Mayo?

[Logi4three]

Not trying to be an apologist or suggesting this makes it all better, but in the spirit of making our readers as informed as possible, Todd sent the following apology via Twitter right after the Madison game: "I apologize to the Fans and the program of Marquette for being late to practice.  I let my team & the organization down, I apologize."  I for one think it shows some maturity as I don't remember seeing anything like this from Todd after his other suspensions (but correct me if I am wrong as I probably was not on social media back then).  

I didn't see his apology mentioned anywhere on this string or in the other strings about his suspension and thought it should be noted.    

[ChicosBailBonds]

Being that we were only 3 points at half-time.  I think there's a decent chance Mayo could've made the difference especially since we got little to no production out of Jajuan/Jake.  Needed someone besides Wilson and Gardner who could create their own shot.

Maybe, but then you have to ask how many ill advised shots does he take, etc, etc.  It's not only accretive is my point, there is some negative that comes with it as well.  Maybe we win, maybe we don't, but I don't blame Buzz one bit for this.  Making a guy run laps is going to do nothing.  This guy wants to play.  It's like disciplining your kids, at some point you have to take the car keys or something that really hurts to finally get through.

[MU82]

Not trying to be an apologist or suggesting this makes it all better, but in the spirit of making our readers as informed as possible, Todd sent the following apology via Twitter right after the Madison game: "I apologize to the Fans and the program of Marquette for being late to practice.  I let my team & the organization down, I apologize."  I for one think it shows some maturity as I don't remember seeing anything like this from Todd after his other suspensions (but correct me if I am wrong as I probably was not on social media back then).  

I didn't see his apology mentioned anywhere on this string or in the other strings about his suspension and thought it should be noted.    

Whether he was sincere or whether somebody wrote it for him as he cursed in the background, I'm glad this apology was issued.

[San Diego Warrior]

Maybe, but then you have to ask how many ill advised shots does he take, etc, etc.  It's not only accretive is my point, there is some negative that comes with it as well.  Maybe we win, maybe we don't, but I don't blame Buzz one bit for this.  Making a guy run laps is going to do nothing.  This guy wants to play.  It's like disciplining your kids, at some point you have to take the car keys or something that really hurts to finally get through.

I responded only to the question of whether we win.  I don't blame Buzz for suspending Mayo.  That's on Mayo... he knows the rules and the consequences.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I am as dissapointed as anyone that Mayo let down his team, but dear lord, the overreaction on this board to someone being late to practice is silly.  Buzz clearly felt it was a big enough offense to keep Todd out of a big game (a decision I don't really agree with), but being late to practice is really not a big deal.  I hope the people calling for Todd's head never got a C in college or were never late to work, practice or school.  

[Freeport Warrior]

Honest question.  Do you think if Mayo plays in that game that MU wins? 

If he's the "good Todd" like he was two years ago in Madison, I think we do. We really did nothing great on Saturday, yet we were within 3 with a minute and change to go. They were ripe for the upset. I remember looking at the stats on the scoreboard with a minute to go and we were similar in most categories -- which really blew me away. We were actually better in shooting %. The big difference was not the 3pt %, but the 3pts attempted. I thought we had something like 3 and they had something like 20+. If Todd is in there driving, I think we get off at least a few open 3s. That could be the ball game right there. When "good Todd" is in there, I think this team could beat anybody. I never felt like we were really in the game on Saturday regardless of the score. WI is good, but on Saturday they didn't shoot lights outs like they have, and with any outside shooting we could have won.

[MarsupialMadness]

This is laughable.

The only people who considered Mayo NBA caliber were a few disillusioned Scoopers, O.J. and Todd himself.

Oh, and he was never 18 at Marquette.

Facts are our friends.

SORRY GUYS, HE WASN'T 18 HE WAS 20.

And I'm sure you consider yourself an excellent judge of NBA talent.

[wadesworld]

I am as dissapointed as anyone that Mayo let down his team, but dear lord, the overreaction on this board to someone being late to practice is silly.  Buzz clearly felt it was a big enough offense to keep Todd out of a big game (a decision I don't really agree with), but being late to practice is really not a big deal.  I hope the people calling for Todd's head never got a C in college or were never late to work, practice or school.  

I have, in fact, been late to work.  But I can tell you that I wasn't late to work after my boss told me to take a nice 3 month unpaid vacation to get my head out of my ass because I wasn't pulling my weight, and that didn't come after the State decided to tell my boss to tell me to take a nice 3 month unpaid vacation because I haven't fulfilled the minimum requirements necessary to be qualified to do my job.

[moomoo]

I am as dissapointed as anyone that Mayo let down his team, but dear lord, the overreaction on this board to someone being late to practice is silly.  Buzz clearly felt it was a big enough offense to keep Todd out of a big game (a decision I don't really agree with), but being late to practice is really not a big deal.  I hope the people calling for Todd's head never got a C in college or were never late to work, practice or school.  

Quadruple J

It's the PATTERN that creates the reaction. His multiple run-ins suggest he is not a great teammate.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

SORRY GUYS, HE WASN'T 18 HE WAS 20.

And I'm sure you consider yourself an excellent judge of NBA talent.

I can tell you that I'm not a great evaluator of talent.

However, the odds of a 6'3" 20yr old frosh making the NBA are reaaallllly long, and that's why I didn't think he was much of a prospect.

I'm really just playing the odds.

Dwight Buycks wasn't much of an NBA prospect... but he worked his ass off in Europe and made himself into one. Rare. He beat the odds.

[Sunbelt15]

Is it really time to "pass the Mayo"?

[The Equalizer]

I am taking it at face value because:

1. I have no idea what he was suspended for.
2. I have no idea what Buzz has told Todd regarding his status, and
3. I have no idea how Buzz has handled similar situations in the past.

You are the one stating a fact without providing evidence otherwise.  The burden of proof is yours.

I offered my opinon.  You claimed I "pulled it out of my ass." In reality I based it on factual past history.

I'm sorry that you forgot that Buzz had previously issued half-game suspentions in a previous big-game situation. Howver, that suggests that Buzz considers the importance of the game when applying such penalties.

[chapman]

I'm sorry that you forgot that Buzz had previously issued half-game suspentions in a previous big-game situation. Howver, that suggests that Buzz considers the importance of the game when applying such penalties.

All the WVU case suggests is that Buzz considers playing the game more important than forfeiting.  He obviously wouldn't have tried to get five players to play 40 minutes in a cupcake game either.

[NavinRJohnson]

I'm sorry that you forgot that Buzz had previously issued half-game suspentions in a previous big-game situation. Howver, that suggests that Buzz considers the importance of the game when applying such penalties.

Also directly from your ass. If you'd like to share the details of your discussion with Buzz regarding both these situations, that would be helpful for us to understand how you know all this. Was each situation the same? Why was 1/2 game deemed appropriate in one case, but not the other?  You claim you know it was because he wanted to win the game, but the reality is you don't have the first damn clue.

[MarsupialMadness]

Also directly from your ass. If you'd like to share the details of your discussion with Buzz regarding both these situations, that would be helpful for us to understand how you know all this. Was each situation the same? Why was 1/2 game deemed appropriate in one case, but not the other?  You claim you know it was because he wanted to win the game, but the reality is you don't have the first damn clue.

It's a valid question though. 

[Lennys Tap]

2 out of 3 4 ain't bad

Actually it's awesome.

[GGGG]

It's a valid question though. 

What's a valid question?

[Lennys Tap]

I am taking it at face value because:

1. I have no idea what he was suspended for.
2. I have no idea what Buzz has told Todd regarding his status, and
3. I have no idea how Buzz has handled similar situations in the past.

You are the one stating a fact without providing evidence otherwise.  The burden of proof is yours.

Taking it as face value? Why, that is positively preposterous. Detective/sometimes auditor Equalizer has cracked the case. When Buzz knows he's going to lose a game, he effectively tries to throw it by suspending an important player. He does this in hopes that the NCAA selection committee will discount the loss. And if we end up winning the game he knew we would lose (see Junior's suspension game) it's a happy miscalculation. Oh, and in games we want to win, Buzz suspends three guys for a half, just enough so that we can win by a point at the end. This is as obvious as George Bush blowing up the Twin Towers or Barack Obama being a real life Manchurian Candidate. Say you're a believer and our boy will personally wrap your house in tin foil to keep out the alien gamma rays.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

It's a valid question though. 

Is the question:

Why does Buzz always seem to have suspension occur in "big games"?

I think the answer is simply in the math and applying some common sense.

In the past few years MU has had more "big games" because they had grinder conference schedule. Outside of a handful of games in Nov. & December, every game was a "big game". "OMG Seton Hall on the road is going to be tough!"

Therefore, the odds of a player getting suspended for a big game are higher because there are more big games than cupcakes.

(HERE IS THE COMMON SENSE PART)

The most likely scenario is that (insert player) had (insert issue) occur right before (insert big game), so Buzz addressed it at that time. I doubt Mayo had an issue months ago, but Buzz "saved" his suspension until the UW game. Again, Occam's Razor, folks.

[MerrittsMustache]

Is the question:

Why does Buzz always seem to have suspension occur in "big games"?

I think the answer is simply in the math and applying some common sense.

In the past few years MU has had more "big games" because they had grinder conference schedule. Outside of a handful of games in Nov. & December, every game was a "big game". "OMG Seton Hall on the road is going to be tough!"

Therefore, the odds of a player getting suspended for a big game are higher because there are more big games than cupcakes.

(HERE IS THE COMMON SENSE PART)

The most likely scenario is that (insert player) had (insert issue) occur right before (insert big game), so Buzz addressed it at that time. I doubt Mayo had an issue months ago, but Buzz "saved" his suspension until the UW game. Again, Occam's Razor, folks.

Common sense? What a concept!

Let's not forget that, going into the WV game, WV squarely on the bubble while MU was ranked #10 in the country. IOW, it was a much bigger game for WV than for MU. After that game, MU played at Cincy (10-6 in the conf at the time) then home against #11 Georgetown who was a game behind MU in the conf. If Buzz was going to "save" a suspension for a big game, there were 2 bigger games within the next 8 days.

Also, DJO was suspended for the game against Northern Colorado just 2 days before MU played at LSU. Why didn't he "save" that one too?

[Lennys Tap]

Is the question:

Why does Buzz always seem to have suspension occur in "big games"?

I think the answer is simply in the math and applying some common sense.

In the past few years MU has had more "big games" because they had grinder conference schedule. Outside of a handful of games in Nov. & December, every game was a "big game". "OMG Seton Hall on the road is going to be tough!"

Therefore, the odds of a player getting suspended for a big game are higher because there are more big games than cupcakes.

(HERE IS THE COMMON SENSE PART)

The most likely scenario is that (insert player) had (insert issue) occur right before (insert big game), so Buzz addressed it at that time. I doubt Mayo had an issue months ago, but Buzz "saved" his suspension until the UW game. Again, Occam's Razor, folks.

The four suspensions I recall are N Colorado (DJO), UW (Junior), WVA (three guys) and UW (Mayo). 25% cupcakes, 75% "real games". We play approximately 35 games per year, 7 cupcakes (20%) and 28 "real games" (80%). So, not even a minor mathematical coincidence to what would be a nonetheless wacky theory.

[Earl Tatum]

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[Eldon]

Practice?



EDIT: damn youtube video wouldn't embed

[The Equalizer]

Taking it as face value? Why, that is positively preposterous.

Perhaps we should take at face value your inability to understand that there is a difference between a JUCO All-American or JUCO Player of the Year and a HS player outside the top 500.

[GGGG]

Perhaps we should take at face value your inability to understand that there is a difference between a JUCO All-American or JUCO Player of the Year and a HS player outside the top 500.

Good comeback.