Can we be proud of D. Wade?

[MUSF]

Cloud usually implies that we don't know about it.  People have no problem hating duke. No problem hating the Yankees.  No problem hating any dynasty when they cheer for a team that is a contender.  This isn't some sort of mystery.  If your team is high caliber, and there is a dynasty, you hate the dynasty.  If you don't, then you aren't a good fan.  If the bucks won 58 games and took the heat to 7 in the conference finals, half of you would say the same thing.*  And if the bulls won 30, we wouldn't hate the heat.

*Please don't tell me how you don't care about the bucks.  It's cause they suck.  I watched WI-ites claim the same thing about the brewers and then change their stripes as soon as they win a few game.

Many Bulls fans here also are some of the most vocal Wade detractors here. If you have the audacity to wonder if those two things are possibly related to each other, they will adamantly deny it. So yes, I'm implying that apparently they don't know about the impact their anti-Heat bias is having on their opinion of DWade.

BTW, I am not a Wisconsinite, nor a Bucks fan. I feel like I have to say this a lot.

[RawdogDX]

Dear fellow bulls fans.

We all hate the heat due to them beating us in close play off series.  I just found out from MUSF, that we are unaware that hating a team can cause us to dislike players on that team.  Apparently we are the stupidest people alive.  We are soooo dumb that we can't see this obvious fact.  We all think that if wade played for our favorite team or our worst enemy that we'd feel the exact same way about him.  MUSF is right, we must stop this.  OBVIOUSLY, you will feel differently about people who play for a rival, your own team or some random team that you never think about.  Why can't we get this completely obvious fact through our amazingly thick sculls?  Lets all thank MUSF for pointing out this fact that is completely overlooked by every single member of our fan base.

Back to my initial point.  More proof that other states, with a good basketball team hate the heat an equal amount as IL.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/9403250/heat-fans-lack-faith-disturbing

[MUSF]

Dear fellow bulls fans.

We all hate the heat due to them beating us in close play off series.  I just found out from MUSF, that we are unaware that hating a team can cause us to dislike players on that team.  Apparently we are the stupidest people alive.  We are soooo dumb that we can't see this obvious fact.  We all think that if wade played for our favorite team or our worst enemy that we'd feel the exact same way about him.  MUSF is right, we must stop this.  OBVIOUSLY, you will feel differently about people who play for a rival, your own team or some random team that you never think about.  Why can't we get this completely obvious fact through our amazingly thick sculls?  Lets all thank MUSF for pointing out this fact that is completely overlooked by every single member of our fan base.

Back to my initial point.  More proof that other states, with a good basketball team hate the heat an equal amount as IL.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/9403250/heat-fans-lack-faith-disturbing

I know your response is sarcastic, but it shouldn't be. Check out the "Sick of Wade" thread; many of your fellow Bulls fans are adamant that their negative opinion of Wade has nothing to do with their love of the Bulls.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=38870.0

[ChicosBailBonds]

I know your response is sarcastic, but it shouldn't be. Check out the "Sick of Wade" thread; many of your fellow Bulls fans are adamant that their negative opinion of Wade has nothing to do with their love of the Bulls.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=38870.0

For more fun, I'll bet if you go back to when Wade was a free agent and then his decision to stay would be interesting to see the commentary here as well.

It's not shocking, fans of sports teams are the biggest hypocrites going....it's part of the deal.  For good or bad.

[keefe]

For more fun, I'll bet if you go back to when Wade was a free agent and then his decision to stay would be interesting to see the commentary here as well.

It's not shocking, fans of sports teams are the biggest hypocrites going....it's part of the deal.  For good or bad.

You haven't spent time in the PNW. Mariners fans are pretty benign if not blasé. Years of mediocrity have not yet jaded the faithful.

[Golden Avalanche]

You haven't spent time in the PNW. Mariners fans are pretty benign if not blasé. Years of mediocrity have not yet jaded the faithful.

Yes, but now you're bringing living standards into the equation. Which is a slippery slope to condescension.

[keefe]

Yes, but now you're bringing living standards into the equation. Which is a slippery slope to condescension.

Living standards?

[Lennys Tap]

I know your response is sarcastic, but it shouldn't be. Check out the "Sick of Wade" thread; many of your fellow Bulls fans are adamant that their negative opinion of Wade has nothing to do with their love of the Bulls.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=38870.0

I'm sure their are SOME Bull's fans/MU alums angry with Wade for staying with the Heat and they're looking for excuses to put him down. There are also SOME MU fans/alums (yourself?) who will always ignore or excuse Wade's bad behavior. The third category of MU fans still love Dwyane and support him but are nonetheless troubled by some of his on the court shenanigans. I choose door # 3.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Dear fellow bulls fans.

We all hate the heat due to them beating us in close play off series.  I just found out from MUSF, that we are unaware that hating a team can cause us to dislike players on that team.  Apparently we are the stupidest people alive.  We are soooo dumb that we can't see this obvious fact.  We all think that if wade played for our favorite team or our worst enemy that we'd feel the exact same way about him.  MUSF is right, we must stop this.  OBVIOUSLY, you will feel differently about people who play for a rival, your own team or some random team that you never think about.  Why can't we get this completely obvious fact through our amazingly thick sculls?  Lets all thank MUSF for pointing out this fact that is completely overlooked by every single member of our fan base.

Back to my initial point.  More proof that other states, with a good basketball team hate the heat an equal amount as IL.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/9403250/heat-fans-lack-faith-disturbing

Actually, if you go to the states you find that's not the case.

Illinois, 80% want the Spurs while the nation is at 65%.  Illinois is overindexing by a lot.  The state of Texas, where San Antonio resides, is at 74%, below that of Illinois.  Oklahoma, a border state to Texas, is at 78%  Only two states are higher than Illinois, Maine and New Hampshire and the sample size was only a couple hundred votes total, so one vote here or there skews it.

So I think your are selling short what the numbers say about Illinois and Bulls fans.

[MerrittsMustache]

Actually, if you go to the states you find that's not the case.

Illinois, 80% want the Spurs while the nation is at 65%.  Illinois is overindexing by a lot.  The state of Texas, where San Antonio resides, is at 74%, below that of Illinois.  Oklahoma, a border state to Texas, is at 78%  Only two states are higher than Illinois, Maine and New Hampshire and the sample size was only a couple hundred votes total, so one vote here or there skews it.

So I think your are selling short what the numbers say about Illinois and Bulls fans.

Texas has 2 other NBA teams, in significantly larger markets, whose fans are likely not rooting for their in-state rival. Similar situation with Oklahoma City. Think Thunder fans are rooting for their conference rival to win a championship?

Also, you left out Indiana which is 78% for SA. Again, a likely instance of fans cheering against their conference rival. Well, either that or Pacers fans don't like that D-Wade is associated with the IU basketball coach. You also left out Massachusetts which is 82% for SA. Maine, Vermont and NH are up there as well. Hmm, I wonder why there is so much Heat-hate in New England.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Texas has 2 other NBA teams, in significantly larger markets, whose fans are likely not rooting for their in-state rival. Similar situation with Oklahoma City. Think Thunder fans are rooting for their conference rival to win a championship?

Also, you left out Indiana which is 78% for SA. Again, a likely instance of fans cheering against their conference rival. Well, either that or Pacers fans don't like that D-Wade is associated with the IU basketball coach. You also left out Massachusetts which is 82% for SA. Maine, Vermont and NH are up there as well. Hmm, I wonder why there is so much Heat-hate in New England.

Illinois 80%.  Rest of the nation 65%.   The numbers are the numbers.  Illinois is over-indexing off the charts.    I mentioned New England, most of those states had less than 500 votes which means their totals will move one way or the other more due to the small sample size.   Am I surprised Indiana is high...the team Miami just beat?  Uhm, no.   

[MerrittsMustache]

Illinois 80%.  Rest of the nation 65%.   The numbers are the numbers.  Illinois is over-indexing off the charts.    I mentioned New England, most of those states had less than 500 votes which means their totals will move one way or the other more due to the small sample size.   Am I surprised Indiana is high...the team Miami just beat?  Uhm, no.   

Rawdog's statement: More proof that other states, with a good basketball team hate the heat an equal amount as IL.

Massachusetts (5,100 votes): 82%
Maine/NH/Vermont combined (1,550 votes): 81%
Illinois (7,770 votes): 80%
Oklahoma (1,300 votes): 80%
Indiana (3,300 votes): 78%

What exactly are you arguing? Your data confirms his point.

[jesmu84]

Rawdog's statement: More proof that other states, with a good basketball team hate the heat an equal amount as IL.

Massachusetts (5,100 votes): 82%
Maine/NH/Vermont combined (1,550 votes): 81%
Illinois (7,770 votes): 80%
Oklahoma (1,300 votes): 80%
Indiana (3,300 votes): 78%

What exactly are you arguing? Your data confirms his point.

don't bring facts and statistics into the discussion!

[RawdogDX]

I know your response is sarcastic, but it shouldn't be. Check out the "Sick of Wade" thread; many of your fellow Bulls fans are adamant that their negative opinion of Wade has nothing to do with their love of the Bulls.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=38870.0

Not seeing it.  Bulls fans repeatedly brought up points that bothered them(whining, dirty, clothing options).  But no one ever said that they wouldn't ignore that if he was on their team. No one ever said that the fact that he knocked us out of the playoffs several times didn't play any roll in their sensitivity to the above issue.  They just said what about a player on another team made them mad, that doesn't imply that they wouldn't overlook it.  All sports fans a hypocrites, all smart ones know that, and no one wants to admit it.

Also, i noticed at least 3 'not a bulls fan' who you never replied to.  Seems like a bone to pick.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Rawdog's statement: More proof that other states, with a good basketball team hate the heat an equal amount as IL.

Massachusetts (5,100 votes): 82%
Maine/NH/Vermont combined (1,550 votes): 81%
Illinois (7,770 votes): 80%
Oklahoma (1,300 votes): 80%
Indiana (3,300 votes): 78%

What exactly are you arguing? Your data confirms his point.

California  69%....I guess is depends if you view Lakers, Clippers, Warriors as good...all made the playoffs
Tennessee 60%....is Memphis considered good...I would say so
Colorado 61%....Denver Nuggets considered good....I would say so

Maybe its an eastern conference vs western conference thing, but if that's the case why is New York only at 68% vs Illinois at 80%?  Georgia only at 60% vs Illinois at 80%?  ETc, etc.  Hawks and Knicks both made the playoffs...right?

[MerrittsMustache]

California  69%....I guess is depends if you view Lakers, Clippers, Warriors as good...all made the playoffs
Tennessee 60%....is Memphis considered good...I would say so
Colorado 61%....Denver Nuggets considered good....I would say so

Maybe its an eastern conference vs western conference thing, but if that's the case why is New York only at 68% vs Illinois at 80%?  Georgia only at 60% vs Illinois at 80%?  ETc, etc.  Hawks and Knicks both made the playoffs...right?

I'll re-post Rawdog's statement: More proof that other states, with a good basketball team hate the heat an equal amount as IL.

He didn't say that every state with a respectable NBA team hates the Heat. I listed 4 states/regions with numbers comparable to Illinois, thus proving the fact that, once again, other states with a good basketball team hate the Heat an equal amount to Illinois.

Also, you know damn well it's a conference thing. I know you like to play dumb as an attempt to instigate but this one is a pretty weak effort even for someone as attention-starved as you.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Loud and Proud

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'll re-post Rawdog's statement: More proof that other states, with a good basketball team hate the heat an equal amount as IL.

He didn't say that every state with a respectable NBA team hates the Heat. I listed 4 states/regions with numbers comparable to Illinois, thus proving the fact that, once again, other states with a good basketball team hate the Heat an equal amount to Illinois.

Also, you know damn well it's a conference thing. I know you like to play dumb as an attempt to instigate but this one is a pretty weak effort even for someone as attention-starved as you.

I guess we'll just ignore New York, Georgia...both with Eastern Conference teams, both making the playoffs then.  

You can ignore it if you wish, the comments here over the years, etc, show a lot of butt hurt by Bulls fans.  The voting in this poll does nothing to dissuade that perception.  Maybe it isn't true and it's all unfair.  You're right that Rawdog called that out, I'm just taking it a step further and pointing out other states with good teams, some in the Eastern Conference, that for whatever reason come in much differently.  Probably a weird coincidence.



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[Newsdreams]

Very proud of Wade!!

[ChicosBailBonds]

https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/mubb

Marquette University on it already. 

[Newsdreams]

https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/mubb

Marquette University on it already.  

On my facebook timeline already.

[MUSF]

Not seeing it.  Bulls fans repeatedly brought up points that bothered them(whining, dirty, clothing options).  But no one ever said that they wouldn't ignore that if he was on their team. No one ever said that the fact that he knocked us out of the playoffs several times didn't play any roll in their sensitivity to the above issue.  They just said what about a player on another team made them mad, that doesn't imply that they wouldn't overlook it.  All sports fans a hypocrites, all smart ones know that, and no one wants to admit it.

Also, i noticed at least 3 'not a bulls fan' who you never replied to.  Seems like a bone to pick.

No bone to pick, and I don't deny that there may be some non-bulls fans that are "sick of Wade". I am still surprised by that, and still wonder if there is some other bias at play (Crean hate, Lebron hate). But, I will certainly concede that some MU fans have objectively observed DWade play, and determined that they are sick of him, disappointed in him, or generally believe that he is the dirtiest whiner in the NBA.

Yes, sports fans are very biased and can be hypocritical, that's why it surprises me that we would start threads bashing our best player ever. We should be the last ones to turn on Wade. The only thing that seems like a reasonable explanation for the Wade bashing here is that some other biases that are stronger than their MU bias.  

[Newsdreams]

Wade on ESPN press conference "...being a kid from Marquette University..." 

[MUSF]

Wade on ESPN press conference "...being a kid from Marquette University..." 

Making this thread more ridiculous by the second!

[Golden Avalanche]

Wade on ESPN press conference "...being a kid from Marquette University..." 

God, I hope so. Fucking clowns who are self righteous pricks trying to tear down the greatest talent our program has witnessed. Know your role, paeans.