Hoping Texas sucks

[brewcity77]

No. There will never be closure. Things can always change. If you want Buzz at Marquette, it'll always be something on your mind from time to time. Getting past a coaching change at Texas in the spring of 2014 wouldn't wrap that issue up for everyone.

+1

Buzz could say no to Texas and say yes to Duke when K retires, or Kansas when Self goes to the NBA. He's here now. Let's hope it stays that way.

[Eldon]

I thought this thread was going to be about rooting against Texas football, not basketball.

I'm hoping Texas football gets destroyed this season so that all of UT's resources are channeled there. 


In the worst case scenario, we have to find a new coach.  I hope and believe that the BOT sees what having a top-notch, nationally-relevant basketball program can do for a university (especially donations) and continues to devote time, effort, and money to the program.

[Aughnanure]

Yeah cause it would be really weird that a guy who grew up in Texas would go back there to take a job at a school four times the size with a huge athletic budget and its own cable television network.

If he goes he goes.  Life goes on.

Well its not a good thing. Guess what? It sucks to have your last two coaches leave, and its hard to keep replacing them - especially one as special as Buzz.

Bill Self is from Oklahoma State, but I don't see him going there over Kansas anytime soon.

[brewcity77]

Well its not a good thing. Guess what? It sucks to have your last two coaches leave, and its hard to keep replacing them - especially one as special as Buzz.

Bill Self is from Oklahoma State, but I don't see him going there over Kansas anytime soon.

I heard plenty of Self to OSU rumors before Travis Ford turned it around with Marcus Smart last year. Considering the money behind that program, him returning there either as a direct Ford replacement (if he fails) or coming back from the NBA wouldn't surprise me at all.

[Pakuni]

Well its not a good thing. Guess what? It sucks to have your last two coaches leave, and its hard to keep replacing them - especially one as special as Buzz.

Bill Self is from Oklahoma State, but I don't see him going there over Kansas anytime soon.

Self was this close to taking the Okie State job in 2008.

[GGGG]

Well its not a good thing. Guess what? It sucks to have your last two coaches leave, and its hard to keep replacing them - especially one as special as Buzz.

Bill Self is from Oklahoma State, but I don't see him going there over Kansas anytime soon.

Brew and Pakuni addressed this.

And MU isn't Kansas.

[ChicosBailBonds]

It will be an interesting season to watch, but seems the odds are stacked against Barnes this season.....he is approaching Grandpa stage so that could be the issue. 

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/22/rick-barnes-job-status-at-texas-will-be-something-to-keep-an-eye-on-all-season-long/


http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/08/writer-rick-barnes-has-lost-his-recruiting-touch-stats-tell-the-story.html/

[lab_warrior]

It's sad and unseemly to see this much unnecessary angst turn some
folks into a sniveling bunch of whining toddlers, over the latest
hypothetical, "Buzz to _____." rumors. 

Get over it.  It's out of your control.  He has every incentive to stay, but he
might leave. Deal with that reality. 

Oh, AND YOU CAN ACT LIKE A MAN.  Buzz might leave to Texas...what
can I do? what can I do?? 

http://www.youtube.com/v/nbZEkFLXh9Y&fs=1&source=uds

[Aughnanure]

Self was this close to taking the Okie State job in 2008.

No he was not.

[Aughnanure]

I heard plenty of Self to OSU rumors before Travis Ford turned it around with Marcus Smart last year. Considering the money behind that program, him returning there either as a direct Ford replacement (if he fails) or coming back from the NBA wouldn't surprise me at all.

Rumors aren't truth. And the money is obvious - T. Boone Pickens.

[Aughnanure]

Brew and Pakuni addressed this.

And MU isn't Kansas.

My response was to your 'aww shucks' attitude about it - which is soo odd. If Buzz is as good as we think he is, how is the response just 'oh, we'll move on.'

We are not Kansas, and therefore this is a bigger threat. The coach after Buzz is no guarantee.

[Pakuni]

No he was not.

You're right. He met for several hours with Okie State's AD to discuss the job because he wasn't serious about it.
Coaches do that all the time.

[Aughnanure]

You're right. He met for several hours with Okie State's AD to discuss the job because he wasn't serious about it.
Coaches do that all the time.

Coaches do that when they're not trying to be a dick to their alma mater.

[Pakuni]

Coaches do that when they're not trying to be a dick to their alma mater.

Oh, come on. Pretty sure he could have saved himself and time and travel by politely declining without being a dick.
It's his alma mater. It's a respectable program. And Boone Pickens was going open up the vault for him. Self would have been a fool not to seriously consider it. And he's not a fool.
Not sure why you're hellbent on disproving the obvious.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Get over it.  It's out of your control.  He has every incentive to stay, but he
might leave. Deal with that reality. 

Agree with the approach...nothing we can do about it....the sun will rise, the earth will remain on its axis, another coach will be hired.  Still, will be interesting to watch it unfold if it happens.

[Aughnanure]

Oh, come on. Pretty sure he could have saved himself and time and travel by politely declining without being a dick.
It's his alma mater. It's a respectable program. And Boone Pickens was going open up the vault for him. Self would have been a fool not to seriously consider it. And he's not a fool.
Not sure why you're hellbent on disproving the obvious.

Because he was never leaving, and to claim KU is at risk to losing their coach to anything other than a massive NBA contract paints the "no one's coach is safe" argument in a highly incorrect and overexaggerated light.

By interviewing w/ Okie State he raised the profile of that program to other coaches. It was a favor.

Most programs, year in and year out, still do not deal with the type of 'is he leaving" vs 'is he staying' type of concern.

[GGGG]

My response was to your 'aww shucks' attitude about it - which is soo odd. If Buzz is as good as we think he is, how is the response just 'oh, we'll move on.'

Because there is really nothing I can do about it.  Why worry about something that I cannot control and doesn't have a meaningful impact on my life?

[Aughnanure]

Get over it.  It's out of your control.  He has every incentive to stay, but he
might leave. Deal with that reality.  

So is EVERYTHING that happens in college basketball. Does that mean we not talk about the games or worry about an outcome cause it's "out of our control"?

[Aughnanure]

Because there is really nothing I can do about it.  Why worry about something that I cannot control and doesn't have a meaningful impact on my life?

Why talk about anything then?

[GGGG]

Why talk about anything then?

I pretty much have an "aw shucks" attitude over most things on this board.  That doesn't mean I cant talk about it.

[Aughnanure]

I pretty much have an "aw shucks" attitude over most things on this board.  That doesn't mean I cant talk about it.

Maybe it was just the people telling anyone that mentions this to shut up that got on my nerves. This is the Texas job, and will be relevant. I'm usually in agreement with you, but I'm going to be really pissed/bummed if Buzz does leave -  aw shucks will not be a sufficient summary.

[Dawson Rental]

1. Hire a young assistant coach to be head coach. This is his first high D1 HC job.
2. Coach has success at first high D1 job.
3. Coach leaves for other job with more pay.
4. D1 school left w/o coach hires hot assistant coach.

This is the recipe of a stepping stone job.

I prefer to see it as a recipe for a 312-150 (.675) record since 1998-99, with 10 NCAA appearances, including a pair of Sweet Sixteens, an Elite Eight and a Final Four.

Look, nobody here wants to see Buzz go. But if the Texas job opens up, and it's offered to him, it's a distinct possibility. And if that happens, it's not a poor reflection on Marquette. It just means that the head coaching job a bigger school with deeper pockets  - and, oh hey, the flagship university of the country's second-largest state - is a pretty attractive gig.

Exactly.  You've explained my first 3 points. The only thing left to do is hire a hot young assistant coach to be the next head coach and the cycle continues.

Actually, he didn't exactly explain your first three points, in particular point three.  there is no guarantee that Texas can or will be able to pay Buzz more to coach for them.  If Buzz leaves for Texas it won't be for financial reasons.  Just as Crean didn't leave for Indiana for financial reasons.

[MU82]

It's sad and unseemly to see this much unnecessary angst turn some
folks into a sniveling bunch of whining toddlers, over the latest
hypothetical, "Buzz to _____." rumors. 

Get over it.  It's out of your control.  He has every incentive to stay, but he
might leave. Deal with that reality. 

Oh, AND YOU CAN ACT LIKE A MAN.  Buzz might leave to Texas...what
can I do? what can I do?? 

http://www.youtube.com/v/nbZEkFLXh9Y&fs=1&source=uds

I don't sense any sniveling in this comment stream.

And I didn't start this stream to take part in "fear-mongering," as another poster claimed.

It was just something that popped into my head and I thought would be interesting to discuss.

Jeesh. It's a fan board and it's the offseason. Sorry for using a fan board to, um, talk about stuff some fans might be thinking about.

Yeah, let's go back to something useful, like which 14-year-old might commit next or who should start between Otule and Gardner.

[Daniel]

I'm rooting for Marquette!

[We R Final Four]

Actually, he didn't exactly explain your first three points, in particular point three.  there is no guarantee that Texas can or will be able to pay Buzz more to coach for them.  If Buzz leaves for Texas it won't be for financial reasons.  Just as Crean didn't leave for Indiana for financial reasons.

Never said it was for financial reasons. Sultan explained several reasons why a guy from Texas may very well head back to his home state school.

However, I assure you He ain't takin a pay cut to do so.