2nd..

Hold the Mayo again.

Quote from: Ners on December 07, 2013, 01:53:40 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess Buzz has him in the doghouse for the 1st half and that he'll play in the 2nd..

wouldn't he have his uniform on then??

If it's disciplinary, it is getting old. At some point you have to say enough is enough. Hopefully, he is hurt or not feeling well. Terrible call on Davante to get his second foul. Terrible!

buzz's team seem to have a lot of drama with suspensions unannounced and transfers late in the summer or during the year?

Quote from: madtownwarrior on December 07, 2013, 02:08:22 PM
buzz's team seem to have a lot of drama with suspensions unannounced and transfers late in the summer or during the year?

Signed,

George Marshall

Mayo is out for a violation of team rules per twitter.

Announcers just said the same

Douche

What's up with these dudes. Couldn't do a better job of f'in' up prosperity if he tried. Thought his bro in town might reign him in.

We ready to let him go or...?

George Marshall, welcome to Marquette.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 07, 2013, 02:23:22 PM
What's up with these dudes. Couldn't do a better job of f'in' up prosperity if he tried. Thought his bro in town might reign him in.

I worried about just the opposite. Concerned big bro and his millions might be a negative influence. No idea if that's the case, but...

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on December 07, 2013, 02:36:51 PM
I worried about just the opposite. Concerned big bro and his millions might be a negative influence. No idea if that's the case, but...

Todd makes big bro look like a Saint.

he keeps letting his team mates down....depending on the violation, let him go.

Kick him off team

Quote from: melissasmooth on December 07, 2013, 02:44:56 PM
Kick him off team

Would be nice if we could kick you off this board.

Ease up. Jesus, maybe he broke curfew or something else minor. Are you all so saintly that you can condemn Todd without knowing the circumstances?

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on December 07, 2013, 02:36:51 PM
I worried about just the opposite. Concerned big bro and his millions might be a negative influence. No idea if that's the case, but...

That was my worry as well

Quote from: Ners on December 07, 2013, 02:49:55 PM
Would be nice if we could kick you off this board.

Oh kissy kissy ners yummy

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 07, 2013, 02:51:01 PM
Ease up. Jesus, maybe he broke curfew or something else minor. Are you all so saintly that you can condemn Todd without knowing the circumstances?

Fairpoint.....but it's the repeat repeat repeat offender part that starts to beg questions. 

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 07, 2013, 02:51:01 PM
Ease up. Jesus, maybe he broke curfew or something else minor. Are you all so saintly that you can condemn Todd without knowing the circumstances?

Who gives a sh!t how minor it is?  He's been suspended almost as much as he's played since coming to Marquette.  He's a junior.  Freshman year?  Getting used to the expectations.  Junior year?  Time to mature.

Quote from: melissasmooth on December 07, 2013, 02:56:06 PM
Oh kissy kissy ners yummy

Wow, a virtual....

Entirely reasonable to question what he is really bringing to the party right now.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 07, 2013, 03:02:11 PM
Who gives a sh!t how minor it is?  He's been suspended almost as much as he's played since coming to Marquette.  He's a junior.  Freshman year?  Getting used to the expectations.  Junior year?  Time to mature.

How many times is this? Honestly? A half against WVU. The start of last season. Today. Am I forgetting anything? I'm not happy with it. Todd should have been out there. Lord knows we could have used him today. But that doesn't make the holier than thou mentality appropriate.

Time to kiss him goodbye.  Good riddance. One-dimensional player who couldn't care less about the team.

Quote from: ecompt on December 07, 2013, 03:31:16 PM
Time to kiss him goodbye.  Good riddance. One-dimensional player who couldn't care less about the team.

I've kinda come to this conclusion as well. Admittedly I don't know what happened, but he just doesn't seem to offer much positive.

He's gotta go. Can't let your team down this often. It's a shame.

How many more chances should we give him? Time to cut the cord.

It's about turning a youngster into a man.
Sometimes my hunting dogs learned faster than my kids

Quote from: elephantraker on December 07, 2013, 04:06:11 PM
It's about turning a youngster into a man.
Sometimes my hunting dogs learned faster than my kids

Isn't that the truth...the dogs learn pretty darn quick

Team rules? You know what team rules should be.. Win games.. Play mayo

He's lost any do-overs, leeway, or wrist-slaps since it was only "minor".  His team needed him in a big game to maybe beat a decent team for once and whatever he did contributed to Derrick Wilson and Jake Thomas being forced to play 65 minutes.   

From the coach's mouth:  Back next game.

Quote from: chapman on December 07, 2013, 04:16:51 PM
He's lost any do-overs, leeway, or wrist-slaps since it was only "minor".  His team needed him in a big game to maybe beat a decent team for once and whatever he did contributed to Derrick Wilson and Jake Thomas being forced to play 65 minutes.   

Well some suggested team was better off without Todd after ASU game. We happy with what we got out of Jake/Derrick/JJJ today?  Careful what you wish for.

Quote from: Ners on December 07, 2013, 04:27:43 PM
Well some suggested team was better off without Todd after ASU game. We happy with what we got out of Jake/Derrick/JJJ today?  Careful what you wish for.

Well not a team player he has proven that

Late to practice.  Good life lesson. Coaching for March.

Could not be more annoyed with Todd right now.

Quote from: royceda5 9 on December 07, 2013, 04:11:52 PM
Team rules? You know what team rules should be.. Win games.. Play mayo

Uhm, no.  Character revealed

Quote from: elephantraker on December 07, 2013, 04:06:11 PM
It's about turning a youngster into a man.
Sometimes my hunting dogs learned faster than my kids

Problem is, Todd is nowhere near a youngster. He turns 23 in March. Buzz should tell him to go home.  

Guys---The Bucks had big win last night and maybe Todd just wanted to let his hair down a bit. Hopefully if he did he shied away from Larry Sanders.

Quote from: Ners on December 07, 2013, 04:27:43 PM
Well some suggested team was better off without Todd after ASU game. We happy with what we got out of Jake/Derrick/JJJ today?  Careful what you wish for.

That depends.  Do we know what Todd would do today?  Furthermore, does his one game suspension FINALLY pound some sense into him that makes him a better player for the long haul?  I'm all for taking a step back if the steps forward as a result of said actions are a result.  I'm sure Buzz is feeling the same way.

Quote from: royceda5 9 on December 07, 2013, 04:11:52 PM
Team rules? You know what team rules should be.. Win games.. Play mayo

If you don't enforce team rules regardless of when they are broken, then you have no team rules and the coach loses all control

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 07, 2013, 02:51:01 PM
Ease up. Jesus, maybe he broke curfew or something else minor. Are you all so saintly that you can condemn Todd without knowing the circumstances?

Do you think a "minor" infraction gets you a full game suspension?

Quote from: wadesworld on December 07, 2013, 03:02:11 PM
Who gives a sh!t how minor it is?  He's been suspended almost as much as he's played since coming to Marquette.  He's a junior.  Freshman year?  Getting used to the expectations.  Junior year?  Time to mature.

When you recruit punks, that's what happens...

Quote from: memorialspartans on December 07, 2013, 05:08:32 PM
When you recruit punks, that's what happens...

(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/football/ncaa/05/04/stanley.photos/t1_booker_si.jpg)

Quote from: memorialspartans on December 07, 2013, 05:08:32 PM
When you recruit punks, that's what happens...

Recruited....  ok, then Marcettus McGee at UW-madison we should chat up, since he was recruited, offered, signed with UW-madison.  LOL

I have a feeling your stay here is about to end.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 07, 2013, 03:02:11 PM
Who gives a sh!t how minor it is?  He's been suspended almost as much as he's played since coming to Marquette.  He's a junior.  Freshman year?  Getting used to the expectations.  Junior year?  Time to mature.

Considering he is almost 23 and the age of a senior/fifth year senior, he should be matured already. Guess he isn't.

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 07, 2013, 03:30:27 PM
How many times is this? Honestly? A half against WVU. The start of last season. Today. Am I forgetting anything? I'm not happy with it. Todd should have been out there. Lord knows we could have used him today. But that doesn't make the holier than thou mentality appropriate.

Suspended for a semester.  Suspended for a half.  Suspended for a game.  Sent home over the summer.  If you include the summer as a "semester" because most of the team is on campus for a majority of the summer taking classes and practicing, that's 7 semesters (including this fall).  He was suspended or sent home for the entirety 2 of those 7, and got other suspensions in 2 of the other 5 semesters.  It's embarrassing.  I'm not saying I am a better human being than any other person, but I can tell you for damn sure that I would not be academically ineligible if I was getting a free education for playing a sport, especially given all of the academic support the basketball team receives, and I would not be breaking team rules (whatever they may be) if I was getting a free education for playing a sport.  Todd has done it 4 times now.  That is entirely unacceptable.  Good riddance if you ask me.  I don't care if it was minor and I don't care if he helps the team.  I don't care if it means NIT.  If it was his first time then absolutely give him another chance.  The 4th time?  No thanks.  There's more to life about basketball, and TODD needs to realize that.  He doesn't and he's not only hurting himself, but he's hurting the TEAM.  My worries are being realized.

This was the last straw for me.

This is on Buzz. He hands out the schollies. Been really successful with the chances he's taken. This one keeps bitin' him in the ass.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 07, 2013, 06:20:10 PM
Suspended for a semester.  Suspended for a half.  Suspended for a game.  Sent home over the summer.  If you include the summer as a "semester" because most of the team is on campus for a majority of the summer taking classes and practicing, that's 7 semesters (including this fall).  He was suspended or sent home for the entirety 2 of those 7, and got other suspensions in 2 of the other 5 semesters.  It's embarrassing.  I'm not saying I am a better human being than any other person, but I can tell you for damn sure that I would not be academically ineligible if I was getting a free education for playing a sport, especially given all of the academic support the basketball team receives, and I would not be breaking team rules (whatever they may be) if I was getting a free education for playing a sport.  Todd has done it 4 times now.  That is entirely unacceptable.  Good riddance if you ask me.  I don't care if it was minor and I don't care if he helps the team.  I don't care if it means NIT.  If it was his first time then absolutely give him another chance.  The 4th time?  No thanks.  There's more to life about basketball, and TODD needs to realize that.  He doesn't and he's not only hurting himself, but he's hurting the TEAM.  My worries are being realized.

I'd rather lose with JJJ and Deonte than win with this selfish oaf. Cut him loose.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 07, 2013, 06:26:39 PM
This is on Buzz. He hands out the schollies. Been really successful with the chances he's taken. This one keeps bitin' him in the ass.

True. But Buzz could have pulled an Urban Meyer and looked this other way and no one would have even known known Mayo was late for practice. Buzz is who he is.

Quote from: Mutaman on December 07, 2013, 07:07:16 PM
True. But Buzz could have pulled an Urban Meyer and looked this other way and no one would have even known known Mayo was late for practice. Buzz is who he is.

Speaking of Urban Meyer...... at least the day was a complete waste.

Quote from: Mutaman on December 07, 2013, 11:03:49 PM
Speaking of Urban Meyer...... at least the day was a complete waste.

Actually the day turned out rather well. Rather well, indeed. I shall sleep well tonight.

Man Royce nailed it. Mayo shouldn't be sitting a whole game for being late. Would have won with him. Buzz failed the whole following

Quote from: Bartender on December 07, 2013, 11:32:36 PM
Man Royce nailed it. Mayo shouldn't be sitting a whole game for being late. Would have won with him. Buzz failed the whole following

Want to bet he won't be late any more?

Quote from: Bartender on December 07, 2013, 11:32:36 PM
Man Royce nailed it. Mayo shouldn't be sitting a whole game for being late. Would have won with him. Buzz failed the whole following

At what point does accountability matter? Todd Mayo is a grown man that should probably start acting like one pretty soon. This is bigger than winning a game against UW. You've got a lot of talented young freshmen on this team and they are always watching.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 07, 2013, 11:57:28 PM
Want to bet he won't be late any more?

Yes.

Quote from: Bartender on December 07, 2013, 11:32:36 PM
Man Royce nailed it. Mayo shouldn't be sitting a whole game for being late. Would have won with him. Buzz failed the whole following

Maybe if this is the first time something like this happened it'd be more of a "written warning" type situation.  No more "written warnings" for Todd (at least I hope...).

Quote from: memorialspartans on December 07, 2013, 05:08:32 PM
When you recruit punks, that's what happens...

Punks who play in the League > Players who can't make an NBADL roster.


Last I checked, college's "Greatest Coach" per Dekker has only three former players on an NBA roster: Harris, Leuer, Stiemsma.

The college of Punks have Butler, Buycks, Crowder, Matthews, Novak, and Wade.

I'll go with Punks erryday, ya heard?

Quote from: hairyworthen on December 07, 2013, 04:45:48 PM
If you don't enforce team rules regardless of when they are broken, then you have no team rules and the coach loses all control

Agree.  I admire Buzz that he stands true to his principles, and those principles in part are about trying to instill maturity into young men.

Being late for practice, in my view, is way down the list as far as conduct detrimental to the team.  Todd made a mistake, yet none of us know the circumstances around the mistake - could be as simple as he overslept...wanted to catch a quick snooze...and set his alarm wrong for AM instead of PM, etc.

I'm just blown away at how many people think you just drop the kid - he too could have easily just quit on MU and transferred to a good number of schools that wanted him - and he chose to (in my opinion) take the road less traveled, and gut it out at MU.  This wasn't like him skipping a class, breaking curfew, etc. - which by the way are things that go on frequently in a lot of high major programs.

Quote from: Ners on December 08, 2013, 11:29:40 AM
Agree.  I admire Buzz that he stands true to his principles, and those principles in part are about trying to instill maturity into young men.

Being late for practice, in my view, is way down the list as far as conduct detrimental to the team.  Todd made a mistake, yet none of us know the circumstances around the mistake - could be as simple as he overslept...wanted to catch a quick snooze...and set his alarm wrong for AM instead of PM, etc.

I'm just blown away at how many people think you just drop the kid - he too could have easily just quit on MU and transferred to a good number of schools that wanted him - and he chose to (in my opinion) take the road less traveled, and gut it out at MU.  This wasn't like him skipping a class, breaking curfew, etc. - which by the way are things that go on frequently in a lot of high major programs.

If this was the workplace instead of college basketball and an individual has made as many mistakes as Todd has, do you think the punishment would have been as lenient as this for showing up to work late.

Todd would have been fired in the real world.  Here he missed one game.  Seems like an adequate way to teach him responsibility when failure will not ruin his life (whereas getting fired, depending on the job may indeed be life changing).

Quote from: Ners on December 08, 2013, 11:29:40 AM
Agree.  I admire Buzz that he stands true to his principles, and those principles in part are about trying to instill maturity into young men.

Being late for practice, in my view, is way down the list as far as conduct detrimental to the team.  Todd made a mistake, yet none of us know the circumstances around the mistake - could be as simple as he overslept...wanted to catch a quick snooze...and set his alarm wrong for AM instead of PM, etc.

I'm just blown away at how many people think you just drop the kid - he too could have easily just quit on MU and transferred to a good number of schools that wanted him - and he chose to (in my opinion) take the road less traveled, and gut it out at MU.  This wasn't like him skipping a class, breaking curfew, etc. - which by the way are things that go on frequently in a lot of high major programs.

I don't know if this is the case, but have you considered that maybe with previous transgressions (which Todd has had more than his share), the tolerance level is zero or close to it?

Here's the other aspect of it.  I'd bet my house that he has said over and over and over again these are the rules, there are consequences to breaking them.  If you do X, then there is a consequence.  I'm sure he had everyone on his team nod, say yes coach, I understand coach, etc, etc.  Everyone else is able to not break those rules. 

I admire Buzz for not playing favorites on this (I'm assuming that is the case).  We can all say the punishment doesn't fit the crime, on the other hand if the punishment is known to all players prior to the crime being committed (I'm speaking metaphorically, not a true crime) then I have ZERO issue with this.  I suspect, that is the case.  They all know the rules, they all know the consequences, they all managed to adhere to the rules...but one.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 08, 2013, 11:44:10 AM
I don't know if this is the case, but have you considered that maybe with previous transgressions (which Todd has had more than his share), the tolerance level is zero or close to it?

Here's the other aspect of it.  I'd bet my house that he has said over and over and over again these are the rules, there are consequences to breaking them.  If you do X, then there is a consequence.  I'm sure he had everyone on his team nod, say yes coach, I understand coach, etc, etc.  Everyone else is able to not break those rules. 

I admire Buzz for not playing favorites on this (I'm assuming that is the case).  We can all say the punishment doesn't fit the crime, on the other hand if the punishment is known to all players prior to the crime being committed (I'm speaking metaphorically, not a true crime) then I have ZERO issue with this.  I suspect, that is the case.  They all know the rules, they all know the consequences, they all managed to adhere to the rules...but one.

I don't have a problem with Buzz suspending Todd for the game - the rules are the rules.  Sure, disappointed that Todd was late to a practice of all weeks - Badger week - but even given his other troubles at MU, self-inflicted too - I'm not for saying the hell with the kid.  Todd could have bailed on MU and Buzz too - plenty of schools wanted him...including Aki trying to get him to Memphis.  Some times a change of scenery and a fresh start are good for a player - Todd didn't choose that path, which in my view would have been the easier option. 

Ners, I appreciate that point of view and it's a logical one at that.

The frustration, which I'm sure you also recognize, is that not only has this become a pattern event over three years, but Todd is a junior, he's 22 or 23 years old, and it is Badger week.  The benefit of the doubt probably passed a while ago for some and when you factor in age, tenure in the program, and the importance of playing a top 10 team against one of your biggest rivals (a game in which he excelled in the past), well some people probably are tired of it.  Not sure I can blame them.  Todd certainly could have left.  Memphis sounds like a place where historically rules aren't quite held to the same level of importance.  I hope yesterday's episode finally makes an impact.  I can't imagine where one more episode would be tolerated by his coach, or his teammates that must adhere to the same rules.

When my son was 19, he worked at Costco. Grunt work: chasing down carts, stocking shelves, etc. But as grunt jobs go, it was a good one for a great company, and it paid him $11.50 per hour even back then (2007). He even would have received healthcare and other benefits if he stayed there 6 months and worked enough hours.

He was late once and they told him that wasn't acceptable. He was late a second time and they put him on probation. He was late a third time and they fired him.

Each of the first two times, he was late by less than 10 minutes. The third time, as he whined, "I was only 2 minutes late, and they fired me!"

No, they didn't fire you for only being 2 minutes late. They fired you for being a repeat offender after you had been warned about the consequences.

At some point, there has to be a cumulative effect. I imagine that point is fast-approaching for Mr. Todd Mayo. He'd better shape up or Costco will fire him.

Mayo might be better off at Sam's Club, hey?

Buzz's job, as he sees it, is to turn boys into men. When these boys come from less than ideal backgrounds the challenge is that much more difficult. He owes a great deal more to Todd's Mom than a Cosco or any other employer. He'll continue with the tough love, and if he concludes that enough's enough he won't make that decision lightly. Those who don't get the idea that such a responsibility is bigger than one game (or several games) just don't get it.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 08, 2013, 01:40:25 PM
Buzz's job, as he sees it, is to turn boys into men. When these boys come from less than ideal backgrounds the challenge is that much more difficult. He owes a great deal more to Todd's Mom than a Cosco or any other employer. He'll continue with the tough love, and if he concludes that enough's enough he won't make that decision lightly. Those who don't get the idea that such a responsibility is bigger than one game (or several games) just don't get it.

I think Todd would be OK with his brother making $20 million if Buzz manned up and said enough is enough.

Think part of the reason may serve as a message to the rest of the team?

Quote from: wadesworld on December 08, 2013, 01:43:15 PM
I think Todd would be OK with his brother making $20 million if Buzz manned up and said enough is enough.

Marcus Vick anyone?

Quote from: Ners on December 08, 2013, 11:48:36 AM
I don't have a problem with Buzz suspending Todd for the game - the rules are the rules.  Sure, disappointed that Todd was late to a practice of all weeks - Badger week - but even given his other troubles at MU, self-inflicted too - I'm not for saying the hell with the kid.  Todd could have bailed on MU and Buzz too - plenty of schools wanted him...including Aki trying to get him to Memphis.  Some times a change of scenery and a fresh start are good for a player - Todd didn't choose that path, which in my view would have been the easier option. 

+1

I am not ready to throw the kid under the bus. He's made mistakes. He's made multiple mistakes. Can any of us say as a teen/early-twentysomething we didn't do the same? Ners makes a great point that Todd worked to stay on this team. If he continues to work and being late to practice is the worst offense, well, it sucks it's hardly a fatal flaw.

And clearly with all this snow, hell has frozen over...Ners and I agreeing!  :o ;)

Quote from: wadesworld on December 08, 2013, 01:43:15 PM
I think Todd would be OK with his brother making $20 million if Buzz manned up and said enough is enough.

If you really think OJ's money will turn Todd into a man I hope you're not a parent. And if you think Buzz lacks the testosterone to ax Mayo I think you're missing the point.

Quote from: melissasmooth on December 07, 2013, 02:44:56 PM
Kick him off team

the death penalty?  anyway,  pardon me if i missed something, but is being late for practice the official reason or "team rule" that was broken?  just wondering.  otherwise. regardless of which team rule he broke, i believe todd has been given many chances.  about time he starts to man-up a little before he enters the real world

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 08, 2013, 02:07:10 PM
If you really think OJ's money will turn Todd into a man I hope you're not a parent. And if you think Buzz lacks the testosterone to ax Mayo I think you're missing the point.

I'm just saying that the whole "less than ideal background" doesn't really work for Todd considering he's not going to be on the streets with OJ as his brother anytime soon.

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2013, 02:05:30 PM
+1

I am not ready to throw the kid under the bus. He's made mistakes. He's made multiple mistakes. Can any of us say as a teen/early-twentysomething we didn't do the same? Ners makes a great point that Todd worked to stay on this team. If he continues to work and being late to practice is the worst offense, well, it sucks it's hardly a fatal flaw.

And clearly with all this snow, hell has frozen over...Ners and I agreeing!  :o ;)

Todd is the only person throwing Todd under the bus.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 08, 2013, 02:23:35 PM
I'm just saying that the whole "less than ideal background" doesn't really work for Todd considering he's not going to be on the streets with OJ as his brother anytime soon.

Todd is the only person throwing Todd under the bus.

Two terrific points.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 08, 2013, 02:23:35 PM


Todd is the only person throwing Todd under the bus.

Todd is 100% responsible for his actions. But when someone says Buzz needs to "man up" and kick him to the curb that seems presumptuous.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 08, 2013, 02:43:29 PM
Todd is 100% responsible for his actions. But when someone says Buzz needs to "man up" and kick him to the curb that seems presumptuous.

That wasn't my intent in that post.  My intent in that post was to point out that Todd would be OK if Buzz decided that was what he needed to do.  In my opinion, I would rather Todd not be on the team at this point.  How many times is he going to break a team rule, be declared ineligible, or asked to go home for a summer?  We can't keep risking having a key player out for games.  Not my call to make, but I'm tired of this crap.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 08, 2013, 02:23:35 PMTodd is the only person throwing Todd under the bus.

Disagree. Mayo may have screwed up, but where were his teammates to make sure he was awake? Accountability means you are accountable for yourself and your teammates. That goes on and off the court.

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2013, 02:55:28 PM
Disagree. Mayo may have screwed up, but where were his teammates to make sure he was awake? Accountability means you are accountable for yourself and your teammates. That goes on and off the court.

That's a joke, I hope.

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2013, 02:55:28 PM
Disagree. Mayo may have screwed up, but where were his teammates to make sure he was awake? Accountability means you are accountable for yourself and your teammates. That goes on and off the court.

Wow.  Funny.  Blaming his teammates now.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 08, 2013, 02:56:27 PM
That's a joke, I hope.

Not a joke at all. Is Mayo primarily to blame? Absolutely. But should the team be looking out for each other? Absolutely.

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2013, 02:55:28 PM
Disagree. Mayo may have screwed up, but where were his teammates to make sure he was awake? Accountability means you are accountable for yourself and your teammates. That goes on and off the court.

todds accountability or blame his teammates for todd's tardiness, ya can't have it both ways

Quote from: wadesworld on December 08, 2013, 02:45:49 PM
That wasn't my intent in that post.  My intent in that post was to point out that Todd would be OK if Buzz decided that was what he needed to do.  In my opinion, I would rather Todd not be on the team at this point.  How many times is he going to break a team rule, be declared ineligible, or asked to go home for a summer?  We can't keep risking having a key player out for games.  Not my call to make, but I'm tired of this crap.

Thanks for the clarification. Think everyone (Buzz included) is tired of this crap. But since Buzz knows exactly what's going on I'll defer to his judgement on if and when Todd goes.

Quote from: melissasmooth on December 08, 2013, 03:03:28 PM
Wow.  Funny.  Blaiming his teammates now.

might as well throw his girl friend(s), mom n dad, o.j.,  in there too just to make sure we've got everyone covered

Quote from: melissasmooth on December 08, 2013, 03:03:28 PM
Wow.  Funny.  Blaiming his teammates now.

What's your deal on the Mayo hate - did he dawg you out Melissa Smooth?  Funny you refer to yourself as smooth too - talk about douchey.  

Quote from: wadesworld on December 08, 2013, 02:45:49 PM
That wasn't my intent in that post.  My intent in that post was to point out that Todd would be OK if Buzz decided that was what he needed to do.  In my opinion, I would rather Todd not be on the team at this point.  How many times is he going to break a team rule, be declared ineligible, or asked to go home for a summer?  We can't keep risking having a key player out for games.  Not my call to make, but I'm tired of this crap.

Rather funny...and contradictory.  So you want to kick off a key player on the team, and run that risk - all for being late to practice?  Hope you've never been late in your life.  This is a separate issue from academics or missing class, or being sent home for the summer.  Todd won't be the last MU or NCAA Division 1 high major men's basketball player to be academically ineligible for a semester.  It's not a felony.

Quote from: Ners on December 08, 2013, 03:08:46 PM
What's your deal on the Mayo hate - did he dawg you out Melissa Smooth?  Funny you refer to yourself as smooth too - talk about douchey.  

I'm starting to think that you are a bit of a misogynist.

Quote from: Ners on December 08, 2013, 03:11:32 PM
Rather funny...and contradictory.  So you want to kick off a key player on the team, and run that risk - all for being late to practice?  Hope you've never been late in your life.  This is a separate issue from academics or missing class, or being sent home for the summer.  Todd won't be the last MU or NCAA Division 1 high major men's basketball player to be academically ineligible for a semester.  It's not a felony.

How many different rules does he get to break?  If it was only being late for practice, or only being academically ineligible for one semester, or only being asked to go home (or to a different country) for a summer to get his head out of his ass, or only being suspended for drinking or whatever it was for WVU, then sure.  But it isn't only one of those things.  It's all of those things.  Not contradictory at all.

Quote from: rocket surgeon on December 08, 2013, 03:05:53 PM
todds accountability or blame his teammates for todd's tardiness, ya can't have it both ways

So you're saying it's not possible for more than one person to screw up a situation? What a perfect little world you must live in...

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2013, 02:55:28 PM
Disagree. Mayo may have screwed up, but where were his teammates to make sure he was awake? Accountability means you are accountable for yourself and your teammates. That goes on and off the court.

Not trying to be cute, but how would you do this?  If they are supposed to be at practice at 7:00 and everyone is there at 6:55 except Todd, I guess they call him?  My point being that by the time everyone gets to practice, there isn't much time left to save one's mate.  Unless you are suggesting his teammates call each other each and every day before practice to make sure they are up, or en route, etc.

Just doesn't seem practical to me, nor does it seem appropriate.  These are adults. 

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2013, 02:55:28 PM
Disagree. Mayo may have screwed up, but where were his teammates to make sure he was awake? Accountability means you are accountable for yourself and your teammates. That goes on and off the court.

Give me a break. Personal accountability. Chicos is correct, how do you do this anyway. Its not jamils or anyone else's responsibility to make sure mayo gets to practice on time.

You can only help or cover for guy so much. If Todd was model citizen and something out of the norm happened I would think the guys would lend a hand. My gut says he has had get out of jail card on more than occasion at MU.

Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on December 08, 2013, 03:12:23 PM

I'm starting to think that you are a bit of a misogynist.

Funny, because I've often thought you come off quite emasculated.  As for me being a misogynist - only when the woman is an idiot. 

I'm glad the teammates got brought up - not because I think they have responsibility for this, but because I can't help but wonder if they're being unfairly punished/lead on by the Todd stuff. PRESUMING that this was actually because Todd was late for practice (which I haven't seen verified anywhere?), I'm having a really difficult time reconciling Todd's disciplinary history, the crime and the punishment here.

To punish him by suspending him for the game would really rub me the wrong way if I were a teammate. Yes the rules are the rules, but this whole "well, you're suspended for this big game to teach you a lesson and make you grow up" philosophy, really hurts the rest of the team (and has been shown not to be particularly effective in Todd's case). And regardless of whether or not we're right about any the assumptions, Buzz's quote after the game when asked about the effect of Todd's suspension: "None. We got beat." - What the hell are you talking about? If you want to suspend him and say "Sure this negatively affects the team, but the rules are the rules." Or "Todd's past means that we have to make sure we keep him on the right path, even for minor infractions." Or "One team member's infraction is the entire team's infraction. And we are a team on or off the court." Philosophically - fine, I get it. I might not agree, but that makes sense. But to publicly says that it made no difference? That would piss me off if I were a veteran on that team because its simply not taking responsibility for the consequences of a coaching decision.

Todd's attitude and maturity is completely within Buzz's purview, as are any disciplinary decisions, etc. But if I'm a teammate, this whole roller coaster with Todd would have to be getting old - w/r/t Todd and the coaching staff. If Todd has shown a lot of positive signs and started to come around, great. But then again, at that point, one would have to think that he'd either (a) have one chance left or (b) have earned a bit of leeway if he rolled into practice late or had another small infraction. But to expect me to endure his roller coaster as a teammate of being eligible, then not around, then worked back into schemes and the locker room - yet then suspend him for a game where he really could have made a difference, all to then say missing him was inconsequential? If missing him made no difference, why do you continue to permit his drama? Why do I have to just starting coming around to relying on him and counting on him again, only to have the rug pulled out in a big game? I understand this might just be Buzz not wanting to make excuses, but I think that response is a bit disrespectful to the rest of the team, and what is expected of them w/r/t Todd.

Quote from: MUBurrow on December 08, 2013, 04:04:41 PM
I'm glad the teammates got brought up - not because I think they have responsibility for this, but because I can't help but wonder if they're being unfairly punished/lead on by the Todd stuff. PRESUMING that this was actually because Todd was late for practice (which I haven't seen verified anywhere?), I'm having a really difficult time reconciling Todd's disciplinary history, the crime and the punishment here.

To punish him by suspending him for the game would really rub me the wrong way if I were a teammate. Yes the rules are the rules, but this whole "well, you're suspended for this big game to teach you a lesson and make you grow up" philosophy, really hurts the rest of the team (and has been shown not to be particularly effective in Todd's case). And regardless of whether or not we're right about any the assumptions, Buzz's quote after the game when asked about the effect of Todd's suspension: "None. We got beat." - What the hell are you talking about? If you want to suspend him and say "Sure this negatively affects the team, but the rules are the rules." Or "Todd's past means that we have to make sure we keep him on the right path, even for minor infractions." Or "One team member's infraction is the entire team's infraction. And we are a team on or off the court." Philosophically - fine, I get it. I might not agree, but that makes sense. But to publicly says that it made no difference? That would piss me off if I were a veteran on that team because its simply not taking responsibility for the consequences of a coaching decision.

Todd's attitude and maturity is completely within Buzz's purview, as are any disciplinary decisions, etc. But if I'm a teammate, this whole roller coaster with Todd would have to be getting old - w/r/t Todd and the coaching staff. If Todd has shown a lot of positive signs and started to come around, great. But then again, at that point, one would have to think that he'd either (a) have one chance left or (b) have earned a bit of leeway if he rolled into practice late or had another small infraction. But to expect me to endure his roller coaster as a teammate of being eligible, then not around, then worked back into schemes and the locker room - yet then suspend him for a game where he really could have made a difference, all to then say missing him was inconsequential? If missing him made no difference, why do you continue to permit his drama? Why do I have to just starting coming around to relying on him and counting on him again, only to have the rug pulled out in a big game? I understand this might just be Buzz not wanting to make excuses, but I think that response is a bit disrespectful to the rest of the team, and what is expected of them w/r/t Todd.

I hear what you're saying, but if those who got Todd's minutes had just stepped up and hit a couple of shots or made a few other plays, it would have been very good for them and the team overall.

It's the cliche of all cliches, but one guy really isn't bigger than the team. And yes, his teammates should be damn sick and tired of his act.

Quote from: MUBurrow on December 08, 2013, 04:04:41 PM
I'm glad the teammates got brought up - not because I think they have responsibility for this, but because I can't help but wonder if they're being unfairly punished/lead on by the Todd stuff. PRESUMING that this was actually because Todd was late for practice (which I haven't seen verified anywhere?), I'm having a really difficult time reconciling Todd's disciplinary history, the crime and the punishment here.

To punish him by suspending him for the game would really rub me the wrong way if I were a teammate. Yes the rules are the rules, but this whole "well, you're suspended for this big game to teach you a lesson and make you grow up" philosophy, really hurts the rest of the team (and has been shown not to be particularly effective in Todd's case). And regardless of whether or not we're right about any the assumptions, Buzz's quote after the game when asked about the effect of Todd's suspension: "None. We got beat." - What the hell are you talking about? If you want to suspend him and say "Sure this negatively affects the team, but the rules are the rules." Or "Todd's past means that we have to make sure we keep him on the right path, even for minor infractions." Or "One team member's infraction is the entire team's infraction. And we are a team on or off the court." Philosophically - fine, I get it. I might not agree, but that makes sense. But to publicly says that it made no difference? That would piss me off if I were a veteran on that team because its simply not taking responsibility for the consequences of a coaching decision.

Todd's attitude and maturity is completely within Buzz's purview, as are any disciplinary decisions, etc. But if I'm a teammate, this whole roller coaster with Todd would have to be getting old - w/r/t Todd and the coaching staff. If Todd has shown a lot of positive signs and started to come around, great. But then again, at that point, one would have to think that he'd either (a) have one chance left or (b) have earned a bit of leeway if he rolled into practice late or had another small infraction. But to expect me to endure his roller coaster as a teammate of being eligible, then not around, then worked back into schemes and the locker room - yet then suspend him for a game where he really could have made a difference, all to then say missing him was inconsequential? If missing him made no difference, why do you continue to permit his drama? Why do I have to just starting coming around to relying on him and counting on him again, only to have the rug pulled out in a big game? I understand this might just be Buzz not wanting to make excuses, but I think that response is a bit disrespectful to the rest of the team, and what is expected of them w/r/t Todd.

Burrow, two years ago JC was suspended for the Wisconsin game.  We won anyway.  I don't think many people thought MU would win that game with our starting PG on the bench, but we did.

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2013, 03:16:09 PM
So you're saying it's not possible for more than one person to screw up a situation? What a perfect little world you must live in...

unless someone tied todd up, todd is responsible for todd.  hey, i like the guy and wished he would've been able to play.  i believe he could've had a real impact and given us a better chance at winning that ball game, but if he messed up...i'm not real happy about how the whole thing has played out

Definitely agree with / remember that. I guess I just find the cliches a bit unthoughtful when the team has the rug pulled out from under them like this. Not trying to say that we lost because Todd was suspended - but if Dylan Flood didnt make the trip, the answer might be that the team really missed his energy on the bench. Point just being that while no one man wins or loses the game, the team is simply a group of men. So suspending one always makes a difference. Considering the burden of Todd's drama on the team and the fact that Todd might've been the best guard on the floor, I really don't like Buzz saying that it didn't matter that he chose to suspend him.

Quote from: MUBurrow on December 08, 2013, 04:36:40 PM
Definitely agree with / remember that. I guess I just find the cliches a bit unthoughtful when the team has the rug pulled out from under them like this. Not trying to say that we lost because Todd was suspended - but if Dylan Flood didnt make the trip, the answer might be that the team really missed his energy on the bench. Point just being that while no one man wins or loses the game, the team is simply a group of men. So suspending one always makes a difference. Considering the burden of Todd's drama on the team and the fact that Todd might've been the best guard on the floor, I really don't like Buzz saying that it didn't matter that he chose to suspend him.

Understood, though I think Buzz said it because he is a no excuses guy and didn't want to take anything away from the Vadgers.  That's my guess anyway.

Quote from: Ners on December 08, 2013, 03:08:46 PM
What's your deal on the Mayo hate - did he dawg you out Melissa Smooth?  Funny you refer to yourself as smooth too - talk about douchey.  

Classy. Tough guy. But easy to ignore. Kissy

Ive read a bunch of posts stating he was late for practice. Has that been confirmed or is it just the fun excuse to run with?

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 08, 2013, 03:07:58 PM
Thanks for the clarification. Think everyone (Buzz included) is tired of this crap. But since Buzz knows exactly what's going on I'll defer to his judgement on if and when Todd goes.

+1.

I think I know what I would do... but I don't know all of the facts.

I trust that Buzz has a good handle on the situation.

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2013, 02:55:28 PM
Disagree. Mayo may have screwed up, but where were his teammates to make sure he was awake? Accountability means you are accountable for yourself and your teammates. That goes on and off the court.

Bilas' book on Toughness talks about this exact thing in the Duke program.

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on December 08, 2013, 07:41:52 PM
Bilas' book on Toughness talks about this exact thing in the Duke program.

Yes, but clearly the posters on MUScoop know more about how a high-major basketball program runs than Jay Bilas does.

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2013, 07:48:46 PM
Yes, but clearly the posters on MUScoop know more about how a high-major basketball program runs than Jay Bilas does.

Well of course you are always right, I should have known better

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2013, 07:48:46 PM
Yes, but clearly the posters on MUScoop know more about how a high-major basketball program runs than Jay Bilas does.

I don't give a damn what Jay Bilas says.  Todd Mayo is responsible for getting Todd Mayo to practice on time.  He isn't a 14 year old playing AAU basketball who relies on a parent to drive him on time to a gym.  He lives on campus, 3 blocks from the practice gym.  His teammates are not responsible for dragging him to the gym on time.

Not to mention, nobody knows whether this is what he was suspended for.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 08, 2013, 08:03:33 PM
I don't give a damn what Jay Bilas says.  Todd Mayo is responsible for getting Todd Mayo to practice on time.  He isn't a 14 year old playing AAU basketball who relies on a parent to drive him on time to a gym.  He lives on campus, 3 blocks from the practice gym.  His teammates are not responsible for dragging him to the gym on time.

Not to mention, nobody knows whether this is what he was suspended for.

that's not the point.  the point is that everyone is part of the team and part of being a team is watching out for everyone else.

of course, mayo doesn't fist bump everyone on the bench, so that's why he didn't his wake up call.

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on December 08, 2013, 08:21:15 PM
that's not the point.  the point is that everyone is part of the team and part of being a team is watching out for everyone else.

of course, mayo doesn't fist bump everyone on the bench, so that's why he didn't his wake up call.

Like Chicos said, how is the team supposed to do that?  Right when you wake up you call everyone on the team to make sure they're all waking up?  Go door to door knocking to see if they're up yet?  C'mon.  Not to mention we don't know what time the practice was and where they were coming from.  Once again, Todd is responsible for Todd getting to practice on time.  He's a 23 year old college junior.  Time to grow up and take accountability.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 08, 2013, 08:24:28 PM
Like Chicos said, how is the team supposed to do that?  Right when you wake up you call everyone on the team to make sure they're all waking up?  Go door to door knocking to see if they're up yet?  C'mon.  Not to mention we don't know what time the practice was and where they were coming from.  Once again, Todd is responsible for Todd getting to practice on time.  He's a 23 year old college junior.  Time to grow up and take accountability.

None of those are bad ideas. Todd is responsible for Todd, but they are also all responsible for each other. That's what being a team is, on and off the court.

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on December 08, 2013, 07:41:52 PM
Bilas' book on Toughness talks about this exact thing in the Duke program.

I'm curious, how does this work.  Do the guards call the guards, the centers call the power forwards?  Odd days vs even days?  Don't forget practice tomorrow at 8 (same time we've had it everyday the last 2 months and for your previous two years)...don't hit the snooze.

OK, I was being facetious, but exactly how is this supposed to work?  I get Bilas' general concept, I get where Brew is going with this, look out for your teammates....all for one, one for all....it takes a village...three musketeers...etc, etc.   I'm just curious how exactly this is supposed to work.

I suspect at Duke there is also a limit to all of this.  Where does it stop.  Don't eat that third helping of pasta, too many carbs Christian.  Thanks Bobby, oh and don't forget to study for your big test in sociology 101, it's a doozy.  Grant, you are so right, and I'd suggest you also floss after this meal because of the long term health benefits.


At the end of the day, everyone seems to be "getting it", but one guy. 

Obviously some of those are taking it so far, but I'm pretty sure you intended hyperbole. For me, it would be about making sure everyone is getting where they need to get (practice, class, etc) and not getting into trouble off the court. Maybe for practice use a buddy system, where each guy has one other person he makes sure is getting there. Take classes together so you can study together and travel to class together. When you go out, have a teammate along to make sure you don't get into a fight when someone calls you Todd Miracle Whip.

I really don't think this is near as big a deal as some people are making it to be. I know professional life and college basketball are two different things, but when I have a mandatory training at work, I text my partner to make sure we both get it scheduled and he does the same for me. It makes it a lot easier to remember all the things that need to get done and make sure you are both finishing all the work that is required when you have a built in check-and-balance.

I'm not saying that Jamil should be in Todd's room watching him sleep, but giving a knock on the door before he leaves to make sure he's up doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

How does Chicks know anything when he is in California?

Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 08, 2013, 01:07:37 PM
Mayo might be better off at Sam's Club, hey?

There's still time for that.  I'd rather see him grow up, and get to the NBA.  If I were a betting man however, I'd say that Sam's Club is looking like the more likely of the two.

Mayo needs the buddy system.

Hey, it works for 10-year-olds at camp!

Maybe ners can call him

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 08, 2013, 08:58:40 PM
I'm curious, how does this work.  Do the guards call the guards, the centers call the power forwards?  Odd days vs even days?  Don't forget practice tomorrow at 8 (same time we've had it everyday the last 2 months and for your previous two years)...don't hit the snooze.

OK, I was being facetious, but exactly how is this supposed to work?  I get Bilas' general concept, I get where Brew is going with this, look out for your teammates....all for one, one for all....it takes a village...three musketeers...etc, etc.   I'm just curious how exactly this is supposed to work.

I suspect at Duke there is also a limit to all of this.  Where does it stop.  Don't eat that third helping of pasta, too many carbs Christian.  Thanks Bobby, oh and don't forget to study for your big test in sociology 101, it's a doozy.  Grant, you are so right, and I'd suggest you also floss after this meal because of the long term health benefits.


At the end of the day, everyone seems to be "getting it", but one guy. 

I tell you what...the MU teams under Crean did this. They were TIGHT. I never saw them dis unified. They looked out for one another on things like this.

I know this for a fact.

They all made sure each guy was up and at it...and pretty much left, came and went TOGETHER.

There was team accountability. I was impressed watching it.
Todd has to improve and be more responsible and so do his teammates.

They could have used Todd in that game, and Todd could have used that game to help beat a top #8 ranked school.

Quote from: hairyworthen on December 08, 2013, 03:39:31 PM
Give me a break. Personal accountability. Chicos is correct, how do you do this anyway. Its not jamils or anyone else's responsibility to make sure mayo gets to practice on time.

I AGREE 100%! Where was his teammates? This is a point I am trying to make here.

And we don't know. Maybe they tried and he did not answer the door for them either.

Maybe he was not even on campus but at his brother's OJ's house and couldn't be reached? We don't know.

But regardless to any of that, a team is a team on and off the court.

Todd has to be a better teammate and others on the squad need to help him, or make him be one. He has no choice in that.

You can talk about personal accountability all you want but  in this instance you are your brother's keeper.

Quote from: MUSF on December 08, 2013, 12:01:18 AM
At what point does accountability matter? Todd Mayo is a grown man that should probably start acting like one pretty soon. This is bigger than winning a game against UW. You've got a lot of talented young freshmen on this team and they are always watching.

Now this is a great post here...Now this I can buy into. Yes there are freshmen on the team that need to be shown the right way.

On this fact alone, you suspend an upperclassmen for this in the fact you have 4-5 freshmen on the team to watching.

If Duane Wilson was healthy enough to play, this is not even  an issue and Todd is probably sent home . . . for good. 

Quote from: AZWarrior on December 08, 2013, 09:28:00 PM
There's still time for that.  I'd rather see him grow up, and get to the NBA.  If I were a betting man however, I'd say that Sam's Club is looking like the more likely of the two.

Yeah, remember the good old days -- the first two months of Mayo's freshman season -- when folks here were debating if he'd stick around past two years before becoming an NBA superstar?

Quote from: MU82 on December 09, 2013, 08:07:27 AM
Yeah, remember the good old days -- the first two months of Mayo's freshman season -- when folks here were debating if he'd stick around past two years before becoming an NBA superstar?

They looked at him, but saw his brother. Mirage!

Quote from: MU82 on December 09, 2013, 08:07:27 AM
Yeah, remember the good old days -- the first two months of Mayo's freshman season -- when folks here were debating if he'd stick around past two years before becoming an NBA superstar?

Says a lot about the player... also says a lot about the coach that should be progressing the young man.

The coach?   The coach has disciplined him appropriately when he has not lived up to the required standards.   Mayo going home between his freshman and sophomore years, missing tons of practice due to academic issues, and then missing this past Saturday's games are all based on decisions MAYO has made.   Buzz even offered to help him transfer a year ago, but Todd and his mom were adamant that MU was the place for him. 

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 09, 2013, 02:58:53 PM
Says a lot about the player... also says a lot about the coach that should be progressing the young man.

Yeah, the guy who turned two non top 500 high school guys into first round NBA draft picks doesn't know about "progressing young men".

Quote from: tower912 on December 09, 2013, 03:01:16 PM
The coach?   The coach has disciplined him appropriately when he has not lived up to the required standards.   Mayo going home between his freshman and sophomore years, missing tons of practice due to academic issues, and then missing this past Saturday's games are all based on decisions MAYO has made.   Buzz even offered to help him transfer a year ago, but Todd and his mom were adamant that MU was the place for him. 

Maybe he should take a different approach at disciplining.  It's obviously not working.  You can say what you want about Todd - he's a dillhole.  But when you have an NBA caliber player on your team as an 18 year old that devolves into what he is today - then Buzz failed with him.  I'm sure Buzz took it on as a personal project to get this kid to realize his potential future - he obviously has not gotten through to him.  Reflects on both of them.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 09, 2013, 03:06:20 PM
Yeah, the guy who turned two non top 500 high school guys into first round NBA draft picks doesn't know about "progressing young men".

2 out of 3 4 ain't bad

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 09, 2013, 02:58:53 PM
Says a lot about the player... also says a lot about the coach that should be progressing the young man.

Oh..Man! You done started something now!!!! ;D

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 09, 2013, 03:08:21 PM
Maybe he should take a different approach at disciplining.  It's obviously not working.  You can say what you want about Todd - he's a dillhole.  But when you have an NBA caliber player on your team as an 18 year old that devolves into what he is today - then Buzz failed with him.  I'm sure Buzz took it on as a personal project to get this kid to realize his potential future - he obviously has not gotten through to him.  Reflects on both of them.

Todd was never 18 in college.

He was 20 the day he stepped on campus, and turned 21 in March of his frosh. year.

He has the capability to be a good college player, but he was never much of an NBA prospect as a 20yr old frosh.

Todd was an NBA prospect?  A 6'3" inconsistent shooting guard? 

I'm sure Buzz wouldn't place all the blame on Todd.  Some people need guidance, especially when they are young.  I don't think Todd really ever had that.  Now maybe he is just too selfish and too immature to improve on his actions... but I think Buzz would consider developing his kids as human beings a large part of his job.  For these kids, their basketball coaches are probably the #1 mentors in their lives.  

Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on December 09, 2013, 03:28:49 PM
Todd was an NBA prospect?  A 6'3" inconsistent shooting guard? 

I never said he was an NBA prosepct.  And who's to say what he was as a freshman?  I don't think it mattered either way to Buzz... he would try and help the kid anyway he could... and he didn't help this kid.  Not because he didn't try, but because for one reason or another, he didn't get through to Todd.

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 09, 2013, 03:29:42 PM
I'm sure Buzz wouldn't place all the blame on Todd.  Some people need guidance, especially when they are young.  I don't think Todd really ever had that.  Now maybe he is just too selfish and too immature to improve on his actions... but I think Buzz would consider developing his kids as human beings a large part of his job.  For these kids, their basketball coaches are probably the #1 mentors in their lives.  

Buzz is certainly accountable in some respects. Maybe he's been too hard or too soft on Todd in some ways (we don't know everything).

But, if the kid is repeatedly a knucklehead, there is only so much a coach can do.

Todd is 22 going on 23. He's old enough to know better.

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 09, 2013, 03:32:38 PM
I never said he was an NBA prosepct.  And who's to say what he was as a freshman?  I don't think it mattered either way to Buzz... he would try and help the kid anyway he could... and he didn't help this kid.  Not because he didn't try, but because for one reason or another, he didn't get through to Todd.

OK, I don't disagree with that.  But at some point, Buzz has greater responsibilities than to Todd...like to his entire basketball team.

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 09, 2013, 03:32:38 PM
I never said he was an NBA prosepct.  And who's to say what he was as a freshman?

Uhhh...

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 09, 2013, 03:08:21 PM
But when you have an NBA caliber player on your team as an 18 year old that devolves into what he is today - then Buzz failed with him.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 09, 2013, 03:06:20 PM
Yeah, the guy who turned two non top 500 high school guys JUCO AAs (one a POY) into first round NBA draft picks doesn't know about "progressing young men".

Fixed.

Quote from: The Equalizer on December 09, 2013, 03:37:40 PM
Fixed.

Says the guy who thinks Buzz suspends guys in games he thinks we'll lose anyway as a ploy for NCAA selection committee sympathy. Next you'll share proof that 911 was an inside job and that the moon landing was faked. Can't wait.

I've heard it all in 1 thread.  Mayo's teammates are at fault for not getting Mayo to the Al on time.  Buzz is at fault for not developing his players enough.  Buzz is at fault for not fixing a kid who has proven there is no fix for over and over again, and his older brother also proved that.

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 09, 2013, 03:08:21 PM
Maybe he should take a different approach at disciplining.  It's obviously not working.  You can say what you want about Todd - he's a dillhole.  But when you have an NBA caliber player on your team as an 18 year old that devolves into what he is today - then Buzz failed with him.  I'm sure Buzz took it on as a personal project to get this kid to realize his potential future - he obviously has not gotten through to him.  Reflects on both of them.

Why do you say it is not working?  Are all the guys running into problems, or just one?   

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 09, 2013, 03:06:20 PM
Yeah, the guy who turned two non top 500 high school guys into first round NBA draft picks doesn't know about "progressing young men".

Roseboro made the NBA?  

Let's not forget that Butler was offered by Kentucky, Iowa State, etc after Tyler Community college...he was hardly a diamond in the rough shaped by one man.  He had potential, a late bloomer, but you don't get offers from those schools if you aren't a good player.  

Crowder was offered by Baylor, Texas Tech, UNLV, Georgia....again, you don't get offered by high majors unless you have some talent.  It's not like he stepped on campus, either of them, as bad basketball players that took a miracle for them to get to the NBA.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 09, 2013, 03:54:41 PM
Says the guy who thinks Buzz suspends guys in games he thinks we'll lose anyway as a ploy for NCAA selection committee sympathy.

If Buzz thought we really needed to win the game, Todd would have had a half-game suspension.

Quote from: The Equalizer on December 09, 2013, 04:21:57 PM
If Buzz thought we really needed to win the game, Todd would have had a half-game suspension.

The source of this fact is, of course, your ass.

^^^^^^

Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on December 09, 2013, 04:25:05 PM

The source of this fact is, of course, your ass.

You mean just like the source of your claim to the contrary?

The only difference is that I can point out that Buzz has done it before.
Whereas you have no ability to say "Buzz would never do a thing like that."

Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on December 09, 2013, 04:25:05 PM

The source of this fact is, of course, your ass.

Bingo

There are a lot of other team violation penalties that can be used to punish the offending player for minor violations.  I have a problem when not only the team has to suffer but the fan base, recruiting and future revenues has to go along with it.

Countless laps, team pursuits, curfews, waterboarding.  Don't cost the game, please Buzz!

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 09, 2013, 03:08:21 PM
But when you have an NBA caliber player on your team as an 18 year old that devolves into what he is today - then Buzz failed with him.

This is laughable.

The only people who considered Mayo NBA caliber were a few disillusioned Scoopers, O.J. and Todd himself.

Oh, and he was never 18 at Marquette.

Facts are our friends.

Quote from: WarhawkWarrior on December 09, 2013, 04:51:52 PM
There are a lot of other team violation penalties that can be used to punish the offending player for minor violations.  I have a problem when not only the team has to suffer but the fan base, recruiting and future revenues has to go along with it.

Countless laps, team pursuits, curfews, waterboarding.  Don't cost the game, please Buzz!

Honest question.  Do you think if Mayo plays in that game that MU wins? 

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 09, 2013, 04:55:37 PM
Honest question.  Do you think if Mayo plays in that game that MU wins? 

Being that we were only 3 points at half-time.  I think there's a decent chance Mayo could've made the difference especially since we got little to no production out of Jajuan/Jake.  Needed someone besides Wilson and Gardner who could create their own shot.

Quote from: The Equalizer on December 09, 2013, 04:44:54 PM
You mean just like the source of your claim to the contrary?

The only difference is that I can point out that Buzz has done it before.
Whereas you have no ability to say "Buzz would never do a thing like that."

I am taking it at face value because:

1. I have no idea what he was suspended for.
2. I have no idea what Buzz has told Todd regarding his status, and
3. I have no idea how Buzz has handled similar situations in the past.

You are the one stating a fact without providing evidence otherwise.  The burden of proof is yours.

Not trying to be an apologist or suggesting this makes it all better, but in the spirit of making our readers as informed as possible, Todd sent the following apology via Twitter right after the Madison game: "I apologize to the Fans and the program of Marquette for being late to practice.  I let my team & the organization down, I apologize."  I for one think it shows some maturity as I don't remember seeing anything like this from Todd after his other suspensions (but correct me if I am wrong as I probably was not on social media back then).  

I didn't see his apology mentioned anywhere on this string or in the other strings about his suspension and thought it should be noted.    

Quote from: chris006 on December 09, 2013, 05:06:08 PM
Being that we were only 3 points at half-time.  I think there's a decent chance Mayo could've made the difference especially since we got little to no production out of Jajuan/Jake.  Needed someone besides Wilson and Gardner who could create their own shot.

Maybe, but then you have to ask how many ill advised shots does he take, etc, etc.  It's not only accretive is my point, there is some negative that comes with it as well.  Maybe we win, maybe we don't, but I don't blame Buzz one bit for this.  Making a guy run laps is going to do nothing.  This guy wants to play.  It's like disciplining your kids, at some point you have to take the car keys or something that really hurts to finally get through.

Quote from: MARQCAT on December 09, 2013, 05:13:40 PM
Not trying to be an apologist or suggesting this makes it all better, but in the spirit of making our readers as informed as possible, Todd sent the following apology via Twitter right after the Madison game: "I apologize to the Fans and the program of Marquette for being late to practice.  I let my team & the organization down, I apologize."  I for one think it shows some maturity as I don't remember seeing anything like this from Todd after his other suspensions (but correct me if I am wrong as I probably was not on social media back then).  

I didn't see his apology mentioned anywhere on this string or in the other strings about his suspension and thought it should be noted.    

Whether he was sincere or whether somebody wrote it for him as he cursed in the background, I'm glad this apology was issued.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 09, 2013, 05:13:59 PM
Maybe, but then you have to ask how many ill advised shots does he take, etc, etc.  It's not only accretive is my point, there is some negative that comes with it as well.  Maybe we win, maybe we don't, but I don't blame Buzz one bit for this.  Making a guy run laps is going to do nothing.  This guy wants to play.  It's like disciplining your kids, at some point you have to take the car keys or something that really hurts to finally get through.

I responded only to the question of whether we win.  I don't blame Buzz for suspending Mayo.  That's on Mayo... he knows the rules and the consequences.

I am as dissapointed as anyone that Mayo let down his team, but dear lord, the overreaction on this board to someone being late to practice is silly.  Buzz clearly felt it was a big enough offense to keep Todd out of a big game (a decision I don't really agree with), but being late to practice is really not a big deal.  I hope the people calling for Todd's head never got a C in college or were never late to work, practice or school.  

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 09, 2013, 04:55:37 PM
Honest question.  Do you think if Mayo plays in that game that MU wins? 

If he's the "good Todd" like he was two years ago in Madison, I think we do. We really did nothing great on Saturday, yet we were within 3 with a minute and change to go. They were ripe for the upset. I remember looking at the stats on the scoreboard with a minute to go and we were similar in most categories -- which really blew me away. We were actually better in shooting %. The big difference was not the 3pt %, but the 3pts attempted. I thought we had something like 3 and they had something like 20+. If Todd is in there driving, I think we get off at least a few open 3s. That could be the ball game right there. When "good Todd" is in there, I think this team could beat anybody. I never felt like we were really in the game on Saturday regardless of the score. WI is good, but on Saturday they didn't shoot lights outs like they have, and with any outside shooting we could have won.

Quote from: MU82 on December 09, 2013, 04:55:36 PM

This is laughable.

The only people who considered Mayo NBA caliber were a few disillusioned Scoopers, O.J. and Todd himself.

Oh, and he was never 18 at Marquette.

Facts are our friends.

SORRY GUYS, HE WASN'T 18 HE WAS 20.

And I'm sure you consider yourself an excellent judge of NBA talent.

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 09, 2013, 05:18:54 PM
I am as dissapointed as anyone that Mayo let down his team, but dear lord, the overreaction on this board to someone being late to practice is silly.  Buzz clearly felt it was a big enough offense to keep Todd out of a big game (a decision I don't really agree with), but being late to practice is really not a big deal.  I hope the people calling for Todd's head never got a C in college or were never late to work, practice or school.  

I have, in fact, been late to work.  But I can tell you that I wasn't late to work after my boss told me to take a nice 3 month unpaid vacation to get my head out of my ass because I wasn't pulling my weight, and that didn't come after the State decided to tell my boss to tell me to take a nice 3 month unpaid vacation because I haven't fulfilled the minimum requirements necessary to be qualified to do my job.

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 09, 2013, 05:18:54 PM
I am as dissapointed as anyone that Mayo let down his team, but dear lord, the overreaction on this board to someone being late to practice is silly.  Buzz clearly felt it was a big enough offense to keep Todd out of a big game (a decision I don't really agree with), but being late to practice is really not a big deal.  I hope the people calling for Todd's head never got a C in college or were never late to work, practice or school.  

Quadruple J

It's the PATTERN that creates the reaction. His multiple run-ins suggest he is not a great teammate.

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 09, 2013, 05:25:32 PM
SORRY GUYS, HE WASN'T 18 HE WAS 20.

And I'm sure you consider yourself an excellent judge of NBA talent.

I can tell you that I'm not a great evaluator of talent.

However, the odds of a 6'3" 20yr old frosh making the NBA are reaaallllly long, and that's why I didn't think he was much of a prospect.

I'm really just playing the odds.

Dwight Buycks wasn't much of an NBA prospect... but he worked his ass off in Europe and made himself into one. Rare. He beat the odds.

Is it really time to "pass the Mayo"?

Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on December 09, 2013, 05:11:49 PM

I am taking it at face value because:

1. I have no idea what he was suspended for.
2. I have no idea what Buzz has told Todd regarding his status, and
3. I have no idea how Buzz has handled similar situations in the past.

You are the one stating a fact without providing evidence otherwise.  The burden of proof is yours.

I offered my opinon.  You claimed I "pulled it out of my ass." In reality I based it on factual past history.

I'm sorry that you forgot that Buzz had previously issued half-game suspentions in a previous big-game situation. Howver, that suggests that Buzz considers the importance of the game when applying such penalties.

Quote from: The Equalizer on December 10, 2013, 08:10:58 AM
I'm sorry that you forgot that Buzz had previously issued half-game suspentions in a previous big-game situation. Howver, that suggests that Buzz considers the importance of the game when applying such penalties.

All the WVU case suggests is that Buzz considers playing the game more important than forfeiting.  He obviously wouldn't have tried to get five players to play 40 minutes in a cupcake game either.

Quote from: The Equalizer on December 10, 2013, 08:10:58 AM
I'm sorry that you forgot that Buzz had previously issued half-game suspentions in a previous big-game situation. Howver, that suggests that Buzz considers the importance of the game when applying such penalties.

Also directly from your ass. If you'd like to share the details of your discussion with Buzz regarding both these situations, that would be helpful for us to understand how you know all this. Was each situation the same? Why was 1/2 game deemed appropriate in one case, but not the other?  You claim you know it was because he wanted to win the game, but the reality is you don't have the first damn clue.

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on December 10, 2013, 08:29:02 AM
Also directly from your ass. If you'd like to share the details of your discussion with Buzz regarding both these situations, that would be helpful for us to understand how you know all this. Was each situation the same? Why was 1/2 game deemed appropriate in one case, but not the other?  You claim you know it was because he wanted to win the game, but the reality is you don't have the first damn clue.

It's a valid question though. 

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 09, 2013, 03:08:53 PM
2 out of 3 4 ain't bad

Actually it's awesome.

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 10, 2013, 08:30:41 AM
It's a valid question though. 

What's a valid question?

Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on December 09, 2013, 05:11:49 PM

I am taking it at face value because:

1. I have no idea what he was suspended for.
2. I have no idea what Buzz has told Todd regarding his status, and
3. I have no idea how Buzz has handled similar situations in the past.

You are the one stating a fact without providing evidence otherwise.  The burden of proof is yours.

Taking it as face value? Why, that is positively preposterous. Detective/sometimes auditor Equalizer has cracked the case. When Buzz knows he's going to lose a game, he effectively tries to throw it by suspending an important player. He does this in hopes that the NCAA selection committee will discount the loss. And if we end up winning the game he knew we would lose (see Junior's suspension game) it's a happy miscalculation. Oh, and in games we want to win, Buzz suspends three guys for a half, just enough so that we can win by a point at the end. This is as obvious as George Bush blowing up the Twin Towers or Barack Obama being a real life Manchurian Candidate. Say you're a believer and our boy will personally wrap your house in tin foil to keep out the alien gamma rays.

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 10, 2013, 08:30:41 AM
It's a valid question though. 

Is the question:

Why does Buzz always seem to have suspension occur in "big games"?

I think the answer is simply in the math and applying some common sense.

In the past few years MU has had more "big games" because they had grinder conference schedule. Outside of a handful of games in Nov. & December, every game was a "big game". "OMG Seton Hall on the road is going to be tough!"

Therefore, the odds of a player getting suspended for a big game are higher because there are more big games than cupcakes.

(HERE IS THE COMMON SENSE PART)

The most likely scenario is that (insert player) had (insert issue) occur right before (insert big game), so Buzz addressed it at that time. I doubt Mayo had an issue months ago, but Buzz "saved" his suspension until the UW game. Again, Occam's Razor, folks.

Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 10, 2013, 09:35:43 AM
Is the question:

Why does Buzz always seem to have suspension occur in "big games"?

I think the answer is simply in the math and applying some common sense.

In the past few years MU has had more "big games" because they had grinder conference schedule. Outside of a handful of games in Nov. & December, every game was a "big game". "OMG Seton Hall on the road is going to be tough!"

Therefore, the odds of a player getting suspended for a big game are higher because there are more big games than cupcakes.

(HERE IS THE COMMON SENSE PART)

The most likely scenario is that (insert player) had (insert issue) occur right before (insert big game), so Buzz addressed it at that time. I doubt Mayo had an issue months ago, but Buzz "saved" his suspension until the UW game. Again, Occam's Razor, folks.

Common sense? What a concept!

Let's not forget that, going into the WV game, WV squarely on the bubble while MU was ranked #10 in the country. IOW, it was a much bigger game for WV than for MU. After that game, MU played at Cincy (10-6 in the conf at the time) then home against #11 Georgetown who was a game behind MU in the conf. If Buzz was going to "save" a suspension for a big game, there were 2 bigger games within the next 8 days.

Also, DJO was suspended for the game against Northern Colorado just 2 days before MU played at LSU. Why didn't he "save" that one too?

Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 10, 2013, 09:35:43 AM
Is the question:

Why does Buzz always seem to have suspension occur in "big games"?

I think the answer is simply in the math and applying some common sense.

In the past few years MU has had more "big games" because they had grinder conference schedule. Outside of a handful of games in Nov. & December, every game was a "big game". "OMG Seton Hall on the road is going to be tough!"

Therefore, the odds of a player getting suspended for a big game are higher because there are more big games than cupcakes.

(HERE IS THE COMMON SENSE PART)

The most likely scenario is that (insert player) had (insert issue) occur right before (insert big game), so Buzz addressed it at that time. I doubt Mayo had an issue months ago, but Buzz "saved" his suspension until the UW game. Again, Occam's Razor, folks.

The four suspensions I recall are N Colorado (DJO), UW (Junior), WVA (three guys) and UW (Mayo). 25% cupcakes, 75% "real games". We play approximately 35 games per year, 7 cupcakes (20%) and 28 "real games" (80%). So, not even a minor mathematical coincidence to what would be a nonetheless wacky theory.

Bronson Koenig  at PG

Practice?



EDIT: damn youtube video wouldn't embed

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 10, 2013, 09:26:52 AM
Taking it as face value? Why, that is positively preposterous.

Perhaps we should take at face value your inability to understand that there is a difference between a JUCO All-American or JUCO Player of the Year and a HS player outside the top 500.

Quote from: The Equalizer on December 10, 2013, 01:29:00 PM
Perhaps we should take at face value your inability to understand that there is a difference between a JUCO All-American or JUCO Player of the Year and a HS player outside the top 500.

Good comeback.  ::)

Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 10, 2013, 09:35:43 AM
Is the question:

Why does Buzz always seem to have suspension occur in "big games"?

I think the answer is simply in the math and applying some common sense.

In the past few years MU has had more "big games" because they had grinder conference schedule. Outside of a handful of games in Nov. & December, every game was a "big game". "OMG Seton Hall on the road is going to be tough!"

Therefore, the odds of a player getting suspended for a big game are higher because there are more big games than cupcakes.

(HERE IS THE COMMON SENSE PART)

The most likely scenario is that (insert player) had (insert issue) occur right before (insert big game), so Buzz addressed it at that time. I doubt Mayo had an issue months ago, but Buzz "saved" his suspension until the UW game. Again, Occam's Razor, folks.

No, the question was:  why was 1/2 game suspension deemed appropriate then, but full game now?  Just seems kinda arbitrary.

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 10, 2013, 01:44:21 PM
No, the question was:  why was 1/2 game suspension deemed appropriate then, but full game now?  Just seems kinda arbitrary.

Well it seems that way to you because you don't know the whole story behind either suspension.

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 10, 2013, 01:44:21 PM
No, the question was:  why was 1/2 game suspension deemed appropriate then, but full game now?  Just seems kinda arbitrary.

How are different suspensions handed out for different offenses, different circumstances, in different seasons arbitrary? I'll tell you why, because other than the fact they were suspensions, you have no idea what else they do or do not have in common.

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 10, 2013, 01:44:21 PM
No, the question was:  why was 1/2 game suspension deemed appropriate then, but full game now?  Just seems kinda arbitrary.

If you committed the same infraction twice, as you are implying is the case here, wouldn't it be reasonable to expect to get a harsher suspension the 2nd time?

"Oh, a half game wasn't enough to help you learn?  Ok, sit your ass on the bench for a whole game now."

Quote from: The Equalizer on December 10, 2013, 01:29:00 PM
Perhaps we should take at face value your inability to understand that there is a difference between a JUCO All-American or JUCO Player of the Year and a HS player outside the top 500.

Jimmy Butler was an HONORABLE MENTION junior college all american, which placed him between 31 and 50 of junior college players. Not bad, but not Jamil Lott or Marcus Jackson, two of TC's Juco All Americans who starred for Marquette and went on to be first round NBA picks. Oh wait...second rounders? free agents? a tryout somewhere? a phone call from an agent in Ubeckistan? LOL.

Quote from: MU B2002 on December 10, 2013, 02:02:00 PM

If you committed the same infraction twice, as you are implying is the case here, wouldn't it be reasonable to expect to get a harsher suspension the 2nd time?

"Oh, a half game wasn't enough to help you learn?  Ok, sit your ass on the bench for a whole game now."

Yup.  And Buzz does not forget--you could even say that he's like a turtle.

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 10, 2013, 01:44:21 PM
No, the question was:  why was 1/2 game suspension deemed appropriate then, but full game now?  Just seems kinda arbitrary.

As I recall in West Vigrinia game there were 3 or 4 guys suspended, and to suspend them all for the game would have left the roster with only 6 or 7 guys available...

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 10, 2013, 01:44:21 PM
No, the question was:  why was 1/2 game suspension deemed appropriate then, but full game now?  Just seems kinda arbitrary.

Why don't you enlist the NLRB and sue Buzz for unfair labor practices. Sheesh, talk about making a mountain over something that's not even a molehill.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 10, 2013, 02:17:19 PM
Why don't you enlist the NLRB and sue Buzz for unfair labor practices. Sheesh, talk about making a mountain over something that not even a molehill.

Worse.  Making a mountain out of something not even a molehill because you are listening to The Equalizer.

Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on December 10, 2013, 02:18:38 PM

Worse.  Making a mountain out of something not even a molehill because you are listening to The Equalizer.

LOL

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 07, 2013, 04:07:32 PM
Isn't that the truth...the dogs learn pretty darn quick

Some things... they can learn to mix martinis, but they can't write a novel worth a damn.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 08, 2013, 01:43:15 PM
I think Todd would be OK with his brother making $20 million if Buzz manned up and said enough is enough.

Buzz wussed out, huh?  Maybe you'll man up and call Buzz's decision "inexcusable".

BTW, I don't think that a suspension for a game is a "written warning".

Is it possible his teammates pennied him into his room because they don't like him?

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 10, 2013, 02:17:19 PM
Why don't you enlist the NLRB and sue Buzz for unfair labor practices. Sheesh, talk about making a mountain over something that's not even a molehill.

Making a mountain for asking a question?  Seems like ya'll are the ones making it an 8 page discussion.

Has this thread reached the required length where fishing references are allowed!?!

Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 10, 2013, 03:08:12 PM
Is it possible his teammates pennied him into his room because they don't like him?

Now that brings back memories of Schroeder Hall.

Quote from: LittleMurs on December 10, 2013, 02:56:16 PM
Buzz wussed out, huh?  Maybe you'll man up and call Buzz's decision "inexcusable".

BTW, I don't think that a suspension for a game is a "written warning".

Already explained this one.

Quote from: The Equalizer on December 10, 2013, 08:10:58 AM
I offered my opinon.  You claimed I "pulled it out of my ass." In reality I based it on factual past history.

I'm sorry that you forgot that Buzz had previously issued half-game suspentions in a previous big-game situation. Howver, that suggests that Buzz considers the importance of the game when applying such penalties.

Or maybe he considers the fact that Todd is a repeat offender and therefore a more significant punishment was warranted.

Quote from: Pakuni on December 10, 2013, 04:00:09 PM
Or maybe he considers the fact that Todd is a repeat offender and therefore a more significant punishment was warranted.

Mabye he does, and I would have been fine if he respectfully offered that as his opinion.

But he didn't say that.  Instead, his comment was that I pulled my comment "out of my ass".  Well, he's wrong--there is history of Buzz issuing half-game suspensions. 

Quote from: The Equalizer on December 10, 2013, 04:19:11 PM
Mabye he does, and I would have been fine if he respectfully offered that as his opinion.

But he didn't say that.  Instead, his comment was that I pulled my comment "out of my ass".  Well, he's wrong--there is history of Buzz issuing half-game suspensions. 

A sample size of one. For which we don't know what the reason for the suspension was. The 2 situations may or may not be exactly the same. We don't know.

Quote from: The Equalizer on December 10, 2013, 04:19:11 PM
Mabye he does, and I would have been fine if he respectfully offered that as his opinion.

But he didn't say that.  Instead, his comment was that I pulled my comment "out of my ass".  Well, he's wrong--there is history of Buzz issuing half-game suspensions. 

And there's a history of Buzz issuing full game suspensions. In big-game situations.
So, what's ultimately your point?

Seems to me you've strapped on your tinfoil cap in search of some nefariousness that exists only in your imagination.

/Clicked on an 8 page thread for the first time

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Quote from: The Equalizer on December 10, 2013, 04:19:11 PM
Mabye he does, and I would have been fine if he respectfully offered that as his opinion.

But he didn't say that.  Instead, his comment was that I pulled my comment "out of my ass".  Well, he's wrong--there is history of Buzz issuing half-game suspensions. 

Oh no...you are going to pull your word twisting game with me.

I never disputed that Buzz has issued half game suspensions before.  Never.  Not once.  What I said you "pulled out of your ass" was your proposed *reasoning* for a full game suspension:

"If Buzz thought we really needed to win the game, Todd would have had a half-game suspension."

There is no evidence to suggest that Todd was given a full game suspension because he didn't think we "really needed to win this game." 

Quote from: LittleMurs on December 10, 2013, 03:38:01 PM
Now that brings back memories of Schroeder Hall.

Okay, someone fill me in. I know my daughter used to use a dime in the door mechanism to keep it open but how does one force it to remain closed?  By the way, I sincerely hope the RA kicked your backside if an active participant. That's downright mean AND dangerous.

Quote from: jsglow on December 10, 2013, 05:08:10 PM
Okay, someone fill me in. I know my daughter used to use a dime in the door mechanism to keep it open but how does one force it to remain closed?  By the way, I sincerely hope the RA kicked your backside if an active participant. That's downright mean AND dangerous.

http://www.instructables.com/id/Penny-Locked-Door-Prank/

Can someone tell me if Mayo will play this week and if not when he's expected to play again. I have him on my fantasy team and need to know when I can play him. Thanks.

He is supposed to be back this week.

Quote from: hoyasincebirth on December 10, 2013, 08:56:39 PM
Can someone tell me if Mayo will play this week and if not when he's expected to play again. I have him on my fantasy team and need to know when I can play him. Thanks.

How's Northeastern doing?  I drew them in my NCAA Lottery Pool.

Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on December 10, 2013, 08:59:18 PM
He is supposed to be back this week.

The season is saved!!!*


*I used the same line on the Duane Wilson thread.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 10, 2013, 09:31:03 PM
How's Northeastern doing?  I drew them in my NCAA Lottery Pool.

I was being serious you don't have to be an ass. I play fantasy basketball with the guys over at holyland of hoops. Mayo's giving me 27 fantasy points a game which is not too shabby. I started him this week because I didn't know about the suspension. Hopefully he ends up playing. Luckily my opponent started two players from providence who doesn't have a game this week so I should win no matter what.

That being said I'd take my losses to Oregon (kenpom 24) and Northeastern (Kenpom 145) with wins over VCU (kenpom 32)and Kansas st (kenpom 98) compared to your 4 loses ohio St (kenpom 2), Wisconsin (kenpom 9), San Diego St (Kenpom 41) and Arizona St (Kenpom 46) and wins over GW (kenpom 67) and Cal St Fullerton (Kenpom 234) yup that's your second best win our worst win is over kenpom 236 lipscomb.

You guys better get your act together and beat New Mexico for the BE's sake.

believe me Hoya, we've all had the same thought, but don't like hearing it out loud.

Quote from: hoyasincebirth on December 11, 2013, 08:40:17 AM
I was being serious you don't have to be an ass. I play fantasy basketball with the guys over at holyland of hoops. Mayo's giving me 27 fantasy points a game which is not too shabby. I started him this week because I didn't know about the suspension. Hopefully he ends up playing. Luckily my opponent started two players from providence who doesn't have a game this week so I should win no matter what.

That being said I'd take my losses to Oregon (kenpom 24) and Northeastern (Kenpom 145) with wins over VCU (kenpom 32)and Kansas st (kenpom 98) compared to your 4 loses ohio St (kenpom 2), Wisconsin (kenpom 9), San Diego St (Kenpom 41) and Arizona St (Kenpom 46) and wins over GW (kenpom 67) and Cal St Fullerton (Kenpom 234) yup that's your second best win our worst win is over kenpom 236 lipscomb.

You guys better get your act together and beat New Mexico for the BE's sake.

Well, the good news is that we get to play each other twice in conference play. I'll wait until March to start comparing resumes.

Side note, do you seriously play fantasy college bball? I didn't even know that existed.

yup here's the site for starting your own league if you're so inclined:

http://www.fantrax.com/fantasy/createLeagueStart.go?x=y&gameId=600 (http://www.fantrax.com/fantasy/createLeagueStart.go?x=y&gameId=600)

It's free to set up a league.

I'm glad this is an option since I only follow basketball and don't care at all about football so it's nice to be able to get in on the fantasy stuff with out having to pretend to care about football.

Quote from: hoyasincebirth on December 11, 2013, 07:16:34 PM
yup here's the site for starting your own league if you're so inclined:

http://www.fantrax.com/fantasy/createLeagueStart.go?x=y&gameId=600 (http://www.fantrax.com/fantasy/createLeagueStart.go?x=y&gameId=600)

It's free to set up a league.

I'm glad this is an option since I only follow basketball and don't care at all about football so it's nice to be able to get in on the fantasy stuff with out having to pretend to care about football.

Da hell?  My bad, thought it was a sarcastic remark.  Never heard of fantasy college basketball before.

As far as resumes go, VCU is a nice win because they'll remain highly ranked despite being (yet again) very overrated, and other than that neither team has really lit the world on fire.  Georgetown's is better for now, but Marquette doesn't have a bad loss so we will see.

I had Jabari Parker in my fantasy high school basketball league last season.

This season, I have Zaire Wade in my fantasy fifth-grade basketball league.

I'm real good.

Quote from: hoyasincebirth on December 11, 2013, 08:40:17 AM
You guys better get your act together and beat New Mexico for the BE's sake.

Don't worry about us. We always land on our feet. As for Georgetown in March...

Not sure if this will cause Todd to miss tomorrows game or not.......

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#Bucks guard O.J. Mayo missed shootaround after his grandmother passed away. He is here tonight and is expected to play.

I just hope a committee of eight teammates has been formed to call Todd every 5 minutes on a continuous loop to make sure he gets to the game on time.

Because it's clear that a 22-year-old should have to be babysat by his peers.