Judging by the fact that nobody has posted about D. Wade's awesome night (30 pts, 6 rbds) with still a lot of play, I'm wondering, do MU fans still care about D. Wade killing it in the NBA Finals?
I'm a Bulls fan, 2009 grad (meaning I never saw D. Wade in an MU uni), and I love the fact that Jimmy Butler has played his way onto a really good Bulls Team. I want to Heat to lose because I really hate the collusion/monopoly that the Heat have developed, and because I really want the Bulls to rival the Heat as one of the best teams of the 2010-2019 decade.... (if that makes sense).
D. Wade is a graduate of MU. I should be rooting for the Heat because of that. But I'm not. And I wonder if other MU fans feel the same way???
Does the D. Wade/Lebron/Bosh triumvirate/collusion, disassociate MU fans from their allegiance to D. Wade?
Ray Allen is my current favorite player, have really liked him ever since he was a rookie with the Bucks. Also a big Wade fan for obvious reasons. Despite that, I'm still cheering for the Spurs because I hate everything about the Heat.
He wore IU shorts once and refused to sign with the Bulls....and he loves his former coach.....
Yes, proud of him. Hope they win it all for many reasons, including watching heads explode.
He's the best player in the history of our fine institution and he played a massive role in returning us to basketball relevance.
Even those who don't like some of his perceived arrogance have to be grateful for what he did and continues to do for the Marquette basketball.
And I, for one, still like the guy.
Quote from: nycwarrior on June 13, 2013, 10:37:18 PM
He's the best player in the history of our fine institution and he played a massive role in returning us to basketball relevance.
Even those who don't like some of his perceived arrogance have to be grateful for what he did and continues to do for the Marquette basketball.
And I, for one, still like the guy.
A thousand times, this.
I still like him too, but wonder if Lebron has taught him a few bad habits...
He's a good dude, it's just hard to root for him now.
Yes, always yes, he had a great game tonight. All you Bulls(hit) fans can cry somewhere else. This is an MU fan site not a loser Bulls site.
Homer's proud (as am I).
A true Warrior!
Quote from: denverMU on June 13, 2013, 10:53:50 PM
Yes, always yes, he had a great game tonight. All you Bulls(hit) fans can cry somewhere else. This is an MU fan site not a loser Bulls site.
Just so I'm clear... all fans who dislike Wade, or the Heat, are "Bulls(hit)" fans? Ok. got it.
Quote from: jesmu84 on June 13, 2013, 11:20:58 PM
Just so I'm clear... all fans who dislike Wade, or the Heat, are "Bulls(hit)" fans? Ok. got it.
I did not say that but if you bother to look at the original post you can find the genesis of my post.
Quote from: denverMU on June 13, 2013, 11:30:21 PM
I did not say that but if you bother to look at the original post you can find the genesis of my post.
No your post was just stupid even after reading the original post three times trying to understand where you're coming from you still come off as a rude and trying to start a fight.
I am proud to say I share an alma mater with Dwyane Wade.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 13, 2013, 11:46:05 PM
No your post was just stupid even after reading the original post three times trying to understand where you're coming from you still come off as a rude and trying to start a fight.
So what are you trying to do with your post? Maybe you should read it a fourth or fifth time. "I'm a Bulls fan..." "I want the Heat to lose because I really hate the collusion/monopoly that the Heat have developed, and because I REALLY WANT THE
BULLS...." I dislike it when MU fans deride one the best MU players of all time because they fans of a pro team he doesn't play on.
But wait, how can we be proud of the dirtiest whiner in the NBA? ::)
Plus, according to some scoopers, his career is essentially over unless he wants to be a role player off the bench.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 13, 2013, 10:36:54 PM
Yes, proud of him. Hope they win it all for many reasons, including watching heads explode.
Why would they explode if the heat win? They're the favorite...
Quote from: denverMU on June 14, 2013, 12:06:14 AM
So what are you trying to do with your post? Maybe you should read it a fourth or fifth time. "I'm a Bulls fan..." "I want the Heat to lose because I really hate the collusion/monopoly that the Heat have developed, and because I REALLY WANT THE BULLS...." I dislike it when MU fans deride one the best MU players of all time because they fans of a pro team he doesn't play on.
You provoked the fight mate. Instead of just answering the question he asked, you decided to also trash his very fair and good question by pointing out irrelevant stuff, such as him being a bulls fan.
Now, five minute timeout. Both of you.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 14, 2013, 01:05:31 AM
Why would they explode if the heat win? They're the favorite...
Because some fans want nothing more than to see Lebron lose or the Heat to lose. Haters are going to hate and heads explode when the haters lose. The Heat, and Lebron in particular, have a lot of haters.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 14, 2013, 01:23:45 AM
Because some fans want nothing more than to see Lebron lose or the Heat to lose. Haters are going to hate and heads explode when the haters lose. The Heat, and Lebron in particular, have a lot of haters.
For good reason too. They make themselves unlikable. They really do deserve the hate they get cause they really are super arrogant. For as good as they think they are you would have thought they went 82-0. I really dislike the Spurs as well but for this one series I hope they whip the Heat the next two games.
We should be proud of D. Wade. He could have done a Vince Carter and decided to preserve his body, change his game and become a "good" but not "great" player. Instead, he keeps his same aggressive rim-attack style (when he's healthy) at the expense of his physical health and probably the length of his career.
I watched Sydney Moncrief's last two years after his knees were gone and it was sad to see what happened to such an incredible athlete after his body gave up. Let's hope that DW can win one or two more championships as a major contributor and then just hang it up. Or, if he can somehow find his health again - keep contending for 4 or 5 more years!
He is best player ever to wear MU jersey and will always pull for him. From first time I saw him in person I respected his athletic ability and work ethic. Aside from normal gripes, due to knowing too much about everything because of internet, I hope he knocks out of the park everyday.
What a stupid thread. If you don't root for Wade, get out of here.
I root for Wade, haven't like his play last couple of years, but last night he looked healthy and looked like the flash of old. As a Bulls fan I don't root against Wade. I think a lot of people in Chicago's dislike for the Heat is warranted on multiple fronts.
Miami has been the team to beat in the East the last couple years and Chicago has not gotten past them. I feel that the constant comparisons of Lebron to MJ is the major one. People in Chicago have learned to hate LBJ due to the comparisons which many feel are unwarranted ...at this time.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 14, 2013, 01:23:45 AM
Because some fans want nothing more than to see Lebron lose or the Heat to lose. Haters are going to hate and heads explode when the haters lose. The Heat, and Lebron in particular, have a lot of haters.
Right about the hate, and the hate for Wade IMO has no justification. His whining has been minimal--less than many others, and he is obviously playing with injury.
Quote from: esard2011 on June 14, 2013, 01:53:53 AM
For good reason too. They make themselves unlikable. They really do deserve the hate they get cause they really are super arrogant. For as good as they think they are you would have thought they went 82-0. I really dislike the Spurs as well but for this one series I hope they whip the Heat the next two games.
Lots of dislike here. Must be a Bucks fan.
Quote from: esard2011 on June 14, 2013, 01:53:53 AM
For good reason too. They make themselves unlikable. They really do deserve the hate they get cause they really are super arrogant. For as good as they think they are you would have thought they went 82-0.
Man, i remember hearing this argument back in the 90s about a different team.
Quote from: EnderWiggen on June 14, 2013, 07:51:17 AM
Man, i remember hearing this argument back in the 90s about a different team.
I don't recall Jordan, Scottie, and Rodman holding a pep rally and claiming they'd win 7 titles before stepping foot on the court together. IMHO its perfectly fair to hate on the Heat. They brought it on themselves with the summer of sham.
Quote from: esard2011 on June 14, 2013, 01:53:53 AM
For good reason too. They make themselves unlikable. They really do deserve the hate they get cause they really are super arrogant. For as good as they think they are you would have thought they went 82-0. I really dislike the Spurs as well but for this one series I hope they whip the Heat the next two games.
Besides the pep rally, give me an example of how they make themselves unlikable and display their super arrogance. I understand that one event made the Heat unlikable to many, but that was years ago.
The Heat are no more arrogant than most of the great teams of the last two decades. I find it amusing that people can call the Heat arrogant, dirty, and whiners then turn around and root for the Spurs. Coach P is an arrogant bully, Ginobili is the biggest flopper of all time, and the Spurs big three whine to officials after literally every call against them.
If you're not proud of D-Wade, you're not a real Marquette fan. So says I and I am the decider of all things!
Quote from: MUSF on June 14, 2013, 08:13:46 AM
Besides the pep rally, give me an example of how they make themselves unlikable and display their super arrogance. I understand that one event made the Heat unlikable to many, but that was years ago.
The Heat are no more arrogant than most of the great teams of the last two decades. I find it amusing that people can call the Heat arrogant, dirty, and whiners then turn around and root for the Spurs. Coach P is an arrogant bully, Ginobili is the biggest flopper of all time, and the Spurs big three whine to officials after literally every call against them.
The main reason, which isn't to say it's the only reason, why I hate the heat is the way that team was assembled and all the media hype around them. You have LBJ betraying his hometown organization and being a ring chaser. They became the New York Yankees of basketball. The Big three screwed over 2 franchises. They took the easy way out, and I don't have any respect for that. The first year they were together, people were hailing them as the best team to ever play, even one that could win more than 72 games, before one was even played. I'm sick and tired of the heat. You hear about LBJ everywhere. When he hit 20k or whatever to become the youngest player to get to that point, people were hailing him as the greatest. But he had at least a three year headstart over nearly everyone. Great like Wilt, Jordan, and Kareem went to college. It took LeBron something like 3000 more shots to reach 20k as opposed to Wilt, who played when there was no 3 point line.
So, the media over exposing their every move and them taking the easy way out is why I hate them. I have got no respect for teams that cut corners.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 14, 2013, 08:46:43 AM
The main reason, which isn't to say it's the only reason, why I hate the heat is the way that team was assembled and all the media hype around them. You have LBJ betraying his hometown organization and being a ring chaser. They became the New York Yankees of basketball. The Big three screwed over 2 franchises. They took the easy way out, and I don't have any respect for that. The first year they were together, people were hailing them as the best team to ever play, even one that could win more than 72 games, before one was even played. I'm sick and tired of the heat. You hear about LBJ everywhere. When he hit 20k or whatever to become the youngest player to get to that point, people were hailing him as the greatest. But he had at least a three year headstart over nearly everyone. Great like Wilt, Jordan, and Kareem went to college. It took LeBron something like 3000 more shots to reach 20k as opposed to Wilt, who played when there was no 3 point line.
So, the media over exposing their every move and them taking the easy way out is why I hate them. I have got no respect for teams that cut corners.
This is ridiculous.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 14, 2013, 01:23:45 AM
Because some fans want nothing more than to see Lebron lose or the Heat to lose. Haters are going to hate and heads explode when the haters lose. The Heat, and Lebron in particular, have a lot of haters.
So your hater's head will explode if the Blackhawks win?
I didn't mean shots. That doesn't make sense. LBJ had at least a couple hundred games of a head start over many players.
Quote from: MUSF on June 14, 2013, 08:49:08 AM
This is ridiculous.
How so? A team like the heat who collected a group of hall of famers, players that planned this at their draft, take the easy way out, which warrants hate and lack of respect. That's why no one outside of NY likes the Yankees. And hardly anyone outside of Miami likes the heat.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 14, 2013, 08:46:43 AM
The main reason, which isn't to say it's the only reason, why I hate the heat is the way that team was assembled and all the media hype around them. You have LBJ betraying his hometown organization and being a ring chaser. They became the New York Yankees of basketball. The Big three screwed over 2 franchises.
LBJ didn't owe anything to Cleveland much less this "betray" BS. And last I checked, none of them broke a contract. And as for being a "ring chaser," that has a long history in professional sports. Wilt himself did it. So it's hard for me to blame him for that.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 14, 2013, 08:53:21 AM
That's why no one outside of NY likes the Yankees. And hardly anyone outside of Miami likes the heat.
Uhh...you sure about that??? Because I think you are wrong on both counts.
I love Wade but I am pulling for Duncan to win one more title.
Quote from: Terror Skink on June 14, 2013, 08:54:39 AM
Uhh...you sure about that??? Because I think you are wrong on both counts.
Positive. Fans outside of those two cities and states are minorities. Everyone is always pulling against them. The vast amount of people despise those teams. Similar to the Patriots of the NFL. Hard to find support for them outside of New England
Dwyane Wade looked liked he jumped into a time machine last night and returned to circa 2006. He looked healthy and when healthy he's still one of the best. I also think someone had a conversation with him late in the Indiana series about his on court demeanor - he's been on his best behavior of late, which pleases me no end.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 14, 2013, 09:00:18 AM
Positive. Fans outside of those two cities and states are minorities. Everyone is always pulling against them. The vast amount of people despise those teams. Similar to the Patriots of the NFL. Hard to find support for them outside of New England
Hey, you said "no one" out side NY likes the Yankees. Now you are saying that "fans outside of those two cities are minorities." Way to back off your point.
When the Yankees were head and shoulder the best team in MLB, and now that Miami is arguably the best team over the past three years in the NBA, they are the most popular teams. And their popularity is widespread. Of course their fans are going to be a minority in other markets, but that doesn't mean that it is limited to their geographic area.
And a lot of people don't like the fair weather fandom and the hype they generate...and it engenders strong feelings on the other side.
But don't pretend that they don't have fans everywhere...cause they do.
Feel free to hate the Heat, but NEVER included Wade in any talk about ring chasers.
Wade was drafted by the Heat and took them to a championship before OTHER players arrived to chase rings. It is all sorts of wrong to criticize Wade for essentially "recruiting" those players to Miami. Wade wants to win and he did what was needed to help make that happen.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 14, 2013, 09:00:18 AM
Positive. Fans outside of those two cities and states are minorities. Everyone is always pulling against them. The vast amount of people despise those teams. Similar to the Patriots of the NFL. Hard to find support for them outside of New England
So wrong. Oh so wrong. Those teams attract more fair weather fans than any. Man, just the amount of times I've ran into "Yankees" fans from Omaha or Des Moines, or Duke fans that have never even been to North Carolina...
Quote from: denverMU on June 14, 2013, 12:06:14 AM
So what are you trying to do with your post? Maybe you should read it a fourth or fifth time. "I'm a Bulls fan..." "I want the Heat to lose because I really hate the collusion/monopoly that the Heat have developed, and because I REALLY WANT THE BULLS...." I dislike it when MU fans deride one the best MU players of all time because they fans of a pro team he doesn't play on.
So what you're saying is that him saying he is a Bulls fan provoked you? That's a sad way to live. And then all he does is give a reason that he wants the Heat to lose he didn't directly trash Wade he just said he doesn't like the Heat which is his valid opinion, you came at him with insults attempting to turn it into a fight. In fact he actually gave the Heat a compliment when he said he wants the Bulls to rival the Heat as the best team of the 2010-2019 decade but I'm guessing you failed to see that because your heart was already set on insulting him because he doesn't worship the Heat. I'm a bulls fan, I hate the Heat but I love seeing Wade be successful. Your response will probably be attacking me for not liking the heat even though I mentioned that I love seeing Wade's success.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 14, 2013, 09:00:18 AM
Positive. Fans outside of those two cities and states are minorities. Everyone is always pulling against them. The vast amount of people despise those teams. Similar to the Patriots of the NFL. Hard to find support for them outside of New England
Agree!
There were also never any Bulls fans in the 90's outside of Chicago. EVERYBODY was rooting for Stockton/Malone to win that one!
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 14, 2013, 08:46:43 AM
The main reason, which isn't to say it's the only reason, why I hate the heat is the way that team was assembled and all the media hype around them. You have LBJ betraying his hometown organization and being a ring chaser. They became the New York Yankees of basketball. The Big three screwed over 2 franchises. They took the easy way out, and I don't have any respect for that. The first year they were together, people were hailing them as the best team to ever play, even one that could win more than 72 games, before one was even played. I'm sick and tired of the heat. You hear about LBJ everywhere. When he hit 20k or whatever to become the youngest player to get to that point, people were hailing him as the greatest. But he had at least a three year headstart over nearly everyone. Great like Wilt, Jordan, and Kareem went to college. It took LeBron something like 3000 more shots to reach 20k as opposed to Wilt, who played when there was no 3 point line.
So, the media over exposing their every move and them taking the easy way out is why I hate them. I have got no respect for teams that cut corners.
The only thing that bothered me about the assembly of the Heat was "The Decision."
As for a team adding stars, that's how championship teams are built.
- LA traded for Kareem (who forced his way out of Milwaukee)
- Boston traded for Robert Parish
- Houston traded for Clyde Drexler (who forced his way out of Portland)
- Chicago traded for Dennis Rodman
- LA signed Shaq
- Boston traded for Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett (who forced their way out of Seattle and Minnesota)
- Miami signed LeBron and Bosh
Why is what they did wrong but other champion's moves were just good personnel decisions?
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 14, 2013, 08:46:43 AM
You have LBJ betraying his hometown organization and being a ring chaser.
This one is funny. I can understand how Cavaliers fans were upset on the way he left with "the Decision" and the pep rally. But what did he actually owe to the Cavaliers? Dan Gilbert never gave LeBron any pieces around him and it was clear that staying in that city, a championship was not going to occur.
Additionally, have you ever heard of the way Carlos Boozer left the Cavaliers???? Funny that LeBron is always brought up, but never Boozer. Boozer was drafted by the Cavaliers and thus held to the three year rookie contract. Cleveland wanted to resign him to a bigger deal, but in order to do that needed to release him first per NBA rules. They had a deal verbally agreed upon, Cleveland then released him so they could resign him. Boozer then bolted for bigger $$ with the Jazz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Boozer#Free_agency_controversy
I dont understand that because LeBron grew up in the Cleveland area, that this meant he had to stay. Also, what is wrong with him wanting to go to a team that had a much better chance to win? Was Garnett and Ray Allen criticized when they went to Boston? How about Charles Barkley when he went to Houston?
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 14, 2013, 08:46:43 AMThe Big three screwed over 2 franchises. They took the easy way out, and I don't have any respect for that.
They "screwed over" two franchises. They were free agents! Were they supposed to stay? Why should they have stayed with their previous teams? Are other non-star players that leave their teams via free agency traitors and "screwing over" their previous teams?
Yes, the Decision and the pep rally were ridiculous and extremely egotistical. But everything that team has done since then has been the opposite. Yet people still love to hate them, I dont get it.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 14, 2013, 09:01:51 AM
Dwyane Wade looked liked he jumped into a time machine last night and returned to circa 2006. He looked healthy and when healthy he's still one of the best. I also think someone had a conversation with him late in the Indiana series about his on court demeanor - he's been on his best behavior of late, which pleases me no end.
This. It really does seem as all that talk about him during the Indiana series has had him doing some self-reflecting.
I graduated in 2009, and never followed MU until I started there my freshman year, so D.Wade predates my time. Thus I root a little more for the successes of Butler, Matthews, Novak, and Crowder as thats who I watched. But still love watching D.Wade put on a show. Pulling for the Heat in this one.
The reason why Bulls fans hate the Heat is that LeBron was reported to be joining the Bulls and at the last minute he played with Miami and Bosch wanted to join with him.
If LeBron joined the Bulls he would have brought Bosch with him and colluded that way but somehow Im sure that wouldnt have been a problem for you. #FIBLogic
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 14, 2013, 08:53:21 AM
How so? A team like the heat who collected a group of hall of famers, players that planned this at their draft, take the easy way out, which warrants hate and lack of respect.
Technically I believe they planned this during the 2008 Olympics.
Quote from: monkeyman34 on June 13, 2013, 10:36:50 PM
Ray Allen is my current favorite player, have really liked him ever since he was a rookie with the Bucks. Also a big Wade fan for obvious reasons. Despite that, I'm still cheering for the Spurs because I hate everything about the Heat.
Does Ray Allen retire as a Buck or A Celtic??
I really hope it is a Buck but I dont think it will happen.
So who's Miami's MVP:
We all know who will win it if they close out the series, but i'd probably go with Mike Miller, or Wade.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 14, 2013, 08:53:21 AM
How so? A team like the heat who collected a group of hall of famers,
Interesting point. Will Wade be the first Warrior in the NBA HoF?
And yes I am very proud of him and support all alumni in the league.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on June 14, 2013, 10:26:39 AM
The reason why Bulls fans hate the Heat is that LeBron was reported to be joining the Bulls and at the last minute he played with Miami and Bosch wanted to join with him.
If LeBron joined the Bulls he would have brought Bosch with him and colluded that way but somehow Im sure that wouldnt have been a problem for you. #FIBLogic
Bosh.
He may be a tool, but he's not a power tool.
Quote from: JoBo2756 on June 13, 2013, 10:47:10 PM
I still like him too, but wonder if Lebron has taught him a few bad habits...
He's a good dude, it's just hard to root for him now.
What bad Lebron habits?
Dude is the best 3 man to play basketball ever. Are you talking about Bad Habits like
1.Donating a ton of money to boys and girls club
2. Not getting arrested?
3. Smiling during games?
Quote from: Terror Skink on June 14, 2013, 08:54:39 AM
LBJ didn't owe anything to Cleveland much less this "betray" BS. And last I checked, none of them broke a contract. And as for being a "ring chaser," that has a long history in professional sports. Wilt himself did it. So it's hard for me to blame him for that.
Uhh...you sure about that??? Because I think you are wrong on both counts.
LeBron is from Akron which is 50 miles away from Cleveland. Cleveland is not hometown team.
Ask Jamil Wilson or Jim Mac where they are from? They wont say Milwaukee they will say Racine.
Quote from: JD on June 14, 2013, 10:27:37 AM
So who's Miami's MVP:
We all know who will win it if they close out the series, but i'd probably go with Mike Miller, or Wade.
Disagree. It is Lebron. LeBron does everything even when is not scoring. He plays great D, Sets some ridiculous picks, and he finds the open man which gets the d-fense scrambling.
Even when he does not get an assist, he makes that first pass that gets the d-moving
Quote from: Slim on June 14, 2013, 10:27:50 AM
Interesting point. Will Wade be the first Warrior in the NBA HoF?
And yes I am very proud of him and support all alumni in the league.
Yes. He will be first Ballot as well!!
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on June 14, 2013, 10:26:39 AM
The reason why Bulls fans hate the Heat is that LeBron was reported to be joining the Bulls and at the last minute he played with Miami and Bosch wanted to join with him.
If LeBron joined the Bulls he would have brought Bosch with him and colluded that way but somehow Im sure that wouldnt have been a problem for you. #FIBLogic
Bulls fans hate the Heat because they're the primary roadblock to the Bulls reaching the NBA Finals. Period.
Wade said "swaaaappp!" last night. Bang bang. Flash is BACK
Favorite MU player of all-time
Most Important to Marquette basketball in the last 30 years...FINAL FOUR and D-WADE. Bar None
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on June 14, 2013, 07:59:42 AM
I don't recall Jordan, Scottie, and Rodman holding a pep rally and claiming they'd win 7 titles before stepping foot on the court together. IMHO its perfectly fair to hate on the Heat. They brought it on themselves with the summer of sham.
Thus, heads explode if they win.
LOVE IT....though I really don't care. Not watching the games, but any pub that D-Wade gets is good for Marquette. Three rings for him would suit me just fine.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on June 14, 2013, 10:35:39 AM
Disagree. It is Lebron. LeBron does everything even when is not scoring. He plays great D, Sets some ridiculous picks, and he finds the open man which gets the d-fense scrambling.
Even when he does not get an assist, he makes that first pass that gets the d-moving
I dunno. It's a part of the narrative. If Wade leads them in another game or 2, then I think its hard not to. In the Dallas series a few years ago it looked like Wade was going to be MVP. Rebounds, Assists are nice, but its what you're going to remember about the series and some crucial big moments that will decide the MVP.
I don't think the writers will balk at giving it to someone other than LeBron if they can.
Quote from: esard2011 on June 14, 2013, 01:53:53 AM
For good reason too. They make themselves unlikable. They really do deserve the hate they get cause they really are super arrogant. For as good as they think they are you would have thought they went 82-0. I really dislike the Spurs as well but for this one series I hope they whip the Heat the next two games.
What is the correlation of hatred and really good teams? I'm going to say VERY HIGH.
They are under the microscope all the time, anything they say is examined and often twisted or taken out of context. Now, no one is going to argue with you that they bring things on themselves, but so do other NBA teams but no one pays attention or cares because they aren't the Heat...the level of scrutiny is totally different. Lebron sneezes, it's in the news.
One thing that I disagree with people on is the idea that they are selfish for joining a team together. They took a pay cut to do it and they want to win titles, which should be the goal. Too many athletes go for the dollars with the ring as almost an after thought.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 14, 2013, 11:01:53 AM
One thing that I disagree with people on is the idea that they are selfish for joining a team together. They took a pay cut to do it and they want to win titles, which should be the goal. Too many athletes go for the dollars with the ring as almost an after thought.
I agree with this.
But I think a big reason for the hatred you ignored was the
way Lebron left Cleveland and went to Miami, not so much that they joined up.
I'll always cheer for Wade. I hope he scores 40 every night. I also hope the Heat get absolutely dominated the next two games and are embarrassed on their home court to end the series. If James came down hard after a dunk and his knee exploded I wouldn't shed a tear either.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 14, 2013, 11:01:53 AM
One thing that I disagree with people on is the idea that they are selfish for joining a team together. They took a pay cut to do it and they want to win titles, which should be the goal. Too many athletes go for the dollars with the ring as almost an after thought.
Amen.
Quote from: striker14 on June 14, 2013, 11:12:26 AM
I'll always cheer for Wade. I hope he scores 40 every night. I also hope the Heat get absolutely dominated the next two games and are embarrassed on their home court to end the series. If James came down hard after a dunk and his knee exploded I wouldn't shed a tear either.
I really don't understand the hate for LBJ.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 14, 2013, 11:36:08 AM
I really don't understand the hate for LBJ.
One of the worst Presidents in modern history..... ;D ;D
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 14, 2013, 10:37:18 AM
Bulls fans hate the Heat because they're the primary roadblock to the Bulls reaching the NBA Finals. Period.
I'm a Bulls fan and I'd argue that the primary roadblock might be that guy who spent the year in street clothes.
I'm also a Heat fan and have been since the day DWade put on the uniform. His performance last night was special. I sincerely hope he has two more in the tank these next few days.
As to HOF and retired number; absolutely. Done deal.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on June 14, 2013, 07:59:42 AM
I don't recall Jordan, Scottie, and Rodman holding a pep rally and claiming they'd win 7 titles before stepping foot on the court together. IMHO its perfectly fair to hate on the Heat. They brought it on themselves with the summer of sham.
That's so three years ago. Get over it and enjoy the excitement they bring to the game.
Will always cheer for Wade. We wouldn't be the team to beat in the Big East next year without him.
I thought he was old and done and the Heat would be better served with Chalmers and Cole all game. He proved me wrong. I can't imagine the pain he feels between games. He is a fighter.
Lebron seems like a pretty good guy on and off the court. Doesn't draw many technicals or personal attention that is non-basketball related off the court.
Remember when Scottie Pippen beat up his wife? MJ was the top on the court, haven't heard he was such a gem off of the court.
Wade and LBJ are easy to cheer for. They play hard. And maybe what is hard for people to swallow about Wade is that he plays through pain.
I thought Maurice Lucas was in the Hall of Fame but he is not. The NBA HOF is the most difficult to get in.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 14, 2013, 08:53:21 AM
That's why no one outside of NY likes the Yankees. And hardly anyone outside of Miami likes the heat.
I guess that's why their team jerseys are some of the best selling, worldwide! Get out of your bubble dude.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 14, 2013, 11:01:53 AM
What is the correlation of hatred and really good teams? I'm going to say VERY HIGH.
They are under the microscope all the time, anything they say is examined and often twisted or taken out of context. Now, no one is going to argue with you that they bring things on themselves, but so do other NBA teams but no one pays attention or cares because they aren't the Heat...the level of scrutiny is totally different. Lebron sneezes, it's in the news.
One thing that I disagree with people on is the idea that they are selfish for joining a team together. They took a pay cut to do it and they want to win titles, which should be the goal. Too many athletes go for the dollars with the ring as almost an after thought.
The level of hatred depends on the specific team. Other than their rivals and in general, did people hate the dominant 49er teams of the 80s and 90s?
No. The Packer super bowl teams.
No. The Cowboy super bowl teams.
Yes. The difference is that one team had flashy, arrogant players, an arrogant owner and coach and the other teams had generally classy players, coaches and owners. It's not how good the teams are, it's who is on the teams, the team's make up and style of play, coaches owners, etc. Contrary to what you are saying, generally winning teams are well liked and popular. Look at the apparel sales after a team wins a championship.
As far as taking a pay cut, I am not sure about that. Much more exposure in Miami, more endorsements, no state income tax. I am not sure their motives were totally unselfish.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 14, 2013, 11:01:53 AM
What is the correlation of hatred and really good teams? I'm going to say VERY HIGH.
Minus the Cubs, very true . . .
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 14, 2013, 08:53:21 AM
How so? A team like the heat who collected a group of hall of famers, players that planned this at their draft, take the easy way out, which warrants hate and lack of respect. That's why no one outside of NY likes the Yankees. And hardly anyone outside of Miami likes the heat.
First, the idea that Lebron owed Cleveland anything is ridiculous. How many of us still live in our hometown? How many lawyers, economists, doctors, engineers, etc. feel obligated to only pursue professional opportunities in their hometown, or stay with the first organization that hired them. Only in sports do we expect this type of blind professional loyalty. Lebron still does plenty for Akron. He doesn't owe the Cavs or their fans a damn thing.
Second, I can't believe people criticize the Heat for "taking a short cut" by assembling a roster with the best players available. That is simply good business. Why go through the tedious process of finding and developing new talent when you can bring in proven talent? The implication by you and many that the Heat didn't do it "the right way" is ridiculous fan logic.
Finally, the idea that nobody outside Miami likes the Heat is completely ridiculous. I travel regularly and see Wade and James Jerseys all over the country. My thirteen year old neighbor's favorite player is DWade, and I don't live in Florida. Many people love greatness, and many people love the underdog. That's why you see the love and hatred of champs. But make no mistake, Lebron going to Miami created a lot of new Heat fans around the country.
Bottom line, I think your fandom has significantly skewed your perspective.
Of course we can be Proud of Wade. He gave us everything he had while at MU and the fact that he has gone on to be an NBA Superstar only makes his time at MU more relevant. Its not like he used MU on his way to the NBA like I would say the Kentucky one and dones do. He earned it. I'd love it if the Heat wins the title every year that he plays, Enjoy watching him and very proud to say "I knew him when"
I will always root for Dwyane Wade. He's the best player in our program's history, class guy who takes his parenting role very seriously and continues to use his fame to help our school. I was glad to see him have a great game last night, and if he plays at that same level for the rest of the Finals, he'll have his third ring.
Quote from: MUSF on June 14, 2013, 08:13:46 AM
Besides the pep rally, give me an example of how they make themselves unlikable and display their super arrogance. I understand that one event made the Heat unlikable to many, but that was years ago.
The Heat are no more arrogant than most of the great teams of the last two decades. I find it amusing that people can call the Heat arrogant, dirty, and whiners then turn around and root for the Spurs. Coach P is an arrogant bully, Ginobili is the biggest flopper of all time, and the Spurs big three whine to officials after literally every call against them.
Hear, hear. Arrogance=Kobe Bryant/Dwight Howard, et. al., Arrogance=Boston Celtics (Garnett/Rondo/Pierce); There are arrogant whiners all over the NBA. Heat are a good team, who many people hate for that reason--they are good. If you think James and Wade are arrogant, you are smoking funny things.
Quote from: MUSF on June 14, 2013, 12:21:07 PM
First, the idea that Lebron owed Cleveland anything is ridiculous. How many of us still live in our hometown? How many lawyers, economists, doctors, engineers, etc. feel obligated to only pursue professional opportunities in their hometown, or stay with the first organization that hired them. Only in sports do we expect this type of blind professional loyalty. Lebron still does plenty for Akron. He doesn't owe the Cavs or their fans a damn thing.
Second, I can't believe people criticize the Heat for "taking a short cut" by assembling a roster with the best players available. That is simply good business. Why go through the tedious process of finding and developing new talent when you can bring in proven talent? The implication by you and many that the Heat didn't do it "the right way" is ridiculous fan logic.
Finally, the idea that nobody outside Miami likes the Heat is completely ridiculous. I travel regularly and see Wade and James Jerseys all over the country. My thirteen year old neighbor's favorite player is DWade, and I don't live in Florida. Many people love greatness, and many people love the underdog. That's why you see the love and hatred of champs. But make no mistake, Lebron going to Miami created a lot of new Heat fans around the country.
Bottom line, I think your fandom has significantly skewed your perspective.
Agreed. Especially about the Heat putting a plan together to improve. Those 3 guys all could have gotten max deals but took less to make it happen in Miami. That is not arrogance--that is desire to be the best.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 14, 2013, 11:01:53 AM
One thing that I disagree with people on is the idea that they are selfish for joining a team together. They took a pay cut to do it and they want to win titles, which should be the goal. Too many athletes go for the dollars with the ring as almost an after thought.
I agree with this but I think that, technically, only Wade took the pay cut of the big three. I think Bosh and LBJ have max salaries. Ray Allen took a pay cut...
And by pay cut I mean that Wade is something like $3 million shy of the max deals that Bosh and LBJ have.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 14, 2013, 11:36:08 AM
I really don't understand the hate for LBJ.
I understand the hate for LBJ, although likely misguided. I am an LBJ hater, there that wasn't so hard. I'm sure he is a great guy, does great things for charities, is mild mannered, seems polite...all around nothing to dislike. In fact, him personally I have nothing against.
The problem I have is with the media treatment of him, they have seemingly anointed him the best ever, infallible in basketball. If you just listen to the talking heads (and others here have already commented), Lebron is leading the heat in this series.
Actually watching the games though (and I emphasize watching them closely), Lebron has actually been quite bad. Besides a bucket of points in garbage time of some of the games his scoring is very poor. He has been genuinely bad on defense, albeit a couple splashy blocks that the media fixates on. Watching the games Wade has been the Heat leader, his scoring has been down in the second halves, but he has carried them in the first half of every game.
Another aspect of his game the media neglects is that he is often fairly rigid in their offense. There have been several times this series where Wade has a mismatch along the left baseline corner. The offense is designed to swing back to the right, Lebron never even looks at Wade and often results in a poor shot late in the shot clock as the offense/defense bunches up. Lebron is credited as being very cerebral, I think that is very often a detriment to his play.
So is Lebron a good role model, absolutely, is he a great player, again definitely, do I hate the way the media treats him as "the King", oh god yes. And for that I hate him, as do many others...admittedly misplaced anger, but hey what can I say...
Quote from: forgetful on June 14, 2013, 01:18:34 PM
I understand the hate for LBJ, although likely misguided. I am an LBJ hater, there that wasn't so hard. I'm sure he is a great guy, does great things for charities, is mild mannered, seems polite...all around nothing to dislike. In fact, him personally I have nothing against.
The problem I have is with the media treatment of him, they have seemingly anointed him the best ever, infallible in basketball. If you just listen to the talking heads (and others here have already commented), Lebron is leading the heat in this series.
Actually watching the games though (and I emphasize watching them closely), Lebron has actually been quite bad. Besides a bucket of points in garbage time of some of the games his scoring is very poor. He has been genuinely bad on defense, albeit a couple splashy blocks that the media fixates on. Watching the games Wade has been the Heat leader, his scoring has been down in the second halves, but he has carried them in the first half of every game.
Another aspect of his game the media neglects is that he is often fairly rigid in their offense. There have been several times this series where Wade has a mismatch along the left baseline corner. The offense is designed to swing back to the right, Lebron never even looks at Wade and often results in a poor shot late in the shot clock as the offense/defense bunches up. Lebron is credited as being very cerebral, I think that is very often a detriment to his play.
So is Lebron a good role model, absolutely, is he a great player, again definitely, do I hate the way the media treats him as "the King", oh god yes. And for that I hate him, as do many others...admittedly misplaced anger, but hey what can I say...
Maybe you should hate the media instead. Sounds like that's really what you mean.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on June 14, 2013, 01:28:58 PM
Maybe you should hate the media instead. Sounds like that's really what you mean.
Working on it, its a seven step program. First step was admitting we have a problem.
Quote from: forgetful on June 14, 2013, 01:18:34 PM
The problem I have is with the media treatment of him, they have seemingly anointed him the best ever, infallible in basketball. If you just listen to the talking heads (and others here have already commented), Lebron is leading the heat in this series.
I completely disagree. I can't think of any player of Lebron's stature taking as much criticism as he has. It's certainly died down since last year's title, but there it still happens.
James had a triple double the other night, and many in the media felt he didn't do enough. For years people have been calling him soft, lacking killer instinct, wilting under stress, etc.. If James doesn't single handedly carry the Heat to a championship he will be criticized.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 14, 2013, 09:33:45 AM
The only thing that bothered me about the assembly of the Heat was "The Decision."
As for a team adding stars, that's how championship teams are built.
- Chicago traded for Dennis Rodman
Why is what they did wrong but other champion's moves were just good personnel decisions?
This....I grew up in the south suburbs, then moved to the "region" in the early 80's before college. Biggest Bulls fan pre Jordan, and Jordans first 3 championships. My dad's high school teammate played with the Bulls in the 60's, and my family had season tix in old Chicago Stadium. I completely stopped loving the Bulls when they obtained Rodman, who, while with the Pistons, cheapshotted (yes that is a word) Pippen. Pippen seemed OK playing with Rodman, so I had the epiphany that it's all about the rings, not the fans.
My point? Don't hate on Wade bringing Lebron and fake tough guy Bosh. Commend him for it.
It's all a circle-jerk to keep feeding beast that is the media. It's just like Max Mercy in The Natural..." you see kid whether you win or lose, I'm gonna have me a great story" (or something like that).
Yes, "the media" has annointed James the best thing ever. But, because he's the "best ever", why then - "the media" asks - doesn't he have more rings??!! Why can't LeBron lead teams to more titles? After all, he's the best ever!!!????
See how that works? It's like sports radio.
In addition, it's the NBA too. They have gone all-in on the theory of promoting the player over the team or the game. When you do that, players, not teams get all the attention. And, that's also why so many people don't like the NBA (among a lot of other issues too like race, style of play, etc., but that's another topic for another 48 page thread).
My two cents:
I am a bit (pleasantly) surprised at some of the positive responses to this topic, in this thread. Not that it matters, but, I am not from WI, nor IL, so I don't really have any opinions tied to those geographies. I would like to believe I wouldn't even if I was from one of those geographies.
Anyway, I am more of a casual NBA fan, in that I don't have one team, or, in that my interest intensifies only in some parts throughout the season and post-season. Whereas it is every game for MU. When it comes to MU alums/ties, I always hope for the best for those because of both their contribution to the program, and for the publicity it gives the program moving forward.
I don't pretend in any way to know someone if I don't actually know that person well. That's why I don't get too excited good or bad about a public perception nor media perception of someone. I like both Miami and San Antonio. I do find it easy to root for Dwyane Wade because of his connection to Marquette, as well as his ability as a player. I'm not going to sit here and pretend I know him well, nor Lebron James, etc..I enjoy his talent as a player. I don't really see too much in the unlikable category with either team.
Quote from: muarmy81 on June 14, 2013, 12:46:25 PM
I agree with this but I think that, technically, only Wade took the pay cut of the big three. I think Bosh and LBJ have max salaries. Ray Allen took a pay cut...
And by pay cut I mean that Wade is something like $3 million shy of the max deals that Bosh and LBJ have.
None of them have max deals and Wade's is the least.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 14, 2013, 02:57:36 PM
None of them have max deals and Wade's is the least.
Yes, that is correct. None have max contracts.
Quote from: Victor McCormick on June 14, 2013, 11:08:45 AM
I agree with this.
But I think a big reason for the hatred you ignored was the way Lebron left Cleveland and went to Miami, not so much that they joined up.
I agree that "The Decision" was probably ill advised; though it did earn a noble charity a lot of money.
The pep rally also came off as arrogant and over the top, but I honestly don't think you can really hold that against the big three forever. I'm sure they didn't come up with the idea, and I think the comments about championships was just them getting caught up in the moment and the attention.
As far as the Cavs fans; I can't imagine any scenario where they aren't pissed off. Consider the following examples of stars leaving their team at the peak of their career.
James gave no indication if he was leaving or staying. He says he's leaving - fans pissed.
Melo lets everyone know he is taking off at the end of the season which leads to atrade - fans pissed.
Howard tries to let everyone know that he could leave, but might stay if the Magic make some changes. He says he's leaving - fans pissed.
It's a no win situation.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on June 14, 2013, 01:28:58 PM
Maybe you should hate the media instead. Sounds like that's really what you mean.
Yeah because he wasn't the one who called himself "king james" or got the "chosen one" inked on his back....
Maybe I should go back to my normal life, my everyday job, and my prior existance
No... he doesn't bring it on himself at all..
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on June 14, 2013, 10:26:39 AM
The reason why Bulls fans hate the Heat is that LeBron was reported to be joining the Bulls and at the last minute he played with Miami and Bosch wanted to join with him.
If LeBron joined the Bulls he would have brought Bosch with him and colluded that way but somehow Im sure that wouldnt have been a problem for you. #FIBLogic
No. You couldn't be any further from the truth, my friend. There was never a link to Chicago with LeBron. They saw the signing of Boozer and a way to entice LeBron, but hardly anyone believed LBJ was coming here. Chicago fans hate Miami because they are in the same conference and stand between the bulls and the finals. The same reason why many dislike MJ because many of the greats didn't get rings because of his dominance.
Quote from: jsglow on June 14, 2013, 11:47:00 AM
I'm a Bulls fan and I'd argue that the primary roadblock might be that guy who spent the year in street clothes.
Some fan you are...
How can our franchise player be a roadblock when he made the right decision. But DRose already had his own thread.
To answer the question, DWade is doing work. Great to see him step up and finally hit a groove. With that said, I'm pulling the for the spurs to win the title. But I wish Wade all the best for the rest of his season, since it'll be the last year of the big three.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 14, 2013, 05:42:30 PM
Some fan you are...
How can our franchise player be a roadblock when he made the right decision.
Not according to his doctors.
Quote from: Terror Skink on June 14, 2013, 05:44:40 PM
Not according to his doctors.
If you show 10 doctors an ultrasound of an organ and ask them if there is anything wrong, not all of them will agree. I was happy with his decision. He'll come back to a new team and it'll be a great season. He already had his own thread, so that's all I'll say about derrick
Quote from: MUSF on June 14, 2013, 03:29:46 PM
I agree that "The Decision" was probably ill advised; though it did earn a noble charity a lot of money.
The pep rally also came off as arrogant and over the top, but I honestly don't think you can really hold that against the big three forever. I'm sure they didn't come up with the idea, and I think the comments about championships was just them getting caught up in the moment and the attention.
As far as the Cavs fans; I can't imagine any scenario where they aren't pissed off. Consider the following examples of stars leaving their team at the peak of their career.
James gave no indication if he was leaving or staying. He says he's leaving - fans pissed.
Melo lets everyone know he is taking off at the end of the season which leads to atrade - fans pissed.
Howard tries to let everyone know that he could leave, but might stay if the Magic make some changes. He says he's leaving - fans pissed.
It's a no win situation.
The cavs would resign LBJ in an eyeblink if they could. Don't fool yourself. And guess what? It could happen. LBJ can opt out with the Heat next year.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 14, 2013, 05:56:32 PM
If you show 10 doctors an ultrasound of an organ and ask them if there is anything wrong, not all of them will agree. I was happy with his decision. He'll come back to a new team and it'll be a great season. He already had his own thread, so that's all I'll say about derrick
It had nothing to do with an ultrasound. It had to do with getting back on the court to complete the rehab process. When I had knee surgery, the doctor and physical therapist told me to do things I wasn't sure I could do, but I did them because it was an important step in the process. Rose should have done the same thing.
Quote from: Terror Skink on June 14, 2013, 07:06:41 PM
It had nothing to do with an ultrasound. It had to do with getting back on the court to complete the rehab process. When I had knee surgery, the doctor and physical therapist told me to do things I wasn't sure I could do, but I did them because it was an important step in the process. Rose should have done the same thing.
The ultrasound was an example of doctors not always right. And glad to hear you got back from your injury alright, but you aren't a franchise point guard who is making 18 million a year with his knees. His knees are his tools and he needs them to do his job and have a career. That's why they limit pitchers coming back from Tommy John surgery. I'd rather have rose strengthen his surgically repaired knee over the summer as opposed to having him come back and be hesitant.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 14, 2013, 07:40:35 PM
The ultrasound was an example of doctors not always right. And glad to hear you got back from your injury alright, but you aren't a franchise point guard who is making 18 million a year with his knees. His knees are his tools and he needs them to do his job and have a career. That's why they limit pitchers coming back from Tommy John surgery. I'd rather have rose strengthen his surgically repaired knee over the summer as opposed to having him come back and be hesitant.
Unless you are a doctor, your opinion on the matter means less to me then...well... HIS ACTUAL DOCTOR'S!
Perhaps you sure be a little less opinionated.
Quote from: Terror Skink on June 14, 2013, 07:56:58 PM
Unless you are a doctor, your opinion on the matter means less to me then...well... HIS ACTUAL DOCTOR'S!
Perhaps you sure be a little less opinionated.
Perhaps you should be a little more open minded.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 14, 2013, 07:40:35 PM
The ultrasound was an example of doctors not always right. And glad to hear you got back from your injury alright, but you aren't a franchise point guard who is making 18 million a year with his knees. His knees are his tools and he needs them to do his job and have a career. That's why they limit pitchers coming back from Tommy John surgery. I'd rather have rose strengthen his surgically repaired knee over the summer as opposed to having him come back and be hesitant.
BTW, "strengthening the knee over the summer" simply delays the final stage of the rehab process - playing on it. His knee was strong enough already. I mean, he could wait two more years...and still will have to take that last step in the process.
Quote from: Terror Skink on June 14, 2013, 08:19:18 PM
BTW, "strengthening the knee over the summer" simply delays the final stage of the rehab process - playing on it. His knee was strong enough already. I mean, he could wait two more years...and still will have to take that last step in the process.
Unless you are a doctor, your opinion on this subject means very little to me.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 14, 2013, 08:30:16 PM
Unless you are a doctor, your opinion on this subject means very little to me.
Not my opinion...just saying what the doctors have been saying.
I guess that means "I win."
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 14, 2013, 07:40:35 PM
The ultrasound was an example of doctors not always right. And glad to hear you got back from your injury alright, but you aren't a franchise point guard who is making 18 million a year with his knees. His knees are his tools and he needs them to do his job and have a career. That's why they limit pitchers coming back from Tommy John surgery. I'd rather have rose strengthen his surgically repaired knee over the summer as opposed to having him come back and be hesitant.
The ultrasound is a horrible example. One, in your example it is an inherently vague method of analzying the issue, so doctors are bound to disagree.
That is why there are secondary methods of assaying medical conditions. So that a consensus can be obtained.
The Bulls have access to unlimited medical information and the finest doctors. When they come to a consensus that he is healthy and that he should play, any action to the contrary is a personal decision not a medically guided one.
As you point out Sultan does not make $18 million a year and thus can think of things differently. i agree, if Sultan would like to take months extra to recover, by all means do so.
When you are being paid $18 million and the doctors clear you, you play...If you don't you are being a bad employee, teammate and frankly are selfish.
I am not "proud" of Wade. He is not my kid or a close friend.
I admire his basketball ability and am glad that he apparently is healthy enough to once again play as well as he did Thursday. I also like when one of our Golden Warriors "represents," and few if any have done so on the court better than he has. For those who think he invented whining or staring down opponents or trashtalking, check out old film of Bird, Dominique, Isiah, Barkley, etc.
I am not a Heat fan -- or a Spurs fan, for that matter. I just love seeing great basketball. It's why I really enjoy watching LeBron play. His "decision" was silly but it didn't make me hate him (or like him). All I know is that he is the most fun-to-watch basketballer since Jordan and, by the time he is through, he will be regarded as one of the top five basketball players ever. Hell, he's probably already there.
Quote from: Terror Skink on June 14, 2013, 08:44:21 PM
Not my opinion...just saying what the doctors have been saying.
I guess that means "I win."
Sure? I mean, all I said was that I think he made the right decision. But sure.
He was arguably the biggest piece to our return to relevance. And the fact that he graduated from Marquette still gets us an in with recruits.
I have no team allegiances in the NBA. Can't stand the NBA personally. I cheer for Marquette alumni because it will help our team. Wade and Butler are the two most important alumni Marquette currently has, if we want our school to do well, we need to cheer for them to do well.
Quote from: Analytical Eagle on June 15, 2013, 03:43:19 AM
He was arguably the biggest piece to our return to relevance. And the fact that he graduated from Marquette still gets us an in with recruits.
I have no team allegiances in the NBA. Can't stand the NBA personally. I cheer for Marquette alumni because it will help our team. Wade and Butler are the two most important alumni Marquette currently has, if we want our school to do well, we need to cheer for them to do well.
No love for Matthews?
Quote from: forgetful on June 14, 2013, 08:47:57 PM
The ultrasound is a horrible example. One, in your example it is an inherently vague method of analzying the issue, so doctors are bound to disagree.
That is why there are secondary methods of assaying medical conditions. So that a consensus can be obtained.
The Bulls have access to unlimited medical information and the finest doctors. When they come to a consensus that he is healthy and that he should play, any action to the contrary is a personal decision not a medically guided one.
As you point out Sultan does not make $18 million a year and thus can think of things differently. i agree, if Sultan would like to take months extra to recover, by all means do so.
When you are being paid $18 million and the doctors clear you, you play...If you don't you are being a bad employee, teammate and frankly are selfish.
Without looking up all of the details, his PHYSICIANS cleared him to play. And when PHYSICIANS clear someone to play, here is what happens: D Rose shows up at the newish Midwest Ortho building next to Rush to see the PHYSICIAN. The PHYSICIAN, looking at a report from the athletic trainer, physical therapist, etc, moves D Rose's knee around, does a Lachmann test, maybe has him perform a quadriceps set. At this point, the PHYSICIAN says, your knee looks good, you are good to go (based on a timeline based on thousands of patients). So do you trust the PHYSICIAN to clear you back to playing a sport at world class level?
I'm overstating what probably happens, but this really happens on 99% of all return to play decisions. Surgeons do a wonderful job of putting people back together, but frankly they have no business (literally) in the rehabilitation process or decisions on return to play. Those should be left to rehabilitation professionals (again athletic trainers or physical therapists) who work with these people multiple times per week. So when D Rose is cleared by his doctor, it really means nothing to me. It's what he looks like on the court, what his functional measures are that is way more important. Unfortunately, 99% of us have no idea what those things are and are left to speculate on what actually is going on.
It's stupid to argue anyway. The Bulls weren't going to beat the Heat with Rose anyway.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 14, 2013, 08:49:56 AM
So your hater's head will explode if the Blackhawks win?
I don't hate the Blackhawks.
Quote from: Victor McCormick on June 14, 2013, 11:08:45 AM
I agree with this.
But I think a big reason for the hatred you ignored was the way Lebron left Cleveland and went to Miami, not so much that they joined up.
Not trying to ignore it....especially since both my parents are from Cleveland and I have tons of family back there. That city can't catch a break. He got some bad advice with the whole Decision thing, but generally I find Lebron to be a decent bloak considering the attention he gets. He's generally unselfish on the court, gets his teammates involved (for which he is persecuted by the experts).
He's a free agent after next season. Watch how many haters become suitors during the process. The hypocrisy will be delicious, especially out here in L.A. where they can't stand the guy but will sell their left nut to get him so the bandwagon can reload. LOL
Quote from: Analytical Eagle on June 15, 2013, 03:43:19 AM
He was arguably the biggest piece to our return to relevance. And the fact that he graduated from Marquette still gets us an in with recruits.
I have no team allegiances in the NBA. Can't stand the NBA personally. I cheer for Marquette alumni because it will help our team. Wade and Butler are the two most important alumni Marquette currently has, if we want our school to do well, we need to cheer for them to do well.
Did he graduate?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 15, 2013, 11:04:30 AM
I find Lebron to be a decent bloak
I hear he is a decent bloke, too
Quote from: MUSF on June 15, 2013, 08:29:31 AM
No love for Matthews?
I love Matthews but Wade is a superstar and Butler plays for a winning team in the heart of our recruiting territory. Both can do more for us in terms of recruiting than Matthews can.
Quote from: Analytical Eagle on June 15, 2013, 09:49:51 PM
I love Matthews but Wade is a superstar and Butler plays for a winning team in the heart of our recruiting territory. Both can do more for us in terms of recruiting than Matthews can.
Makes sense.
Quote from: Analytical Eagle on June 15, 2013, 09:49:51 PM
I love Matthews but Wade is a superstar and Butler plays for a winning team in the heart of our recruiting territory. Both can do more for us in terms of recruiting than Matthews can.
Mathews really helped with Blue and I've seen him at several games. JFB will probably help down the line. I see Wade linked much more with Crean/IU than Marquette these days (mostly by Crean). Who has he helped us get in the last 5 years?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 15, 2013, 10:04:18 PM
Mathews really helped with Blue and I've seen him at several games. JFB will probably help down the line. I see Wade linked much more with Crean/IU than Marquette these days (mostly by Crean). Who has he helped us get in the last 5 years?
I would think Mathews choosing MU over UW, getting shunned by his hometown, then getting the last laugh by having such a successful career is helpful to in-state recruiting. He kind of reconfirmed that it's okay to stay in-state and pick MU over UW.
Quote from: MUSF on June 15, 2013, 10:35:30 PM
I would think Mathews choosing MU over UW, getting shunned by his hometown, then getting the last laugh by having such a successful career is helpful to in-state recruiting. He kind of reconfirmed that it's okay to stay in-state and pick MU over UW.
Agree 100%
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 15, 2013, 11:02:24 PM
Agree 100%
Have not heard that Mathews was instrumental in getting Blue for us. I always thought it was Buzz.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 15, 2013, 11:06:18 PM
Have not heard that Mathews was instrumental in getting Blue for us. I always thought it was Buzz.
Well, then you just heard it.
How is this thread this long. Haven't read any of it. Be proud of whoever the f you want and don't give a crap what message board people think.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on June 14, 2013, 02:23:01 PM
It's just like Max Mercy in The Natural..." you see kid whether you win or lose, I'm gonna have me a great story" (or something like that).
The Natural was one of the great works of 20th Century American Literature. Bernard Malamud and Saul Bellow were exceptional writers who provided a unique alternative view into the mid-century American experience. Malamud was perhaps the most qualified to provide insight into that most conspicuously American characteristic – The Second Chance.
Growing up in the squalid Jewish tenements of Brooklyn, Malamud was keenly aware of the scorn, antipathy, and animus the Gentile world held for his people. In particular, he was deeply affected by stories of anti-Semitic pogroms in Tsarist Russia which he served as the inspiration for his masterwork, The Fixer.
But with The Natural, Malamud embraced the innocence and acceptance that was America Coming of Age and baseball provided him the perfect vehicle for a New World Redemption story. Malamud genuinely loved baseball for its unabashed iconic Americanism. He invested in Roy Hobbs the hopes, dreams, and aspirations of yet another forlorn limb of the diaspora. And in true Jewish sardonic fatalism Hobbs proves to be all too human and defaults on the promise of that most precious of gifts - another opportunity.
Malamud borrowed generously from baseball's pre-war Golden Era. Max Mercy was clearly Ring Lardner, while Judge Banner is Charles Comiskey, and The Whammer is Babe Ruth. Hollywood made a movie that is only loosely based on the book. The point of Roy Hobbs is a cynical take on Man's Imperfection. Malamud's character was imbued with a substantial degree of human frailty and those salacious appetites would ultimately consume him. Robert Redford turned Hobbs into a sophisticated and much too clever WASP who had learned from the past and was therefore impervious to Temptation. Redford's Hobbs triumphed over all adversities and in fulfilling his destiny became the latest apologue in the American allegory.
What are you talking [typing] about?
Get real.
Dwayne Wade is MU Basketball...to many. A godsend to this University. If he does not take this team to where he did in 2003, everything else is irrelevant today.
Every game he is on National TV and every time he is introduce and every ring he wins, MU is mentioned and benefits in some form or fashion in way you can't even calculate.
Please don't get me started. I am in a good mood. Don't rail on Wade to me. He is the man. You're not perfect either. He is...as far as a basketball player to me.
Next silly question.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 15, 2013, 11:06:18 PM
Have not heard that Mathews was instrumental in getting Blue for us. I always thought it was Buzz.
No Wesley was. And now Vander hopes he can be like Wesley and make some teams Summer League team and get a training camp invite.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 15, 2013, 11:07:19 AM
Did he graduate?
Yes he did....he graduated into the NBA. Then to an NBA Finals and won it.
That is all that matters now.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 15, 2013, 10:04:18 PM
Mathews really helped with Blue and I've seen him at several games. JFB will probably help down the line. I see Wade linked much more with Crean/IU than Marquette these days (mostly by Crean). Who has he helped us get in the last 5 years?
Is this a serious question? You're ignoring the big picture part....the part about the fact he went to MU, helped make MU viable again and put us in the conversation with recruits without him ever having to say one thing to any recruit. Halo effect or whatever you want to call it.
Besides, you're encroaching on dangerous territory in terms of what a MU booster (which Matthews, JFB, Wade, etc, all are) can say to a recruit to potentially get them to MU.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 15, 2013, 10:04:18 PM
Mathews really helped with Blue and I've seen him at several games. JFB will probably help down the line. I see Wade linked much more with Crean/IU than Marquette these days (mostly by Crean). Who has he helped us get in the last 5 years?
I think that is a pretty ridiculous statement. Wade is first, foremost and by a large margin, linked with MU over IU. That is like saying Danny Manning is linked with SMU because Larry Brown coached him at Kansas.
Quote from: Terror Skink on June 16, 2013, 09:08:03 AM
I think that is a pretty ridiculous statement. Wade is first, foremost and by a large margin, linked with MU over IU. That is like saying Danny Manning is linked with SMU because Larry Brown coached him at Kansas.
When he was interviewed and asked about a potential Marquette vs Indiana matchup in the elite 8. He said he wouldn't have a team that he'd be rooting for. Doesn't sound like he's about Marquette "first and foremost by a large margin"
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 16, 2013, 09:19:06 AM
When he was interviewed and asked about a potential Marquette vs Indiana matchup in the elite 8. He said he wouldn't have a team that he'd be rooting for. Doesn't sound like he's about Marquette "first and foremost by a large margin"
Looking at Wade hold up a Marquette jersey during the NBA All-Star game cheering on Steve Novak, looking at Wade tweet about MU consistently even against University of Miami (where he lives and plays ball), his financial contributions to MU, etc, etc.
He has put MU first and foremost.
I'm not saying he didn't say what you claim, but I would like to see a link to get the context. Could be as simple as "it would be a difficult game for me to watch because I love my school and love my former coach...". Who knows.....I know that makes heads explode around here for about 10 people whenever Diener, Novak, Wade, etc, etc stand by their coach, but that's not going to change.
EDIT:
Here's what he said. Clearly, a win win situation for him. See nothing wrong with it.
Asked what his rooting choice would have been had Indiana advanced to play Marquette, Wade said, "You know what? I wouldn't have had one. I was in a win-win situation if that would have happened. When Indiana got that draw against Syracuse, I knew it was going to be a tough one, but I would have been in a win-win situation."
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 16, 2013, 09:19:06 AM
When he was interviewed and asked about a potential Marquette vs Indiana matchup in the elite 8. He said he wouldn't have a team that he'd be rooting for. Doesn't sound like he's about Marquette "first and foremost by a large margin"
Two different things. I said he was "linked" to MU (by the general public, media, etc.)...not where his personal rooting interests lie.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 16, 2013, 09:23:44 AM
Looking at Wade hold up a Marquette jersey during the NBA All-Star game cheering on Steve Novak, looking at Wade tweet about MU consistently even against University of Miami (where he lives and plays ball), his financial contributions to MU, etc, etc.
He has put MU first and foremost.
I'm not saying he didn't say what you claim, but I would like to see a link to get the context. Could be as simple as "it would be a difficult game for me to watch because I love my school and love my former coach...". Who knows.....I know that makes heads explode around here for about 10 people whenever Diener, Novak, Wade, etc, etc stand by their coach, but that's not going to change.
EDIT:
Here's what he said. Clearly, a win win situation for him. See nothing wrong with it.
Asked what his rooting choice would have been had Indiana advanced to play Marquette, Wade said, "You know what? I wouldn't have had one. I was in a win-win situation if that would have happened. When Indiana got that draw against Syracuse, I knew it was going to be a tough one, but I would have been in a win-win situation."
The jersey thing is a teammate thing not an MU thing. Remember what Jabari Parker came up to madness wearing Taylor's Simeon jersey? I don't care that he supports his former coach, I think that shows loyalty and is nice to see in someone associated with MU. But when he can't decide who to root for it seems to me that we shouldn't be saying things like "Wade is MU basketball" like that one guy said.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 16, 2013, 09:33:56 AM
The jersey thing is a teammate thing not an MU thing. Remember what Jabari Parker came up to madness wearing Taylor's Simeon jersey? I don't care that he supports his former coach, I think that shows loyalty and is nice to see in someone associated with MU. But when he can't decide who to root for it seems to me that we shouldn't be saying things like "Wade is MU basketball" like that one guy said.
He's saying it's a win win. When you love something and they're pitted against one another and you know it causes pain for whomever loses, it's tough to choose. You don't care for Crean like he does, thus no conflict for you. For him, there is conflict. That's the difference. He's being honest, good for him. It's a win win. I've seen it out here with guys that played ball at USC or UCLA and their son went to the other school cross town...they love their school and they love their son, so they stay neutral whenever the question is asked by the media. Not that shocking. If Austin Rivers at Duke was going against MU in the NCAA tournament and they asked Doc who he was cheering for...if Doc said his son or "staying out of it", what would the reaction have been here? The reality is that they have conflicts that fans here don't, so you have to view it from their POV, through their lens. And before someone says it's different when it is your son vs your coach, again that's your POV. Wade said TC was a father figure to him since he didn't have one, so all that matters on it is what Wade thinks about it.
I honestly don't know why with the biggest asset we have for MU hoops we find more ways by more people to bang on the guy because he dares to also care for his former coach. Good way to drive him away from the program if you ask me. To the point that last year or whenever it was he felt the need to publicly comment that he loves MU because of all the grief he was getting for wearing IU shorts and helping out his coach at a camp.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 16, 2013, 09:33:56 AM
The jersey thing is a teammate thing not an MU thing. Remember what Jabari Parker came up to madness wearing Taylor's Simeon jersey? I don't care that he supports his former coach, I think that shows loyalty and is nice to see in someone associated with MU. But when he can't decide who to root for it seems to me that we shouldn't be saying things like "Wade is MU basketball" like that one guy said.
Again...you are mixing up two things. When you say "Dwyane Wade" to some random college basketball fan, that person thinks "Marquette,"...not "Indiana."
I also remember seeing Wade on ESPN two years ago pick MU to go the sweet 16, saying something like "gotta go with my school MU". He showed up to Marquette Madness during the lockout. He is way more active than he has to be considering he allowed Marquette to be seen on a national scene again where top 100 recruits started considering again. He set that path, through him Crean helped us get to a major conference, and now we have an amazing coach who can lock up top recruits and develop players and maintain this top of the conference status. Many pieces at work, Wade was and always will be a huge one.
I have to agree with Chicos and Sultan, which is a rare, rare occurrence.
Wade is a big supporter of MU, if it offends you that he still has great respect for Crean and roots for him, get over it. Most players view their coach as a sort of father-like figure. No matter what that person does it is hard to break that bond and you will always root for him.
I'm sure he also views MU as an extended family, which means he roots for them regardless of who the coach/players are.
When family competes against family, its a win-win just as he said, someone is advancing and you are going to be happy for them.
Quote from: Terror Skink on June 16, 2013, 09:08:03 AM
I think that is a pretty ridiculous statement. Wade is first, foremost and by a large margin, linked with MU over IU. That is like saying Danny Manning is linked with SMU because Larry Brown coached him at Kansas.
No, it's not.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 16, 2013, 09:19:06 AM
When he was interviewed and asked about a potential Marquette vs Indiana matchup in the elite 8. He said he wouldn't have a team that he'd be rooting for. Doesn't sound like he's about Marquette "first and foremost by a large margin"
Not true.
He said he would pull for Marquette
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 16, 2013, 09:19:06 AM
When he was interviewed and asked about a potential Marquette vs Indiana matchup in the elite 8. He said he wouldn't have a team that he'd be rooting for. Doesn't sound like he's about Marquette "first and foremost by a large margin"
Source?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 16, 2013, 03:42:41 PM
No, it's not.
Other than committing the great sin of being seen wearing IU shorts (gasp!), how exactly is Dwyane Wade linked with Indiana? Because he has nice things to say about Tom Crean?
Boy, if Buzz leaves, I better never, ever hear Jim Butler or Jae Crowder speak kindly of him. That would make them traitors or something something.
And you're being willfully ignorant if you don't think Dwyane Wade has helped Marquette land recruits over the last five years.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 16, 2013, 05:36:36 PM
Source?
I don't know, Chicos found the interview that I remembered reading just read his quote of it.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 16, 2013, 05:42:29 PM
Other than committing the great sin of being seen wearing IU shorts (gasp!), how exactly is Dwyane Wade linked with Indiana? Because he has nice things to say about Tom Crean?
Boy, if Buzz leaves, I better never, ever hear Jim Butler or Jae Crowder speak kindly of him. That would make them traitors or something something.
And you're being willfully ignorant if you don't think Dwyane Wade has helped Marquette land recruits over the last five years.
I'm not upset about the IU shorts all that much and if you actually read my post I'm clear that it's Tom Crean who's regularly associating himself (and thereby Indiana) with Dwyane, not the other way around.
As for being willfully ignorant about all the recruits Wade has delivered to Marquette in the last 5 years, I don't think it's willful on my part but I am ignorant. Who are they?
Quote from: Pakuni on June 16, 2013, 05:36:36 PM
Source?
Here's what I found.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-03-29/news/sfl-miami-heat-dwyane-wade-s032293_1_dwyane-wade-new-orleans-hornets-miami-hurricanes
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 16, 2013, 07:16:21 PM
I'm not upset about the IU shorts all that much and if you actually read my post I'm clear that it's Tom Crean who's regularly associating himself (and thereby Indiana) with Dwyane, not the other way around.
As for being willfully ignorant about all the recruits Wade has delivered to Marquette in the last 5 years, I don't think it's willful on my part but I am ignorant. Who are they?
Wade is just as much touting Crean.
As stated earlier, be very careful what you are suggesting in terms of "delivering" recruits. Per NCAA rules, JFB, Wes, etc didn't deliver any either since as boosters they are not allowed to have direct contact with them.
Now, if you go and do a search on certain recruits and they mention MU is the school that went to the Final Four, had Dwyane Wade, plays in the Big East, etc....I think you will find he's had plenty of impact by merely elevating MU to a certain status. Hopefully NONE of our former players are the ultimate reason they go to MU, quite frankly. It should be part of the reason, but not the reason.
I don't think Wes or JFB deliver 500 combined if they show up at the book store, just one of many examples. That's not a swipe at either of those guys...Wes is one of my all-time favorites and how can you not love JFB. But Wade is Wade.
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/091112aaa.html
WTF?!
Wade likes Crean. Crean likes Wade. Get over it!
If either of the above makes you like Wade less, I think your hatred for Crean has reached irrational levels. He isn't the antichrist.
Agree that public/media link is wade to MU. However, also agree that wade still loves and is a big part of creans life. So if a recruit asked wade, wades response if he should play for iu or mu, that would be my personal determinant whether wade was for mu "first and foremost" or not.
Quote from: MUSF on June 16, 2013, 11:14:10 PM
WTF?!
Wade likes Crean. Crean likes Wade. Get over it!
If either of the above makes you like Wade less, I think your hatred for Crean has reached irrational levels. He isn't the antichrist.
Irrational is the name of the game here for some.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 16, 2013, 11:25:26 PM
Irrational is the name of the game here for some.
Indeed. Yea, verily. Indeed.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 16, 2013, 10:00:23 PM
Now, if you go and do a search on certain recruits and they mention MU is the school that went to the Final Four, had Dwyane Wade, plays in the Big East, etc....I think you will find he's had plenty of impact by merely elevating MU to a certain status. Hopefully NONE of our former players are the ultimate reason they go to MU, quite frankly. It should be part of the reason, but not the reason.
Please "go and do a search" of Marquette recruits in the past 5 years who came to MU because of a Final 4 in 2003, NITs in 2004 and 2005, first round NCAA losses in 2005 and 2006 or the round of 32 in 2007. One season doesn't elevate you to a certain status. Sustained, consistent excellence does. Recruits come here to play for Buzz, and the guys without split loyalties (including guys who played for both TC and Buzz like Wes) are way more important to the program than D Wade.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 17, 2013, 08:57:06 AM
Please "go and do a search" of Marquette recruits in the past 5 years who came to MU because of a Final 4 in 2003, NITs in 2004 and 2005, first round NCAA losses in 2005 and 2006 or the round of 32 in 2007. One season doesn't elevate you to a certain status. Sustained, consistent excellence does. Recruits come here to play for Buzz, and the guys without split loyalties (including guys who played for both TC and Buzz like Wes) are way more important to the program than D Wade.
I agree. 1) not the same coach almost every recruit has said that they remember Buzz not talking about basketball but about life and stuff 2) these kids were like 8 or 9 at the time and while they are basketball phenoms I highly doubt they associate Wade with MU. 3) there was so much time between wade (I suppose add in deiner and Novak) and the year Lazar got drafted that nobody is going to consider those previous 3 part of our recent consistent success at getting players in.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 16, 2013, 09:56:49 PM
Here's what I found.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-03-29/news/sfl-miami-heat-dwyane-wade-s032293_1_dwyane-wade-new-orleans-hornets-miami-hurricanes
So Dwyane found himself "conflicted" when Marquette played Miami? Really? Can you imagine JFB being conflicted when MU plays DePaul? Jae when the Warriors play SMU? Wes (or even LW) when we play Portland? I can't.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 17, 2013, 10:46:17 AM
So Dwyane found himself "conflicted" when Marquette played Miami? Really? Can you imagine JFB being conflicted when MU plays DePaul? Jae when the Warriors play SMU? Wes (or even LW) when we play Portland? I can't.
Or Novak when we play St Johns
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 17, 2013, 10:46:17 AM
So Dwyane found himself "conflicted" when Marquette played Miami? Really? Can you imagine JFB being conflicted when MU plays DePaul? Jae when the Warriors play SMU? Wes (or even LW) when we play Portland? I can't.
If any of those of MU players had been the star player on their NBA team for the past 10 years then they would absolutely be saying those same things. It's all about marketing. If Cal and Wisconsin played in the Rose Bowl, Aaron Rodgers would say that he was conflicted about who to cheer for, but you know that he'd be sitting in his living room cheering like hell for Cal. You don't want to alienate any part of your home fanbase.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 17, 2013, 10:46:17 AM
So Dwyane found himself "conflicted" when Marquette played Miami? Really? Can you imagine JFB being conflicted when MU plays DePaul? Jae when the Warriors play SMU? Wes (or even LW) when we play Portland? I can't.
Give each of those kids a decade in a town where they've become a living legend and a cultural institution for the city and then we could have a valid conversation on these perceived wrongs perpetrated by the greatest player in our program's history.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 16, 2013, 07:16:21 PM
I'm not upset about the IU shorts all that much and if you actually read my post I'm clear that it's Tom Crean who's regularly associating himself (and thereby Indiana) with Dwyane, not the other way around.
As for being willfully ignorant about all the recruits Wade has delivered to Marquette in the last 5 years, I don't think it's willful on my part but I am ignorant. Who are they?
Well now, you've entirely changed the parameters of the discussion. You went from saying Wade hasn't "helped" land any recruits to Wade hasn't "delivered" any recruits. There's a pretty wide gulf between the two, and I'm not sure I can think of any current or former player who "delivered" a recruit.
What I do know is that every time Wade appears on ESPN, makes an all-star team, appears in a Gatorade ad, etc., he's helping to sell the MU brand to recruits. Every time a recruit walks into the Am and sees big photos of future hall of famer Dwyane Wade in a Marquette uniform, that helps recruiting.
It's just unimaginable to me that someone would suggest Dwyane Wade doesn't help MU recruit.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on June 17, 2013, 11:10:16 AM
Give each of those kids a decade in a town where they've become a living legend and a cultural institution for the city and then we could have a valid conversation on these perceived wrongs perpetrated by the greatest player in our program's history.
You and Stache make a valid point. Dwyane's standing in the community sets him apart. That said, I don't think anyone in Miami would have objected if Wade had said "Miami's a great team and I love them but I'm a Marquette guy". Think Magic Johnson is conflicted when Michigan State plays UCLA? I don't, and I don't think he would sugar coat it.
Okay lets end this nonsense.
If you want to cheer against the best player to ever wear the Marquette Jersey feel free to do so....But beware that you will look like a total Tool.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 17, 2013, 11:38:57 AM
Well now, you've entirely changed the parameters of the discussion. You went from saying Wade hasn't "helped" land any recruits to Wade hasn't "delivered" any recruits. There's a pretty wide gulf between the two, and I'm not sure I can think of any current or former player who "delivered" a recruit.
What I do know is that every time Wade appears on ESPN, makes an all-star team, appears in a Gatorade ad, etc., he's helping to sell the MU brand to recruits. Every time a recruit walks into the Am and sees big photos of future hall of famer Dwyane Wade in a Marquette uniform, that helps recruiting.
It's just unimaginable to me that someone would suggest Dwyane Wade doesn't help MU recruit.
Wade is surely a positive to the Marquette brand, so it that sense you can say that he helps Marquette. But I'd be really surprised (shocked) to hear that was the difference maker in any of our recruits in the last 5 years. I think players who have played for our present coach and players who had or developed a personal relationship with recruits are infinitely more important than a Gatorade ad featuring a guy who was at MU 10 years ago. I think that kind of help is minimal, in the end beside the point.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on June 17, 2013, 11:57:56 AM
Okay lets end this nonsense.
If you want to cheer against the best player to ever wear the Marquette Jersey feel free to do so....But beware that you will look like a total Tool.
I don't root against Wade, so you're wrong on that point. As for looking like a tool, Nate, I'll consider the source and feel pretty comfortable.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on June 17, 2013, 11:57:56 AM
Okay lets end this nonsense.
If you want to cheer against the best player to ever wear the Marquette Jersey feel free to do so....But beware that you will look like a total Tool.
Why does it have to be either/or? I'll cheer for Wade to score in bunches and for the Spurs to win convincingly. That seems like a reasonable path to me.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 17, 2013, 08:57:06 AM
Please "go and do a search" of Marquette recruits in the past 5 years who came to MU because of a Final 4 in 2003, NITs in 2004 and 2005, first round NCAA losses in 2005 and 2006 or the round of 32 in 2007. One season doesn't elevate you to a certain status. Sustained, consistent excellence does. Recruits come here to play for Buzz, and the guys without split loyalties (including guys who played for both TC and Buzz like Wes) are way more important to the program than D Wade.
You're right, none of them mention the tradition, the Final Four, D-Wade, others in the NBA. None of them. Makes you wonder why Buzz didn't take the SMU job, then, because tradition, players in the NBA, Final Four appearances, etc, apparently mean nothing.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 17, 2013, 10:46:17 AM
So Dwyane found himself "conflicted" when Marquette played Miami? Really? Can you imagine JFB being conflicted when MU plays DePaul? Jae when the Warriors play SMU? Wes (or even LW) when we play Portland? I can't.
You have such a myopic point of view on this and clearly you don't walk in his shoes....and it's telling. I gave you other examples of UCLA and USC former players with their kids going to the opposite school. Who would Doc Rivers cheer for with Austin vs Marquette? Etc, etc. I don't know what this is even a remote leap for you, but apparently it is. Puzzling, to put it mildly. Did Wes Matthews mom cheer for Marquette or Wisconsin in the MU-UW game? She's a UW-alum remember. I'm betting dollars to donuts she cheered for Marquette.
Your examples above are PREPOSTEROUS. Did JFB's father figure coach move over to DePaul? Did Jae's move to SMU? No. Thus your examples are PREPOSTEROUS.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 17, 2013, 01:56:34 PM
You have such a myopic point of view on this and clearly you don't walk in his shoes....and it's telling. I gave you other examples of UCLA and USC former players with their kids going to the opposite school. Who would Doc Rivers cheer for with Austin vs Marquette? Etc, etc. I don't know what this is even a remote leap for you, but apparently it is. Puzzling, to put it mildly. Did Wes Matthews mom cheer for Marquette or Wisconsin in the MU-UW game? She's a UW-alum remember. I'm betting dollars to donuts she cheered for Marquette.
Your examples above are PREPOSTEROUS. Did JFB's father figure coach move over to DePaul? Did Jae's move to SMU? No. Thus your examples are PREPOSTEROUS.
Was one of Wade's sons playing for the Hurricanes last season? I didn't realize they were that old. Also, who knew that Jim Larranaga was D-Wade's father figure!
What is this thread even talking about at this point?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 17, 2013, 01:56:34 PM
You have such a myopic point of view on this and clearly you don't walk in his shoes....and it's telling. I gave you other examples of UCLA and USC former players with their kids going to the opposite school. Who would Doc Rivers cheer for with Austin vs Marquette? Etc, etc. I don't know what this is even a remote leap for you, but apparently it is. Puzzling, to put it mildly. Did Wes Matthews mom cheer for Marquette or Wisconsin in the MU-UW game? She's a UW-alum remember. I'm betting dollars to donuts she cheered for Marquette.
Your examples above are PREPOSTEROUS. Did JFB's father figure coach move over to DePaul? Did Jae's move to SMU? No. Thus your examples are PREPOSTEROUS.
You did give those examples. They are dumb examples. The city and university of Miami are not Wade's kid. Neither is Tom Crean. Not only would it be OK for Wade to root for his kid against ANYBODY, it would be ridiculous to expect anything else.
PREPOSTEROUS? I'll give you PREPOSTEROUS. It's when someone is absurd enough to compare being "conflicted" when the university in the town you live in plays your alma mater to your child playing against your alma mater. That's putting an extremely low value on a child. Comparing a child to a former coach isn't quite as ridiculous, but it's close.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 17, 2013, 09:53:53 AM
I agree. 1) not the same coach almost every recruit has said that they remember Buzz not talking about basketball but about life and stuff 2) these kids were like 8 or 9 at the time and while they are basketball phenoms I highly doubt they associate Wade with MU. 3) there was so much time between wade (I suppose add in deiner and Novak) and the year Lazar got drafted that nobody is going to consider those previous 3 part of our recent consistent success at getting players in.
I know 15 and 16 year olds that when you mention Marquette, immediately say, oh Wade's school (this is 1500 miles from Wisconsin), so they absolutely associate Wade with MU.
More importantly when they think of MU they immediately think of Wade. These are people that may not be able to tell you where MU is, but know of it solely because of Wade.
If a recruit was deciding between mu and iu and he asked wade, what do we think his answer would be? Should we care?
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 17, 2013, 09:53:53 AM
I agree. 1) not the same coach almost every recruit has said that they remember Buzz not talking about basketball but about life and stuff 2) these kids were like 8 or 9 at the time and while they are basketball phenoms I highly doubt they associate Wade with MU. 3) there was so much time between wade (I suppose add in deiner and Novak) and the year Lazar got drafted that nobody is going to consider those previous 3 part of our recent consistent success at getting players in.
1) Buzz isn't in those recruits' houses to talk about life if not for the bball tradition and recent success at MU.
Think of it this way, a recruit has a bunch of schools calling him, let's say Valpo, UIC, Southern Illinois, Iowa, Iowa State, Illinois, DePaul, Butler, and MU are pursuing him the hardest. He looks at that list and has to decide which school he wants to hear more from. What do you think he is considering when he makes that decision? You don't think the fact that he knows DWade and JB went there doesn't factor in? The final fours and recent tourney success doesn't have an impact? Buzz's life lessons might seal the deal, but bball success, to include our pro alums, gets him in the door.
2) I would bet otherwise. Besides, you can bet MU is reminding them about Wade and all of our other pros.
3) I wouldn't call it so much time. The bottom line is that MU has a pretty respectable number of pros and an even better record of getting players drafted in recent years. You can bet that MU coaches use this to distinguish our program from others.
Relax, folks. Soon enough Wade will be old and retired and his father figure will no longer have so much time for him. The higher Oladipo goes, the less love for Wade there will be. :-\
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 17, 2013, 09:22:45 PM
Relax, folks. Soon enough Wade will be old and retired and his father figure will no longer have so much time for him. The higher Oladipo goes, the less love for Wade there will be. :-\
Considering the relationship he has to this day with the Flinstones and others from his MSU days....highly doubt it.
I have not been reading this thread and have no idea what is going on...
BUT!!!
I just found proof (completely unscientific) that people in chicago do not hate the heat more than any other contender.
http://espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=frontpage&pollId=3755315 (http://espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=frontpage&pollId=3755315)
Here are the % of fans, from states with a good eastern conference team, 'rooting' for the heat:
Bulls: 31
Nicks: 42
Boston: 28
Pacers:34
Pretty sure that we(like everyone else) hate them because they beat us in close series. Not because we didn't get a player many years ago.
Side note:
Thunder: 24
Texas: 32
Most states with garbage teams are close to 50-50.
Quote from: RawdogDX on June 19, 2013, 08:10:30 PM
Pretty sure that we(like everyone else) hate them because they beat us in close series. Not because we didn't get a player many years ago.
I'm sure that hatred for the Heat couldn't possibly cloud certain fans' judgment of a certain player they used to like.
Quote from: MUSF on June 19, 2013, 08:58:48 PM
I'm sure that hatred for the Heat couldn't possibly cloud certain fans' judgment of a certain player they used to like.
Cloud usually implies that we don't know about it. People have no problem hating duke. No problem hating the Yankees. No problem hating any dynasty when they cheer for a team that is a contender. This isn't some sort of mystery. If your team is high caliber, and there is a dynasty, you hate the dynasty. If you don't, then you aren't a good fan. If the bucks won 58 games and took the heat to 7 in the conference finals, half of you would say the same thing.* And if the bulls won 30, we wouldn't hate the heat.
*Please don't tell me how you don't care about the bucks. It's cause they suck. I watched WI-ites claim the same thing about the brewers and then change their stripes as soon as they win a few game.
I don't think we give DWade enough credit for his marketing abilities. He told a Miami newspaper that he was conflicted, knowing full well that there were many more Miami fans than MU fans reading that newspaper. He also appeared on the BTN Journey this winter and said he would also be conflicted if IU played Marquette. Dwyane knows that more IU fans than Marquette fans watch The Journey. I'm sure if the Milwaukee reports came calling to Dwyane before the Miami game, he would have said how proud he was of his old team, etc..
As for recruiting, Dwyane helps, sure. JFB, in my opinion, is much more important. Right now, we are not getting Andrew Wiggins or Jabari Parker to come to MU. But, Buzz can sell JFB as a guy who was rated lower than you, #50 ranked prospect, and in 4 years you can have a degree and start in the 2nd round of the NBA playoffs, 2 years later.
Quote from: RawdogDX on June 19, 2013, 10:29:43 PM
Cloud usually implies that we don't know about it. People have no problem hating duke. No problem hating the Yankees. No problem hating any dynasty when they cheer for a team that is a contender. This isn't some sort of mystery. If your team is high caliber, and there is a dynasty, you hate the dynasty. If you don't, then you aren't a good fan. If the bucks won 58 games and took the heat to 7 in the conference finals, half of you would say the same thing.* And if the bulls won 30, we wouldn't hate the heat.
*Please don't tell me how you don't care about the bucks. It's cause they suck. I watched WI-ites claim the same thing about the brewers and then change their stripes as soon as they win a few game.
Many Bulls fans here also are some of the most vocal Wade detractors here. If you have the audacity to wonder if those two things are possibly related to each other, they will adamantly deny it. So yes, I'm implying that apparently they don't know about the impact their anti-Heat bias is having on their opinion of DWade.
BTW, I am not a Wisconsinite, nor a Bucks fan. I feel like I have to say this a lot.
Dear fellow bulls fans.
We all hate the heat due to them beating us in close play off series. I just found out from MUSF, that we are unaware that hating a team can cause us to dislike players on that team. Apparently we are the stupidest people alive. We are soooo dumb that we can't see this obvious fact. We all think that if wade played for our favorite team or our worst enemy that we'd feel the exact same way about him. MUSF is right, we must stop this. OBVIOUSLY, you will feel differently about people who play for a rival, your own team or some random team that you never think about. Why can't we get this completely obvious fact through our amazingly thick sculls? Lets all thank MUSF for pointing out this fact that is completely overlooked by every single member of our fan base.
Back to my initial point. More proof that other states, with a good basketball team hate the heat an equal amount as IL.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/9403250/heat-fans-lack-faith-disturbing (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/9403250/heat-fans-lack-faith-disturbing)
Quote from: RawdogDX on June 20, 2013, 12:54:35 AM
Dear fellow bulls fans.
We all hate the heat due to them beating us in close play off series. I just found out from MUSF, that we are unaware that hating a team can cause us to dislike players on that team. Apparently we are the stupidest people alive. We are soooo dumb that we can't see this obvious fact. We all think that if wade played for our favorite team or our worst enemy that we'd feel the exact same way about him. MUSF is right, we must stop this. OBVIOUSLY, you will feel differently about people who play for a rival, your own team or some random team that you never think about. Why can't we get this completely obvious fact through our amazingly thick sculls? Lets all thank MUSF for pointing out this fact that is completely overlooked by every single member of our fan base.
Back to my initial point. More proof that other states, with a good basketball team hate the heat an equal amount as IL.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/9403250/heat-fans-lack-faith-disturbing (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/9403250/heat-fans-lack-faith-disturbing)
I know your response is sarcastic, but it shouldn't be. Check out the "Sick of Wade" thread; many of your fellow Bulls fans are adamant that their negative opinion of Wade has nothing to do with their love of the Bulls.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=38870.0
Quote from: MUSF on June 20, 2013, 01:08:14 AM
I know your response is sarcastic, but it shouldn't be. Check out the "Sick of Wade" thread; many of your fellow Bulls fans are adamant that their negative opinion of Wade has nothing to do with their love of the Bulls.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=38870.0
For more fun, I'll bet if you go back to when Wade was a free agent and then his decision to stay would be interesting to see the commentary here as well.
It's not shocking, fans of sports teams are the biggest hypocrites going....it's part of the deal. For good or bad.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 20, 2013, 01:11:13 AM
For more fun, I'll bet if you go back to when Wade was a free agent and then his decision to stay would be interesting to see the commentary here as well.
It's not shocking, fans of sports teams are the biggest hypocrites going....it's part of the deal. For good or bad.
You haven't spent time in the PNW. Mariners fans are pretty benign if not blasé. Years of mediocrity have not yet jaded the faithful.
Quote from: keefe on June 20, 2013, 04:32:53 AM
You haven't spent time in the PNW. Mariners fans are pretty benign if not blasé. Years of mediocrity have not yet jaded the faithful.
Yes, but now you're bringing living standards into the equation. Which is a slippery slope to condescension.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on June 20, 2013, 09:30:24 AM
Yes, but now you're bringing living standards into the equation. Which is a slippery slope to condescension.
Living standards?
Quote from: MUSF on June 20, 2013, 01:08:14 AM
I know your response is sarcastic, but it shouldn't be. Check out the "Sick of Wade" thread; many of your fellow Bulls fans are adamant that their negative opinion of Wade has nothing to do with their love of the Bulls.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=38870.0
I'm sure their are SOME Bull's fans/MU alums angry with Wade for staying with the Heat and they're looking for excuses to put him down. There are also SOME MU fans/alums (yourself?) who will always ignore or excuse Wade's bad behavior. The third category of MU fans still love Dwyane and support him but are nonetheless troubled by some of his on the court shenanigans. I choose door # 3.
Quote from: RawdogDX on June 20, 2013, 12:54:35 AM
Dear fellow bulls fans.
We all hate the heat due to them beating us in close play off series. I just found out from MUSF, that we are unaware that hating a team can cause us to dislike players on that team. Apparently we are the stupidest people alive. We are soooo dumb that we can't see this obvious fact. We all think that if wade played for our favorite team or our worst enemy that we'd feel the exact same way about him. MUSF is right, we must stop this. OBVIOUSLY, you will feel differently about people who play for a rival, your own team or some random team that you never think about. Why can't we get this completely obvious fact through our amazingly thick sculls? Lets all thank MUSF for pointing out this fact that is completely overlooked by every single member of our fan base.
Back to my initial point. More proof that other states, with a good basketball team hate the heat an equal amount as IL.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/9403250/heat-fans-lack-faith-disturbing (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/9403250/heat-fans-lack-faith-disturbing)
Actually, if you go to the states you find that's not the case.
Illinois, 80% want the Spurs while the nation is at 65%. Illinois is overindexing by a lot. The state of Texas, where San Antonio resides, is at 74%, below that of Illinois. Oklahoma, a border state to Texas, is at 78% Only two states are higher than Illinois, Maine and New Hampshire and the sample size was only a couple hundred votes total, so one vote here or there skews it.
So I think your are selling short what the numbers say about Illinois and Bulls fans.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 20, 2013, 11:37:34 AM
Actually, if you go to the states you find that's not the case.
Illinois, 80% want the Spurs while the nation is at 65%. Illinois is overindexing by a lot. The state of Texas, where San Antonio resides, is at 74%, below that of Illinois. Oklahoma, a border state to Texas, is at 78% Only two states are higher than Illinois, Maine and New Hampshire and the sample size was only a couple hundred votes total, so one vote here or there skews it.
So I think your are selling short what the numbers say about Illinois and Bulls fans.
Texas has 2 other NBA teams, in significantly larger markets, whose fans are likely not rooting for their in-state rival. Similar situation with Oklahoma City. Think Thunder fans are rooting for their conference rival to win a championship?
Also, you left out Indiana which is 78% for SA. Again, a likely instance of fans cheering against their conference rival. Well, either that or Pacers fans don't like that D-Wade is associated with the IU basketball coach. You also left out Massachusetts which is 82% for SA. Maine, Vermont and NH are up there as well. Hmm, I wonder why there is so much Heat-hate in New England.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 20, 2013, 11:44:40 AM
Texas has 2 other NBA teams, in significantly larger markets, whose fans are likely not rooting for their in-state rival. Similar situation with Oklahoma City. Think Thunder fans are rooting for their conference rival to win a championship?
Also, you left out Indiana which is 78% for SA. Again, a likely instance of fans cheering against their conference rival. Well, either that or Pacers fans don't like that D-Wade is associated with the IU basketball coach. You also left out Massachusetts which is 82% for SA. Maine, Vermont and NH are up there as well. Hmm, I wonder why there is so much Heat-hate in New England.
Illinois 80%. Rest of the nation 65%. The numbers are the numbers. Illinois is over-indexing off the charts. I mentioned New England, most of those states had less than 500 votes which means their totals will move one way or the other more due to the small sample size. Am I surprised Indiana is high...the team Miami just beat? Uhm, no.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 20, 2013, 11:51:46 AM
Illinois 80%. Rest of the nation 65%. The numbers are the numbers. Illinois is over-indexing off the charts. I mentioned New England, most of those states had less than 500 votes which means their totals will move one way or the other more due to the small sample size. Am I surprised Indiana is high...the team Miami just beat? Uhm, no.
Rawdog's statement: More proof that other states, with a good basketball team hate the heat an equal amount as IL.
Massachusetts (5,100 votes): 82%
Maine/NH/Vermont combined (1,550 votes): 81%
Illinois (7,770 votes): 80%
Oklahoma (1,300 votes): 80%
Indiana (3,300 votes): 78%
What exactly are you arguing? Your data confirms his point.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 20, 2013, 11:57:39 AM
Rawdog's statement: More proof that other states, with a good basketball team hate the heat an equal amount as IL.
Massachusetts (5,100 votes): 82%
Maine/NH/Vermont combined (1,550 votes): 81%
Illinois (7,770 votes): 80%
Oklahoma (1,300 votes): 80%
Indiana (3,300 votes): 78%
What exactly are you arguing? Your data confirms his point.
don't bring facts and statistics into the discussion!
Quote from: MUSF on June 20, 2013, 01:08:14 AM
I know your response is sarcastic, but it shouldn't be. Check out the "Sick of Wade" thread; many of your fellow Bulls fans are adamant that their negative opinion of Wade has nothing to do with their love of the Bulls.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=38870.0
Not seeing it. Bulls fans repeatedly brought up points that bothered them(whining, dirty, clothing options). But no one ever said that they wouldn't ignore that if he was on their team. No one ever said that the fact that he knocked us out of the playoffs several times didn't play any roll in their sensitivity to the above issue. They just said what about a player on another team made them mad, that doesn't imply that they wouldn't overlook it. All sports fans a hypocrites, all smart ones know that, and no one wants to admit it.
Also, i noticed at least 3 'not a bulls fan' who you never replied to. Seems like a bone to pick.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 20, 2013, 11:57:39 AM
Rawdog's statement: More proof that other states, with a good basketball team hate the heat an equal amount as IL.
Massachusetts (5,100 votes): 82%
Maine/NH/Vermont combined (1,550 votes): 81%
Illinois (7,770 votes): 80%
Oklahoma (1,300 votes): 80%
Indiana (3,300 votes): 78%
What exactly are you arguing? Your data confirms his point.
California 69%....I guess is depends if you view Lakers, Clippers, Warriors as good...all made the playoffs
Tennessee 60%....is Memphis considered good...I would say so
Colorado 61%....Denver Nuggets considered good....I would say so
Maybe its an eastern conference vs western conference thing, but if that's the case why is New York only at 68% vs Illinois at 80%? Georgia only at 60% vs Illinois at 80%? ETc, etc. Hawks and Knicks both made the playoffs...right?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 20, 2013, 04:11:21 PM
California 69%....I guess is depends if you view Lakers, Clippers, Warriors as good...all made the playoffs
Tennessee 60%....is Memphis considered good...I would say so
Colorado 61%....Denver Nuggets considered good....I would say so
Maybe its an eastern conference vs western conference thing, but if that's the case why is New York only at 68% vs Illinois at 80%? Georgia only at 60% vs Illinois at 80%? ETc, etc. Hawks and Knicks both made the playoffs...right?
I'll re-post Rawdog's statement: More proof that
other states, with a good basketball team hate the heat an equal amount as IL.
He didn't say that every state with a respectable NBA team hates the Heat. I listed 4 states/regions with numbers comparable to Illinois, thus proving the fact that, once again, other states with a good basketball team hate the Heat an equal amount to Illinois.
Also, you know damn well it's a conference thing. I know you like to play dumb as an attempt to instigate but this one is a pretty weak effort even for someone as attention-starved as you.
Loud and Proud
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 20, 2013, 11:06:55 PM
I'll re-post Rawdog's statement: More proof that other states, with a good basketball team hate the heat an equal amount as IL.
He didn't say that every state with a respectable NBA team hates the Heat. I listed 4 states/regions with numbers comparable to Illinois, thus proving the fact that, once again, other states with a good basketball team hate the Heat an equal amount to Illinois.
Also, you know damn well it's a conference thing. I know you like to play dumb as an attempt to instigate but this one is a pretty weak effort even for someone as attention-starved as you.
I guess we'll just ignore New York, Georgia...both with Eastern Conference teams, both making the playoffs then.
You can ignore it if you wish, the comments here over the years, etc, show a lot of butt hurt by Bulls fans. The voting in this poll does nothing to dissuade that perception. Maybe it isn't true and it's all unfair. You're right that Rawdog called that out, I'm just taking it a step further and pointing out other states with good teams, some in the Eastern Conference, that for whatever reason come in much differently. Probably a weird coincidence.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/EJGOEjXkElk
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Very proud of Wade!!
https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/mubb
Marquette University on it already.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 20, 2013, 11:30:56 PM
https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/mubb
Marquette University on it already.
On my facebook timeline already. ;D
Quote from: RawdogDX on June 20, 2013, 02:39:38 PM
Not seeing it. Bulls fans repeatedly brought up points that bothered them(whining, dirty, clothing options). But no one ever said that they wouldn't ignore that if he was on their team. No one ever said that the fact that he knocked us out of the playoffs several times didn't play any roll in their sensitivity to the above issue. They just said what about a player on another team made them mad, that doesn't imply that they wouldn't overlook it. All sports fans a hypocrites, all smart ones know that, and no one wants to admit it.
Also, i noticed at least 3 'not a bulls fan' who you never replied to. Seems like a bone to pick.
No bone to pick, and I don't deny that there may be some non-bulls fans that are "sick of Wade". I am still surprised by that, and still wonder if there is some other bias at play (Crean hate, Lebron hate). But, I will certainly concede that some MU fans have objectively observed DWade play, and determined that they are sick of him, disappointed in him, or generally believe that he is the dirtiest whiner in the NBA.
Yes, sports fans are very biased and can be hypocritical, that's why it surprises me that we would start threads bashing our best player ever. We should be the last ones to turn on Wade. The only thing that seems like a reasonable explanation for the Wade bashing here is that some other biases that are stronger than their MU bias.
Wade on ESPN press conference "...being a kid from Marquette University..." ;D
Quote from: newsdrms on June 20, 2013, 11:47:12 PM
Wade on ESPN press conference "...being a kid from Marquette University..." ;D
Making this thread more ridiculous by the second!
Quote from: newsdrms on June 20, 2013, 11:47:12 PM
Wade on ESPN press conference "...being a kid from Marquette University..." ;D
God, I hope so. Fucking clowns who are self righteous pricks trying to tear down the greatest talent our program has witnessed. Know your role, paeans.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on June 21, 2013, 12:02:58 AM
God, I hope so. unnatural carnal knowledgeing clowns who are self righteous pricks trying to tear down the greatest talent our program has witnessed. Know your role, paeans.
+2003
Lebron ESPN conference "....Wade is one of the greatest 2 guards and one of the greatest players in NBA history..."
Magic talking to wade right now on ESPN ".....you are one of the greatest unselfish players I've ever known..." and people here who can't even play basketball are questioning whether we can be proud of Wade.
Quote from: newsdrms on June 21, 2013, 12:13:46 AM
Lebron ESPN conference "....Wade is one of the greatest 2 guards and one of the greatest players in NBA history..."
I guess this will probably not surprise anyone, but I think that is probably true. I think it will be absolutely true when his career is complete.
Magic finishes talking to Wade with the following statement "...you are not only the most unselfish player I've ever known, but the most unselfish person in the phase of the earth I've ever known..." pretty strong statement from Magic. Still people here question his character.
Quote from: MUSF on June 21, 2013, 12:21:26 AM
I guess this will probably not surprise anyone, but I think that is probably true. I think it will be absolutely true when his career is complete.
I'm not Wade bashing here, I'm very happy for him and proud. But no one is going to say bad things about their teammate. With that said, is he a hall of famer? Without a doubt. I think he's a top 7 (2 guard) when all is said and done. High praise from magic and LbJ
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 21, 2013, 12:35:10 AM
I'm not Wade bashing here, I'm very happy for him and proud. But no one is going to say bad things about their teammate. With that said, is he a hall of famer? Without a doubt. I think he's a top 7 when all is said and done. High praise from magic and LbJ
Magic still praising him and they are talking about Lebron.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 21, 2013, 12:35:10 AM
I'm not Wade bashing here, I'm very happy for him and proud. But no one is going to say bad things about their teammate. With that said, is he a hall of famer? Without a doubt. I think he's a top 7 (2 guard) when all is said and done. High praise from magic and LbJ
You may be correct, but top 5 or top 7 is a great NBA career.
Just curious, who are the six you have ahead of him?
Quote from: newsdrms on June 20, 2013, 11:47:12 PM
Wade on ESPN press conference "...being a kid from Marquette University..." ;D
Shows how grateful he is.
It truly saddens me reading the anti-Wade comments on Marquette's Facebook page where they posted congratulations to him. I'd like to think those people are just idiots caught up in the anti-Heat media hype, but they certainly shouldn't be considered Marquette alumni or fans.
Quote from: MUSF on June 20, 2013, 11:49:21 PM
Making this thread more ridiculous by the second!
Kid from marquette? Didnt he go to indiana? (Teal, of course)
Quote from: Heavy Gear on June 21, 2013, 12:45:13 AM
Shows how grateful he is.
It truly saddens me reading the anti-Wade comments on Marquette's Facebook page where they posted congratulations to him. I'd like to think those people are just idiots caught up in the anti-Heat media hype, but they certainly shouldn't be considered Marquette fans.
To me they should not even consider themselves Marquette alumni.
I went to go see Wade play the Bucks at the Bradley Center back around 2008 when I was at Marquette.
Nearly the entire arena booed Gary Payton every time he touched the ball or had his name announced. Was this a case of butt hurt Bucks fans?????
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 21, 2013, 02:57:28 AM
I went to go see Wade play the Bucks at the Bradley Center back around 2008 when I was at Marquette.
Nearly the entire arena booed Gary Payton every time he touched the ball or had his name announced. Was this a case of butt hurt Bucks fans?????
Payton owns a great seafood place in Seattle, Seastar. You will see him in the bar sometimes. Excellent seafood place.
Quote from: newsdrms on June 21, 2013, 12:13:46 AM
Lebron ESPN conference "....Wade is one of the greatest 2 guards and one of the greatest players in NBA history..."
With that being said, would anyone now place Wade in the "NBA Top 50 Players of All Time" list? And if so, who would you eliminate?
I would probably replace Clyde Drexler. Always thought he was over-rated.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 20, 2013, 11:12:11 PM
I guess we'll just ignore New York, Georgia...both with Eastern Conference teams, both making the playoffs then.
You can ignore it if you wish, the comments here over the years, etc, show a lot of butt hurt by Bulls fans. The voting in this poll does nothing to dissuade that perception. Maybe it isn't true and it's all unfair. You're right that Rawdog called that out, I'm just taking it a step further and pointing out other states with good teams, some in the Eastern Conference, that for whatever reason come in much differently. Probably a weird coincidence.
;)
http://www.youtube.com/v/0uHXMBagx-k
http://www.youtube.com/v/A04k7dSomEk
http://www.youtube.com/v/EJGOEjXkElk
http://www.youtube.com/v/9xt8GhYM4rI
Again, he didn't say EVERY state. He was merely pointing out that Bulls fans/Illinois are not alone in disliking the Heat. The numbers proved that. Taking it a step further is pointless because that's not the argument. You were wrong. Deal with it. End of discussion.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on June 21, 2013, 06:06:07 AM
With that being said, would anyone now place Wade in the "NBA Top 50 Players of All Time" list? And if so, who would you eliminate?
I would probably replace Clyde Drexler. Always thought he was over-rated.
Wade is Top 50. Bill Simmons wrote a great article a couple of months ago arguing that when Wade's career was done he would be considered one of the top 20 PLAYERS of all time at any position.
At the two I would only put Jordan, Big O, and probably Kobe ahead of DWade. I've long argued that DWade is a better athlete than Kobe. Better all around game than West.
Quote from: newsdrms on June 21, 2013, 12:50:23 AM
To me they should not even consider themselves Marquette alumni.
Thank you, I amended my original post.
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Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 21, 2013, 08:15:37 AM
Again, he didn't say EVERY state. He was merely pointing out that Bulls fans/Illinois are not alone in disliking the Heat. The numbers proved that. Taking it a step further is pointless because that's not the argument. You were wrong. Deal with it. End of discussion.
Yup, get it. Rawdog, you are correct....for the other Bulls fans your are more hypersensitive about Lebron than the rest of the country. Accept it. He's in your head....heads exploded last night in Illinois :D
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Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 21, 2013, 02:57:28 AM
I went to go see Wade play the Bucks at the Bradley Center back around 2008 when I was at Marquette.
Nearly the entire arena booed Gary Payton every time he touched the ball or had his name announced. Was this a case of butt hurt Bucks fans?????
Different situations, but to a degree. The Bucks traded one of their most beloved players for the guy, who didn't want to be here.
Wade is the best thing to happen to Marquette since AL, and it will take a monumental acheivement (like a national title) to unseat him from that throne. His midrange jumpers plus swarming D last night was a thing of beauty. If he's healthy in the finals next year there's no way they're not three-peating.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 21, 2013, 02:57:28 AM
I went to go see Wade play the Bucks at the Bradley Center back around 2008 when I was at Marquette.
Nearly the entire arena booed Gary Payton every time he touched the ball or had his name announced. Was this a case of butt hurt Bucks fans?????
Yes it is.
What's your point?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 21, 2013, 08:59:32 AM
Yup, get it. Rawdog, you are correct....for the other Bulls fans your are more hypersensitive about Lebron than the rest of the country. Accept it. He's in your head....heads exploded last night in Illinois :D
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Quote from: newsdrms on June 21, 2013, 12:37:39 AM
Magic still praising him and they are talking about Lebron.
In addition, Magic (Magic freakin Johnson) called DWade one of the best players the game of basketball has ever seen.
Heavy, heavy words.
Bill Simmons is one of the funniest, most insightful basketball writers ever. Hope he continues his tv gig.
The NBA Playoffs were insane (yet again). Between JFB coming on to the national stage, great series against the Pacers and Heat, and a epic legendary series between the Spurs/Heat...the Playoffs can't be beat (slight nod to the tourney I guess).
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 20, 2013, 11:08:04 PM
Loud and Proud
I know you haven't seen DWade play since March 2003 (except maybe for the Olympics) because you find the NBA unwatchable. Too bad. Those of us who appreciate great basketball have enjoyed the ride.
Quote from: Wade for President on June 21, 2013, 09:51:03 AM
In addition, Magic (Magic freakin Johnson) called DWade one of the best players the game of basketball has ever seen.
Heavy, heavy words.
Bill Simmons is one of the funniest, most insightful basketball writers ever. Hope he continues his tv gig.
The NBA Playoffs were insane (yet again). Between JFB coming on to the national stage, great series against the Pacers and Heat, and a epic legendary series between the Spurs/Heat...the Playoffs can't be beat (slight nod to the tourney I guess).
Don't forget about the emergence of the Warriors & Grizz as young forces to be reckoned with in the West. Top to bottom, this was a great playoffs. Only sporting even better in my mind is the tournament, and it's only slightly so like you said.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on June 21, 2013, 12:45:13 AM
Shows how grateful he is.
It truly saddens me reading the anti-Wade comments on Marquette's Facebook page where they posted congratulations to him. I'd like to think those people are just idiots caught up in the anti-Heat media hype, but they certainly shouldn't be considered Marquette alumni or fans.
Ha are you really THAT sad over these posts?? Should we take away their diplomas too??
Quote from: Wade for President on June 21, 2013, 09:51:03 AM
The NBA Playoffs were insane (yet again). Between JFB coming on to the national stage, great series against the Pacers and Heat, and a epic legendary series between the Spurs/Heat...the Playoffs can't be beat (slight nod to the tourney I guess).
+1. For anyone who loves/appreciates/understands the game of basketball this was the pinnacle.
Quote from: Wade for President on June 21, 2013, 09:51:03 AM
Bill Simmons is one of the funniest, most insightful basketball writers ever. Hope he continues his tv gig.
Bill Simmons' "insight":
http://deadspin.com/bill-simmons-thinks-memphis-fans-get-tense-because-mlk-510443204
Quote from: MUfan12 on June 21, 2013, 09:00:18 AM
Different situations, but to a degree. The Bucks traded one of their most beloved players for the guy, who didn't want to be here.
AAAAAND on top of that, he talked so much trash about Milwaukee after he left (one time, for example, trying to convince Bogut and Marvin Williams not to come to Mil when the Bucks had the first pick). I cannot stand Gary Payton. And while he was a Buck, anyone remember that strip club incident in Toronto? To paraphrase 'B*tch, you know who I am?!? Im Gary Payton!!' As if dude is some household name. Pff. It pisses me off that he has a championship ring on his finger.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 21, 2013, 10:17:52 AM
Bill Simmons' "insight":
http://deadspin.com/bill-simmons-thinks-memphis-fans-get-tense-because-mlk-510443204
I like the fact that he uses his national platform to push basketball, but his attempts at humor and the incessant, gratuitous, inane pop culture references are cringe-worthy.
Quote from: LAZER on June 21, 2013, 10:15:23 AM
Ha are you really THAT sad over these posts?? Should we take away their diplomas too??
Well, let me put it this way. I went to read the comments on their post and was taken aback by the number of people associated with the school calling him a jag, dirty player, whiner and crybaby rather than offering congratulations. And yes it made me sad that people that went to the school (or are students now) would be that disrespectful about someone who's done more for Marquette's basketball visibility than anyone except Al. I always hope that Marquette alumni and fans will conduct themselves with class, but those comments in that context and situation showed me there are some serious pricks out there, and that's what got me down. Should their diplomas be taken away? No, but they were acting like their diplomas read "Notre Dame" rather than "Marquette."
Quote from: Heavy Gear on June 21, 2013, 11:43:56 AM
Well, let me put it this way. I went to read the comments on their post and was taken aback by the number of people associated with the school calling him a jag, dirty player, whiner and crybaby rather than offering congratulations. And yes it made me sad that people that went to the school (or are students now) would be that disrespectful about someone who's done more for Marquette's basketball visibility than anyone except Al. I always hope that Marquette alumni and fans will conduct themselves with class, but those comments in that context and situation showed me there are some serious pricks out there, and that's what got me down. Should their diplomas be taken away? No, but they were acting like their diplomas read "Notre Dame" rather than "Marquette."
Why any MU fan wouldn't be beyond grateful that Wade put on our uni is past my ability to comprehend
Quote from: Jajuannaman on June 21, 2013, 12:15:22 PM
Why any MU fan wouldn't be beyond grateful that Wade put on our uni is past my ability to comprehend
+1
Quote from: Jajuannaman on June 21, 2013, 12:15:22 PM
Why any MU fan wouldn't be beyond grateful that Wade put on our uni is past my ability to comprehend
+2003
There is hope for you yet ;)
Quote from: Jajuannaman on June 21, 2013, 12:15:22 PM
Why any MU fan wouldn't be beyond grateful that Wade put on our uni is past my ability to comprehend
"I am not grateful that Dwyane Wade played for Marquette," said no Marquette fan ever.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 21, 2013, 08:15:37 AM
Again, he didn't say EVERY state. He was merely pointing out that Bulls fans/Illinois are not alone in disliking the Heat. The numbers proved that. Taking it a step further is pointless because that's not the argument. You were wrong. Deal with it. End of discussion.
It does seem that way. Obviously Cleveland hates the Heat/Lebron and Boston detests them very much as well. I think Texas strongly rooted for the Spurs as Dallas played them two years ago, and San Antonio is in it this year. Oklahoma, they played them last year.
What is real interesting though, is if you go to Sportsnation's site today and check out some of the polls.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/9409197/are-heat-nba-latest-dynasty
The one above if you look at the map for how many more championships will Lebron win with the Heat, the same players vote mostly against Lebron (Illinois, Indy, Ohio, Massachusetts, Texas, and Oklahoma). Illinois votes the strongest against him.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/
On the home page, if you scroll down and view the poll for how many championships will Lebron win total in his career, there are only 5 red states (voting mostly against Lebron) and those are Illinois, South Dakota, West Virginia, New Hampshire, and Rhode Island. And again, Illinois votes the strongest against Lebron.
Maybe Chicago has more of a problem with Lebron than with the Heat/Wade. Especially once you consider that when taking Lebron away from the Heat, Illinois still votes strongly against him, yet Ohio, Indiana, Texas, Boston does not vote as strongly.
Quote from: WarriorInDC on June 21, 2013, 02:14:12 PM
It does seem that way. Obviously Cleveland hates the Heat/Lebron and Boston detests them very much as well. I think Texas strongly rooted for the Spurs as Dallas played them two years ago, and San Antonio is in it this year. Oklahoma, they played them last year.
What is real interesting though, is if you go to Sportsnation's site today and check out some of the polls.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/9409197/are-heat-nba-latest-dynasty
The one above if you look at the map for how many more championships will Lebron win with the Heat, the same players vote mostly against Lebron (Illinois, Indy, Ohio, Massachusetts, Texas, and Oklahoma). Illinois votes the strongest against him.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/
On the home page, if you scroll down and view the poll for how many championships will Lebron win total in his career, there are only 5 red states (voting mostly against Lebron) and those are Illinois, South Dakota, West Virginia, New Hampshire, and Rhode Island. And again, Illinois votes the strongest against Lebron.
Maybe Chicago has more of a problem with Lebron than with the Heat/Wade. Especially once you consider that when taking Lebron away from the Heat, Illinois still votes strongly against him, yet Ohio, Indiana, Texas, Boston does not vote as strongly.
I assume that the mindset is that every championship that Miami/LeBron wins will be one less that D-Rose wins. Given the way this year's series played out, many Bulls fans believe that the Heat are vulnerable if Rose is healthy. I personally don't think that's true but several of my Bulls fan friends do.
There's likely a bit of "we don't want to win more than MJ" in the thought-process as well.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 21, 2013, 03:02:20 PM
I assume that the mindset is that every championship that Miami/LeBron wins will be one less that D-Rose wins. Given the way this year's series played out, many Bulls fans believe that the Heat are vulnerable if Rose is healthy. I personally don't think that's true but several of my Bulls fan friends do.
There's likely a bit of "we don't want to win more than MJ" in the thought-process as well.
Not sure most Chicagoans give a crap at this point about D. Rose at this point.
Quote from: ElDonBDon on June 21, 2013, 10:53:50 AM
AAAAAND on top of that, he talked so much trash about Milwaukee after he left (one time, for example, trying to convince Bogut and Marvin Williams not to come to Mil when the Bucks had the first pick). I cannot stand Gary Payton. And while he was a Buck, anyone remember that strip club incident in Toronto? To paraphrase 'B*tch, you know who I am?!? Im Gary Payton!!' As if dude is some household name. Pff. It pisses me off that he has a championship ring on his finger.
Well, having said which, the grilled ahi and Kumamoto's at his restaurant are pretty damn good.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 21, 2013, 03:02:20 PM
I assume that the mindset is that every championship that Miami/LeBron wins will be one less that D-Rose wins. Given the way this year's series played out, many Bulls fans believe that the Heat are vulnerable if Rose is healthy. I personally don't think that's true but several of my Bulls fan friends do.
There's likely a bit of "we don't want to win more than MJ" in the thought-process as well.
I agree with you. However, that will change if the bulls trade for kevin love. Rose, Love, Noah and Butler would be a beast for the heat.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 21, 2013, 12:35:00 PM
"I am not grateful that Dwyane Wade played for Marquette," said no Marquette fan ever.
Shhh... you're ruining their fun.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 21, 2013, 12:35:00 PM
"I am not grateful that Dwyane Wade played for Marquette," said no Marquette fan ever.
I am not grateful that dwyane wade played for Marquette. I am grateful he turned out the way he did but from my understanding of his academic position and the other schools offering scholarships to him (I believe Illinois State and Depaul though I've also heard stories that he never had any other offers) he should be grateful he played for Marquette. Ok all the people here can commence hating me.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 21, 2013, 12:35:00 PM
"I am not grateful that Dwyane Wade played for Marquette," said no Marquette fan ever.
Come on dude. You know what I mean. Instead of congratulating him, some alum are sh*tting on him via social media. Incredibly stupid.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 21, 2013, 09:51:23 AM
I know you haven't seen DWade play since March 2003 (except maybe for the Olympics) because you find the NBA unwatchable. Too bad. Those of us who appreciate great basketball have enjoyed the ride.
That's an incorrect assumption. I've actually seen him play in person against the Lakers, Clippers, etc. I will say this, the NBA this year was fun to watch at times. First time in many years I've been able to say that. Now just get rid of some of the stupidest rules in sports like advancing the ball at the end of the game after a timeout, actually call traveling, palming, etc, and don't be afraid to foul out the stars (avoid calling fouls on certain players just because they are stars) and we're getting somewhere.
I did enjoy the ride, and having Bulls fans and Lakers' fans heads explode last night only made my day that much more enjoyable. Viva la Wade....so glad someone got him to MU and so much happier he remains committed to MU despite the pettiness of some MU fans to denigrate him for some of his loyalty to certain people.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 21, 2013, 07:25:34 PM
I did enjoy the ride, and having Bulls fans and Lakers' fans heads explode last night only made my day that much more enjoyable.
You frequently post how much joy it brings you to watch other people's heads explode. Two questions: Where did you learn to enjoy such a thing and are you seeing anyone about it?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 21, 2013, 08:59:17 PM
You frequently post how much joy it brings you to watch other people's heads explode. Two questions: Where did you learn to enjoy such a thing and are you seeing anyone about it?
Lenny
Actually, I rather enjoy making Taliban heads explode. I find it therapeutic.
AFSOC TACP: Death From Above
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Pretty much unwatchable for most of the last 10 years and the ratings prove it. Glad to see the game might be coming back finally, because the last decade people were staying away (rightly so). In the last 15 years, only three games make the top ten since 2011 and two of them were this year. OUCH!
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2013/06/spurs-heat-game-7-final-ratings/#chart
Have not seen many, if any posts lately here since the Pacers games about Wade cheap shots and whining, denigrating him. I guess since the Heat won, and Wade was instrumental in it again, it will shut up the whiners for a while.
Strange though, haven't seen anybody blast Magic for his praise of Wade. After all, Wade gives millions to charity, etc., so where are the critics of him now?
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhWfDCkomXFplTS3d1
Don't know if this has been posted before but here's something for us to look out for in a few years!
Quote from: LLRj Since 1986 on June 22, 2013, 02:31:11 PM
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhWfDCkomXFplTS3d1
Don't know if this has been posted before but here's something for us to look out for in a few years!
Buzz better be in there already, although my guess is that Crean has already been sniffing the kid's jock.
A true warrior
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/9412923/dwyane-wade-miami-heat-needed-knee-drained-play-game-7-finals
Quote from: LLRj Since 1986 on June 22, 2013, 02:31:11 PM
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhWfDCkomXFplTS3d1
Don't know if this has been posted before but here's something for us to look out for in a few years!
If we can land little Wade and he's a guard like his dad, we should already have a solid team in 2021, assuming Otule returns for his 14th season
Quote from: ElDonBDon on June 22, 2013, 10:51:56 PM
If we can land little Wade and he's a guard like his dad, we should already have a solid team in 2021, assuming Otule returns for his 14th season
That would still have to be cleared by the NCAA, though probably a formality at this point.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 22, 2013, 01:34:12 PM
Pretty much unwatchable for most of the last 10 years and the ratings prove it. Glad to see the game might be coming back finally, because the last decade people were staying away (rightly so). In the last 15 years, only three games make the top ten since 2011 and two of them were this year. OUCH!
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2013/06/spurs-heat-game-7-final-ratings/#chart
I agree -- I only enjoy watching the watchable highly-rated shows like Dancing With the Stars and American Idol. Sometimes I will cover myself in a blanket, eat strawberry ice cream, listen to Taylor Swift and watch Twilight. Its heaven. I never would have watched Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul and David West in New Orleans, the Steven Jackson and Monte Ellis Warriors or the Steph Curry Warriors. The Spurs - didn't even know they existed until the finals this year. Nobody was watching them. They were unwatchable. Great, great point!!
Never forget
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Quote from: karavotsos on June 23, 2013, 12:24:23 AM
I agree -- I only enjoy watching the watchable highly-rated shows like Dancing With the Stars and American Idol. Sometimes I will cover myself in a blanket, eat strawberry ice cream, listen to Taylor Swift and watch Twilight. Its heaven. I never would have watched Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul and David West in New Orleans, the Steven Jackson and Monte Ellis Warriors or the Steph Curry Warriors. The Spurs - didn't even know they existed until the finals this year. Nobody was watching them. They were unwatchable. Great, great point!!
Who is Taylor Swift and what is twilight?
Does Taylor Swift =Patsy Cline, and does Twilight= All in the Family?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 22, 2013, 01:34:12 PM
Pretty much unwatchable for most of the last 10 years and the ratings prove it. Glad to see the game might be coming back finally, because the last decade people were staying away (rightly so). In the last 15 years, only three games make the top ten since 2011 and two of them were this year. OUCH!
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2013/06/spurs-heat-game-7-final-ratings/#chart
Television ratings are a reflection on the quality of play?
Worst. Correlation. Ever.
Linking television ratings to quality of play is silly.
How high (or low) ratings are is entirely dictated by the ability to capture the casual fan, i.e. the person who generally wouldn't know quality play if it bit him or her on the behind and probably doesn't care.
The people who do care and recognize quality play are the core audience of basketball fans, and those people know that NBA basketball is the absolute pinnacle of play.
There's nothing wrong with preferring the college game and its ... er, more traditional? .... style. But nobody with any basketball knowledge could possibly believe that NBA basketball isn't the best basketball in terms of quality of play.
Quote from: Stone Cold on June 23, 2013, 01:08:40 AM
Never forget
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Legend has it that a T-shirt once existed based on this image. The shirt however had Father Marquette holding a basket ball under his right arm.
If some enterprising soul would decide to (re)create such shirt, I would buy several.
Quote from: AZWarrior on June 23, 2013, 02:53:17 PM
Legend has it that a T-shirt once existed based on this image. The shirt however had Father Marquette holding a basket ball under his right arm.
If some enterprising soul would decide to (re)create such shirt, I would buy several.
Are you sure it was spinning on his left hand?
Quote from: Pakuni on June 23, 2013, 10:19:11 AM
Television ratings are a reflection on the quality of play?
Worst. Correlation. Ever.
Linking television ratings to quality of play is silly.
How high (or low) ratings are is entirely dictated by the ability to capture the casual fan, i.e. the person who generally wouldn't know quality play if it bit him or her on the behind and probably doesn't care.
The people who do care and recognize quality play are the core audience of basketball fans, and those people know that NBA basketball is the absolute pinnacle of play.
There's nothing wrong with preferring the college game and its ... er, more traditional? .... style. But nobody with any basketball knowledge could possibly believe that NBA basketball isn't the best basketball in terms of quality of play.
Television ratings are a reflection of a lot of things, including the quality of the entertainment, the matchups, etc. I said the NBA was mostly unwatchable in the 2000's....watchable meaning "watching" on TV, etc.
The ratings don't lie...glad to see they are coming back, because it was a brutal product for a number of years.
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I guess I don't know how somebody who admittedly doesn't watch the NBA can be an expert on whether the NBA has been watchable or unwatchable.
Quote from: MU82 on June 23, 2013, 09:28:27 PM
I guess I don't know how somebody who admittedly doesn't watch the NBA can be an expert on whether the NBA has been watchable or unwatchable.
+1
Quote from: MU82 on June 23, 2013, 09:28:27 PM
I guess I don't know how somebody who admittedly doesn't watch the NBA can be an expert on whether the NBA has been watchable or unwatchable.
The ratings told Chicos that the NBA was unwatchable. My guess is they told him college basketball was even more unwatchable but he'll still take in an IU/Nebraska stem winder when it's available.
In general, though, he sticks with blue chip, highly rated quality like Dancing With The Stars and Two and a Half Men. True art, doncha know.