Hoping Texas sucks

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Actually, he didn't exactly explain your first three points, in particular point three.  there is no guarantee that Texas can or will be able to pay Buzz more to coach for them.  If Buzz leaves for Texas it won't be for financial reasons.  Just as Crean didn't leave for Indiana for financial reasons.

True, there is no guarantee Texas will pay more...but they can absolutely outspend us if they so chose. Their pockets are deep and their alumni will support the decision...as long as football is taken care of first.

[Galway Eagle]

True, there is no guarantee Texas will pay more...but they can absolutely outspend us if they so chose. Their pockets are deep and their alumni will support the decision...as long as football is taken care of first.

My understanding is that the state of Texas threw a hissy fit last time they raised Barnes' salary and with Buzz already making more $$ it would seem like they wouldn't want to pay more for a coach. 

[MarquetteDano]

My response was to your 'aww shucks' attitude about it - which is soo odd. If Buzz is as good as we think he is, how is the response just 'oh, we'll move on.'

We are not Kansas, and therefore this is a bigger threat. The coach after Buzz is no guarantee.

I seem to recall Kansas losing their head coach to North Carolina.  I wonder if Kansas considers their program to be a stepping stone?

[ChicosBailBonds]

I seem to recall Kansas losing their head coach to North Carolina.  I wonder if Kansas considers their program to be a stepping stone?

One blue dog to another....plus Roy Williams a UNC alumnus. 

[MarquetteDano]

One blue dog to another....plus Roy Williams a UNC alumnus.  

Could we not make the same argument for Crean?  Went to a blue blood.  IF Williams left for Texas he is from there?

The whole stepping stone thing is overblown.  Yes, if a blue blood comes calling any coach can be poached, as Williams proved leaving Kansas to North Carolina.

And one more thing:  when Roy Williams was hired he was,   gasp,  an ASSISTANT!

[Jay Bee]

My understanding is that the state of Texas threw a hissy fit last time they raised Barnes' salary and with Buzz already making more $$ it would seem like they wouldn't want to pay more for a coach. 

We don't know Buzz's compensation package. I can tell you I don't believe it's significantly higher than that of Barnes, if even as high. Barnes has a solid guarantee setup plus some relatively low-hanging incentives.

Money wouldn't be an issue (well, it would from a PR standpoint perhaps, but the powers that be can get it done and do so in a reasonable fashion).

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

My understanding is that the state of Texas threw a hissy fit last time they raised Barnes' salary and with Buzz already making more $$ it would seem like they wouldn't want to pay more for a coach. 

I'm in Texas. That hissy fit was very exaggerated.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Could we not make the same argument for Crean?  Went to a blue blood.  IF Williams left for Texas he is from there?

The whole stepping stone thing is overblown.  Yes, if a blue blood comes calling any coach can be poached, as Williams proved leaving Kansas to North Carolina.

And one more thing:  when Roy Williams was hired he was,   gasp,  an ASSISTANT!

I'm not sure where anyone with a straight face would say Marquette is a blue blood so Crean leaving from a non-blue blood to a blue blood doesn't apply.  Same as if Buzz left.  I think in most people's opinions there are probably 6 or 7 blue bloods and maybe another 5 or so that are damn close (Arizona,  Michigan State, UCONN, etc). 

Williams was an assistant from a blue blood going to a blue blood.  Anything can happen.  If MU loses Buzz, they'll hire another coach who hopefully will do a solid job. 

[MarquetteDano]

I'm not sure where anyone with a straight face would say Marquette is a blue blood so Crean leaving from a non-blue blood to a blue blood doesn't apply.  Same as if Buzz left.  I think in most people's opinions there are probably 6 or 7 blue bloods and maybe another 5 or so that are damn close (Arizona,  Michigan State, UCONN, etc). 

Williams was an assistant from a blue blood going to a blue blood.  Anything can happen.  If MU loses Buzz, they'll hire another coach who hopefully will do a solid job. 

Chicos,

  Somehow you missed my point in all of this.  I don't recall stating Marquette is a blue blood.  I was just showing the "stepping stone" talk is a bit much because based on their arguments (coaches leaving for another job, hiring up and coming assistants) Kansas has twice showed they are a "stepping stone" even though we know this is not true.

[KenoshaWarrior]

1. Hire a young assistant coach to be head coach. This is his first high D1 HC job.
2. Coach has success at first high D1 job.
3. Coach leaves for other job with more pay.
4. D1 school left w/o coach hires hot assistant coach.

This is the recipe of a stepping stone job.

Oregon Football has a similar recipe and it sure as hell looks like it is working for them

[JWags85]

Oregon Football has a similar recipe and it sure as hell looks like it is working for them

Thats internal promotion and grooming future head coaches, not going out and grabbing a hot new assistant.  Chip Kelly was similar to Buzz when he took over for Belloti, and Helfrich had been with the program 4 years.  Its not like they went and grabbed a high riser assistant from Kansas or something.  If Buzz left and Chew was the new HC, then that would be more like the Oregon model.

[GGGG]

Thats internal promotion and grooming future head coaches, not going out and grabbing a hot new assistant.  Chip Kelly was similar to Buzz when he took over for Belloti, and Helfrich had been with the program 4 years.  Its not like they went and grabbed a high riser assistant from Kansas or something.  If Buzz left and Chew was the new HC, then that would be more like the Oregon model.

And Chip Kelly was hired specifically to be Belotti's successor.  Really an incredible story.  From offensive coordinator at New Hampshire in 2006 to NFL head coach today.

[Dawson Rental]

Thats internal promotion and grooming future head coaches, not going out and grabbing a hot new assistant.  Chip Kelly was similar to Buzz when he took over for Belloti, and Helfrich had been with the program 4 years.  Its not like they went and grabbed a high riser assistant from Kansas or something.  If Buzz left and Chew was the new HC, then that would be more like the Oregon model.

Whenever the Buzz leaving posts start, this is what pops up in the back of my mind.

[77ncaachamps]

I think Texas's colors are the problem.

No one wins the NCAA championship wearing "poo" as their main jersey color.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos,

  Somehow you missed my point in all of this.  I don't recall stating Marquette is a blue blood.  I was just showing the "stepping stone" talk is a bit much because based on their arguments (coaches leaving for another job, hiring up and coming assistants) Kansas has twice showed they are a "stepping stone" even though we know this is not true.

Understood.  I think there are stepping stones and then there are understood moves.  That's where I was going.  You and I both agree Kansas isn't a stepping stone despite coaches leaving there.  I believe 99% of fans agree with this.  Schools like MU, etc that lose coaches, are going to be viewed in a different light.  It may be unfair, but that is the perception. 

Until we get coaches to routinely spend a decade or more in this job, it's going to happen.  Unfortunately we have only had a few meet that criteria.

[Lennys Tap]

Until we get coaches to routinely spend a decade or more in this job, it's going to happen.  Unfortunately we have only had a few meet that criteria.

Well, it's happened once in the last 70 years and not at all in the last 35 so the chances it becomes routine are probably remote.

[muhoops1]

I've heard that it isn't the salary that keeps Buzz from leaving, but that schools are reluctant to match MU's hoops budget.  Obviously, complete conjecture on my part, but I've heard he's asked for the same budget that he has at MU and these BCS Schools say "No".

[MarquetteDano]

Until we get coaches to routinely spend a decade or more in this job, it's going to happen.  Unfortunately we have only had a few meet that criteria.

I guess I just disagree with your criteria.  We had a coach stay for years after making a Final Four run.  Another has been around for five years and has stayed after an Elite Eight run.  I don't care what the media says... that isn't stepping stone.

I think after O'Neill bolted after his first successful year... that is an example of a stepping stone move. After he left, it would have been an apt description of the program.

We have had three coaches after that, and none of them "bolted" after their first good year.

[BallBoy]

How 'bout this for going against the grain ...

If Texas stinks this season and Barnes gets fired, let's say they come after Buzz hard.

This is about as smart as wishing your girlfriend books a trip to Cancun for Spring Break in the hopes that she misses you. 

[Jay Bee]

I've heard that it isn't the salary that keeps Buzz from leaving, but that schools are reluctant to match MU's hoops budget.  Obviously, complete conjecture on my part, but I've heard he's asked for the same budget that he has at MU and these BCS Schools say "No".

Absolutely a huge plus at MU is the financial support the coach gets, including the relative ease of travel. Flying around, car rentals, etc. all blow.

If you're able to have someone set up a jet for you and when you hop off there's a rental car running several hundred yards away... that's big. Whether you have a family or not. Huge plus.

[MU82]

This is about as smart as wishing your girlfriend books a trip to Cancun for Spring Break in the hopes that she misses you. 

I guess you know my girlfriend!

(Everybody knows my girlfriend ... ba dum bum!)

[NersEllenson]

This is about as smart as wishing your girlfriend books a trip to Cancun for Spring Break in the hopes that she misses you. 

That's a hilarious analogy.  Well played. 

[Galway Eagle]

I'm in Texas. That hissy fit was very exaggerated.

noted, thanks for ruining the angle that's brought me security on this subject! haha

[brandx]

I've heard that it isn't the salary that keeps Buzz from leaving, but that schools are reluctant to match MU's hoops budget.  Obviously, complete conjecture on my part, but I've heard he's asked for the same budget that he has at MU and these BCS Schools say "No".

So you are saying he wanted to leave (more than once), but other schools refused his demands.

I don't believe it - show me the evidence. And don't play the SMU card cuz that bird won't fly.

[Galway Eagle]

I'm in Texas. That hissy fit was very exaggerated.

noted, thanks for ruining the angle that's brought me security on this subject! haha