Can we be proud of D. Wade?

[GGGG]

The ultrasound was an example of doctors not always right. And glad to hear you got back from your injury alright, but you aren't a franchise point guard who is making 18 million a year with his knees. His knees are his tools and he needs them to do his job and have a career. That's why they limit pitchers coming back from Tommy John surgery. I'd rather have rose strengthen his surgically repaired knee over the summer as opposed to having him come back and be hesitant.

BTW, "strengthening the knee over the summer" simply delays the final stage of the rehab process - playing on it.  His knee was strong enough already.  I mean, he could wait two more years...and still will have to take that last step in the process.

[setyoursightsnorth]

BTW, "strengthening the knee over the summer" simply delays the final stage of the rehab process - playing on it.  His knee was strong enough already.  I mean, he could wait two more years...and still will have to take that last step in the process.

Unless you are a doctor, your opinion on this subject means very little to me.

[GGGG]

Unless you are a doctor, your opinion on this subject means very little to me.

Not my opinion...just saying what the doctors have been saying.

I guess that means "I win."

[forgetful]

The ultrasound was an example of doctors not always right. And glad to hear you got back from your injury alright, but you aren't a franchise point guard who is making 18 million a year with his knees. His knees are his tools and he needs them to do his job and have a career. That's why they limit pitchers coming back from Tommy John surgery. I'd rather have rose strengthen his surgically repaired knee over the summer as opposed to having him come back and be hesitant.

The ultrasound is a horrible example.  One, in your example it is an inherently vague method of analzying the issue, so doctors are bound to disagree.

That is why there are secondary methods of assaying medical conditions.  So that a consensus can be obtained.

The Bulls have access to unlimited medical information and the finest doctors.  When they come to a consensus that he is healthy and that he should play, any action to the contrary is a personal decision not a medically guided one.

As you point out Sultan does not make $18 million a year and thus can think of things differently.  i agree, if Sultan would like to take months extra to recover, by all means do so.

When you are being paid $18 million and the doctors clear you, you play...If you don't you are being a bad employee, teammate and frankly are selfish.

[MU82]

I am not "proud" of Wade. He is not my kid or a close friend.

I admire his basketball ability and am glad that he apparently is healthy enough to once again play as well as he did Thursday. I also like when one of our Golden Warriors "represents," and few if any have done so on the court better than he has. For those who think he invented whining or staring down opponents or trashtalking, check out old film of Bird, Dominique, Isiah, Barkley, etc.

I am not a Heat fan -- or a Spurs fan, for that matter. I just love seeing great basketball. It's why I really enjoy watching LeBron play. His "decision" was silly but it didn't make me hate him (or like him). All I know is that he is the most fun-to-watch basketballer since Jordan and, by the time he is through, he will be regarded as one of the top five basketball players ever. Hell, he's probably already there.

[setyoursightsnorth]

Not my opinion...just saying what the doctors have been saying.

I guess that means "I win."

Sure? I mean, all I said was that I think he made the right decision. But sure.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

He was arguably the biggest piece to our return to relevance. And the fact that he graduated from Marquette still gets us an in with recruits.

I have no team allegiances in the NBA. Can't stand the NBA personally. I cheer for Marquette alumni because it will help our team. Wade and Butler are the two most important alumni Marquette currently has, if we want our school to do well, we need to cheer for them to do well.

[MUSF]

He was arguably the biggest piece to our return to relevance. And the fact that he graduated from Marquette still gets us an in with recruits.

I have no team allegiances in the NBA. Can't stand the NBA personally. I cheer for Marquette alumni because it will help our team. Wade and Butler are the two most important alumni Marquette currently has, if we want our school to do well, we need to cheer for them to do well.

No love for Matthews?

[MUDPT]

The ultrasound is a horrible example.  One, in your example it is an inherently vague method of analzying the issue, so doctors are bound to disagree.

That is why there are secondary methods of assaying medical conditions.  So that a consensus can be obtained.

The Bulls have access to unlimited medical information and the finest doctors.  When they come to a consensus that he is healthy and that he should play, any action to the contrary is a personal decision not a medically guided one.

As you point out Sultan does not make $18 million a year and thus can think of things differently.  i agree, if Sultan would like to take months extra to recover, by all means do so.

When you are being paid $18 million and the doctors clear you, you play...If you don't you are being a bad employee, teammate and frankly are selfish.

Without looking up all of the details, his PHYSICIANS cleared him to play.  And when PHYSICIANS clear someone to play, here is what happens:  D Rose shows up at the newish Midwest Ortho building next to Rush to see the PHYSICIAN.  The PHYSICIAN, looking at a report from the athletic trainer, physical therapist, etc, moves D Rose's knee around, does a Lachmann test, maybe has him perform a quadriceps set.  At this point, the PHYSICIAN says, your knee looks good, you are good to go (based on a timeline based on thousands of patients).  So do you trust the PHYSICIAN to clear you back to playing a sport at world class level?  

I'm overstating what probably happens, but this really happens on 99% of all return to play decisions.  Surgeons do a wonderful job of putting people back together, but frankly they have no business (literally) in the rehabilitation process or decisions on return to play.  Those should be left to rehabilitation professionals (again athletic trainers or physical therapists) who work with these people multiple times per week.  So when D Rose is cleared by his doctor, it really means nothing to me.  It's what he looks like on the court, what his functional measures are that is way more important.  Unfortunately, 99% of us have no idea what those things are and are left to speculate on what actually is going on.

It's stupid to argue anyway. The Bulls weren't going to beat the Heat with Rose anyway.

[ChicosBailBonds]

So your hater's head will explode if the Blackhawks win?

I don't hate the Blackhawks.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I agree with this.

But I think a big reason for the hatred you ignored was the way Lebron left Cleveland and went to Miami, not so much that they joined up.

Not trying to ignore it....especially since both my parents are from Cleveland and I have tons of family back there.  That city can't catch a break.  He got some bad advice with the whole Decision thing, but generally I find Lebron to be a decent bloak considering the attention he gets.  He's generally unselfish on the court, gets his teammates involved (for which he is persecuted by the experts). 

He's a free agent after next season.  Watch how many haters become suitors during the process.  The hypocrisy will be delicious, especially out here in L.A. where they can't stand the guy but will sell their left nut to get him so the bandwagon can reload.  LOL

[ChicosBailBonds]

He was arguably the biggest piece to our return to relevance. And the fact that he graduated from Marquette still gets us an in with recruits.

I have no team allegiances in the NBA. Can't stand the NBA personally. I cheer for Marquette alumni because it will help our team. Wade and Butler are the two most important alumni Marquette currently has, if we want our school to do well, we need to cheer for them to do well.

Did he graduate?

[keefe]

I find Lebron to be a decent bloak

I hear he is a decent bloke, too

[Galway Eagle]

Did he graduate?

Nope.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I hear he is a decent bloke, too

Sorry

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

No love for Matthews?

I love Matthews but Wade is a superstar and Butler plays for a winning team in the heart of our recruiting territory. Both can do more for us in terms of recruiting than Matthews can.

[MUSF]

I love Matthews but Wade is a superstar and Butler plays for a winning team in the heart of our recruiting territory. Both can do more for us in terms of recruiting than Matthews can.

Makes sense.

[Lennys Tap]

I love Matthews but Wade is a superstar and Butler plays for a winning team in the heart of our recruiting territory. Both can do more for us in terms of recruiting than Matthews can.

Mathews really helped with Blue and I've seen him at several games. JFB will probably help down the line. I see Wade linked much more with Crean/IU than Marquette these days (mostly by Crean). Who has he helped us get in the last 5 years?

[MUSF]

Mathews really helped with Blue and I've seen him at several games. JFB will probably help down the line. I see Wade linked much more with Crean/IU than Marquette these days (mostly by Crean). Who has he helped us get in the last 5 years?

I would think Mathews choosing MU over UW, getting shunned by his hometown, then getting the last laugh by having such a successful career is helpful to in-state recruiting. He kind of reconfirmed that it's okay to stay in-state and pick MU over UW.

[Lennys Tap]

I would think Mathews choosing MU over UW, getting shunned by his hometown, then getting the last laugh by having such a successful career is helpful to in-state recruiting. He kind of reconfirmed that it's okay to stay in-state and pick MU over UW.

Agree 100%

[willie warrior]

Agree 100%

Have not heard that Mathews was instrumental in getting Blue for us. I always thought it was Buzz.

[🏀]

Have not heard that Mathews was instrumental in getting Blue for us. I always thought it was Buzz.

Well, then you just heard it.

[buckchuckler]

How is this thread this long.  Haven't read any of it.  Be proud of whoever the f you want and don't give a crap what message board people think. 

[keefe]

It's just like Max Mercy in The Natural..." you see kid whether you win or lose, I'm gonna have me a great story" (or something like that).

The Natural was one of the great works of 20th Century American Literature. Bernard Malamud and Saul Bellow were exceptional writers who provided a unique alternative view into the mid-century American experience. Malamud was perhaps the most qualified to provide insight into that most conspicuously American characteristic – The Second Chance.

Growing up in the squalid Jewish tenements of Brooklyn, Malamud was keenly aware of the scorn, antipathy, and animus the Gentile world held for his people. In particular, he was deeply affected by stories of anti-Semitic pogroms in Tsarist Russia which he served as the inspiration for his masterwork, The Fixer.

But with The Natural, Malamud embraced the innocence and acceptance that was America Coming of Age and baseball provided him the perfect vehicle for a New World Redemption story. Malamud genuinely loved baseball for its unabashed iconic Americanism. He invested in Roy Hobbs the hopes, dreams, and aspirations of yet another forlorn limb of the diaspora. And in true Jewish sardonic fatalism Hobbs proves to be all too human and defaults on the promise of that most precious of gifts - another opportunity.

Malamud borrowed generously from baseball's pre-war Golden Era. Max Mercy was clearly Ring Lardner, while Judge Banner is Charles Comiskey, and The Whammer is Babe Ruth. Hollywood made a movie that is only loosely based on the book. The point of Roy Hobbs is a cynical take on Man's Imperfection. Malamud's character was imbued with a substantial degree of human frailty and those salacious appetites would ultimately consume him. Robert Redford turned Hobbs into a sophisticated and much too clever WASP who had learned from the past and was therefore impervious to Temptation. Redford's Hobbs triumphed over all adversities and in fulfilling his destiny became the latest apologue in the American allegory. 

[MUHoopsFan2]

What are you talking [typing] about?

Get real.

Dwayne Wade is MU Basketball...to many. A godsend to this University. If he does not take this team to where he did in 2003, everything else is irrelevant today.

Every game he is on National TV and every time he is introduce and every ring he wins, MU is mentioned and benefits in some form or fashion in way you can't even calculate.

Please don't get me started. I am in a good mood. Don't rail on Wade to me. He is the man. You're not perfect either. He is...as far as a basketball player to me.   

Next silly question.