Can we be proud of D. Wade?

[MUHoopsFan2]

Have not heard that Mathews was instrumental in getting Blue for us. I always thought it was Buzz.

No Wesley was. And now Vander hopes he can be like Wesley and make some teams Summer League team and get a training camp invite.

[MUHoopsFan2]

Did he graduate?

Yes he did....he graduated into the NBA. Then to an NBA Finals and won it.

That is all that matters now.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Mathews really helped with Blue and I've seen him at several games. JFB will probably help down the line. I see Wade linked much more with Crean/IU than Marquette these days (mostly by Crean). Who has he helped us get in the last 5 years?

Is this a serious question?  You're ignoring the big picture part....the part about the fact he went to MU, helped make MU viable again and put us in the conversation with recruits without him ever having to say one thing to any recruit. Halo effect or whatever you want to call it.

Besides, you're encroaching on dangerous territory in terms of what a MU booster (which Matthews, JFB, Wade, etc, all are) can say to a recruit to potentially get them to MU.

[GGGG]

Mathews really helped with Blue and I've seen him at several games. JFB will probably help down the line. I see Wade linked much more with Crean/IU than Marquette these days (mostly by Crean). Who has he helped us get in the last 5 years?

I think that is a pretty ridiculous statement.  Wade is first, foremost and by a large margin, linked with MU over IU.  That is like saying Danny Manning is linked with SMU because Larry Brown coached him at Kansas.

[Galway Eagle]

I think that is a pretty ridiculous statement.  Wade is first, foremost and by a large margin, linked with MU over IU.  That is like saying Danny Manning is linked with SMU because Larry Brown coached him at Kansas.

When he was interviewed and asked about a potential Marquette vs Indiana matchup in the elite 8.  He said he wouldn't have a team that he'd be rooting for.  Doesn't sound like he's about Marquette "first and foremost by a large margin"

[ChicosBailBonds]

When he was interviewed and asked about a potential Marquette vs Indiana matchup in the elite 8.  He said he wouldn't have a team that he'd be rooting for.  Doesn't sound like he's about Marquette "first and foremost by a large margin"

Looking at Wade hold up a Marquette jersey during the NBA All-Star game cheering on Steve Novak, looking at Wade tweet about MU consistently even against University of Miami (where he lives and plays ball), his financial contributions to MU, etc, etc.

He has put MU first and foremost.    

I'm not saying he didn't say what you claim, but I would like to see a link to get the context.  Could be as simple as "it would be a difficult game for me to watch because I love my school and love my former coach...".  Who knows.....I know that makes heads explode around here for about 10 people whenever Diener, Novak, Wade, etc, etc stand by their coach, but that's not going to change.

EDIT:

Here's what he said.  Clearly, a win win situation for him.  See nothing wrong with it. 


Asked what his rooting choice would have been had Indiana advanced to play Marquette, Wade said, "You know what? I wouldn't have had one. I was in a win-win situation if that would have happened. When Indiana got that draw against Syracuse, I knew it was going to be a tough one, but I would have been in a win-win situation."

[GGGG]

When he was interviewed and asked about a potential Marquette vs Indiana matchup in the elite 8.  He said he wouldn't have a team that he'd be rooting for.  Doesn't sound like he's about Marquette "first and foremost by a large margin"

Two different things.  I said he was "linked" to MU (by the general public, media, etc.)...not where his personal rooting interests lie.

[Galway Eagle]

Looking at Wade hold up a Marquette jersey during the NBA All-Star game cheering on Steve Novak, looking at Wade tweet about MU consistently even against University of Miami (where he lives and plays ball), his financial contributions to MU, etc, etc.

He has put MU first and foremost.    

I'm not saying he didn't say what you claim, but I would like to see a link to get the context.  Could be as simple as "it would be a difficult game for me to watch because I love my school and love my former coach...".  Who knows.....I know that makes heads explode around here for about 10 people whenever Diener, Novak, Wade, etc, etc stand by their coach, but that's not going to change.

EDIT:

Here's what he said.  Clearly, a win win situation for him.  See nothing wrong with it. 


Asked what his rooting choice would have been had Indiana advanced to play Marquette, Wade said, "You know what? I wouldn't have had one. I was in a win-win situation if that would have happened. When Indiana got that draw against Syracuse, I knew it was going to be a tough one, but I would have been in a win-win situation."

The jersey thing is a teammate thing not an MU thing.  Remember what Jabari Parker came up to madness wearing Taylor's Simeon jersey?  I don't care that he supports his former coach, I think that shows loyalty and is nice to see in someone associated with MU.  But when he can't decide who to root for it seems to me that we shouldn't be saying things like "Wade is MU basketball" like that one guy said. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

The jersey thing is a teammate thing not an MU thing.  Remember what Jabari Parker came up to madness wearing Taylor's Simeon jersey?  I don't care that he supports his former coach, I think that shows loyalty and is nice to see in someone associated with MU.  But when he can't decide who to root for it seems to me that we shouldn't be saying things like "Wade is MU basketball" like that one guy said.  

He's saying it's a win win.   When you love something and they're pitted against one another and you know it causes pain for whomever loses, it's tough to choose.  You don't care for Crean like he does, thus no conflict for you.  For him, there is conflict.  That's the difference.  He's being honest, good for him.  It's a win win.  I've seen it out here with guys that played ball at USC or UCLA and their son went to the other school cross town...they love their school and they love their son, so they stay neutral whenever the question is asked by the media.  Not that shocking.  If Austin Rivers at Duke was going against MU in the NCAA tournament and they asked Doc who he was cheering for...if Doc said his son or "staying out of it", what would the reaction have been here?  The reality is that they have conflicts that fans here don't, so you have to view it from their POV, through their lens.  And before someone says it's different when it is your son vs your coach, again that's your POV.  Wade said TC was a father figure to him since he didn't have one, so all that matters on it is what Wade thinks about it. 

I honestly don't know why with the biggest asset we have for MU hoops we find more ways by more people to bang on the guy because he dares to also care for his former coach.  Good way to drive him away from the program if you ask me.  To the point that last year or whenever it was he felt the need to publicly comment that he loves MU because of all the grief he was getting for wearing IU shorts and helping out his coach at a camp.  

[GGGG]

The jersey thing is a teammate thing not an MU thing.  Remember what Jabari Parker came up to madness wearing Taylor's Simeon jersey?  I don't care that he supports his former coach, I think that shows loyalty and is nice to see in someone associated with MU.  But when he can't decide who to root for it seems to me that we shouldn't be saying things like "Wade is MU basketball" like that one guy said. 

Again...you are mixing up two things.  When you say "Dwyane Wade" to some random college basketball fan, that person thinks "Marquette,"...not "Indiana."

[macman320]

I also remember seeing Wade on ESPN two years ago pick MU to go the sweet 16, saying something like "gotta go with my school MU". He showed up to Marquette Madness during the lockout. He is way more active than he has to be considering he allowed Marquette to be seen on a national scene again where top 100 recruits started considering again. He set that path, through him Crean helped us get to a major conference, and now we have an amazing coach who can lock up top recruits and develop players and maintain this top of the conference status. Many pieces at work, Wade was and always will be a huge one.

[forgetful]

I have to agree with Chicos and Sultan, which is a rare, rare occurrence.

Wade is a big supporter of MU, if it offends you that he still has great respect for Crean and roots for him, get over it.  Most players view their coach as a sort of father-like figure.  No matter what that person does it is hard to break that bond and you will always root for him.

I'm sure he also views MU as an extended family, which means he roots for them regardless of who the coach/players are.

When family competes against family, its a win-win just as he said, someone is advancing and you are going to be happy for them.

[Lennys Tap]

I think that is a pretty ridiculous statement.  Wade is first, foremost and by a large margin, linked with MU over IU.  That is like saying Danny Manning is linked with SMU because Larry Brown coached him at Kansas.

No, it's not.

[KenoshaWarrior]

When he was interviewed and asked about a potential Marquette vs Indiana matchup in the elite 8.  He said he wouldn't have a team that he'd be rooting for.  Doesn't sound like he's about Marquette "first and foremost by a large margin"

Not true. 
He said he would pull for Marquette

[Pakuni]

When he was interviewed and asked about a potential Marquette vs Indiana matchup in the elite 8.  He said he wouldn't have a team that he'd be rooting for.  Doesn't sound like he's about Marquette "first and foremost by a large margin"

Source?

[Pakuni]

No, it's not.

Other than committing the great sin of being seen wearing IU shorts (gasp!), how exactly is Dwyane Wade linked with Indiana? Because he has nice things to say about Tom Crean?
Boy, if Buzz leaves, I better never, ever hear Jim Butler or Jae Crowder speak kindly of him. That would make them traitors or something something.

And you're being willfully ignorant if you don't think Dwyane Wade has helped Marquette land recruits over the last five years.

[Galway Eagle]

Source?

I don't know, Chicos found the interview that I remembered reading just read his quote of it. 

[Lennys Tap]

Other than committing the great sin of being seen wearing IU shorts (gasp!), how exactly is Dwyane Wade linked with Indiana? Because he has nice things to say about Tom Crean?
Boy, if Buzz leaves, I better never, ever hear Jim Butler or Jae Crowder speak kindly of him. That would make them traitors or something something.

And you're being willfully ignorant if you don't think Dwyane Wade has helped Marquette land recruits over the last five years.

I'm not upset about the IU shorts all that much and if you actually read my post I'm clear that it's Tom Crean who's regularly associating himself (and thereby Indiana) with Dwyane, not the other way around.

As for being willfully ignorant about all the recruits Wade has delivered to Marquette in the last 5 years, I don't think it's willful on my part but I am ignorant. Who are they?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Source?

Here's what I found.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-03-29/news/sfl-miami-heat-dwyane-wade-s032293_1_dwyane-wade-new-orleans-hornets-miami-hurricanes

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm not upset about the IU shorts all that much and if you actually read my post I'm clear that it's Tom Crean who's regularly associating himself (and thereby Indiana) with Dwyane, not the other way around.

As for being willfully ignorant about all the recruits Wade has delivered to Marquette in the last 5 years, I don't think it's willful on my part but I am ignorant. Who are they?

Wade is just as much touting Crean.

As stated earlier, be very careful what you are suggesting in terms of "delivering" recruits.  Per NCAA rules, JFB, Wes, etc didn't deliver any either since as boosters they are not allowed to have direct contact with them.

Now, if you go and do a search on certain recruits and they mention MU is the school that went to the Final Four, had Dwyane Wade, plays in the Big East, etc....I think you will find he's had plenty of impact by merely elevating MU to a certain status.  Hopefully NONE of our former players are the ultimate reason they go to MU, quite frankly.  It should be part of the reason, but not the reason.

I don't think Wes or JFB deliver 500 combined if they show up at the book store, just one of many examples.  That's not a swipe at either of those guys...Wes is one of my all-time favorites and how can you not love JFB.  But Wade is Wade.

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/091112aaa.html

[MUSF]

WTF?!

Wade likes Crean. Crean likes Wade. Get over it!

If either of the above makes you like Wade less, I think your hatred for Crean has reached irrational levels. He isn't the antichrist.

[jesmu84]

Agree that public/media link is wade to MU. However, also agree that wade still loves and is a big part of creans life. So if a recruit asked wade, wades response if he should play for iu or mu, that would be my personal determinant whether wade was for mu "first and foremost" or not.

[ChicosBailBonds]

WTF?!

Wade likes Crean. Crean likes Wade. Get over it!

If either of the above makes you like Wade less, I think your hatred for Crean has reached irrational levels. He isn't the antichrist.

Irrational is the name of the game here for some.

[keefe]

Irrational is the name of the game here for some.

Indeed. Yea, verily. Indeed.

[Lennys Tap]

Now, if you go and do a search on certain recruits and they mention MU is the school that went to the Final Four, had Dwyane Wade, plays in the Big East, etc....I think you will find he's had plenty of impact by merely elevating MU to a certain status.  Hopefully NONE of our former players are the ultimate reason they go to MU, quite frankly.  It should be part of the reason, but not the reason.

Please "go and do a search" of Marquette recruits in the past 5 years who came to MU because of a Final 4 in 2003, NITs in 2004 and 2005, first round NCAA losses in 2005 and 2006 or the round of 32 in 2007. One season doesn't elevate you to a certain status. Sustained, consistent excellence does. Recruits come here to play for Buzz, and the guys without split loyalties (including guys who played for both TC and Buzz like Wes) are way more important to the program than D Wade.