Can we be proud of D. Wade?

[EnderWiggen]

For good reason too. They make themselves unlikable. They really do deserve the hate they get cause they really are super arrogant. For as good as they think they are you would have thought they went 82-0.

Man, i remember hearing this argument back in the 90s about a different team. 

[Ellenson Guerrero]

Man, i remember hearing this argument back in the 90s about a different team. 

I don't recall Jordan, Scottie, and Rodman holding a pep rally and claiming they'd win 7 titles before stepping foot on the court together. IMHO its perfectly fair to hate on the Heat. They brought it on themselves with the summer of sham.

[MUSF]

For good reason too. They make themselves unlikable. They really do deserve the hate they get cause they really are super arrogant. For as good as they think they are you would have thought they went 82-0. I really dislike the Spurs as well but for this one series I hope they whip the Heat the next two games.

Besides the pep rally, give me an example of how they make themselves unlikable and display their super arrogance. I understand that one event made the Heat unlikable to many, but that was years ago.

The Heat are no more arrogant than most of the great teams of the last two decades. I find it amusing that people can call the Heat arrogant, dirty, and whiners then turn around and root for the Spurs. Coach P is an arrogant bully, Ginobili is the biggest flopper of all time, and the Spurs big three whine to officials after literally every call against them.

[Silkk the Shaka]

If you're not proud of D-Wade, you're not a real Marquette fan.  So says I and I am the decider of all things!

[setyoursightsnorth]

Besides the pep rally, give me an example of how they make themselves unlikable and display their super arrogance. I understand that one event made the Heat unlikable to many, but that was years ago.

The Heat are no more arrogant than most of the great teams of the last two decades. I find it amusing that people can call the Heat arrogant, dirty, and whiners then turn around and root for the Spurs. Coach P is an arrogant bully, Ginobili is the biggest flopper of all time, and the Spurs big three whine to officials after literally every call against them.

The main reason, which isn't to say it's the only reason, why I hate the heat is the way that team was assembled and all the media hype around them. You have LBJ betraying his hometown organization and being a ring chaser. They became the New York Yankees of basketball. The Big three screwed over 2 franchises. They took the easy way out, and I don't have any respect for that. The first year they were together, people were hailing them as the best team to ever play, even one that could win more than 72 games, before one was even played. I'm sick and tired of the heat. You hear about LBJ everywhere. When he hit 20k or whatever to become the youngest player to get to that point, people were hailing him as the greatest. But he had at least a three year headstart over nearly everyone. Great like Wilt, Jordan, and Kareem went to college. It took LeBron something like 3000 more shots to reach 20k as opposed to Wilt, who played when there was no 3 point line.

So, the media over exposing their every move and them taking the easy way out is why I hate them. I have got no respect for teams that cut corners.

[MUSF]

The main reason, which isn't to say it's the only reason, why I hate the heat is the way that team was assembled and all the media hype around them. You have LBJ betraying his hometown organization and being a ring chaser. They became the New York Yankees of basketball. The Big three screwed over 2 franchises. They took the easy way out, and I don't have any respect for that. The first year they were together, people were hailing them as the best team to ever play, even one that could win more than 72 games, before one was even played. I'm sick and tired of the heat. You hear about LBJ everywhere. When he hit 20k or whatever to become the youngest player to get to that point, people were hailing him as the greatest. But he had at least a three year headstart over nearly everyone. Great like Wilt, Jordan, and Kareem went to college. It took LeBron something like 3000 more shots to reach 20k as opposed to Wilt, who played when there was no 3 point line.

So, the media over exposing their every move and them taking the easy way out is why I hate them. I have got no respect for teams that cut corners.

This is ridiculous.

[Lennys Tap]

Because some fans want nothing more than to see Lebron lose or the Heat to lose.  Haters are going to hate and heads explode when the haters lose.  The  Heat, and Lebron in particular, have a lot of haters.

So your hater's head will explode if the Blackhawks win?

[setyoursightsnorth]

I didn't mean shots. That doesn't make sense. LBJ had at least a couple hundred games of a head start over many players.

[setyoursightsnorth]

This is ridiculous.

How so?  A team like the heat who collected a group of hall of famers, players that planned this at their draft, take the easy way out, which warrants hate and lack of respect. That's why no one outside of NY likes the Yankees. And hardly anyone outside of Miami likes the heat.

[GGGG]

The main reason, which isn't to say it's the only reason, why I hate the heat is the way that team was assembled and all the media hype around them. You have LBJ betraying his hometown organization and being a ring chaser. They became the New York Yankees of basketball. The Big three screwed over 2 franchises.

LBJ didn't owe anything to Cleveland much less this "betray" BS.  And last I checked, none of them broke a contract.  And as for being a "ring chaser," that has a long history in professional sports.  Wilt himself did it.  So it's hard for me to blame him for that.

That's why no one outside of NY likes the Yankees. And hardly anyone outside of Miami likes the heat.

Uhh...you sure about that???  Because I think you are wrong on both counts.

[Spotcheck Billy]

I love Wade but I am pulling for Duncan to win one more title.

[setyoursightsnorth]

Uhh...you sure about that???  Because I think you are wrong on both counts.

Positive. Fans outside of those two cities and states are minorities. Everyone is always pulling against them. The vast amount of people despise those teams. Similar to the Patriots of the NFL. Hard to find support for them outside of New England

[Lennys Tap]

Dwyane Wade looked liked he jumped into a time machine last night and returned to circa 2006. He looked healthy and when healthy he's still one of the best. I also think someone had a conversation with him late in the Indiana series about his on court demeanor - he's been on his best behavior of late, which pleases me no end.

[GGGG]

Positive. Fans outside of those two cities and states are minorities. Everyone is always pulling against them. The vast amount of people despise those teams. Similar to the Patriots of the NFL. Hard to find support for them outside of New England

Hey, you said "no one" out side NY likes the Yankees.  Now you are saying that "fans outside of those two cities are minorities."  Way to back off your point.

When the Yankees were head and shoulder the best team in MLB, and now that Miami is arguably the best team over the past three years in the NBA, they are the most popular teams.  And their popularity is widespread.  Of course their fans are going to be a minority in other markets, but that doesn't mean that it is limited to their geographic area.

And a lot of people don't like the fair weather fandom and the hype they generate...and it engenders strong feelings on the other side.

But don't pretend that they don't have fans everywhere...cause they do.

[Badgerhater]

Feel free to hate the Heat, but NEVER included Wade in any talk about ring chasers.

Wade was drafted by the Heat and took them to a championship before OTHER players arrived to chase rings.   It is all sorts of wrong to criticize Wade for essentially "recruiting" those players to Miami.   Wade wants to win and he did what was needed to help make that happen.

[Aughnanure]

Positive. Fans outside of those two cities and states are minorities. Everyone is always pulling against them. The vast amount of people despise those teams. Similar to the Patriots of the NFL. Hard to find support for them outside of New England

So wrong. Oh so wrong. Those teams attract more fair weather fans than any. Man, just the amount of times I've ran into "Yankees" fans from Omaha or Des Moines, or Duke fans that have never even been to North Carolina...

[Galway Eagle]

So what are you trying to do with your post?  Maybe you should read it a fourth or fifth time.  "I'm a Bulls fan..."  "I want the Heat to lose because I really hate the collusion/monopoly that the Heat have developed, and because I REALLY WANT THE BULLS...."  I dislike it when MU fans deride one the best MU players of all time because they fans of a pro team he doesn't play on.

So what you're saying is that him saying he is a Bulls fan provoked you? That's a sad way to live.  And then all he does is give a reason that he wants the Heat to lose he didn't directly trash Wade he just said he doesn't like the Heat which is his valid opinion, you came at him with insults attempting to turn it into a fight.  In fact he actually gave the Heat a compliment when he said he wants the Bulls to rival the Heat as the best team of the 2010-2019 decade but I'm guessing you failed to see that because your heart was already set on insulting him because he doesn't worship the Heat.  I'm a bulls fan, I hate the Heat but I love seeing Wade be successful.  Your response will probably be attacking me for not liking the heat even though I mentioned that I love seeing Wade's success.  

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Positive. Fans outside of those two cities and states are minorities. Everyone is always pulling against them. The vast amount of people despise those teams. Similar to the Patriots of the NFL. Hard to find support for them outside of New England

Agree!

There were also never any Bulls fans in the 90's outside of Chicago. EVERYBODY was rooting for Stockton/Malone to win that one!

[MerrittsMustache]

The main reason, which isn't to say it's the only reason, why I hate the heat is the way that team was assembled and all the media hype around them. You have LBJ betraying his hometown organization and being a ring chaser. They became the New York Yankees of basketball. The Big three screwed over 2 franchises. They took the easy way out, and I don't have any respect for that. The first year they were together, people were hailing them as the best team to ever play, even one that could win more than 72 games, before one was even played. I'm sick and tired of the heat. You hear about LBJ everywhere. When he hit 20k or whatever to become the youngest player to get to that point, people were hailing him as the greatest. But he had at least a three year headstart over nearly everyone. Great like Wilt, Jordan, and Kareem went to college. It took LeBron something like 3000 more shots to reach 20k as opposed to Wilt, who played when there was no 3 point line.

So, the media over exposing their every move and them taking the easy way out is why I hate them. I have got no respect for teams that cut corners.

The only thing that bothered me about the assembly of the Heat was "The Decision."

As for a team adding stars, that's how championship teams are built.

- LA traded for Kareem (who forced his way out of Milwaukee)
- Boston traded for Robert Parish
- Houston traded for Clyde Drexler (who forced his way out of Portland)
- Chicago traded for Dennis Rodman
- LA signed Shaq
- Boston traded for Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett (who forced their way out of Seattle and Minnesota)
- Miami signed LeBron and Bosh

Why is what they did wrong but other champion's moves were just good personnel decisions?

[WarriorInNYC]

You have LBJ betraying his hometown organization and being a ring chaser.

This one is funny.  I can understand how Cavaliers fans were upset on the way he left with "the Decision" and the pep rally.  But what did he actually owe to the Cavaliers?  Dan Gilbert never gave LeBron any pieces around him and it was clear that staying in that city, a championship was not going to occur.

Additionally, have you ever heard of the way Carlos Boozer left the Cavaliers????  Funny that LeBron is always brought up, but never Boozer.  Boozer was drafted by the Cavaliers and thus held to the three year rookie contract.  Cleveland wanted to resign him to a bigger deal, but in order to do that needed to release him first per NBA rules.  They had a deal verbally agreed upon, Cleveland then released him so they could resign him.  Boozer then bolted for bigger $$ with the Jazz.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Boozer#Free_agency_controversy

I dont understand that because LeBron grew up in the Cleveland area, that this meant he had to stay.  Also, what is wrong with him wanting to go to a team  that had a much better chance to win?  Was Garnett and Ray Allen criticized when they went to Boston?  How about Charles Barkley when he went to Houston?  

The Big three screwed over 2 franchises. They took the easy way out, and I don't have any respect for that.

They "screwed over" two franchises.  They were free agents!  Were they supposed to stay?  Why should they have stayed with their previous teams?  Are other non-star players that leave their teams via free agency traitors and "screwing over" their previous teams?

Yes, the Decision and the pep rally were ridiculous and extremely egotistical.  But everything that team has done since then has been the opposite.  Yet people still love to hate them, I dont get it.

[WarriorInNYC]

Dwyane Wade looked liked he jumped into a time machine last night and returned to circa 2006. He looked healthy and when healthy he's still one of the best. I also think someone had a conversation with him late in the Indiana series about his on court demeanor - he's been on his best behavior of late, which pleases me no end.

This.  It really does seem as all that talk about him during the Indiana series has had him doing some self-reflecting.

I graduated in 2009, and never followed MU until I started there my freshman year, so D.Wade predates my time.  Thus I root a little more for the successes of Butler, Matthews, Novak, and Crowder as thats who I watched.  But still love watching D.Wade put on a show.  Pulling for the Heat in this one.

[KenoshaWarrior]

The reason why Bulls fans hate the Heat is that LeBron was reported to be joining the Bulls and at the last minute he played with Miami and Bosch wanted to join with him.   
If LeBron joined the Bulls he would have brought Bosch with him and colluded that way but somehow Im sure that wouldnt have been a problem for you.  #FIBLogic

[MU B2002]

How so?  A team like the heat who collected a group of hall of famers, players that planned this at their draft, take the easy way out, which warrants hate and lack of respect.

Technically I believe they planned this during the 2008 Olympics.

[KenoshaWarrior]

Ray Allen is my current favorite player, have really liked him ever since he was a rookie with the Bucks. Also a big Wade fan for obvious reasons. Despite that, I'm still cheering for the Spurs because I hate everything about the Heat.

Does Ray Allen retire as  a Buck or A Celtic??

I really hope it is a Buck but I dont think it will happen.

[JD]

So who's Miami's MVP:

We all know who will win it if they close out the series, but i'd probably go with Mike Miller, or Wade.