Mayo?

[wadesworld]

If you really think OJ's money will turn Todd into a man I hope you're not a parent. And if you think Buzz lacks the testosterone to ax Mayo I think you're missing the point.

I'm just saying that the whole "less than ideal background" doesn't really work for Todd considering he's not going to be on the streets with OJ as his brother anytime soon.

+1

I am not ready to throw the kid under the bus. He's made mistakes. He's made multiple mistakes. Can any of us say as a teen/early-twentysomething we didn't do the same? Ners makes a great point that Todd worked to stay on this team. If he continues to work and being late to practice is the worst offense, well, it sucks it's hardly a fatal flaw.

And clearly with all this snow, hell has frozen over...Ners and I agreeing! 

Todd is the only person throwing Todd under the bus.

[MU82]

I'm just saying that the whole "less than ideal background" doesn't really work for Todd considering he's not going to be on the streets with OJ as his brother anytime soon.

Todd is the only person throwing Todd under the bus.

Two terrific points.

[Lennys Tap]

Todd is the only person throwing Todd under the bus.

Todd is 100% responsible for his actions. But when someone says Buzz needs to "man up" and kick him to the curb that seems presumptuous.

[wadesworld]

Todd is 100% responsible for his actions. But when someone says Buzz needs to "man up" and kick him to the curb that seems presumptuous.

That wasn't my intent in that post.  My intent in that post was to point out that Todd would be OK if Buzz decided that was what he needed to do.  In my opinion, I would rather Todd not be on the team at this point.  How many times is he going to break a team rule, be declared ineligible, or asked to go home for a summer?  We can't keep risking having a key player out for games.  Not my call to make, but I'm tired of this crap.

[brewcity77]

Todd is the only person throwing Todd under the bus.

Disagree. Mayo may have screwed up, but where were his teammates to make sure he was awake? Accountability means you are accountable for yourself and your teammates. That goes on and off the court.

[wadesworld]

Disagree. Mayo may have screwed up, but where were his teammates to make sure he was awake? Accountability means you are accountable for yourself and your teammates. That goes on and off the court.

That's a joke, I hope.

[melissasmooth]

Disagree. Mayo may have screwed up, but where were his teammates to make sure he was awake? Accountability means you are accountable for yourself and your teammates. That goes on and off the court.

Wow.  Funny.  Blaming his teammates now.

[brewcity77]

That's a joke, I hope.

Not a joke at all. Is Mayo primarily to blame? Absolutely. But should the team be looking out for each other? Absolutely.

[rocket surgeon]

Disagree. Mayo may have screwed up, but where were his teammates to make sure he was awake? Accountability means you are accountable for yourself and your teammates. That goes on and off the court.

todds accountability or blame his teammates for todd's tardiness, ya can't have it both ways

[Lennys Tap]

That wasn't my intent in that post.  My intent in that post was to point out that Todd would be OK if Buzz decided that was what he needed to do.  In my opinion, I would rather Todd not be on the team at this point.  How many times is he going to break a team rule, be declared ineligible, or asked to go home for a summer?  We can't keep risking having a key player out for games.  Not my call to make, but I'm tired of this crap.

Thanks for the clarification. Think everyone (Buzz included) is tired of this crap. But since Buzz knows exactly what's going on I'll defer to his judgement on if and when Todd goes.

[rocket surgeon]

Wow.  Funny.  Blaiming his teammates now.

might as well throw his girl friend(s), mom n dad, o.j.,  in there too just to make sure we've got everyone covered

[NersEllenson]

Wow.  Funny.  Blaiming his teammates now.

What's your deal on the Mayo hate - did he dawg you out Melissa Smooth?  Funny you refer to yourself as smooth too - talk about douchey.  

[NersEllenson]

That wasn't my intent in that post.  My intent in that post was to point out that Todd would be OK if Buzz decided that was what he needed to do.  In my opinion, I would rather Todd not be on the team at this point.  How many times is he going to break a team rule, be declared ineligible, or asked to go home for a summer?  We can't keep risking having a key player out for games.  Not my call to make, but I'm tired of this crap.

Rather funny...and contradictory.  So you want to kick off a key player on the team, and run that risk - all for being late to practice?  Hope you've never been late in your life.  This is a separate issue from academics or missing class, or being sent home for the summer.  Todd won't be the last MU or NCAA Division 1 high major men's basketball player to be academically ineligible for a semester.  It's not a felony.

[GGGG]

What's your deal on the Mayo hate - did he dawg you out Melissa Smooth?  Funny you refer to yourself as smooth too - talk about douchey.  

I'm starting to think that you are a bit of a misogynist.

[wadesworld]

Rather funny...and contradictory.  So you want to kick off a key player on the team, and run that risk - all for being late to practice?  Hope you've never been late in your life.  This is a separate issue from academics or missing class, or being sent home for the summer.  Todd won't be the last MU or NCAA Division 1 high major men's basketball player to be academically ineligible for a semester.  It's not a felony.

How many different rules does he get to break?  If it was only being late for practice, or only being academically ineligible for one semester, or only being asked to go home (or to a different country) for a summer to get his head out of his ass, or only being suspended for drinking or whatever it was for WVU, then sure.  But it isn't only one of those things.  It's all of those things.  Not contradictory at all.

[brewcity77]

todds accountability or blame his teammates for todd's tardiness, ya can't have it both ways

So you're saying it's not possible for more than one person to screw up a situation? What a perfect little world you must live in...

[ChicosBailBonds]

Disagree. Mayo may have screwed up, but where were his teammates to make sure he was awake? Accountability means you are accountable for yourself and your teammates. That goes on and off the court.

Not trying to be cute, but how would you do this?  If they are supposed to be at practice at 7:00 and everyone is there at 6:55 except Todd, I guess they call him?  My point being that by the time everyone gets to practice, there isn't much time left to save one's mate.  Unless you are suggesting his teammates call each other each and every day before practice to make sure they are up, or en route, etc.

Just doesn't seem practical to me, nor does it seem appropriate.  These are adults. 

[hairy worthen]

Disagree. Mayo may have screwed up, but where were his teammates to make sure he was awake? Accountability means you are accountable for yourself and your teammates. That goes on and off the court.

Give me a break. Personal accountability. Chicos is correct, how do you do this anyway. Its not jamils or anyone else's responsibility to make sure mayo gets to practice on time.

[Goose]

You can only help or cover for guy so much. If Todd was model citizen and something out of the norm happened I would think the guys would lend a hand. My gut says he has had get out of jail card on more than occasion at MU.

[NersEllenson]

I'm starting to think that you are a bit of a misogynist.

Funny, because I've often thought you come off quite emasculated.  As for me being a misogynist - only when the woman is an idiot. 

[MUBurrow]

I'm glad the teammates got brought up - not because I think they have responsibility for this, but because I can't help but wonder if they're being unfairly punished/lead on by the Todd stuff. PRESUMING that this was actually because Todd was late for practice (which I haven't seen verified anywhere?), I'm having a really difficult time reconciling Todd's disciplinary history, the crime and the punishment here.

To punish him by suspending him for the game would really rub me the wrong way if I were a teammate. Yes the rules are the rules, but this whole "well, you're suspended for this big game to teach you a lesson and make you grow up" philosophy, really hurts the rest of the team (and has been shown not to be particularly effective in Todd's case). And regardless of whether or not we're right about any the assumptions, Buzz's quote after the game when asked about the effect of Todd's suspension: "None. We got beat." - What the hell are you talking about? If you want to suspend him and say "Sure this negatively affects the team, but the rules are the rules." Or "Todd's past means that we have to make sure we keep him on the right path, even for minor infractions." Or "One team member's infraction is the entire team's infraction. And we are a team on or off the court." Philosophically - fine, I get it. I might not agree, but that makes sense. But to publicly says that it made no difference? That would piss me off if I were a veteran on that team because its simply not taking responsibility for the consequences of a coaching decision.

Todd's attitude and maturity is completely within Buzz's purview, as are any disciplinary decisions, etc. But if I'm a teammate, this whole roller coaster with Todd would have to be getting old - w/r/t Todd and the coaching staff. If Todd has shown a lot of positive signs and started to come around, great. But then again, at that point, one would have to think that he'd either (a) have one chance left or (b) have earned a bit of leeway if he rolled into practice late or had another small infraction. But to expect me to endure his roller coaster as a teammate of being eligible, then not around, then worked back into schemes and the locker room - yet then suspend him for a game where he really could have made a difference, all to then say missing him was inconsequential? If missing him made no difference, why do you continue to permit his drama? Why do I have to just starting coming around to relying on him and counting on him again, only to have the rug pulled out in a big game? I understand this might just be Buzz not wanting to make excuses, but I think that response is a bit disrespectful to the rest of the team, and what is expected of them w/r/t Todd.

[MU82]

I'm glad the teammates got brought up - not because I think they have responsibility for this, but because I can't help but wonder if they're being unfairly punished/lead on by the Todd stuff. PRESUMING that this was actually because Todd was late for practice (which I haven't seen verified anywhere?), I'm having a really difficult time reconciling Todd's disciplinary history, the crime and the punishment here.

To punish him by suspending him for the game would really rub me the wrong way if I were a teammate. Yes the rules are the rules, but this whole "well, you're suspended for this big game to teach you a lesson and make you grow up" philosophy, really hurts the rest of the team (and has been shown not to be particularly effective in Todd's case). And regardless of whether or not we're right about any the assumptions, Buzz's quote after the game when asked about the effect of Todd's suspension: "None. We got beat." - What the hell are you talking about? If you want to suspend him and say "Sure this negatively affects the team, but the rules are the rules." Or "Todd's past means that we have to make sure we keep him on the right path, even for minor infractions." Or "One team member's infraction is the entire team's infraction. And we are a team on or off the court." Philosophically - fine, I get it. I might not agree, but that makes sense. But to publicly says that it made no difference? That would piss me off if I were a veteran on that team because its simply not taking responsibility for the consequences of a coaching decision.

Todd's attitude and maturity is completely within Buzz's purview, as are any disciplinary decisions, etc. But if I'm a teammate, this whole roller coaster with Todd would have to be getting old - w/r/t Todd and the coaching staff. If Todd has shown a lot of positive signs and started to come around, great. But then again, at that point, one would have to think that he'd either (a) have one chance left or (b) have earned a bit of leeway if he rolled into practice late or had another small infraction. But to expect me to endure his roller coaster as a teammate of being eligible, then not around, then worked back into schemes and the locker room - yet then suspend him for a game where he really could have made a difference, all to then say missing him was inconsequential? If missing him made no difference, why do you continue to permit his drama? Why do I have to just starting coming around to relying on him and counting on him again, only to have the rug pulled out in a big game? I understand this might just be Buzz not wanting to make excuses, but I think that response is a bit disrespectful to the rest of the team, and what is expected of them w/r/t Todd.

I hear what you're saying, but if those who got Todd's minutes had just stepped up and hit a couple of shots or made a few other plays, it would have been very good for them and the team overall.

It's the cliche of all cliches, but one guy really isn't bigger than the team. And yes, his teammates should be damn sick and tired of his act.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm glad the teammates got brought up - not because I think they have responsibility for this, but because I can't help but wonder if they're being unfairly punished/lead on by the Todd stuff. PRESUMING that this was actually because Todd was late for practice (which I haven't seen verified anywhere?), I'm having a really difficult time reconciling Todd's disciplinary history, the crime and the punishment here.

To punish him by suspending him for the game would really rub me the wrong way if I were a teammate. Yes the rules are the rules, but this whole "well, you're suspended for this big game to teach you a lesson and make you grow up" philosophy, really hurts the rest of the team (and has been shown not to be particularly effective in Todd's case). And regardless of whether or not we're right about any the assumptions, Buzz's quote after the game when asked about the effect of Todd's suspension: "None. We got beat." - What the hell are you talking about? If you want to suspend him and say "Sure this negatively affects the team, but the rules are the rules." Or "Todd's past means that we have to make sure we keep him on the right path, even for minor infractions." Or "One team member's infraction is the entire team's infraction. And we are a team on or off the court." Philosophically - fine, I get it. I might not agree, but that makes sense. But to publicly says that it made no difference? That would piss me off if I were a veteran on that team because its simply not taking responsibility for the consequences of a coaching decision.

Todd's attitude and maturity is completely within Buzz's purview, as are any disciplinary decisions, etc. But if I'm a teammate, this whole roller coaster with Todd would have to be getting old - w/r/t Todd and the coaching staff. If Todd has shown a lot of positive signs and started to come around, great. But then again, at that point, one would have to think that he'd either (a) have one chance left or (b) have earned a bit of leeway if he rolled into practice late or had another small infraction. But to expect me to endure his roller coaster as a teammate of being eligible, then not around, then worked back into schemes and the locker room - yet then suspend him for a game where he really could have made a difference, all to then say missing him was inconsequential? If missing him made no difference, why do you continue to permit his drama? Why do I have to just starting coming around to relying on him and counting on him again, only to have the rug pulled out in a big game? I understand this might just be Buzz not wanting to make excuses, but I think that response is a bit disrespectful to the rest of the team, and what is expected of them w/r/t Todd.

Burrow, two years ago JC was suspended for the Wisconsin game.  We won anyway.  I don't think many people thought MU would win that game with our starting PG on the bench, but we did.

[rocket surgeon]

So you're saying it's not possible for more than one person to screw up a situation? What a perfect little world you must live in...

unless someone tied todd up, todd is responsible for todd.  hey, i like the guy and wished he would've been able to play.  i believe he could've had a real impact and given us a better chance at winning that ball game, but if he messed up...i'm not real happy about how the whole thing has played out

[MUBurrow]

Definitely agree with / remember that. I guess I just find the cliches a bit unthoughtful when the team has the rug pulled out from under them like this. Not trying to say that we lost because Todd was suspended - but if Dylan Flood didnt make the trip, the answer might be that the team really missed his energy on the bench. Point just being that while no one man wins or loses the game, the team is simply a group of men. So suspending one always makes a difference. Considering the burden of Todd's drama on the team and the fact that Todd might've been the best guard on the floor, I really don't like Buzz saying that it didn't matter that he chose to suspend him.