Mayo?

[MarsupialMadness]

The coach?   The coach has disciplined him appropriately when he has not lived up to the required standards.   Mayo going home between his freshman and sophomore years, missing tons of practice due to academic issues, and then missing this past Saturday's games are all based on decisions MAYO has made.   Buzz even offered to help him transfer a year ago, but Todd and his mom were adamant that MU was the place for him. 

Maybe he should take a different approach at disciplining.  It's obviously not working.  You can say what you want about Todd - he's a dillhole.  But when you have an NBA caliber player on your team as an 18 year old that devolves into what he is today - then Buzz failed with him.  I'm sure Buzz took it on as a personal project to get this kid to realize his potential future - he obviously has not gotten through to him.  Reflects on both of them.

[MarsupialMadness]

Yeah, the guy who turned two non top 500 high school guys into first round NBA draft picks doesn't know about "progressing young men".

2 out of 3 4 ain't bad

[Sunbelt15]

Says a lot about the player... also says a lot about the coach that should be progressing the young man.

Oh..Man! You done started something now!!!!

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Maybe he should take a different approach at disciplining.  It's obviously not working.  You can say what you want about Todd - he's a dillhole.  But when you have an NBA caliber player on your team as an 18 year old that devolves into what he is today - then Buzz failed with him.  I'm sure Buzz took it on as a personal project to get this kid to realize his potential future - he obviously has not gotten through to him.  Reflects on both of them.

Todd was never 18 in college.

He was 20 the day he stepped on campus, and turned 21 in March of his frosh. year.

He has the capability to be a good college player, but he was never much of an NBA prospect as a 20yr old frosh.

[GGGG]

Todd was an NBA prospect?  A 6'3" inconsistent shooting guard? 

[MarsupialMadness]

I'm sure Buzz wouldn't place all the blame on Todd.  Some people need guidance, especially when they are young.  I don't think Todd really ever had that.  Now maybe he is just too selfish and too immature to improve on his actions... but I think Buzz would consider developing his kids as human beings a large part of his job.  For these kids, their basketball coaches are probably the #1 mentors in their lives.  

[MarsupialMadness]

Todd was an NBA prospect?  A 6'3" inconsistent shooting guard? 

I never said he was an NBA prosepct.  And who's to say what he was as a freshman?  I don't think it mattered either way to Buzz... he would try and help the kid anyway he could... and he didn't help this kid.  Not because he didn't try, but because for one reason or another, he didn't get through to Todd.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I'm sure Buzz wouldn't place all the blame on Todd.  Some people need guidance, especially when they are young.  I don't think Todd really ever had that.  Now maybe he is just too selfish and too immature to improve on his actions... but I think Buzz would consider developing his kids as human beings a large part of his job.  For these kids, their basketball coaches are probably the #1 mentors in their lives.  

Buzz is certainly accountable in some respects. Maybe he's been too hard or too soft on Todd in some ways (we don't know everything).

But, if the kid is repeatedly a knucklehead, there is only so much a coach can do.

Todd is 22 going on 23. He's old enough to know better.

[GGGG]

I never said he was an NBA prosepct.  And who's to say what he was as a freshman?  I don't think it mattered either way to Buzz... he would try and help the kid anyway he could... and he didn't help this kid.  Not because he didn't try, but because for one reason or another, he didn't get through to Todd.

OK, I don't disagree with that.  But at some point, Buzz has greater responsibilities than to Todd...like to his entire basketball team.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I never said he was an NBA prosepct.  And who's to say what he was as a freshman?

Uhhh...

But when you have an NBA caliber player on your team as an 18 year old that devolves into what he is today - then Buzz failed with him.

[The Equalizer]

Yeah, the guy who turned two non top 500 high school guys JUCO AAs (one a POY) into first round NBA draft picks doesn't know about "progressing young men".

Fixed.

[Lennys Tap]

Fixed.

Says the guy who thinks Buzz suspends guys in games he thinks we'll lose anyway as a ploy for NCAA selection committee sympathy. Next you'll share proof that 911 was an inside job and that the moon landing was faked. Can't wait.

[wadesworld]

I've heard it all in 1 thread.  Mayo's teammates are at fault for not getting Mayo to the Al on time.  Buzz is at fault for not developing his players enough.  Buzz is at fault for not fixing a kid who has proven there is no fix for over and over again, and his older brother also proved that.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Maybe he should take a different approach at disciplining.  It's obviously not working.  You can say what you want about Todd - he's a dillhole.  But when you have an NBA caliber player on your team as an 18 year old that devolves into what he is today - then Buzz failed with him.  I'm sure Buzz took it on as a personal project to get this kid to realize his potential future - he obviously has not gotten through to him.  Reflects on both of them.

Why do you say it is not working?  Are all the guys running into problems, or just one?   

[ChicosBailBonds]

Yeah, the guy who turned two non top 500 high school guys into first round NBA draft picks doesn't know about "progressing young men".

Roseboro made the NBA?  

Let's not forget that Butler was offered by Kentucky, Iowa State, etc after Tyler Community college...he was hardly a diamond in the rough shaped by one man.  He had potential, a late bloomer, but you don't get offers from those schools if you aren't a good player.  

Crowder was offered by Baylor, Texas Tech, UNLV, Georgia....again, you don't get offered by high majors unless you have some talent.  It's not like he stepped on campus, either of them, as bad basketball players that took a miracle for them to get to the NBA.

[The Equalizer]

Says the guy who thinks Buzz suspends guys in games he thinks we'll lose anyway as a ploy for NCAA selection committee sympathy.

If Buzz thought we really needed to win the game, Todd would have had a half-game suspension.

[GGGG]

If Buzz thought we really needed to win the game, Todd would have had a half-game suspension.

The source of this fact is, of course, your ass.

[NavinRJohnson]

^^^^^^

[The Equalizer]

The source of this fact is, of course, your ass.

You mean just like the source of your claim to the contrary?

The only difference is that I can point out that Buzz has done it before.
Whereas you have no ability to say "Buzz would never do a thing like that."

[ronald dragon]

The source of this fact is, of course, your ass.

Bingo

[WarhawkWarrior]

There are a lot of other team violation penalties that can be used to punish the offending player for minor violations.  I have a problem when not only the team has to suffer but the fan base, recruiting and future revenues has to go along with it.

Countless laps, team pursuits, curfews, waterboarding.  Don't cost the game, please Buzz!

[MU82]

But when you have an NBA caliber player on your team as an 18 year old that devolves into what he is today - then Buzz failed with him.

This is laughable.

The only people who considered Mayo NBA caliber were a few disillusioned Scoopers, O.J. and Todd himself.

Oh, and he was never 18 at Marquette.

Facts are our friends.

[ChicosBailBonds]

There are a lot of other team violation penalties that can be used to punish the offending player for minor violations.  I have a problem when not only the team has to suffer but the fan base, recruiting and future revenues has to go along with it.

Countless laps, team pursuits, curfews, waterboarding.  Don't cost the game, please Buzz!

Honest question.  Do you think if Mayo plays in that game that MU wins? 

[San Diego Warrior]

Honest question.  Do you think if Mayo plays in that game that MU wins? 

Being that we were only 3 points at half-time.  I think there's a decent chance Mayo could've made the difference especially since we got little to no production out of Jajuan/Jake.  Needed someone besides Wilson and Gardner who could create their own shot.

[GGGG]

You mean just like the source of your claim to the contrary?

The only difference is that I can point out that Buzz has done it before.
Whereas you have no ability to say "Buzz would never do a thing like that."

I am taking it at face value because:

1. I have no idea what he was suspended for.
2. I have no idea what Buzz has told Todd regarding his status, and
3. I have no idea how Buzz has handled similar situations in the past.

You are the one stating a fact without providing evidence otherwise.  The burden of proof is yours.