How 'bout this for going against the grain ...
If Texas stinks this season and Barnes gets fired, let's say they come after Buzz hard.
1. Buzz will leave, ending a wonderful chapter at Marquette and hopefully starting another. Because he (and Crean) definitely proved that big-time success is possible again at MU, we should be able to bring in another top coach and keep the train rolling.
-OR-
2. Buzz will spurn Texas and stay, effectively ending the daily Buzz-To-Wherever speculation and giving us reason to believe he really will be at Marquette "for as long as they want me." Because if he's not leaving for Texas, he probably isn't leaving.
I'd obviously prefer No. 2. But either way, Marquette gets some closure on this issue.
(I do feel guilty kind of rooting for Barnes to get fired. I never want anybody to lose his/her job. But it is part of that business, his unemployment benefits would be pretty nice, and he would be unemployed for about a second.)
I was just watching "Drunk History" on Comedy Central on demand, and it occurs to me that this thread is something like "Drunk Marquette Rooting."
Personally, I don't need any closure. The only people that need closure are the ones that perpetually speculate and analyze. Just enjoy what we got now...No need to try let yourself get scared every year that Texas doesn't perform. If it eventually happens, then it happens...but I'm not going to worry about it now.
We've got a great coach. A great team. And we are in the middle of a great era of MUBB. Just enjoy it!
If Buzz leaves, it only advances the opinion that MU is a stepping stone job.
Bringing in a 'top coach' is not as easy as it sounds. I certainly don't want Buzz to go anywhere just so we can have closure.
Quote from: LittleMurs on September 11, 2013, 12:13:10 PM
I was just watching "Drunk History" on Comedy Central on demand, and it occurs to me that this thread is something like "Drunk Marquette Rooting."
Sans multiple appearances by Derek Waters.
Maybe Buzz will replace Mack Brown?
JUST. STOP IT. WITH. THE. TEXAS. CONCERN TROLLING.
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Quote from: We R Final Four on September 11, 2013, 12:15:29 PM
If Buzz leaves, it only advances the opinion that MU is a stepping stone job.
Yeah cause it would be really weird that a guy who grew up in Texas would go back there to take a job at a school four times the size with a huge athletic budget and its own cable television network.
If he goes he goes. Life goes on.
Well, let's think, if it happened to Barnes, could it happen to Buzz?
Not weird at all sultan. It would mean however that the last two coaches were hired as top assistants--had success-- and left for a perceived better job. Then we hire a top assistant and if he has success we continue to be the best feeder program in the country.
If Buzz stays-- no more stepping stone story.
Quote from: MUWarrior11 on September 11, 2013, 12:14:31 PM
Personally, I don't need any closure. The only people that need closure are the ones that perpetually speculate and analyze. Just enjoy what we got now...No need to try let yourself get scared every year that Texas doesn't perform. If it eventually happens, then it happens...but I'm not going to worry about it now.
We've got a great coach. A great team. And we are in the middle of a great era of MUBB. Just enjoy it!
I actually am not one of those who perpetually speculates and analyzes.
My response to Buzz-to-Wherever threads is usually something along the lines of: "I hope he stays but if he goes, that's life and we'll get someone great again."
I certainly am not "worried" about it. Like most everybody else, I have real worries in life.
I was throwing this out there because Buzz-to-Texas was mentioned in yet another thread and this would seem the best way to stop the silliness.
Quote from: We R Final Four on September 11, 2013, 12:54:05 PM
Not weird at all sultan. It would mean however that the last two coaches were hired as top assistants--had success-- and left for a perceived better job. Then we hire a top assistant and if he has success we continue to be the best feeder program in the country.
If that is your definition of a "stepping stone job" than 95% of the jobs in the country are stepping stones.
Losing O'Neill to Tennessee was a blow. Losing Crean, a former B10 assistant, to Indiana was completely understandable. Losing Buzz to Texas would be as well.
Quote from: We R Final Four on September 11, 2013, 12:54:05 PM
Not weird at all sultan. It would mean however that the last two coaches were hired as top assistants--had success-- and left for a perceived better job. Then we hire a top assistant and if he has success we continue to be the best feeder program in the country.
If Buzz stays-- no more stepping stone story.
So unless Buzz stays in Milwaukee for the entirety of his career - which could go a few more decades - MU is a "stepping stone?"
By that standard, pretty much any school can be a stepping stone. Ol Roy left Kansas. Pitino left Kentucky. Larry Brown left UCLA. STEPPING STONES!
I think the fact Buzz has stayed despite strong interest from the like of Texas A&M, Oklahoma and I'm sure others says MU is not a stepping stone. If Buzz leaves for Texas, it's because it's Texas (Oh, God, did I just say that?) not because of any real or perceived slight to MU.
1. Hire a young assistant coach to be head coach. This is his first high D1 HC job.
2. Coach has success at first high D1 job.
3. Coach leaves for other job with more pay.
4. D1 school left w/o coach hires hot assistant coach.
This is the recipe of a stepping stone job.
Quote from: We R Final Four on September 11, 2013, 01:20:58 PM
1. Hire a young assistant coach to be head coach. This is his first high D1 HC job.
2. Coach has success at first high D1 job.
3. Coach leaves for other job with more pay.
4. D1 school left w/o coach hires hot assistant coach.
This is the recipe of a stepping stone job.
I prefer to see it as a recipe for a 312-150 (.675) record since 1998-99, with 10 NCAA appearances, including a pair of Sweet Sixteens, an Elite Eight and a Final Four.
Look, nobody here wants to see Buzz go. But if the Texas job opens up, and it's offered to him, it's a distinct possibility. And if that happens, it's not a poor reflection on Marquette. It just means that the head coaching job a bigger school with deeper pockets - and, oh hey, the flagship university of the country's second-largest state - is a pretty attractive gig.
Arguing over semantics.
Given the departures of O'Neill and Crean for "better jobs," should Buzz do the same, it would be impossible for folks not to call Marquette a "stepping-stone job."
But I agree that just because Buzz leaves for what would be seemingly his perfect job, it doesn't necessarily mean Marquette is "only" a stepping-stone school.
Semantics.
This conversation reminds me a little bit of the situation at Illinois, where fans are outraged at the thought of their school being a stepping-stone job. They hated Self for helping foster that thought. Of course, Henson and Webber both would have stayed forever but were fired. Which is Reason No. 468 that a coach should be loyal only to himself, because once he stops winning big, there is no loyalty the other way and nobody is talking about stepping stones.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 11, 2013, 01:32:05 PM
I prefer to see it as a recipe for a 312-150 (.675) record since 1998-99, with 10 NCAA appearances, including a pair of Sweet Sixteens, an Elite Eight and a Final Four.
Look, nobody here wants to see Buzz go. But if the Texas job opens up, and it's offered to him, it's a distinct possibility. And if that happens, it's not a poor reflection on Marquette. It just means that the head coaching job a bigger school with deeper pockets - and, oh hey, the flagship university of the country's second-largest state - is a pretty attractive gig.
Yup.
Nothing to lose sleep over. Marquette is a very good program. Elite? Nope. But very good with a lot of resources available.
They have bigger problems than BB in Texas. Like giving up 550 rushing yards to BYU.
It's threads like these that Bleacher Report is useful for. Fear mongering!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1530193-texas-basketball-5-reasons-the-longhorns-need-to-fire-rick-barnes
I'm not too worried. Buzz is a great coach, and it would suck if he left, but Marquette is one of the most dedicated universities in the country when it comes to college hoops. We spend more than almost anyone else in the country on our program, including big names like UCLA, Syracuse, Indiana, Texas, Michigan State and, oh yeah, Wisconsin. We will have no trouble getting a great coach from outside if we want one. Another insider could work out well too.
Proof, in case anybody wanted any.
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-20-schools-spend-the-most-money-on-their-basketball-teams-2012-1?op=1
We REALLY need the season to start.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 11, 2013, 01:32:05 PM
Look, nobody here wants to see Buzz go. But if the Texas job opens up, and it's offered to him, it's a distinct possibility. And if that happens, it's not a poor reflection on Marquette. It just means that the head coaching job a bigger school with deeper pockets - and, oh hey, the flagship university of the country's second-largest state - is a pretty attractive gig.
Exactly. You've explained my first 3 points. The only thing left to do is hire a hot young assistant coach to be the next head coach and the cycle continues.
Quote from: MU82 on September 11, 2013, 12:06:22 PM
2. Buzz will spurn Texas and stay, effectively ending the daily Buzz-To-Wherever speculation and giving us reason to believe he really will be at Marquette "for as long as they want me." Because if he's not leaving for Texas, he probably isn't leaving.
I'd obviously prefer No. 2. But either way, Marquette gets some closure on this issue.
No. There will never be closure. Things can always change. If you want Buzz at Marquette, it'll always be something on your mind from time to time. Getting past a coaching change at Texas in the spring of 2014 wouldn't wrap that issue up for everyone.
Quote from: MU82 on September 11, 2013, 12:06:22 PM
How 'bout this for going against the grain ...
If Texas stinks this season and Barnes gets fired, let's say they come after Buzz hard.
They will come hard after him and probably 3 or 4 other guys. I actually think they would make a run at someone even higher profile first, but Buzz would definitely be on their list. I hope Barnes does well this year, I'd rather not have another coach leave in such a short time period.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2013, 02:42:27 PM
No. There will never be closure. Things can always change. If you want Buzz at Marquette, it'll always be something on your mind from time to time. Getting past a coaching change at Texas in the spring of 2014 wouldn't wrap that issue up for everyone.
+1
Buzz could say no to Texas and say yes to Duke when K retires, or Kansas when Self goes to the NBA. He's here now. Let's hope it stays that way.
I thought this thread was going to be about rooting against Texas football, not basketball.
I'm hoping Texas football gets destroyed this season so that all of UT's resources are channeled there.
In the worst case scenario, we have to find a new coach. I hope and believe that the BOT sees what having a top-notch, nationally-relevant basketball program can do for a university (especially donations) and continues to devote time, effort, and money to the program.
Quote from: Terror Skink on September 11, 2013, 12:42:48 PM
Yeah cause it would be really weird that a guy who grew up in Texas would go back there to take a job at a school four times the size with a huge athletic budget and its own cable television network.
If he goes he goes. Life goes on.
Well its not a good thing. Guess what? It sucks to have your last two coaches leave, and its hard to keep replacing them - especially one as special as Buzz.
Bill Self is from Oklahoma State, but I don't see him going there over Kansas anytime soon.
Quote from: Aughnanure on September 11, 2013, 03:10:43 PM
Well its not a good thing. Guess what? It sucks to have your last two coaches leave, and its hard to keep replacing them - especially one as special as Buzz.
Bill Self is from Oklahoma State, but I don't see him going there over Kansas anytime soon.
I heard plenty of Self to OSU rumors before Travis Ford turned it around with Marcus Smart last year. Considering the money behind that program, him returning there either as a direct Ford replacement (if he fails) or coming back from the NBA wouldn't surprise me at all.
Quote from: Aughnanure on September 11, 2013, 03:10:43 PM
Well its not a good thing. Guess what? It sucks to have your last two coaches leave, and its hard to keep replacing them - especially one as special as Buzz.
Bill Self is from Oklahoma State, but I don't see him going there over Kansas anytime soon.
Self was
this close to taking the Okie State job in 2008.
Quote from: Aughnanure on September 11, 2013, 03:10:43 PM
Well its not a good thing. Guess what? It sucks to have your last two coaches leave, and its hard to keep replacing them - especially one as special as Buzz.
Bill Self is from Oklahoma State, but I don't see him going there over Kansas anytime soon.
Brew and Pakuni addressed this.
And MU isn't Kansas.
It will be an interesting season to watch, but seems the odds are stacked against Barnes this season.....he is approaching Grandpa stage so that could be the issue.
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/22/rick-barnes-job-status-at-texas-will-be-something-to-keep-an-eye-on-all-season-long/
http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/08/writer-rick-barnes-has-lost-his-recruiting-touch-stats-tell-the-story.html/
It's sad and unseemly to see this much unnecessary angst turn some
folks into a sniveling bunch of whining toddlers, over the latest
hypothetical, "Buzz to _____." rumors.
Get over it. It's out of your control. He has every incentive to stay, but he
might leave. Deal with that reality.
Oh, AND YOU CAN ACT LIKE A MAN. Buzz might leave to Texas...what
can I do? what can I do??
http://www.youtube.com/v/nbZEkFLXh9Y&fs=1&source=uds
Quote from: Pakuni on September 11, 2013, 03:26:12 PM
Self was this close to taking the Okie State job in 2008.
No he was not.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 11, 2013, 03:18:02 PM
I heard plenty of Self to OSU rumors before Travis Ford turned it around with Marcus Smart last year. Considering the money behind that program, him returning there either as a direct Ford replacement (if he fails) or coming back from the NBA wouldn't surprise me at all.
Rumors aren't truth. And the money is obvious - T. Boone Pickens.
Quote from: Terror Skink on September 11, 2013, 03:53:57 PM
Brew and Pakuni addressed this.
And MU isn't Kansas.
My response was to your 'aww shucks' attitude about it - which is soo odd. If Buzz is as good as we think he is, how is the response just 'oh, we'll move on.'
We are not Kansas, and therefore this is a bigger threat. The coach after Buzz is no guarantee.
Quote from: Aughnanure on September 11, 2013, 05:56:58 PM
No he was not.
You're right. He met for several hours with Okie State's AD to discuss the job because he wasn't serious about it.
Coaches do that
all the time.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 11, 2013, 06:02:58 PM
You're right. He met for several hours with Okie State's AD to discuss the job because he wasn't serious about it.
Coaches do that all the time.
Coaches do that when they're not trying to be a dick to their alma mater.
Quote from: Aughnanure on September 11, 2013, 06:07:53 PM
Coaches do that when they're not trying to be a dick to their alma mater.
Oh, come on. Pretty sure he could have saved himself and time and travel by politely declining without being a dick.
It's his alma mater. It's a respectable program. And Boone Pickens was going open up the vault for him. Self would have been a fool not to seriously consider it. And he's not a fool.
Not sure why you're hellbent on disproving the obvious.
Quote from: lab_warrior on September 11, 2013, 05:56:22 PM
Get over it. It's out of your control. He has every incentive to stay, but he
might leave. Deal with that reality.
Agree with the approach...nothing we can do about it....the sun will rise, the earth will remain on its axis, another coach will be hired. Still, will be interesting to watch it unfold if it happens.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 11, 2013, 06:15:02 PM
Oh, come on. Pretty sure he could have saved himself and time and travel by politely declining without being a dick.
It's his alma mater. It's a respectable program. And Boone Pickens was going open up the vault for him. Self would have been a fool not to seriously consider it. And he's not a fool.
Not sure why you're hellbent on disproving the obvious.
Because he was never leaving, and to claim KU is at risk to losing their coach to anything other than a massive NBA contract paints the "no one's coach is safe" argument in a highly incorrect and overexaggerated light.
By interviewing w/ Okie State he raised the profile of that program to other coaches. It was a favor.
Most programs, year in and year out, still do not deal with the type of 'is he leaving" vs 'is he staying' type of concern.
Quote from: Aughnanure on September 11, 2013, 06:00:31 PM
My response was to your 'aww shucks' attitude about it - which is soo odd. If Buzz is as good as we think he is, how is the response just 'oh, we'll move on.'
Because there is really nothing I can do about it. Why worry about something that I cannot control and doesn't have a meaningful impact on my life?
Quote from: lab_warrior on September 11, 2013, 05:56:22 PM
Get over it. It's out of your control. He has every incentive to stay, but he
might leave. Deal with that reality.
So is EVERYTHING that happens in college basketball. Does that mean we not talk about the games or worry about an outcome cause it's "out of our control"?
Quote from: Terror Skink on September 11, 2013, 07:40:16 PM
Because there is really nothing I can do about it. Why worry about something that I cannot control and doesn't have a meaningful impact on my life?
Why talk about anything then?
Quote from: Aughnanure on September 11, 2013, 07:42:25 PM
Why talk about anything then?
I pretty much have an "aw shucks" attitude over most things on this board. That doesn't mean I cant talk about it.
Quote from: Terror Skink on September 11, 2013, 07:44:32 PM
I pretty much have an "aw shucks" attitude over most things on this board. That doesn't mean I cant talk about it.
Maybe it was just the people telling anyone that mentions this to shut up that got on my nerves. This is the Texas job, and will be relevant. I'm usually in agreement with you, but I'm going to be really pissed/bummed if Buzz does leave - aw shucks will not be a sufficient summary.
Quote from: We R Final Four on September 11, 2013, 01:20:58 PM
1. Hire a young assistant coach to be head coach. This is his first high D1 HC job.
2. Coach has success at first high D1 job.
3. Coach leaves for other job with more pay.
4. D1 school left w/o coach hires hot assistant coach.
This is the recipe of a stepping stone job.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 11, 2013, 01:32:05 PM
I prefer to see it as a recipe for a 312-150 (.675) record since 1998-99, with 10 NCAA appearances, including a pair of Sweet Sixteens, an Elite Eight and a Final Four.
Look, nobody here wants to see Buzz go. But if the Texas job opens up, and it's offered to him, it's a distinct possibility. And if that happens, it's not a poor reflection on Marquette. It just means that the head coaching job a bigger school with deeper pockets - and, oh hey, the flagship university of the country's second-largest state - is a pretty attractive gig.
Quote from: We R Final Four on September 11, 2013, 02:39:50 PM
Exactly. You've explained my first 3 points. The only thing left to do is hire a hot young assistant coach to be the next head coach and the cycle continues.
Actually, he didn't exactly explain your first three points, in particular point three. there is no guarantee that Texas can or will be able to pay Buzz
more to coach for them. If Buzz leaves for Texas it won't be for financial reasons. Just as Crean didn't leave for Indiana for financial reasons.
Quote from: lab_warrior on September 11, 2013, 05:56:22 PM
It's sad and unseemly to see this much unnecessary angst turn some
folks into a sniveling bunch of whining toddlers, over the latest
hypothetical, "Buzz to _____." rumors.
Get over it. It's out of your control. He has every incentive to stay, but he
might leave. Deal with that reality.
Oh, AND YOU CAN ACT LIKE A MAN. Buzz might leave to Texas...what
can I do? what can I do??
http://www.youtube.com/v/nbZEkFLXh9Y&fs=1&source=uds
I don't sense any sniveling in this comment stream.
And I didn't start this stream to take part in "fear-mongering," as another poster claimed.
It was just something that popped into my head and I thought would be interesting to discuss.
Jeesh. It's a fan board and it's the offseason. Sorry for using a fan board to, um, talk about stuff some fans might be thinking about.
Yeah, let's go back to something useful, like which 14-year-old might commit next or who should start between Otule and Gardner.
I'm rooting for Marquette!
Quote from: LittleMurs on September 11, 2013, 08:03:10 PM
Actually, he didn't exactly explain your first three points, in particular point three. there is no guarantee that Texas can or will be able to pay Buzz more to coach for them. If Buzz leaves for Texas it won't be for financial reasons. Just as Crean didn't leave for Indiana for financial reasons.
Never said it was for financial reasons. Sultan explained several reasons why a guy from Texas may very well head back to his home state school.
However, I assure you He ain't takin a pay cut to do so.
Quote from: LittleMurs on September 11, 2013, 08:03:10 PM
Actually, he didn't exactly explain your first three points, in particular point three. there is no guarantee that Texas can or will be able to pay Buzz more to coach for them. If Buzz leaves for Texas it won't be for financial reasons. Just as Crean didn't leave for Indiana for financial reasons.
True, there is no guarantee Texas will pay more...but they can absolutely outspend us if they so chose. Their pockets are deep and their alumni will support the decision...as long as football is taken care of first.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 11, 2013, 10:34:50 PM
True, there is no guarantee Texas will pay more...but they can absolutely outspend us if they so chose. Their pockets are deep and their alumni will support the decision...as long as football is taken care of first.
My understanding is that the state of Texas threw a hissy fit last time they raised Barnes' salary and with Buzz already making more $$ it would seem like they wouldn't want to pay more for a coach.
Quote from: Aughnanure on September 11, 2013, 06:00:31 PM
My response was to your 'aww shucks' attitude about it - which is soo odd. If Buzz is as good as we think he is, how is the response just 'oh, we'll move on.'
We are not Kansas, and therefore this is a bigger threat. The coach after Buzz is no guarantee.
I seem to recall Kansas losing their head coach to North Carolina. I wonder if Kansas considers their program to be a stepping stone?
Quote from: MarquetteDano on September 11, 2013, 11:13:42 PM
I seem to recall Kansas losing their head coach to North Carolina. I wonder if Kansas considers their program to be a stepping stone?
One blue dog to another....plus Roy Williams a UNC alumnus.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 11, 2013, 11:15:22 PM
One blue dog to another....plus Roy Williams a UNC alumnus.
Could we not make the same argument for Crean? Went to a blue blood. IF Williams left for Texas he is from there?
The whole stepping stone thing is overblown. Yes, if a blue blood comes calling any coach can be poached, as Williams proved leaving Kansas to North Carolina.
And one more thing: when Roy Williams was hired he was, gasp, an ASSISTANT!
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on September 11, 2013, 10:59:22 PM
My understanding is that the state of Texas threw a hissy fit last time they raised Barnes' salary and with Buzz already making more $$ it would seem like they wouldn't want to pay more for a coach.
We don't know Buzz's compensation package. I can tell you I don't believe it's significantly higher than that of Barnes, if even as high. Barnes has a solid guarantee setup plus some relatively low-hanging incentives.
Money wouldn't be an issue (well, it would from a PR standpoint perhaps, but the powers that be can get it done and do so in a reasonable fashion).
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on September 11, 2013, 10:59:22 PM
My understanding is that the state of Texas threw a hissy fit last time they raised Barnes' salary and with Buzz already making more $$ it would seem like they wouldn't want to pay more for a coach.
I'm in Texas. That hissy fit was very exaggerated.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on September 11, 2013, 11:23:42 PM
Could we not make the same argument for Crean? Went to a blue blood. IF Williams left for Texas he is from there?
The whole stepping stone thing is overblown. Yes, if a blue blood comes calling any coach can be poached, as Williams proved leaving Kansas to North Carolina.
And one more thing: when Roy Williams was hired he was, gasp, an ASSISTANT!
I'm not sure where anyone with a straight face would say Marquette is a blue blood so Crean leaving from a non-blue blood to a blue blood doesn't apply. Same as if Buzz left. I think in most people's opinions there are probably 6 or 7 blue bloods and maybe another 5 or so that are damn close (Arizona, Michigan State, UCONN, etc).
Williams was an assistant from a blue blood going to a blue blood. Anything can happen. If MU loses Buzz, they'll hire another coach who hopefully will do a solid job.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 12, 2013, 01:03:48 AM
I'm not sure where anyone with a straight face would say Marquette is a blue blood so Crean leaving from a non-blue blood to a blue blood doesn't apply. Same as if Buzz left. I think in most people's opinions there are probably 6 or 7 blue bloods and maybe another 5 or so that are damn close (Arizona, Michigan State, UCONN, etc).
Williams was an assistant from a blue blood going to a blue blood. Anything can happen. If MU loses Buzz, they'll hire another coach who hopefully will do a solid job.
Chicos,
Somehow you missed my point in all of this. I don't recall stating Marquette is a blue blood. I was just showing the "stepping stone" talk is a bit much because based on their arguments (coaches leaving for another job, hiring up and coming assistants) Kansas has twice showed they are a "stepping stone" even though we know this is not true.
Quote from: We R Final Four on September 11, 2013, 01:20:58 PM
1. Hire a young assistant coach to be head coach. This is his first high D1 HC job.
2. Coach has success at first high D1 job.
3. Coach leaves for other job with more pay.
4. D1 school left w/o coach hires hot assistant coach.
This is the recipe of a stepping stone job.
Oregon Football has a similar recipe and it sure as hell looks like it is working for them
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on September 12, 2013, 08:40:25 AM
Oregon Football has a similar recipe and it sure as hell looks like it is working for them
Thats internal promotion and grooming future head coaches, not going out and grabbing a hot new assistant. Chip Kelly was similar to Buzz when he took over for Belloti, and Helfrich had been with the program 4 years. Its not like they went and grabbed a high riser assistant from Kansas or something. If Buzz left and Chew was the new HC, then that would be more like the Oregon model.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 12, 2013, 09:23:12 AM
Thats internal promotion and grooming future head coaches, not going out and grabbing a hot new assistant. Chip Kelly was similar to Buzz when he took over for Belloti, and Helfrich had been with the program 4 years. Its not like they went and grabbed a high riser assistant from Kansas or something. If Buzz left and Chew was the new HC, then that would be more like the Oregon model.
And Chip Kelly was hired specifically to be Belotti's successor. Really an incredible story. From offensive coordinator at New Hampshire in 2006 to NFL head coach today.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 12, 2013, 09:23:12 AM
Thats internal promotion and grooming future head coaches, not going out and grabbing a hot new assistant. Chip Kelly was similar to Buzz when he took over for Belloti, and Helfrich had been with the program 4 years. Its not like they went and grabbed a high riser assistant from Kansas or something. If Buzz left and Chew was the new HC, then that would be more like the Oregon model.
Whenever the Buzz leaving posts start, this is what pops up in the back of my mind.
I think Texas's colors are the problem.
No one wins the NCAA championship wearing "poo" as their main jersey color.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on September 12, 2013, 06:58:46 AM
Chicos,
Somehow you missed my point in all of this. I don't recall stating Marquette is a blue blood. I was just showing the "stepping stone" talk is a bit much because based on their arguments (coaches leaving for another job, hiring up and coming assistants) Kansas has twice showed they are a "stepping stone" even though we know this is not true.
Understood. I think there are stepping stones and then there are understood moves. That's where I was going. You and I both agree Kansas isn't a stepping stone despite coaches leaving there. I believe 99% of fans agree with this. Schools like MU, etc that lose coaches, are going to be viewed in a different light. It may be unfair, but that is the perception.
Until we get coaches to routinely spend a decade or more in this job, it's going to happen. Unfortunately we have only had a few meet that criteria.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 12, 2013, 05:36:42 PM
Until we get coaches to routinely spend a decade or more in this job, it's going to happen. Unfortunately we have only had a few meet that criteria.
Well, it's happened once in the last 70 years and not at all in the last 35 so the chances it becomes routine are probably remote.
I've heard that it isn't the salary that keeps Buzz from leaving, but that schools are reluctant to match MU's hoops budget. Obviously, complete conjecture on my part, but I've heard he's asked for the same budget that he has at MU and these BCS Schools say "No".
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 12, 2013, 05:36:42 PM
Until we get coaches to routinely spend a decade or more in this job, it's going to happen. Unfortunately we have only had a few meet that criteria.
I guess I just disagree with your criteria. We had a coach stay for years after making a Final Four run. Another has been around for five years and has stayed after an Elite Eight run. I don't care what the media says... that isn't stepping stone.
I think after O'Neill bolted after his first successful year... that is an example of a stepping stone move. After he left, it would have been an apt description of the program.
We have had three coaches after that, and none of them "bolted" after their first good year.
Quote from: MU82 on September 11, 2013, 12:06:22 PM
How 'bout this for going against the grain ...
If Texas stinks this season and Barnes gets fired, let's say they come after Buzz hard.
This is about as smart as wishing your girlfriend books a trip to Cancun for Spring Break in the hopes that she misses you.
Quote from: muhoops1 on September 12, 2013, 07:18:47 PM
I've heard that it isn't the salary that keeps Buzz from leaving, but that schools are reluctant to match MU's hoops budget. Obviously, complete conjecture on my part, but I've heard he's asked for the same budget that he has at MU and these BCS Schools say "No".
Absolutely a huge plus at MU is the financial support the coach gets, including the relative ease of travel. Flying around, car rentals, etc. all blow.
If you're able to have someone set up a jet for you and when you hop off there's a rental car running several hundred yards away... that's big. Whether you have a family or not. Huge plus.
Quote from: BallBoy on September 12, 2013, 09:25:02 PM
This is about as smart as wishing your girlfriend books a trip to Cancun for Spring Break in the hopes that she misses you.
I guess you know my girlfriend!
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Everybody knows my girlfriend ... ba dum bum!)
Quote from: BallBoy on September 12, 2013, 09:25:02 PM
This is about as smart as wishing your girlfriend books a trip to Cancun for Spring Break in the hopes that she misses you.
That's a hilarious analogy. Well played.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 12, 2013, 12:32:00 AM
I'm in Texas. That hissy fit was very exaggerated.
noted, thanks for ruining the angle that's brought me security on this subject! haha
Quote from: muhoops1 on September 12, 2013, 07:18:47 PM
I've heard that it isn't the salary that keeps Buzz from leaving, but that schools are reluctant to match MU's hoops budget. Obviously, complete conjecture on my part, but I've heard he's asked for the same budget that he has at MU and these BCS Schools say "No".
So you are saying he wanted to leave (more than once), but other schools refused his demands.
I don't believe it - show me the evidence. And don't play the SMU card cuz that bird won't fly.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 12, 2013, 12:32:00 AM
I'm in Texas. That hissy fit was very exaggerated.
noted, thanks for ruining the angle that's brought me security on this subject! haha
Quote from: brandx on September 12, 2013, 10:56:31 PM
So you are saying he wanted to leave (more than once), but other schools refused his demands.
I don't believe it - show me the evidence. And don't play the SMU card cuz that bird won't fly.
I don't think the guy said that. Big difference between chatting about opportunities and "wanting to leave (more than once)"...
"I appreciate the call, I'm not going to hang up on you right away. Go ahead and tell me a little bit about the job. Especially tell me about the travel perqs - I'm used to ___, ___ and ___... is that something you guys do or would do?"
No big deal.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 12, 2013, 11:29:40 PM
I don't think the guy said that. Big difference between chatting about opportunities and "wanting to leave (more than once)"...
"I appreciate the call, I'm not going to hang up on you right away. Go ahead and tell me a little bit about the job. Especially tell me about the travel perqs - I'm used to ___, ___ and ___... is that something you guys do or would do?"
No big deal.
I read it a little different than you. You may be right - maybe I took it wrong.
Quote from: MUWarrior11 on September 11, 2013, 12:14:31 PM
Personally, I don't need any closure. The only people that need closure are the ones that perpetually speculate and analyze. Just enjoy what we got now...No need to try let yourself get scared every year that Texas doesn't perform. If it eventually happens, then it happens...but I'm not going to worry about it now.
We've got a great coach. A great team. And we are in the middle of a great era of MUBB. Just enjoy it!
A few years ago (the one where Lazar essentially played center), I was fortunate enough to watch a summer open gym session. At the time, I thought, I am not sure how good these guys are going to be, but they are going to be fun to watch! I take the same attitude with Buzz. Not sure how long he will be here, but I am going to enjoy watching him while he's here.
Quote from: pbiflyer on September 13, 2013, 01:52:04 PM
A few years ago (the one where Lazar essentially played center), I was fortunate enough to watch a summer open gym session. At the time, I thought, I am not sure how good these guys are going to be, but they are going to be fun to watch! I take the same attitude with Buzz. Not sure how long he will be here, but I am going to enjoy watching him while he's here.
Indeed, we all need to remember that everything around us is only temporary and always changing. You can never set foot in the same river twice. It is always changing. Let's appreciate and enjoy the moments that we have, including Buzz. Let's fully appreciate the now, for it will not be forever, as we all know.
Just to get everyone riled up some more...
Deloss Dodds is going to retire and wants to have a successor in place by January so they can make potential changes in football, basketball and baseball.
http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1549065
Just saw on Twitter that according to UT spokesman Nick Voinis, that story from Orangebloods is "absolutely not true." Dodds isn't going anywhere as far as Texas knows.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 13, 2013, 03:08:24 PM
Just saw on Twitter that according to UT spokesman Nick Voinis, that story from Orangebloods is "absolutely not true." Dodds isn't going anywhere as far as Texas knows.
Or they're not saying. Orangebloods is usually pretty good about this stuff.
Crean was posturin' to leave as soon as he took the MU gig.
Quote from: GOO on September 13, 2013, 02:15:54 PM
Indeed, we all need to remember that everything around us is only temporary and always changing. You can never set foot in the same river twice. It is always changing. Let's appreciate and enjoy the moments that we have, including Buzz. Let's fully appreciate the now, for it will not be forever, as we all know.
All of us are "day-to-day"
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 13, 2013, 03:37:49 PM
Crean was posturin' to leave as soon as he took the MU gig.
So was Deane, K.O., etc
Did Buzz ever introduce tha radio dude at the Pabst Theater?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 13, 2013, 03:45:00 PM
So was Deane, K.O., etc
Maybe it is just a lily pad job kinda like Billy Packer said, hey?
Quote from: Terror Skink on September 13, 2013, 03:14:33 PMOr they're not saying. Orangebloods is usually pretty good about this stuff.
They are saying. Voinis is the associate AD and in charge of communications for the UT sports department. Maybe he's wrong, but he is someone who should know and would be in charge of commenting on something like this. If he's saying "absolutely not true" it's at least worth acknowledging.
Could Voinis be playing coy? Sure. He is viewed by some as Dodds' likely successor.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 13, 2013, 03:50:40 PM
Did Buzz ever introduce tha radio dude at the Pabst Theater?
no-jay mohr cancelled due to 'scheduling conflicts'--buzz still comes on his show tho.
I do not think Buzz goes anywhere next year including Texas. I think if Buzz does leave he takes a job in the best basketball conference. There will likely be several ACC job opening up in the next three years. Duke and Syracuse have coaches who could very well retire in the nest three years, but Syracuse job is already promised to an assistant and I suspect Dukie job will go to a former Duke player. Boston Co., Clemson, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech and Wake Forest based on the current coaches record's will probably be looking for new coaches in the next three years. I could see the North Carolina job opening up given that Roy Williams occasionally has dizzy spells on sidelines.
Mark Turgeon, former Roy Williams assistant, is often mentioned as Roy Williams replacement. Hubert Davis is another. Steve Robinson...or about the time Roy retires, some guy named Brad Stevens.
I'm always amazed here how so many feel that the Texas job is one of the Holy Grails of college basketball jobs that Buzz would die for. Basketball is secondary there and always has been. There is no long line of great coaches there. Their history is to hire semi-successful mid-level coaches.
Buzz will eventually be in line for one of the true blueblood jobs (IMO), and so may leave, but it will be a few more years at least before this occurs unless there is an unexpected opening.
At best, Texas is a lateral move - more likely a step down.
Quote from: brandx on September 14, 2013, 11:06:29 AM
I'm always amazed here how so many feel that the Texas job is one of the Holy Grails of college basketball jobs that Buzz would die for. Basketball is secondary there and always has been. There is no long line of great coaches there. Their history is to hire semi-successful mid-level coaches.
Buzz will eventually be in line for one of the true blueblood jobs (IMO), and so may leave, but it will be a few more years at least before this occurs unless there is an unexpected opening.
At best, Texas is a lateral move - more likely a step down.
I agree, one of the articles above, essentially said just as much. They argued the only reason Buzz is in the conversation is that he grew up here.
Question is did he ever even consider himself a UT fan?
Quote from: brandx on September 14, 2013, 11:06:29 AM
I'm always amazed here how so many feel that the Texas job is one of the Holy Grails of college basketball jobs that Buzz would die for. Basketball is secondary there and always has been. There is no long line of great coaches there. Their history is to hire semi-successful mid-level coaches.
Buzz will eventually be in line for one of the true blueblood jobs (IMO), and so may leave, but it will be a few more years at least before this occurs unless there is an unexpected opening.
At best, Texas is a lateral move - more likely a step down.
Step down....no. Lateral move...unlikely.
They have 3 Final Fours. Marquette has 3 Final Fours
30 NCAA appearances...Marquette has 31
Elite 8's, Texas has 7....Marquette has 7
NCAA titles 0, MU has 1
Conference titles....no comparison. 25 for Texas, 3 for MU. If you look at years that MU was in a conference to compare apples to apples, Texas has 6, MU 3.
Better facilities, more talent in the state, secure conference and if the conference breaks up Texas is the number one option for every conference in the nation, largest athletic budget in NCAA, their own television network that by next year will have distribution with 90% of distributors (ESPN is mandating it...take Longhorn Network or you don't get ESPN), etc, etc.
It's not that it is a blueblood, it is what you can do there. They are already a good program. The obstacles there are smaller than other places. No doubt it is a football school....so is Florida, yet they won two national titles in basketball and have a great program. Ohio State is another. Michigan is another.
Throw in a guy from Texas, it would be appealing.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 14, 2013, 11:36:19 AM
Step down....no. Lateral move...unlikely.
They have 3 Final Fours. Marquette has 3 Final Fours
30 NCAA appearances...Marquette has 31
Elite 8's, Texas has 7....Marquette has 7
NCAA titles 0, MU has 1
Conference titles....no comparison. 25 for Texas, 3 for MU. If you look at years that MU was in a conference to compare apples to apples, Texas has 6, MU 3.
Better facilities, more talent in the state, secure conference and if the conference breaks up Texas is the number one option for every conference in the nation, largest athletic budget in NCAA, their own television network that by next year will have distribution with 90% of distributors (ESPN is mandating it...take Longhorn Network or you don't get ESPN), etc, etc.
It's not that it is a blueblood, it is what you can do there. They are already a good program. The obstacles there are smaller than other places. No doubt it is a football school....so is Florida, yet they won two national titles in basketball and have a great program. Ohio State is another. Michigan is another.
Throw in a guy from Texas, it would be appealing.
Obviously, conference titles are no comparison - Marquette was an Independent for decades.
But Texas is a big state. Was Buzz a TU fan? Should we assume that Shaka Smart is dying to coach UW because he is a Wisco native? Could be, but we have no indication of such. Buzz has never said that Texas is his dream job. Or would it be A&M or Texas Tech or Houston, etc.?
Quote from: brandx on September 14, 2013, 12:32:15 PM
Obviously, conference titles are no comparison - Marquette was an Independent for decades.
But Texas is a big state. Was Buzz a TU fan? Should we assume that Shaka Smart is dying to coach UW because he is a Wisco native? Could be, but we have no indication of such. Buzz has never said that Texas is his dream job. Or would it be A&M or Texas Tech or Houston, etc.?
Some of his media..ahem..."mouthpieces" have suggested he would strongly listen and I see no reason why he wouldn't.
Parrish, Goodman, Glockner...all said the same thing.
Wisconsin has a head coach. Maybe when Bo Ryan retires Smart comes to UW.
I have no idea if Buzz is a UT fan, he has painted his garage like Colorado State so maybe that's his dream job. ;)
I just think people here are a bit blue\gold colored glasses if they fail to see how big the UT job is. Not only the potential, but what they have done, how big the state is, how big the university is, the resources (facilities, television, etc) are second to none. The only downside, it's a football school....but that has worked out fine for many other "football" schools that also excel in hoops. We'll just have to wait and see, but I really don't see how anyone can legitimately argue Texas is a step down.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 14, 2013, 12:38:52 PM
Some of his media..ahem..."mouthpieces" have suggested he would strongly listen and I see no reason why he wouldn't.
Parrish, Goodman, Glockner...all said the same thing.
Wisconsin has a head coach. Maybe when Bo Ryan retires Smart comes to UW.
I have no idea if Buzz is a UT fan, he has painted his garage like Colorado State so maybe that's his dream job. ;)
I just think people here are a bit blue\gold colored glasses if they fail to see how big the UT job is. Not only the potential, but what they have done, how big the state is, how big the university is, the resources (facilities, television, etc) are second to none. The only downside, it's a football school....but that has worked out fine for many other "football" schools that also excel in hoops. We'll just have to wait and see, but I really don't see how anyone can legitimately argue Texas is a step down.
I'm not arguing your points. I just think an awful lot of people here assume Buzz would automatically go if the Texas job opens up.
Maybe he would, but I am certainly not convinced
Quote from: brandx on September 14, 2013, 12:47:28 PM
I'm not arguing your points. I just think an awful lot of people here assume Buzz would automatically go if the Texas job opens up.
Maybe he would, but I am certainly not convinced
For a liberal you're making some good common sense here.
The fact is people are individuals who make decisions for a myriad of reasons. There isn't a checklist that lists two programs.. "OK, which one has the most checks? Oh, it's Texas, that means I'd go to Texas"...
Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. There are pluses and minuses and some of them are hugely subjective and even emotional.
I know Chicos places GREAT value on young journalists who have a job with employers that receive a lot of public attention, but much of what they write is... loose.
I can tell y'all that a lot of negative recruitin', concernin' Buzz goin' to Texas, was tossed at a highly regarded local high school talent recently. In this instance, it was not gonna make a difference. But, I can see where it, potentially, could with others.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 14, 2013, 01:22:25 PM
For a liberal you're making some good common sense here.
The fact is people are individuals who make decisions for a myriad of reasons. There isn't a checklist that lists two programs.. "OK, which one has the most checks? Oh, it's Texas, that means I'd go to Texas"...
Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. There are pluses and minuses and some of them are hugely subjective and even emotional.
I know Chicos places GREAT value on young journalists who have a job with employers that receive a lot of public attention, but much of what they write is... loose.
I thought us liberals always used good common sense ;)
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 14, 2013, 01:28:34 PM
I can tell y'all that a lot of negative recruitin', concernin' Buzz goin' to Texas, was tossed at a highly regarded local high school talent recently. In this instance, it was not gonna make a difference. But, I can see where it, potentially, could with others.
Find this totally believeable and do wish Buzz would make a public statement when jobs open up that he's not going anywhere, and is here for the long haul. It concerns me that he hasn't really made such comments any of the past few years his name was in speculation.
Care to share which school was doing the negative recruiting?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 14, 2013, 12:38:52 PM
Some of his media..ahem..."mouthpieces" have suggested he would strongly listen and I see no reason why he wouldn't.
Parrish, Goodman, Glockner...all said the same thing.
Wisconsin has a head coach. Maybe when Bo Ryan retires Smart comes to UW.
I have no idea if Buzz is a UT fan, he has painted his garage like Colorado State so maybe that's his dream job. ;)
I just think people here are a bit blue\gold colored glasses if they fail to see how big the UT job is. Not only the potential, but what they have done, how big the state is, how big the university is, the resources (facilities, television, etc) are second to none. The only downside, it's a football school....but that has worked out fine for many other "football" schools that also excel in hoops. We'll just have to wait and see, but I really don't see how anyone can legitimately argue Texas is a step down.
Agree with all of your analysis on the Texas job measured against MU. Definitely gotta be tempting for Buzz...yet I feel if he makes a strong statement to say he's at MU for the long haul...and with the success he's had here, and what appears to be a really deep roster of talented players now, and future recruits....that soon MU will become a "blue blood" of sorts, due to the success Buzz has had here...and soon the recruiting trail won't be quite so difficult..but instead kids will really want to come to MU to play for Buzz...
Didn't ask. The implication was several.
They negative-recruited like that against Crean for years. Ultimately, they were right. Texas is the big one. If Texas offers and Buzz stays, then he will be here for a long time. Or until Alford/Crean/Izzo leave.
Quote from: tower912 on September 14, 2013, 02:54:01 PM
The negative-recruited like that against Crean for years. Ultimately, they were right. Texas is the big one. If Texas offers and Buzz stays, then he will be here for a long time. Or until Alford/Crean/Izzo leave.
Agree, at least we'll finally find out. Hoping Buzz seeing them fire the most successful Texas basketball coach EVER (by far) after just 2 bad years will make him think twice.
Buzz to Michigan St? If he turns down UT, it's not going to be MSU later.
Quote from: tower912 on September 14, 2013, 02:54:01 PM
They negative-recruited like that against Crean for years. Ultimately, they were right. Texas is the big one. If Texas offers and Buzz stays, then he will be here for a long time. Or until Alford/Crean/Izzo leave.
Exactly ... which was the point of my original post!
Quote from: brandx on September 14, 2013, 12:47:28 PM
I'm not arguing your points. I just think an awful lot of people here assume Buzz would automatically go if the Texas job opens up.
Maybe he would, but I am certainly not convinced
No idea if he'll go, but I think we need to accept the fact Texas isn't a step down. That's silly talk.
I don't know about Barnes, but Mack Brown ain't gonna make it to Monday.
Quote from: MUDish on September 14, 2013, 10:21:33 PM
I don't know about Barnes, but Mack Brown ain't gonna make it to Monday.
That's not a good thing either. The next Texas football coach will make a lot. The more the football coach makes, the more the basketball coach can make. Schools don't like paying basketball coaches more than football coaches, but if you raise the ceiling on the football coach, that allows more room for the hoops guy.
Not to pile onto the Texas is going to suck train but their starting PG Javon Felix had hip surgery and is out "indefinitely." Things keep getting worse for Barnes
Why Buzz isn't going anywhere:
1) He's built success at Marquette and we're a contender for all the marbles, if not this year in the not too distant future.
2) Texas is a major near-term rebuild job with an impatient alumni base who expect short-term success. He's already faced that once and succeeded. Why would he do it again?
3) Austin's summers are worse than Milwaukee's winters. You can always put another layer on, but there's only so much you can take off!
4) Who would want to live in Austin after living in Milwaukee? You can find other Austins but Milwaukee is a classic all its own! And since the end of Lavernge and Shirley, we don't talk funny!
5) Buzz seems to be a man of faith and reason. His values are Marquette values and I do think he's happy here. I think his family is respected and loved in our community.
6) We eat our cattle. We don't harvest their horns and hang 'em somewhere.
7) Who would want to raise children that had never seen the frozen tundra and snow in Wisconsin!
8) We have the best basketball fans in the country! He'll never be second fiddle to a football coach at Marquette!~
Seriously, I am tired of the naysayers. You're just waiting for a self-fulfilling prophesy that you can shove down our throats and tell us how right you are. I really hope he doesn't leave because he is starting something special. I also do believe Marquette's values suit Buzz well. And, he's well respected and well compensated in Wisconsin.
He's almost got the fingers right....needs to use his thumb for the horns
(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0fNxgB1fJq112/610x.jpg)
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 11, 2013, 12:18:24 AM
Seriously, I am tired of the naysayers. You're just waiting for a self-fulfilling prophesy that you can shove down our throats and tell us how right you are. I really hope he doesn't leave because he is starting something special. I also do believe Marquette's values suit Buzz well. And, he's well respected and well compensated in Wisconsin.
First, I loved you list.
Second, I don't think you will find more than a handful of people on here who would say they think Buzz is leaving. And I know you wouldn't find anybody who wants Buzz to leave.
Third, I'll take credit for bringing up a lot of this stuff. To be honest, I think I'm more interested than most because I have the added benefit of living in Texas. I hate the Longhorns with my entire heart and soul (almost as much as Bucky and ND) and it would kill me to see Buzz in burnt orange.
Fourth, I know there are many who are tired of the rumors and just want to pretend its not happening. Don't take my bringing it up as "the sky is falling" or trying to get my opinion in before Buzz leaves so I can say how I was the smartest Chicken Little in the Hiroshima coop. I just prefer to discuss the reality of the situation. Barnes is being set up for a Depaul of a year, Buzz has been linked to the Texas job for years, and will likely interview for the job should Barnes be fired.
Personally, I agree with you that he will stay.
Also, I know some of you would rather just not hear anymore of this. If this makes it up to you at all, I promise you, should Buzz leave for Texas, I will verbally beotchslap the first moron to say "I told you so."
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 11, 2013, 01:18:32 AM
Also, I know some of you would rather just not hear anymore of this. If this makes it up to you at all, I promise you, should Buzz leave for Texas, I will verbally beotchslap the first moron to say "I told you so."
I think we all know who that would be.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 11, 2013, 12:39:51 AM
He's almost got the fingers right....needs to use his thumb for the horns
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I didn't even need to look who posted this when I saw this photo.
I don't get the worry....Buzz has said he will stay as long as MU will have him. Now that the president of the university who dared to be a president of a university is leaving, there is even more reason for him to stay.
MU wants him, end of story. You just have to trust the man.
There are certainly people here that believe he will leave, who knows. I'm sure those folks will do an "I told you so", but it is out of our control. He's got a good thing going. If he leaves, MU will get another good coach.
I like your list, but find a lot of it flawed as well. Just let it all play out. MU is a fine university, Milwaukee a wonderful town. Austin is also a wonderful town and UT a fine university. Buzz is a very good coach, they would be silly not to interview him and gauge his interest.
At the risk of being Chicken Little, I think if UT calls, Buzz goes.
I have no insider information. Just a hunch.
I hope I'm wrong. I hope Buzz is at MU for a long time.
Chico's
I believe Buzz takes UT job if offered and would not blame him. Hope I am wrong and I would not say "I told you so". If he left it would be for family and financial reasons first and how can you blame someone? There just seems to be too much chatter for no basis to rumors.
Should have this guy call him and put all speculation to rest.
http://deadspin.com/meet-the-prankster-who-offered-dungy-the-usc-job-hes-1443167771
Quote from: Goose on October 11, 2013, 09:40:47 AM
Chico's
I believe Buzz takes UT job if offered and would not blame him. Hope I am wrong and I would not say "I told you so". If he left it would be for family and financial reasons first and how can you blame someone? There just seems to be too much chatter for no basis to rumors.
Could be the case. There are just a few posters here that have perpetual viagra moments for me and would like to think that if he goes that I will be the one saying I told you so. Not the case at all, but these guys as has been shown time and time again rarely see the whole picture, but cherry pick comments. Plenty of people believe he would go, you included. I think it would be a great opportunity and wouldn't blame him for a second if he goes, but certainly hope he stays. Texas is a great job, tons of talent, great university, solid conference, their own TV channel, no state income tax, and it's home. Tough to say no. We'll see what happens, but I do anticipate Barnes may have a tough time surviving this year. Then again, maybe they surprise all since the expectations are so darn low he does a decent job and stays.
If he goes, MU will hire another solid coach, and somehow I'll be partially to blame for him leaving by the same 5 or 6 asshats. LOL.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on October 11, 2013, 09:36:45 AM
At the risk of being Chicken Little, I think if UT calls, Buzz goes.
I have no insider information. Just a hunch.
I hope I'm wrong. I hope Buzz is at MU for a long time.
A lot would depend on whether Buzz wants to be a program re builder and where he thinks MU is headed. I am sure Buzz has talked to Crean a lot. Crean had to go through 2 really horrible seasons and one more bad season, before he got Indiana back to respectability and I do not care who you are losing is hard on coaches. Texas is not as bad as Indiana was, but as far as winning I suspect the next two years after this year the coach at MU is going to win more games than the coach at Texas. I have said before as long as Buzz feels he can recruit at MU he going to stay at MU. The key to Buzz turning down Texas is Buzz having a very good recruiting year this year. Right now we have two recruits, one of which did not do himself any favors. I think Buzz is likely to leave, if he strikes out on Hill, Shrayok(sp) & Miller. I am not sure signing one of those is enough as there are some very good recruiting classes in the Big East. Recruiting is a good indication of where you are going to finish in the conference in the future and if Buzz sees MU falling significantly down the pecking order in the Big East he be foolish to stay. Of course last year was a very good recruiting year and if Buzz thought Stone was coming to MU he could ignore a flame out in this years recruiting class.
Quote from: Goose on October 11, 2013, 09:40:47 AM
Chico's
I believe Buzz takes UT job if offered and would not blame him. Hope I am wrong and I would not say "I told you so". If he left it would be for family and financial reasons first and how can you blame someone? There just seems to be too much chatter for no basis to rumors.
To me "family and financial" would be reasons he stays. It is not easy or fun to uproot young kids from a place where they basically lived most of their life. I am not sure the money would be significantly more either.
Quote from: Goose on October 11, 2013, 09:40:47 AM
Chico's
I believe Buzz takes UT job if offered and would not blame him. Hope I am wrong and I would not say "I told you so". If he left it would be for family and financial reasons first and how can you blame someone? There just seems to be too much chatter for no basis to rumors.
Joe Girardi was definitely going to manage the Cubs. There is no way he is going to turn down his hometown and they will pay him.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 11, 2013, 08:58:11 AM
I don't get the worry....Buzz has said he will stay as long as MU will have him. Now that the president of the university who dared to be a president of a university is leaving, there is even more reason for him to stay.
MU wants him, end of story. You just have to trust the man.
There are certainly people here that believe he will leave, who knows. I'm sure those folks will do an "I told you so", but it is out of our control. He's got a good thing going. If he leaves, MU will get another good coach.
I like your list, but find a lot of it flawed as well. Just let it all play out. MU is a fine university, Milwaukee a wonderful town. Austin is also a wonderful town and UT a fine university. Buzz is a very good coach, they would be silly not to interview him and gauge his interest.
Do you trust Buzz?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 11, 2013, 08:58:11 AM
I don't get the worry....Buzz has said he will stay as long as MU will have him. Now that the president of the university who dared to be a president of a university is leaving, there is even more reason for him to stay.
MU wants him, end of story. You just have to trust the man.
There are certainly people here that believe he will leave, who knows. I'm sure those folks will do an "I told you so", but it is out of our control. He's got a good thing going. If he leaves, MU will get another good coach.
I like your list, but find a lot of it flawed as well. Just let it all play out. MU is a fine university, Milwaukee a wonderful town. Austin is also a wonderful town and UT a fine university. Buzz is a very good coach, they would be silly not to interview him and gauge his interest.
As utterly sick most of us are of you repeating that line
ad nauseum, I am somewhat entertained by the fact that you keep saying it ironically, despite the real irony being that it may very well be true.
Quote from: Benny B on October 11, 2013, 11:00:08 AM
As utterly sick most of us are of you repeating that line ad nauseum, I am somewhat entertained by the fact that you keep saying it ironically, despite the real irony being that it may very well be true.
Why does it bother you? Did he say it or not? We've had 1000's of pages of outrage, angst, anger, pettiness, etc about other coaches not holding true to their word in various sports. Shouldn't we be celebrating Buzz saying he will stay as long as MU will have him? I find it quite refreshing and we should trumpet it often. Maybe part of our signature.
Quote from: LAZER on October 11, 2013, 10:51:31 AM
Do you trust Buzz?
That's a loaded question. Do you trust him? Trust him to do what? Trust him to do what is right for him and his family? Yes. He's proven that already at UNO and MU. Right now, we are the beneficiary, UNO wasn't. Great for us. Some day the shoe may be on another foot. Trust him to stay at MU? I hope he does, but if he leaves he can always fall back on doing right by his family answer instead of doing right by his employer...people will buy that one trumps another.
I believe he meant what he said when he said it, but I also believe it is a canned answer and coach speak that is stated all the time by coaches in every profession. "I'm happy to be at __________" "No one has contacted me from _______" "I plan on being at ________ for as long as they will have me".
I hope what he said is true. It would not surprise me (nor would I blame him) if it becomes a situation where it isn't true in the future.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 11, 2013, 12:58:06 PM
Why does it bother you? Did he say it or not? We've had 1000's of pages of outrage, angst, anger, pettiness, etc about other coaches not holding true to their word in various sports. Shouldn't we be celebrating Buzz saying he will stay as long as MU will have him? I find it quite refreshing and we should trumpet it often. Maybe part of our signature.
Does Chicos know you're using his computer?
Quote from: Benny B on October 11, 2013, 01:11:35 PM
Does Chicos know you're using his computer?
Let me check....yes.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 11, 2013, 04:00:58 PM
Let me check....yes.
Welcome to the forum, Chicos Jr. What time does dad get home?
Quote from: Benny B on October 11, 2013, 04:05:23 PM
Welcome to the forum, Chicos Jr. What time does dad get home?
He's working on his bizarre and ultra strict rules right now, not sure when he will get home. He was also creating a short form book called "Multiple: The beginner's guide to two or more things". He asked my little sister if she could draw with instructions to make them real simple, so a 5 year old could understand.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 11, 2013, 06:06:10 PM
He's working on his bizarre and ultra strict rules right now, not sure when he will get home. He was also creating a short form book called "Multiple: The beginner's guide to two or more things". He asked my little sister if she could draw with instructions to make them real simple, so a 5 year old could understand.
Please explain to him that when you say the same thing happened "multiple times" and "over and over again" you are using multiple to mean more than twice or you are contradicting yourself. Be gentle, talk slowly. I know he's stubborn, impossible even, but remember he's your Dad and he loves you.
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Quote from: MU82 on September 12, 2013, 09:37:50 PM
(Everybody knows my girlfriend ... ba dum bum!)
But she says he's just a friend...
Because it showed up today on CBS
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24156318/coaching-dominoes-who-could-get-potential-job-openings
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 29, 2013, 07:08:55 PM
Because it showed up today on CBS
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24156318/coaching-dominoes-who-could-get-potential-job-openings
*Yawn*
I hope Tejas and Wisky suck it
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 11, 2013, 01:18:32 AM
First, I loved you list.
Second, I don't think you will find more than a handful of people on here who would say they think Buzz is leaving. And I know you wouldn't find anybody who wants Buzz to leave.
Third, I'll take credit for bringing up a lot of this stuff. To be honest, I think I'm more interested than most because I have the added benefit of living in Texas. I hate the Longhorns with my entire heart and soul (almost as much as Bucky and ND) and it would kill me to see Buzz in burnt orange.
Fourth, I know there are many who are tired of the rumors and just want to pretend its not happening. Don't take my bringing it up as "the sky is falling" or trying to get my opinion in before Buzz leaves so I can say how I was the smartest Chicken Little in the Hiroshima coop. I just prefer to discuss the reality of the situation. Barnes is being set up for a Depaul of a year, Buzz has been linked to the Texas job for years, and will likely interview for the job should Barnes be fired.
Personally, I agree with you that he will stay.
Also, I know some of you would rather just not hear anymore of this. If this makes it up to you at all, I promise you, should Buzz leave for Texas, I will verbally beotchslap the first moron to say "I told you so."
Buzz knows TU sucks. He spent time in CS.
Gotta craving for C&J. Jerkey stop in Centerville too.
Quote from: real chili 83 on October 29, 2013, 08:59:24 PM
Buzz knows UT sucks. He spent time in CS.
Gotta craving for C&J. Jerkey stop in Centerville too.
The Air Force has critical mass there so I have spent some time in SATX. Dinner at Rudy's with Shiner Bock then combat gars and more beer at the Flying Saucer. Before going through the gate at Lackland we would hit the Whataburger in a vain attempt to take the edge off the incoming hangover. San Antonio is nice but I wouldn't want to live there.
Quote from: keefe on October 30, 2013, 01:00:26 AM
The Air Force has critical mass there so I have spent some time in SATX. Dinner at Rudy's with Shiner Bock then combat gars and more beer at the Flying Saucer. Before going through the gate at Lackland we would hit the Whataburger in a vain attempt to take the edge off the incoming hangover. San Antonio is nice but I wouldn't want to live there.
Rudy's wet brisket is tough to beat, C&J has a great sauce, heads above Rudy's.
Quote from: real chili 83 on October 30, 2013, 04:37:18 AM
Rudy's wet brisket is tough to beat, C&J has a great sauce, heads above Rudy's.
Nothing like good ol gas station by-the-pound BBQ. Creamed corn at Rudy's is amazing.
Quote from: Benny B on October 30, 2013, 06:36:01 AM
Nothing like good ol gas station by-the-pound BBQ. Creamed corn at Rudy's is amazing.
Speaking of gas station bbq, just had some at Oklahoma Joe's in KC. Pretty darned good.
I am hoping on my next trip to CS to swing through Austin and try Franklin BBQ. If his que is half as good as he talks it up on BBQ Pitmasters.....
Quote from: real chili 83 on October 30, 2013, 06:56:08 AM
Speaking of gas station bbq, just had some at Oklahoma Joe's in KC. Pretty darned good.
I am hoping on my next trip to CS to swing through Austin and try Franklin BBQ. If his que is half as good as he talks it up on BBQ Pitmasters.....
I'm kinda partial to Memphis Barbeque. Gotta have the pulled pork sandwich with the cole slaw on it. That's good eatin'.
Quote from: keefe on October 30, 2013, 01:00:26 AM
The Air Force has critical mass there so I have spent some time in SATX. Dinner at Rudy's with Shiner Bock then combat gars and more beer at the Flying Saucer. Before going through the gate at Lackland we would hit the Whataburger in a vain attempt to take the edge off the incoming hangover. San Antonio is nice but I wouldn't want to live there.
Amen to that. Spent many a year in San Antonio....nice to visit, but not living there
I've never been to KC, Tennessee, or had Texas and North Carolina BBQ so I'm going to keep it simple and say Slow's in downtown Detroit is the best BBQ I've ever had. Check it out next time you're in Hockeytown.
Although I'm traveling to Dallas next week for work so if there's a good spot there let me know.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24156318/coaching-dominoes-who-could-get-potential-job-openings
The Buzz excerpts below (nothing new, but it begins before the first jump ball):
If Rick Barnes steps down at Texas, would Marquette's Buzz Williams make the jump to the Longhorns? (USATSI) If Rick Barnes steps down at Texas, would Marquette's Buzz Williams make the jump to the Longhorns? (USATSI)
Texas
Current coach: Rick Barnes
Replacement: Buzz Williams
Skinny: This is the big one. Barnes missed the NCAA tournament last season, and hasn't gotten past the Round of 32 since 2008. Moreover, he's had some big misses on the recruiting trail – and this season doesn't look so promising. If he does step down, Williams would be the first name to pop up. He has been to five straight NCAA tournaments with Marquette and is a native of Texas.
Quote from: warriorchick on October 30, 2013, 08:37:38 AM
I'm kinda partial to Memphis Barbeque. Gotta have the pulled pork sandwich with the cole slaw on it. That's good eatin'.
Truth is you can't eat any sandwich. Read the book, Grain Brain, and you'll swear off the stuff, among other foods, forever.
Quote from: radome on October 30, 2013, 08:53:06 AM
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24156318/coaching-dominoes-who-could-get-potential-job-openings
The Buzz excerpts below (nothing new, but it begins before the first jump ball):
If Rick Barnes steps down at Texas, would Marquette's Buzz Williams make the jump to the Longhorns? (USATSI) If Rick Barnes steps down at Texas, would Marquette's Buzz Williams make the jump to the Longhorns? (USATSI)
Texas
Already posted by Chicos on 10/29 that is why topic got bumped
Current coach: Rick Barnes
Replacement: Buzz Williams
Skinny: This is the big one. Barnes missed the NCAA tournament last season, and hasn't gotten past the Round of 32 since 2008. Moreover, he's had some big misses on the recruiting trail – and this season doesn't look so promising. If he does step down, Williams would be the first name to pop up. He has been to five straight NCAA tournaments with Marquette and is a native of Texas.
Quote from: swoopem on October 30, 2013, 08:44:33 AM
I've never been to KC, Tennessee, or had Texas and North Carolina BBQ so I'm going to keep it simple and say Slow's in downtown Detroit is the best BBQ I've ever had. Check it out next time you're in Hockeytown.
Although I'm traveling to Dallas next week for work so if there's a good spot there let me know.
Definitely check out Hard 8 BBQ - funny name, serious BBQ. It's where all of the network people that come to cover the Cowboys go. It's actually located in Coppell, TX - which is 10 minutes from DFW Airport (take the North Airport Exit), follow signs for 635 East - first exit off of 635 will be Freeport Parkway - take a left on Freeport Parkway, and go about 1.5 miles. Will be on your right at intersection of Bethel Road and Freeport Parkway.
You won't be disappointed, but you will leave smelling like BBQ...it's a great experience...amazing BBQ.
Quote from: Ners on October 30, 2013, 10:19:24 AM
Definitely check out Hard 8 BBQ - funny name, serious BBQ. It's where all of the network people that come to cover the Cowboys go. It's actually located in Coppell, TX - which is 10 minutes from DFW Airport (take the North Airport Exit), follow signs for 635 East - first exit off of 635 will be Freeport Parkway - take a left on Freeport Parkway, and go about 1.5 miles. Will be on your right at intersection of Bethel Road and Freeport Parkway.
You won't be disappointed, but you will leave smelling like BBQ...it's a great experience...amazing BBQ.
Thanks dude
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 30, 2013, 10:00:06 AM
Truth is you can't eat any sandwich. Read the book, Grain Brain, and you'll swear off the stuff, among other foods, forever.
And that is exactly the reason I won't read it.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 30, 2013, 10:00:06 AM
Truth is you can't eat any sandwich. Read the book, Grain Brain, and you'll swear off the stuff, among other foods, forever.
You gone Paleo too?
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You should be encouraging people to eat as much bread as possible given how much inflammatory diets destroy people's teeth.
Wheat and sugar will kill you in so many different ways. And, you'll be miserable along the way.
Quote from: warrior07 on October 30, 2013, 11:19:53 AM
You gone Paleo too?
marksdailyapple.com
You should be encouraging people to eat as much bread as possible given how much inflammatory diets destroy people's teeth.
No alcohol for Paleo....I got issues with that
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 30, 2013, 10:00:06 AM
Truth is you can't eat any sandwich. Read the book, Grain Brain, and you'll swear off the stuff, among other foods, forever.
Everybody dies. Eat a steak, have a cigar, chase it with a microbrew. Die happier.
Quote from: tower912 on October 30, 2013, 06:33:25 PM
Everybody dies. Eat a steak, have a cigar, chase it with a microbrew. Die happier.
+1
It's the excess that kills
Quote from: warriorchick on October 30, 2013, 08:37:38 AM
I'm kinda partial to Memphis Barbeque. Gotta have the pulled pork sandwich with the cole slaw on it. That's good eatin'.
I have flown in and out of NAS Memphis over the years and now have a lot of Bros who fly for FedEx and live in Germantown. I actually prefer the 'Vouz's dry ribs. Corky's has a great sauce and I had my FedEx buds hook me up when deployed to the 'Stan; Corky's will FedEx anywhere and my buddies could ship for free so I always hosted a squadron pork feed in the land of Sharia.
Speaking of slaw on a pulled pork sandwich, I always thought that was particular to NC style. There is a hole in the wall Que place in Accokeek, MD that asked, "Yankee or Dixie?" The difference being the addition of slaw.
Quote from: Benny B on October 30, 2013, 06:36:01 AM
Nothing like good ol gas station by-the-pound BBQ. Creamed corn at Rudy's is amazing.
All of Rudy's sides are amazing. I love how you go through the serving line with a plastic Pepsi delivery tray. Any place that serves everything by the pound is serious about its offering. I recall we drank quite a few Shiners sitting outside in the 98* shade. I always brought home one of those liter bottles of sauce. I recall one time a group of us were each buying a couple bottles of sauce and the cashier, overhearing our conversation, reminded us that we couldn't take them on a plane. There are distinct advantages to being a pilot.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 30, 2013, 10:00:06 AM
Truth is you can't eat any sandwich. Read the book, Grain Brain, and you'll swear off the stuff, among other foods, forever.
Doc,
I was blown up in Diyala and Diwaniya and shot in the back in A Stan. The 100 pieces of shrapnel in me light off the metal detector like a pinball machine. I'll risk a pulled pork sandwich with a beer now and then.
So, pork between 2 lettuce leafs and a bottle of water doesn't get it done?
After driving through the panhandle recently, I can accurately make this claim: Texas sucks.
Quote from: keefe on October 30, 2013, 06:50:02 PM
All of Rudy's sides are amazing. I love how you go through the serving line with a plastic Pepsi delivery tray. Any place that serves everything by the pound is serious about its offering. I recall we drank quite a few Shiners sitting outside in the 98* shade. I always brought home one of those liter bottles of sauce. I recall one time a group of us were each buying a couple bottles of sauce and the cashier, overhearing our conversation, reminded us that we couldn't take them on a plane. There are distinct advantages to being a pilot.
TSA either missed or deliberately ignored the liter I brought home last time in SAT.
Quote from: tower912 on October 30, 2013, 06:33:25 PM
Everybody dies. Eat a steak, have a cigar, chase it with a microbrew. Die happier.
+1
What's the point of living longer if you're just going to be miserable the entire time?
Quote from: warriorchick on October 30, 2013, 09:09:36 PM
+1
What's the point of living longer if you're just going to be miserable the entire time?
I don't know...ask a vegan married guy
Quote from: warriorchick on October 30, 2013, 09:09:36 PM
+1
What's the point of living longer if you're just going to be miserable the entire time?
You can actually get by pretty happy by eating less crap and better food. And that includes lots and lots of steak and eggs.
For lots of people, the point of eating healthier hasn't been to be perfect -- there are diminishing returns -- but to get closer to overall optimal health.
Veganism is godawful, by the way.
I miss Speed Queen.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on October 30, 2013, 07:17:32 PM
After driving through the panhandle recently, I can accurately make this claim: Texas sucks.
University of? Absolutely. The state? Awesome
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 30, 2013, 10:00:06 AM
Truth is you can't eat any sandwich. Read the book, Grain Brain, and you'll swear off the stuff, among other foods, forever.
I think I like where you're going with that book, but it sounds a lot like Atkins and his diet that led to a gripper...
Thing is, it's not a diet. Rather, a way of life. Decrease the inflammation in the body and lots of chronic and auto-immune diseases disappear.
First couple of weeks without the grains and gluten are tough. Seriously, you soon don't crave the typical diet. Gotta thing outside the box. Problem is the vast majority of croakers wanna push pills down your throat. Thereby, just attending to the symptoms, but not working to eliminate the problem.
I can guarantee that those who buy in, will not only lose weight, but will also generally just be more energetic and feel better overall.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 31, 2013, 08:56:30 AM
Thing is, it's not a diet. Rather, a way of life. Decrease the inflammation in the body and lots of chronic and auto-immune diseases disappear.
First couple of weeks without the grains and gluten are tough. Seriously, you soon don't crave the typical diet. Gotta thing outside the box. Problem is the vast majority of croakers wanna push pills down your throat. Thereby, just attending to the symptoms, but not working to eliminate the problem.
I can guarantee that those who buy in, will not only lose weight, but will also generally just be more energetic and feel better overall.
Beer has gluten. I ain't doin' it.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 31, 2013, 08:56:30 AM
Thing is, it's not a diet. Rather, a way of life. Decrease the inflammation in the body and lots of chronic and auto-immune diseases disappear.
+1
Quote from: warriorchick on October 31, 2013, 08:57:50 AM
Beer has gluten. I ain't doin' it.
Somethin' wrong with wine?
Quote from: warriorchick on October 31, 2013, 08:57:50 AM
Beer has gluten. I ain't doin' it.
Have you ever tried a gluten free beer? I definitely DON'T recommend it
Quote from: TSmith34 on October 31, 2013, 09:23:50 AM
Have you ever tried a gluten free beer? I definitely DON'T recommend it
I refer to it as [air quotes] "beer".
My sister has Celiac disease, so I am actually pretty informed on the whole gluten thing. On the upside, at her recent wedding, they didn't try to fill us up on bread before the real food came out. And plenty of hard liquor at the bar.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 31, 2013, 08:56:30 AM
Thing is, it's not a diet. Rather, a way of life. Decrease the inflammation in the body and lots of chronic and auto-immune diseases disappear.
First couple of weeks without the grains and gluten are tough. Seriously, you soon don't crave the typical diet. Gotta thing outside the box. Problem is the vast majority of croakers wanna push pills down your throat. Thereby, just attending to the symptoms, but not working to eliminate the problem.
I can guarantee that those who buy in, will not only lose weight, but will also generally just be more energetic and feel better overall.
Anybody can make up some sh!# about a diet that sounds like it's good for the body and will help you lose weight... but that aside, why are Boomers so obsessed with having to live until they're 120? If you can't complete your bucket list before you're 85, just face the reality that you're not going to finish it. There isn't a diet in the world that's going make 90 the new 30.
You keep trying to extend your life expectancy, Boomers, and you're going to leave us GenXers with no choice but to go Carrousel on you.
Quote from: Benny B on October 31, 2013, 10:29:57 AM
Anybody can make up some sh!# about a diet that sounds like it's good for the body and will help you lose weight... but that aside, why are Boomers so obsessed with having to live until they're 120? If you can't complete your bucket list before you're 85, just face the reality that you're not going to finish it. There isn't a diet in the world that's going make 90 the new 30.
You keep trying to extend your life expectancy, Boomers, and you're going to leave us GenXers with no choice but to go Carrousel on you.
They want to live to 120 so they can get every last drop of Social Security ;)
Quote from: warriorchick on October 31, 2013, 09:11:33 AM
Sulfides.
And, it's not beer.
Unless you have celiac's (like your sister), you don't really "need" to go 100%. Going 80-90% is big enough. Just eliminating bread and potatoes and table sugar can be pretty helpful.
Quote from: Benny B on October 31, 2013, 10:29:57 AM
Anybody can make up some sh!# about a diet that sounds like it's good for the body and will help you lose weight... but that aside, why are Boomers so obsessed with having to live until they're 120? If you can't complete your bucket list before you're 85, just face the reality that you're not going to finish it. There isn't a diet in the world that's going make 90 the new 30.
You keep trying to extend your life expectancy, Boomers, and you're going to leave us GenXers with no choice but to go Carrousel on you.
Not sure why life expectancy has to be the number one goal, but, I'm not a Boomer. Getting rid of allergies or treating type two diabetes can be a pretty big quality of life improvement for however many years you have left, be it four or forty.
Quote from: warrior07 on October 31, 2013, 11:37:54 AM
Unless you have celiac's (like your sister), you don't really "need" to go 100%. Going 80-90% is big enough. Just eliminating bread and potatoes and table sugar can be pretty helpful.
Well, that's three of the four major food groups, isn't it? The fourth one being alcohol?
In 2 years the no gluten diet will be debunked as unhealthy. Just like all the other "revolutionary" diets that have been found in the past 50 years.
Only diet that really works, moderation!
Quote from: warrior07 on October 31, 2013, 11:40:14 AM
Not sure why life expectancy has to be the number one goal, but, I'm not a Boomer. Getting rid of allergies or treating type two diabetes can be a pretty big quality of life improvement for however many years you have left, be it four or forty.
If you have T-II diabetes, or any medical condition for that matter, that's an entirely different story. I'm talking about the average person in good health jumping into a fad diet because they have this idea that it's going to add 10 years to their life.
Quote from: warriorchick on October 31, 2013, 11:41:32 AM
Well, that's three of the four major food groups, isn't it? The fourth one being alcohol?
Just so you guys know, chick is a helluva cook.
Quote from: Benny B on October 31, 2013, 10:29:57 AM
Anybody can make up some sh!# about a diet that sounds like it's good for the body and will help you lose weight... but that aside, why are Boomers so obsessed with having to live until they're 120? If you can't complete your bucket list before you're 85, just face the reality that you're not going to finish it. There isn't a diet in the world that's going make 90 the new 30.
You keep trying to extend your life expectancy, Boomers, and you're going to leave us GenXers with no choice but to go Carrousel on you.
Trying to get a Cubs World Championship in before the ticker goes.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 30, 2013, 07:06:22 PM
So, pork between 2 lettuce leafs and a bottle of water doesn't get it done?
Uh, not likely. In Chengdu I have had fried spicy pigeon that you eat with lettuce wraps. Pretty damn good.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 31, 2013, 06:54:14 PM
Trying to get a Cubs World Championship in before the ticker goes.
We'll keep your head alive in a jar as long as we can, Doc... but methinks it would be an exercise in futility.
Quote from: Benny B on October 31, 2013, 08:12:45 PM
We'll keep your head alive in a jar as long as we can, Doc... but methinks it would be an exercise in futility.
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Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 31, 2013, 06:54:14 PM
Trying to get a Cubs World Championship in before the ticker goes.
As long as you live another, say, 200 years, I'd guesstimate that you have a 30% chance at seeing the Cubs win it all. Congrats!
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/75272/what-will-patterson-do-with-ut-coaches
Saban to Texas?
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=40374.0
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 31, 2013, 08:56:30 AM
Thing is, it's not a diet.
I think by definition - as a noun - it is.
Quote from: 4neverGotta thing outside the box.
Perv. I like bread/subs/sandwiches so 4get your diet. Can't I just buy one of those little pansy machines - one of those juicers - and get healthy by having some fruit drink once a day?
BeeJay, you need a broad to set you straight.
This arrived in my email today (I subscribe to alerts about Marquette, Buzz etc)
Rumor about Buzz and Donovan giving Peterson their interest. Whatever, thought people would want to know
http://www.hornsports.com/texas-basketball-rumors-recruiting-updates
And Bill Self, for whatever little any of this garbage is worth.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 15, 2013, 08:36:32 PM
This arrived in my email today (I subscribe to alerts about Marquette, Buzz etc)
Rumor about Buzz and Donovan giving Peterson their interest. Whatever, thought people would want to know
http://www.hornsports.com/texas-basketball-rumors-recruiting-updates
No you did it to stir crap like you do with nearly all of your posts
No Hairy, just sharing what is out there. Doesn't mean it is going to happen.
Yes, I suppose I could just not share it. Whatever. Have a terrific night.
Go MU...beat the Buckeyes
nm
It's not as if this info is a week old. It came out today. Would rather know now than wait for some arbitrary grace period to expire before it was posted.
Quote from: Boone on November 15, 2013, 08:57:32 PM
It's not as if this info is a week old. It came out today. Would rather know now than wait for some arbitrary grace period to expire before it was posted.
What info? A rumor from a fan website? This topic has been discussed ad nauseaum on this board. Do you really think this is new
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 15, 2013, 08:46:53 PM
No Hairy, just sharing what is out there. Doesn't mean it is going to happen.
Yes, I suppose I could just not share it. Whatever. Have a terrific night.
Go MU...beat the Buckeyes
There's a lot of porn out there, but you don't see us sharing it here. There's more legitimacy to midget-on-midget-on-girl-on-BBW-on-midget-on-duck porn being a protected form of artistic expression than the schlock "rumor" site you posted.
That seems extremely aggressive for ANY coach. I guess it makes some sense if the coaches want to use the UT job to get a raise, but how desperate are you to leave if you're really reaching out to an incoming (yeah, not even the current one!) AD in freaking November?
Self and Donovan are the opposite of desperate (and Buzz with these last 2 classes isnt far behind), and this smells of those stupid Saban rumors. UT fans love to think everyone is crawling to be with them.
Billy Donovan turned down Kentucky and the NBA, but is chomping at the bit for the Texas gig??
Uh-huh.
So Buzz has a highly ranked 14 class. Already has a commit for 15. And one for 17. Yup, he's trolling for Texas.
Maybe Buzz, Self and Donovan will be tri-coaches.
Or, like the Cubbies of the early '60s, they will form the "College of Coaches."
If Orangebloods said this, I would be very worried. I'm not all that worried.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on November 15, 2013, 09:28:12 PM
If Orangebloods said this, I would be very worried. I'm not all that worried.
Why worried? If it were true self and dononvan would be above buzz on the pecking order
Quote from: hairyworthen on November 15, 2013, 09:06:49 PM
What info? A rumor from a fan website? This topic has been discussed ad nauseaum on this board. Do you really think this is new
Actually, yes, in this case it is new info if the rumor is to be believed. I trust anyone to make up their own mind if it is or isn't.
Quote from: hairyworthen on November 15, 2013, 09:33:06 PM
Why worried? If it were true self and dononvan would be above buzz on the pecking order
Buzz to Kansas.
Buzz to Florida.
Quote from: Benny B on November 15, 2013, 09:09:11 PM
There's a lot of porn out there, but you don't see us sharing it here. There's more legitimacy to midget-on-midget-on-girl-on-BBW-on-midget-on-duck porn being a protected form of artistic expression than the schlock "rumor" site you posted.
Terrific analogy, especially since this is a porn site for midgets.
I mean the idea of posting a website about a story on Buzz Williams.....what was I thinking. Buzz Williams has nothing to do with Marquette basketball at all.
Well, it is basically every coach football/basketball is hot for the Texas job so yeah kind of soft porn... :P
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 15, 2013, 09:46:10 PM
Terrific analogy, especially since this is a porn site for midgets.
Wait. It's not? ?-(
Fascinating that the rumor is that Texas is recruiting a 5-star from Texas, of all places.
Really interesting stuff ::)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 15, 2013, 08:36:32 PM
This arrived in my email today (I subscribe to alerts about Marquette, Buzz etc)
Rumor about Buzz and Donovan giving Peterson their interest. Whatever, thought people would want to know
http://www.hornsports.com/texas-basketball-rumors-recruiting-updates
The author of this article goes by "Shaunsters" and here's a snippet of the piece "This would most likely be a substantial pay raise type of deal if it were to materialize.... Bill Self!!! There has always been a little smoke suggesting Self thought highly of Texas and the program's resources, but never did I think there was a even a slim chance of him residing in Austin. Especially after the Andrew Wiggins clown show that was his recruitment. Never say never, but WOW!"
It's like a child describing his first wet dream and stumbling over his words to describe it. This "story" carries no merit whatsoever.
If I had a nickel for everytime a scooper unnecessarily provoked Chicos....
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on November 15, 2013, 09:28:12 PM
If Orangebloods said this, I would be very worried. I'm not all that worried.
Orangebloods is almost non existent now. ShaggyBevo, BurntOrange, and a few others is where the traffic is.
Quote from: windyplayer on November 15, 2013, 11:09:43 PM
The author of this article goes by "Shaunsters" and here's a snippet of the piece "This would most likely be a substantial pay raise type of deal if it were to materialize.... Bill Self!!! There has always been a little smoke suggesting Self thought highly of Texas and the program's resources, but never did I think there was a even a slim chance of him residing in Austin. Especially after the Andrew Wiggins clown show that was his recruitment. Never say never, but WOW!"
It's like a child describing his first wet dream and stumbling over his words to describe it. This "story" carries no merit whatsoever.
And the wonderful thing, Windy, is you get to make that determination. That is entirely the point. I simply posted what was out there according the posters "sources", and the readers can decide. Which is what you did.
That's how it is supposed to work. I don't recall saying this is going to happen, or anything of the kind, but merely this is what hit my email box. Feel free to digest and do with it what you will. Which many of you have.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 16, 2013, 10:22:17 AM
If I had a nickel for everytime a scooper unnecessarily provoked Chicos....
If I had a nickel for every time Chico's unnecessarily provoked Scoopers .... ( see: this week's raising of DJ Newbill's situation, his IU thread).
Quote from: Pakuni on November 16, 2013, 11:23:18 AM
If I had a nickel for every time Chico's unnecessarily provoked Scoopers .... ( see: this week's raising of DJ Newbill's situation, his IU thread).
You would be far richer the other scenario. There's only so much one man can do
Quote from: Pakuni on November 16, 2013, 11:23:18 AM
If I had a nickel for every time Chico's unnecessarily provoked Scoopers .... ( see: this week's raising of DJ Newbill's situation, his IU thread).
Honestly, in my years of reading scoop, I see other scoopers attack Chicos first more than the other way around. Most of Chico's "attacks" are usually legitimate points that other people don't like to hear. Yes there is some authentic douchebagerry as well but there is plenty of that going around.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 16, 2013, 04:30:23 PM
Honestly, in my years of reading scoop, I see other scoopers attack Chicos first more than the other way around. Most of Chico's "attacks" are usually legitimate points that other people don't like to hear.
You are correct....it isn't even close
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 16, 2013, 04:30:23 PM
Honestly, in my years of reading scoop, I see other scoopers attack Chicos first more than the other way around. Most of Chico's "attacks" are usually legitimate points that other people don't like to hear. Yes there is some authentic douchebagerry as well but there is plenty of that going around.
Chicos begs for it. A recent case in point. (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=40574.0)
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 17, 2013, 08:21:27 AM
Chicos begs for it. A recent case in point. (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=40574.0)
No Jay Bee, I did exactly what Ners did to prove a point. No one comes down on Ners....that's exactly what TAMU was saying. This isn't hard.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 17, 2013, 10:34:06 AM
No Jay Bee, I did exactly what Ners did to prove a point. No one comes down on Ners....that's exactly what TAMU was saying. This isn't hard.
You're creating threads to prove points that won't change anyone's mind? OK, bub.
"Boy... after reading the Hypocritical Californian's new post about I4, it has all come to light. Glad he did that!"
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 17, 2013, 10:42:16 AM
You're creating threads to prove points that won't change anyone's mind? OK, bub.
"Boy... after reading the Hypocritical Californian's new post about I4, it has all come to light. Glad he did that!"
Exhibit A
TAMU and I thank you for proving the point again. What he said is exactly right
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 17, 2013, 10:49:55 AM
Exhibit A
TAMU and I thank you for proving the point again. What he said is exactly right
Do you want to get you a new hammer? The one you've been using to nail yourself to that cross is probably worn out by now.
Quote from: MUDish on September 14, 2013, 10:21:33 PM
I don't know about Barnes, but Mack Brown ain't gonna make it to Monday.
Well he made it, but he's gone end of this week per sources at the Longhorn Network. Maybe a false alarm, but I trust that he is gone.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 10, 2013, 07:08:59 PM
Well he made it, but he's gone end of this week per sources at the Longhorn Network. Maybe a false alarm, but I trust that he is gone.
That's fascinating! Thanks for sharing. Was is not you who was recently complaining that stuff like this should be relegated to the superbar for EVERYONE - even you?
Anybody notice that Texas knocked off UNC in Chapel Hill last night? Longhorns sitting at 10-1 with a team made up almost entirely of freshmen and sophomores. They have another big game Saturday against Michigan State in Austin.
Quote from: leever on December 11, 2013, 09:43:13 AM
That's fascinating! Thanks for sharing. Was is not you who was recently complaining that stuff like this should be relegated to the superbar for EVERYONE - even you?
Yup, but I don't have the power to put it in the Super Bar
Quote from: Pakuni on December 19, 2013, 12:29:25 PM
Anybody notice that Texas knocked off UNC in Chapel Hill last night? Longhorns sitting at 10-1 with a team made up almost entirely of freshmen and sophomores. They have another big game Saturday against Michigan State in Austin.
Yes, there was a thread about it yesterday