Roy Hibbert can dominate playoff games, make $12M a year and barely jump four inches.
How can Chris Otule NOT be picked in the first round next year, assuming he has the same season as he did this year?
Regardless of having only one working eye, Chris is about the same size, is more athletic, and produces similar numbers.
I don't think Otule is more athletic than Hibbert.
Isn't Hibbert something like 7' 2"?
If Chris can make it through next year without getting injury (the first time he will have gone back to back years without injury) then the conversation about his draft status can begin.
Until then no one at the next level will think his body can handle a 82 game season.
Hibbert is only 3 years older than Otule and they've both likely hit their ceilings. Hibbert as a 12-8 guy in the NBA and Otule as a 5-4 guy in college.
Do you have any more of what you are smoking?
Chris Otule has half as many eyes as Roy Hibbert.
Quote from: moomoo on May 06, 2013, 07:36:55 AM
Roy Hibbert can dominate playoff games, make $12M a year and barely jump four inches.
How can Chris Otule NOT be picked in the first round next year, assuming he has the same season as he did this year?
Regardless of having only one working eye, Chris is about the same size, is more athletic, and produces similar numbers.
This is a joke, right?
Hibbert is 7ft 2 inches and was the 17th selection in the draft. He was an NBA All Star in 2012. Comparing Hibbert to Otule is not even close. Get the blue/gold goggles off, please. Just insane off season post.
Roy Hibbert he's not, but if Tom Copa can get 33 games in the NBA then Otule deserves at least a couple hundred. There is no player on any MU team who I would be more pleased to see get picked and make a team.
OX=Tractor Traylor
Otule=Hibbert
JJJ=McGrady?
Quote from: moomoo on May 06, 2013, 07:36:55 AM
Roy Hibbert can dominate playoff games, make $12M a year and barely jump four inches.
How can Chris Otule NOT be picked in the first round next year, assuming he has the same season as he did this year?
Regardless of having only one working eye, Chris is about the same size, is more athletic, and produces similar numbers.
I would love to see you write a history. It would be the craziest thing I ever read with random, inaccurate facts.
Chris will have a masters degree soon and Roy doesn't - I feel like you guys are overlooking something that NBA scouts will surely take into consideration.
Roy Hibbert knocks down the open 10-12 footer. Otule can dunk and hit a hook shot with that being his ceiling.
This is a bad joke.
Quote from: nyg on May 06, 2013, 08:51:04 AM
Hibbert is 7ft 2 inches and was the 17th selection in the draft. He was an NBA All Star in 2012. Comparing Hibbert to Otule is not even close. Get the blue/gold goggles off, please. Just insane off season post.
I disagree. Offseason is when to discuss this, because frankly, there isn't much going on. My point is that rebounds per full game played and FG% are two very important stats for a big bodied center that doesn't move too well. Wouldn't you agree?
Both of those stats for Hibbert in his Junior year of college as compared to Otule this year (effectively, his Junior year)are VERY CLOSE.
If Chris continues to improve and show his health, then there is a chance he can go in the first or second, since there is a lack of true big guys in the NBA, and Hibbert proves that a slow, lumbering big can be an All Star.
I would be inclined to suggest that none of you "shocked posters" would have predicted that Jimmy Butler would have been a FIRST round pick after he finished his Junior year, so take it easy on the "insane" reactions. I'm just stating an observation and would welcome a conversation.
Quote from: moomoo on May 06, 2013, 09:44:48 AM
I disagree. Offseason is when to discuss this, because frankly, there isn't much going on. My point is that rebounds per full game played and FG% are two very important stats for a big bodied center that doesn't move too well. Wouldn't you agree?
Both of those stats for Hibbert in his Junior year of college as compared to Otule this year (effectively, his Junior year)are VERY CLOSE.
If Chris continues to improve and show his health, then there is a chance he can go in the first or second, since there is a lack of true big guys in the NBA, and Hibbert proves that a slow, lumbering big can be an All Star.
I would be inclined to suggest that none of you "shocked posters" would have predicted that Jimmy Butler would have been a FIRST round pick after he finished his Junior year, so take it easy on the "insane" reactions. I'm just stating an observation and would welcome a conversation.
You are comparing a senior who averaged 5/3.5 to a guy who averaged 13/7 as a freshman. Hibbert is also bigger and more athletic. You just don't compare the 2 guys. I'm not saying Otule can't make it to the NBA, I just can't believe you are making the comparison. I wonder if you have watched Hibbert in the NBA, guy has really taken it to a new level after Georgetown. He added skill to has great height and length.
Per 36 numbers are BS. Once you become a main piece of an offense, your numbers take a hit because defenses center around you and you aren't as fresh. It's hard to shoot 60% when we have to actually score on defenses instead of getting put backs and taking hand-offs on drives for easy lay-ups.
Quote from: moomoo on May 06, 2013, 09:44:48 AM
I disagree. Offseason is when to discuss this, because frankly, there isn't much going on. My point is that rebounds per full game played and FG% are two very important stats for a big bodied center that doesn't move too well. Wouldn't you agree?
Both of those stats for Hibbert in his Junior year of college as compared to Otule this year (effectively, his Junior year)are VERY CLOSE.
If Chris continues to improve and show his health, then there is a chance he can go in the first or second, since there is a lack of true big guys in the NBA, and Hibbert proves that a slow, lumbering big can be an All Star.
A few things...
FG% is a stat, but it doesn't tell what types of shots they are taking. Hibbert's offensive game is much more diverse. He can score in more ways that Otule can.
Hibbert is three inches taller than Chris.
I don't know why you call Hibbert "slow and lumbering." He certainly isn't fast, but he's more athletic than you are giving him credit for.
And let me finally say that if there really is a chance for Otule to be drafted, he should have come out this year. Weak draft class...coming off a full year without injury... But since it really was never in the discussion, my guess is that it is because he isn't as good of a prospect as you think he is.
I just can't believe folks aren't discussing the odds of Jake Thomas being the next Steve Nash!
Quote from: MU82 on May 06, 2013, 10:19:20 AM
I just can't believe folks aren't discussing the odds of Jake Thomas being the next Steve Nash!
Don't be racist. Thomas=Ray Allen. Both were great 3 shooters in college. If Ray can be a top 5 pick, Thomas can be drafted.
So apparently we had Roy Hibbert, Charles Barkley, Iman Shumpert, and Steve Nash on our team, and we still only made it to the elite eight?
Quote from: moomoo on May 06, 2013, 09:44:48 AM
I disagree. Offseason is when to discuss this, because frankly, there isn't much going on. My point is that rebounds per full game played and FG% are two very important stats for a big bodied center that doesn't move too well. Wouldn't you agree?
Both of those stats for Hibbert in his Junior year of college as compared to Otule this year (effectively, his Junior year)are VERY CLOSE.
If Chris continues to improve and show his health, then there is a chance he can go in the first or second, since there is a lack of true big guys in the NBA, and Hibbert proves that a slow, lumbering big can be an All Star.
I would be inclined to suggest that none of you "shocked posters" would have predicted that Jimmy Butler would have been a FIRST round pick after he finished his Junior year, so take it easy on the "insane" reactions. I'm just stating an observation and would welcome a conversation.
The only "shocked" thing about the post is even mentioning Otule as a draft prospect.
"Insane" because other threads have been comparing MU players to NBA players, but comparing Otule to an NBA all star is insane.
If Otule played for another team besides MU, any team, this wouldn't be a point of conversation. Take the blue/gold goggles off. Appreciate your MU pride though.
Cadougan=Nate Robinson
Juan Anderson=Kobe
Jamil Wilson=Chris Bosh
Quote from: nyg on May 06, 2013, 11:00:48 AM
The only "shocked" thing about the post is even mentioning Otule as a draft prospect.
"Insane" because other threads have been comparing MU players to NBA players, but comparing Otule to an NBA all star is insane.
If Otule played for another team besides MU, any team, this wouldn't be a point of conversation. Take the blue/gold goggles off. Appreciate your MU pride though.
Ok, u got me. I do wear the glasses. But look at last year alone. Fab Freakin Melo was drafted 22nd in first round and he could do NOTHING except block shots. I know he has been a disappointment in the pros,but he was a first round pick. I only brought up Hibbert because I saw him play again this weekend and he really does lumber around somewhat like Chris.
CO>FabMelo means CO is a lock for first round pick........just kidding (I think)
Quote from: willie warrior on May 06, 2013, 11:06:42 AM
Cadougan=Nate Robinson
Juan Anderson=Kobe
Jamil Wilson=Chris Bosh
Vander Blue=Brian Scalabrine?
Quote from: MU82 on May 06, 2013, 10:19:20 AM
I just can't believe folks aren't discussing the odds of Jake Thomas being the next Steve Nash!
Nah. Jake=Jerry West
This reminds me of the Sklar brothers' Jose Oquendo routine.
The NBA is so fast pace that Otule sight will be a major disability. Not to mention his bad legs.
Quote from: moomoo on May 06, 2013, 11:14:30 AM
Ok, u got me. I do wear the glasses. But look at last year alone. Fab Freakin Melo was drafted 22nd in first round and he could do NOTHING except block shots.
And blocked more of them in a season than CO ever has, all while averaging 8 points and 6 rebounds as a 21 year old.
Chris is 23 right now.
How can you possibly say Otule has any chance in the NBA. He is terrible. He has no hands, falls over his own feet and got lucky a couple of times last year. If he was a freshmen next year, then he might have a chance to be half way good.
He's not terrible...he's not Roy Hibbert.
Man this board loves to deal in extremes.
i can't believe you people can't see that having one eye helps CO. Periphial vision acts as a distraction. He can focus much better at the task at hand than any full person ever could. Ask any sleight of hand magician.
Otule, aka Hibbert, is puttin' an ass kickin' on the Knicks.
I noticed that Alex Oriakhi didnt get an invite to the combine. He is a much better player, imo, than CO.
And I think the reason Fab Melo went 22nd in the draft was because gm's were intrigued by his development considering he had only played a couple of years of organized basketball. It wouldnt shock me if he had a career similar to Nazr Mohammed's.
Quote from: RawdogDX on May 08, 2013, 04:10:33 PM
i can't believe you people can't see that having one eye helps CO. Periphial vision acts as a distraction. He can focus much better at the task at hand than any full person ever could. Ask any sleight of hand magician.
I have one eye, in no way does it help anyone trying to play sports.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 11, 2013, 09:32:57 PM
Otule, aka Hibbert, is puttin' an ass kickin' on the Knicks.
Otule, aka Hibbert, looked very fab Melo a couple games earlier. 3 for 15? Ouch.
The comparison at this point is absolutely ludicrous, but if there's one thing I've learned about this program, it's that you can never rule out the possibility of any starter player playing starter minutes from making it to the NBA. I've been pleasantly taken aback time and again.
Quote from: windyplayer on May 12, 2013, 10:07:36 PM
The comparison at this point is absolutely ludicrous, but if there's one thing I've learned about this program, it's that you can never rule out the possibility of any starter player playing starter minutes from making it to the NBA. I've been pleasantly taken aback time and again.
Not in this case...I regret to inform you. I love Christ, I mean Chris. But his
peripheral vision restriants as crass as it seems and as guilty as I feel to say it will limit his usefulness in the faster paced NBA.
Plus Hibbert is a guy who can hit the 15-20 footer if he wanted to and has an array of go to move he is developing.
I am not saying that Chris cannot develop that but Roy Hibbert is a little too much for you to be comparing him to even just to stir conversation.
It does both men a disservice in the comparison. But if you want to compare him to someone I think you got the wrong teammate.
He can be a guy like Ian Mahinmi if you are at all familiar with him. That is more his speed. Not Hibbert. Roy is highly skilled. Chris is fundamentally sound but it would be a huge leap for him to get to there.
But on a physicality standpoint and a stay in front of your man standpoint I can see Chris making it if some team really likes his character.
But no scout on this earth is going to stake his reputation on drafting him in the first two rounds of the NBA draft unless the Warriors in the NCAA next year and he is Tournament MVP.
Possible, but not likely. But you never know. He will be a force next year if they use him correctly and the inside/outside game works. No one will pull for him more then me.
No ill will intended. He is a great favorite of mine since I have been at MU... but I am just being honest. I think you know this yourself.
Quote from: RawdogDX on May 08, 2013, 04:10:33 PM
i can't believe you people can't see that having one eye helps CO. Periphial vision acts as a distraction. He can focus much better at the task at hand than any full person ever could. Ask any sleight of hand magician.
It doesn't you don't know more then anyone else in here who has some common sense. It does not help him. Stop it...
You have no precedent anywhere in this. Don't waste time arguing this and trying to make it seem like you know something we don't.
You don't. And I am sure that you do even play basketball and if you do then you don't play in the NBA. If you do, I stand corrected and I still disagree with you.
I play basketball and trust me, you need your vision on that Roy Hibbert or NBA Pro level.
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on May 13, 2013, 12:46:34 AM
It doesn't you don't know more then anyone else in here who has some common sense. It does not help him. Stop it...
You have no precedent anywhere in this. Don't waste time arguing this and trying to make it seem like you know something we don't.
You don't. And I am sure that you do even play basketball and if you do then you don't play in the NBA. If you do, I stand corrected and I still disagree with you.
I play basketball and trust me, you need your vision on that Roy Hibbert or NBA Pro level.
what? So you play hoops in the NBA? Take it easy on the "I play basketball" friend, because many of us played CYO just like you. Additionally, your argument would also suggest that there is no way a person with Chris's eye situation could ever be even close to competitive on ANY college basketball level, yet he was a starter on a Big East team that went to the Elite 8. I agree that full vision is better than diminished vision, but you don't need to "play basketball" to know this.
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on May 13, 2013, 12:37:10 AM
Plus Hibbert is a guy who can hit the 15-20 footer if he wanted to and has an array of go to move he is developing.
I am not saying that Chris cannot develop that but Roy Hibbert is a little too much for you to be comparing him to even just to stir conversation.
It does both men a disservice in the comparison.
Perhaps I should have made my post more clear "absolutely [INSERT: insanely, ridiculously, stupidly] ludicrous." My whole point was that I would not rule Otule out as an NBA prospect. Yes, he has one eye, but he's effective at a high level, which usually means you have a chance.
Maybe Mark Madsen would be a better comparison. No offensive skill set, just a tall, energy guy that can block shots and rebound the ball. Not that I think Otule has the same tenacity as Mad Dog did, but at least offensive skill sets are a better comparison.
Quote from: chris006 on May 13, 2013, 11:24:42 AM
Maybe Mark Madsen would be a better comparison. No offensive skill set, just a tall, energy guy that can block shots and rebound the ball. Not that I think Otule has the same tenacity as Mad Dog did, but at least offensive skill sets are a better comparison.
You mean two-time All American Mark Madsen?
COt isn't on the Stormin' Mormon's level.
Quote from: windyplayer on May 13, 2013, 10:27:17 AM
Perhaps I should have made my post more clear "absolutely [INSERT: insanely, ridiculously, stupidly] ludicrous." My whole point was that I would not rule Otule out as an NBA prospect. Yes, he has one eye, but he's effective at a high level, which usually means you have a chance.
I guess you're right, suggesting Chris is like a poor man's Hibbert is as insanely ludicrous as suggesting vander blue is.....I don't know, maybe a poor man's....Tony Allen.
Quote from: moomoo on May 13, 2013, 12:38:49 PM
I guess you're right, suggesting Chris is like a poor man's Hibbert is as insanely ludicrous as suggesting vander blue is.....I don't know, maybe a poor man's....Tony Allen.
Exactly as insanely ludicrous, except that Blue and Allen are the same size, have comparable athletic ability, were both highly rated recruits and scored at similar rates during their last year of college.
Quote from: RawdogDX on May 13, 2013, 10:50:46 PM
Exactly as insanely ludicrous, except that Blue and Allen are the same size, have comparable athletic ability, were both highly rated recruits and scored at similar rates during their last year of college.
Highly rated recruits? you mean when they were 16? yes, very important data when they have four years of playing AFTER that.
6-11 280 and 7-2 280 are very similar in size, and as for their stats, rebounds per full game played and FG% are two very important stats for a big bodied center that doesn't move too well.
Chris Otule will be the Jimmy Butler of next year's draft. No teal.
I respect your amazing commitment to trollism. You have many people here convinced you are the dumbest person we have ever talked to.
Quote from: RawdogDX on May 13, 2013, 11:30:37 PM
I respect your amazing commitment to trollism. You have many people here convinced you are the dumbest person we have ever talked to.
take it easy rawdog, I am not looking for trouble and I really don't want to take you by your spiked collar and teach you some manners, my canine friend, so let's ease up on the insults. You look at Hibbert and Hasheem Thabeet (number 2 pick in the first round) and it is not crazy to think if Chris has a strong year, stays healthy, that he can't be a late first round pick. A hard working, Marquette bred 7 footer who clogs up the lane, blocks shots, and rebounds, may be of interest to a certain teams. If you disagree and think I am off base, that's fine, but right now he would get ten minutes a game on a couple of NBA teams.
I think you are trolling. I don't believe you actually think that so i won't ask you to name the ten NBA teams that can't find a 6'11 guy who could grab 7 boards a game in college. I'm assuming you read the article where Cadougan talked about needing to learn where to pass the ball so that Otule could catch it. You are hilarious. I wasn't being sarcastic when i said i respect what you are doing here.
Quote from: RawdogDX on May 14, 2013, 07:33:12 AM
I think you are trolling. I don't believe you actually think that so i won't ask you to name the ten NBA teams that can't find a 6'11 guy who could grab 7 boards a game in college. I'm assuming you read the article where Cadougan talked about needing to learn where to pass the ball so that Otule could catch it. You are hilarious. I wasn't being sarcastic when i said i respect what you are doing here.
Ease up, dog. Someone disagrees with you (in SUPPORT of an MU player no less) and you immediately say they are trolling. And then you insult them. Take a look in the mirror, trolldogDX.
Quote from: moomoo on May 14, 2013, 07:25:23 AM
take it easy rawdog, I am not looking for trouble and I really don't want to take you by your spiked collar and teach you some manners, my canine friend, so let's ease up on the insults. You look at Hibbert and Hasheem Thabeet (number 2 pick in the first round) and it is not crazy to think if Chris has a strong year, stays healthy, that he can't be a late first round pick. A hard working, Marquette bred 7 footer who clogs up the lane, blocks shots, and rebounds, may be of interest to a certain teams. If you disagree and think I am off base, that's fine, but right now he would get ten minutes a game on a couple of NBA teams.
He *may* get a flyer on a second round pick. But there is no chance that an NBA team is going to give guaranteed money to an offensively limited, half-blind, older player with bad knees.
And by "may," I mean less than 5% chance.
Quote from: Terror Skink on May 14, 2013, 08:31:38 AM
He *may* get a flyer on a second round pick. But there is no chance that an NBA team is going to give guaranteed money to an offensively limited, half-blind, older player with bad knees.
And by "may," I mean less than 5% chance.
You are being generous because you are a nice guy, Skinkmeister!
Quote from: moomoo on May 14, 2013, 08:22:11 AM
Ease up, dog. Someone disagrees with you (in SUPPORT of an MU player no less) and you immediately say they are trolling. And then you insult them. Take a look in the mirror, trolldogDX.
Exactly, takes one to know one. Also i don't need to take it easy, having a great day. Don't know why you are rejecting this compliment, you did a masterful job here.
Quote from: RawdogDX on May 14, 2013, 12:40:18 PM
Exactly, takes one to know one. Also i don't need to take it easy, having a great day. Don't know why you are rejecting this compliment, you did a masterful job here.
did you really just say, "takes one to know one"? oh boy....you win, rawdog. Take deep breaths, drink lots of liquids, and enjoy the victory.
Man--the MU blinders are big time when people start thinking Otule will be drafted, or that he compares to Hibbert and Fab Melo. My thinking is that Otule is closer to Bill Russel.
Seriously, the Otule story is a nice one and he has worked hard, but what are his career averages after 5 years: about 4 points and rebounds per game? Yes, the NBA likes 7 footers, but usually they have good potential and decent college careers/come from Europe. Chris' career is one marked by injury, and he has limitations: lack of mobility; inability to pass out of the post; inability to put the ball on the floor; and below average FT skills. Hope he improves further next year, and stays healthy, then the speculation can start about his 10 plus year NBA career. Right now-No.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 14, 2013, 01:20:32 PM
Man--the MU blinders are big time when people start thinking Otule will be drafted, or that he compares to Hibbert and Fab Melo. My thinking is that Otule is closer to Bill Russel.
Seriously, the Otule story is a nice one and he has worked hard, but what are his career averages after 5 years: about 4 points and rebounds per game? Yes, the NBA likes 7 footers, but usually they have good potential and decent college careers/come from Europe. Chris' career is one marked by injury, and he has limitations: lack of mobility; inability to pass out of the post; inability to put the ball on the floor; and below average FT skills. Hope he improves further next year, and stays healthy, then the speculation can start about his 10 plus year NBA career. Right now-No.
totally admit it, I wear blinders. Can't help it. But when people act like it is the craziest thing they ever heard, I respectfully disagree. Remember Daniel Orton on Kentucky? He was a reserve on the 2009–10 Wildcats team, where he averaged 3.4 points, 3.3 rebounds, and 1.4 blocks in 13.2 minutes per game. He was picked in the first round of the 2010 NBA Draft.
Quote from: moomoo on May 14, 2013, 01:57:10 PM
totally admit it, I wear blinders. Can't help it. But when people act like it is the craziest thing they ever heard, I respectfully disagree. Remember Daniel Orton on Kentucky? He was a reserve on the 2009–10 Wildcats team, where he averaged 3.4 points, 3.3 rebounds, and 1.4 blocks in 13.2 minutes per game. He was picked in the first round of the 2010 NBA Draft.
Remember Shawn Bradley.
Quote from: moomoo on May 14, 2013, 01:57:10 PM
totally admit it, I wear blinders. Can't help it. But when people act like it is the craziest thing they ever heard, I respectfully disagree. Remember Daniel Orton on Kentucky? He was a reserve on the 2009–10 Wildcats team, where he averaged 3.4 points, 3.3 rebounds, and 1.4 blocks in 13.2 minutes per game. He was picked in the first round of the 2010 NBA Draft.
Daniel who? Is he still in the league, and if so does he get more minutes than the alternate lifestyle guy that just came out--can't remember his name either?
Quote from: moomoo on May 14, 2013, 01:57:10 PM
totally admit it, I wear blinders. Can't help it. But when people act like it is the craziest thing they ever heard, I respectfully disagree. Remember Daniel Orton on Kentucky? He was a reserve on the 2009–10 Wildcats team, where he averaged 3.4 points, 3.3 rebounds, and 1.4 blocks in 13.2 minutes per game. He was picked in the first round of the 2010 NBA Draft.
Orton was a Top ten recruit out of high school and he just did't pan out. Otule was a project.
Moomoo my man, ain't gonna happen. The is no way on this planet that Otule gets drafted or makes an NBA team. I can't imagine what Hibbert, Marc Gasol, Chris Bosh, Tyson Chandler, Noah and the likes would do to him. Early on you admited the blue/gold goggles, now time to move it on.
Quote from: nyg on May 14, 2013, 06:17:17 PM
Orton was a Top ten recruit out of high school and he just did't pan out. Otule was a project.
Moomoo my man, ain't gonna happen. The is no way on this planet that Otule gets drafted or makes an NBA team. I can't imagine what Hibbert, Marc Gasol, Chris Bosh, Tyson Chandler, Noah and the likes would do to him. Early on you admited the blue/gold goggles, now time to move it on.
Well said. I'm on to bluer and golder pastures.
Quote from: moomoo on May 14, 2013, 01:57:10 PM
totally admit it, I wear blinders. Can't help it. But when people act like it is the craziest thing they ever heard, I respectfully disagree. Remember Daniel Orton on Kentucky? He was a reserve on the 2009–10 Wildcats team, where he averaged 3.4 points, 3.3 rebounds, and 1.4 blocks in 13.2 minutes per game. He was picked in the first round of the 2010 NBA Draft.
Are you kidding me? Those numbers were as a freshmen on a stacked team. Per 30, they are on par with Otule when he was a 5th year senior. Then factor in the athletic talent and upside and you aren't helping your case.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on May 14, 2013, 10:42:23 PM
Are you kidding me? Those numbers were as a freshmen on a stacked team. Per 30, they are on par with Otule when he was a 5th year senior. Then factor in the athletic talent and upside and you aren't helping your case.
are YOU kidding me? We have the benefit of hindsight with Daniel Orton!! His "athletic talent" and "upside" that scouts loved were a complete farce, as evidenced by this first round draft pick being out of the league almost before he played a game. In your outrage, you actually proved my point, that there should be no outrage with my opinion of Chris, because upside and raw talent can be a smoke screen when compared to a hard working big body that is not athletically gifted, but does the little things.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on May 14, 2013, 10:42:23 PM
Are you kidding me? Those numbers were as a freshmen on a stacked team. Per 30, they are on par with Otule when he was a 5th year senior. Then factor in the athletic talent and upside and you aren't helping your case.
I'll admit that I was skeptical of moomoo's theory at first. But in an attempt to prove him wrong, i convinced myself that he's onto something here. Have you looked at a mock draft for 2014? Sure there is a lot of talent at some positions, but not at center.
Look at this: http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2014/ (http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2014/)
Pay attention to picks 15-69. Notice something? There is only one true center over 6'9. And he only averages 5 and 2.5.
The 3 centers after that are all international players and one of those is a 7'2" 200 lbs bean pole. Not sure it will be in the first round, but O'tule is going to the league next year!
Quote from: RawdogDX on May 15, 2013, 07:25:37 AM
I'll admit that I was skeptical of moomoo's theory at first. But in an attempt to prove him wrong, i convinced myself that he's onto something here. Have you looked at a mock draft for 2014? Sure there is a lot of talent at some positions, but not at center.
Look at this: http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2014/ (http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2014/)
Pay attention to picks 15-69. Notice something? There is only one true center over 6'9. And he only averages 5 and 2.5.
The 3 centers after that are all international players and one of those is a 7'2" 200 lbs bean pole. Not sure it will be in the first round, but O'tule is going to the league next year!
Dog, your post should forever be known on this thread as the "Miller Beer Game Changing Moment". Let the momentum begin.
Quote from: moomoo on May 15, 2013, 07:11:57 AM
are YOU kidding me? We have the benefit of hindsight with Daniel Orton!! His "athletic talent" and "upside" that scouts loved were a complete farce, as evidenced by this first round draft pick being out of the league almost before he played a game. In your outrage, you actually proved my point, that there should be no outrage with my opinion of Chris, because upside and raw talent can be a smoke screen when compared to a hard working big body that is not athletically gifted, but does the little things.
This is an interesting theory. Because one young, athletic talent with supposed upside flamed out, NBA GMs are going to go in the exact opposite direction and draft and older, less athletic player instead.
This makes absolutely no sense.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on May 14, 2013, 02:24:51 PM
Remember Shawn Bradley.
What about him? Never lived up to his expectations of an early round pick, but ended up playing 12 years in the NBA and making $70M in the process.
Quote from: Terror Skink on May 15, 2013, 07:43:17 AM
This is an interesting theory. Because one young, athletic talent with supposed upside flamed out, NBA GMs are going to go in the exact opposite direction and draft and older, less athletic player instead.
This makes absolutely no sense.
You are correct. That theory makes no sense. But it is not what I am saying. I am simply suggesting that in evaluating college talent, there are no sure things. Therefore, it is not outrageous to suggest that Chris, a work horse big bodied center which are at a premium nowadays, can go first round if he stays healthy and improves certain aspects of his game. For every Howard and Chandler you have a Hibbert and Perkins.
You simply need to stop comparing Otule to Hibbert and Perkins. Yes, Hibbert and Perkins are less athletic than Howard and Chandler...but they are miles ahead of Otule.
Quote from: Terror Skink on May 15, 2013, 07:58:01 AM
You simply need to stop comparing Otule to Hibbert and Perkins. Yes, Hibbert and Perkins are less athletic than Howard and Chandler...but they are miles ahead of Otule.
skinkbomb, Hibbert -- one mile ahead ----Perkins, barely two blocks up the road. But it still doesn't mean CO can't be considered a NBA first rounder.
Quote from: moomoo on May 15, 2013, 08:09:26 AM
skinkbomb, Hibbert -- one mile ahead ----Perkins, barely two blocks up the road. But it still doesn't mean CO can't be considered a NBA first rounder.
Moomoo man, I thought you were headed to the blue/gold pastures. Now Otule is a first round draft pick?
That is just insane.
Quote from: moomoo on May 15, 2013, 08:09:26 AM
skinkbomb, Hibbert -- one mile ahead ----Perkins, barely two blocks up the road. But it still doesn't mean CO can't be considered a NBA first rounder.
Kendrick Perkins was a high school all-American who jumped directly to the NBA. Comparing him to Otule is just silly.
Quote from: nyg on May 15, 2013, 08:12:40 AM
Moomoo man, I thought you were headed to the blue/gold pastures. Now Otule is a first round draft pick?
That is just insane.
my apologies, nyg....every time I think I'm out, they pull me back in.............
Quote from: Terror Skink on May 15, 2013, 08:14:41 AM
Kendrick Perkins was a high school all-American who jumped directly to the NBA. Comparing him to Otule is just silly.
skink, please understand what I am saying.....look at Perk NOW....look at CO NOW.....is Perk that much better?
First of all, yes...Perkins is that much better.
Second, you don't really understand something with regards to the draft and why teams pick certain players. Chris Otule will be *24* by the 2014 draft. He is a good rim protector, but is slow footed, and has an extremely limited offensive game. What upside do you see here?
As a 24 year old, Roy Hibbert was averaging 12.7/7.5 in the NBA - Otule won't come close to those numbers next year in college.
Quote from: moomoo on May 15, 2013, 08:09:26 AM
skinkbomb, Hibbert -- one mile ahead ----Perkins, barely two blocks up the road. But it still doesn't mean CO can't be considered a NBA first rounder.
Hilarious thread first off. How do any of you think Otule will get drafted, let a lone in the first round? Blue felt he had a better chance to get drafted this year instead of next as a fringe 2nd round pick and some here think Otule will be picked in the first round in the 2014 draft?? I'm sorry but there is just no chance.
Quote from: Terror Skink on May 15, 2013, 08:28:33 AM
First of all, yes...Perkins is that much better.
Second, you don't really understand something with regards to the draft and why teams pick certain players. Chris Otule will be *24* by the 2014 draft. He is a good rim protector, but is slow footed, and has an extremely limited offensive game. What upside do you see here?
As a 24 year old, Roy Hibbert was averaging 12.7/7.5 in the NBA - Otule won't come close to those numbers next year in college.
"good protector" "slow footed" "extremely limited offensive game"
you're talking about Perkins, right? the guy who gets significant minutes on a championship caliber team?
That's my point. There should be no "outrage" in these discussions.
Quote from: moomoo on May 15, 2013, 08:19:16 AM
my apologies, nyg....every time I think I'm out, they pull me back in.............
Thats the essence of sports talk. Whether it is on a forum, bar talk or at home, everyone has their opinions on various topics. If everyone had the same opinion, then things could be pretty boring. At times, people on this forum blast people for their opinions in a crude manner, I sort of take the different approach and respect those for sticking to their point and replying in a civil manner.
That being said, you are still crazy. If Otule played anywhere but MU, this would not be a discussion. Chris appears to be a nice kid, who has overcome some hardships with his eye issue and numerous injuries. He was a complete overhaul package coming out of high school and developed into a capable center, who can play probably one half of a college game.
If Chris was on another team, such as Louisville, Kansas, Syracuse, Louisville, North Carolina, and many others, he would be a bench player seeing marginal minutes. Comparisons to NBA players is not even close, whether it is a Hibbert, Perkins, Orton, etc. Like I stated previously, I can not even conceive what would happen if he went against a Chandler, Noah, Howard, Gasol, Bosh, etc. Well, conceive, but it is not going to happen. Ever.
So set a mark in your calendar for this time next year and we'll see what the draft experts report on him. In the mean time, good for you for sticking to your guns. But, you are still insane.......
Quote from: moomoo on May 15, 2013, 08:36:31 AM
"good protector" "slow footed" "extremely limited offensive game"
you're talking about Perkins, right? the guy who gets significant minutes on a championship caliber team?
You are making another false assumption. Kendrick Perkins is 28 years old, with a lot of miles on the tires, and is clearly on the downside of his career.
No NBA GM is going to say "Wow...the Thunder are a championship contender with Kendrick Perkins on the roster. Therefore we need to get someone just like him. Let's draft Otule!!!"
Put it another way. If today's Kendrick Perkins were in the 2014 NBA draft, he wouldn't be drafted either.
Quote from: nyg on May 15, 2013, 08:40:09 AM
Thats the essence of sports talk. Whether it is on a forum, bar talk or at home, everyone has their opinions on various topics. If everyone had the same opinion, then things could be pretty boring. At times, people on this forum blast people for their opinions in a crude manner, I sort of take the different approach and respect those for sticking to their point and replying in a civil manner.
That being said, you are still crazy. If Otule played anywhere but MU, this would not be a discussion. Chris appears to be a nice kid, who has overcome some hardships with his eye issue and numerous injuries. He was a complete overhaul package coming out of high school and developed into a capable center, who can play probably one half of a college game.
If Chris was on another team, such as Louisville, Kansas, Syracuse, Louisville, North Carolina, and many others, he would be a bench player seeing marginal minutes. Comparisons to NBA players is not even close, whether it is a Hibbert, Perkins, Orton, etc. Like I stated previously, I can not even conceive what would happen if he went against a Chandler, Noah, Howard, Gasol, Bosh, etc. Well, conceive, but it is not going to happen. Ever.
So set a mark in your calendar for this time next year and we'll see what the draft experts report on him. In the mean time, good for you for sticking to your guns. But, you are still insane.......
well said. My only retort, besides defending my sanity, is that there are many bigs in the NBA who would get their buts handed to them if they battled Chandler, Howard, Gasol and Bosh. And I will state emphatically that CO will never be that good.
Quote from: Terror Skink on May 15, 2013, 09:11:37 AM
You are making another false assumption. Kendrick Perkins is 28 years old, with a lot of miles on the tires, and is clearly on the downside of his career.
No NBA GM is going to say "Wow...the Thunder are a championship contender with Kendrick Perkins on the roster. Therefore we need to get someone just like him. Let's draft Otule!!!"
Put it another way. If today's Kendrick Perkins were in the 2014 NBA draft, he wouldn't be drafted either.
I see your point and it makes sense, but I disagree. I think there is a big demand for a 28 year old Perkins - someone who can give you five more years of hard defense, good rebounding and some shot blocking. And to take it a step further, I think a strong team with a late first round draft pick that could use some size might...just might....look at Chris.
Quote from: moomoo on May 15, 2013, 10:09:19 AM
I see your point and it makes sense, but I disagree. I think there is a big demand for a 28 year old Perkins - someone who can give you five more years of hard defense, good rebounding and some shot blocking. And to take it a step further, I think a strong team with a late first round draft pick that could use some size might...just might....look at Chris.
You are right there is a demand for 28-year Perkins. Someone who has had 10 years of NBA experience where he has been injury-free. Perkins also has a 7'4" wingspan and is slightly taller.
Quote from: moomoo on May 15, 2013, 07:11:57 AM
are YOU kidding me? We have the benefit of hindsight with Daniel Orton!! His "athletic talent" and "upside" that scouts loved were a complete farce, as evidenced by this first round draft pick being out of the league almost before he played a game. In your outrage, you actually proved my point, that there should be no outrage with my opinion of Chris, because upside and raw talent can be a smoke screen when compared to a hard working big body that is not athletically gifted, but does the little things.
Do you really think Orton right now wouldn't be averaging more than a 5/5 this year as a 5th year senior at Kentucky if he would've stayed?
Seriously, what has Otule done in 5 years at MU that was memorable? Maybe 2 really good games?
Please pretend you are a GM for second. Would you take a guy that is a borderline NBA prospect that you know you could sign cheaply, or would you draft the guy with loads of potential? Orton had 4 blocks 4 different times his freshmen year and showed flashes of talent. I take that 10/10 times.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on May 15, 2013, 11:11:29 AM
You are right there is a demand for 28-year Perkins. Someone who has had 10 years of NBA experience where he has been injury-free. Perkins also has a 7'4" wingspan and is slightly taller.
Perkins tore his acl in the 2010 playoffs
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on May 15, 2013, 11:19:20 AM
Do you really think Orton right now wouldn't be averaging more than a 5/5 this year as a 5th year senior at Kentucky if he would've stayed?
Seriously, what has Otule done in 5 years at MU that was memorable? Maybe 2 really good games?
Please pretend you are a GM for second. Would you take a guy that is a borderline NBA prospect that you know you could sign cheaply, or would you draft the guy with loads of potential? Orton had 4 blocks 4 different times his freshmen year and showed flashes of talent. I take that 10/10 times.
martytherunner, I would likely have picked Orton, to be honest. And I would have been criticized by my boss for making a bad pick, because he did not even come close to panning out.
Quote from: moomoo on May 15, 2013, 07:48:21 AM
You are correct. That theory makes no sense. But it is not what I am saying. I am simply suggesting that in evaluating college talent, there are no sure things. Therefore, it is not outrageous to suggest that Chris, a work horse big bodied center which are at a premium nowadays, can go first round if he stays healthy and improves certain aspects of his game. For every Howard and Chandler you have a Hibbert and Perkins.
Again - comparing Hibbert to Otule. There is no comparison, period. Zero. None. Hibbert can control a game - Otule can never ever do that at an NBA level. Roy has dominated in 2 of the 5 playoff games so far and in his worst game did more that Chris could do on his best night. Hibbert can command a double down low - again, on his best night, it would never happen with Chris.
For the last time there is no comparison.
And incidently, there is also no comparison with Perkins. Don't lump them together as though tey are similar players.
Quote from: 4th and State on May 15, 2013, 08:31:53 AM
Hilarious thread first off. How do any of you think Otule will get drafted, let a lone in the first round? Blue felt he had a better chance to get drafted this year instead of next as a fringe 2nd round pick and some here think Otule will be picked in the first round in the 2014 draft?? I'm sorry but there is just no chance.
Check the facts man. There are no big bodied centers that can rebound and play defense going in the late first-early 2nd. That is CO's spot to own!
Hibbert had the most beautiful rejection of a Carmelo drive, one of the key plays in Indy's Game 6 win.
He also hit a variety of shots throughout the series. Practically Otule's twin!
Quote from: MU82 on May 19, 2013, 10:49:42 PM
Hibbert had the most beautiful rejection of a Carmelo drive, one of the key plays in Indy's Game 6 win.
He also hit a variety of shots throughout the series. Practically Otule's twin!
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Chris can do this, but he'd have to get up and down the court very quickly, which he has trouble doing.
Chris Jr. got 29 and 10 tonight.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 24, 2013, 10:28:30 PM
Chris Jr. got 29 and 10 tonight.
And 19, 9 and 2 blocks in game #1.
BTW, Paul George is a playaaaa.....
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 24, 2013, 10:28:30 PM
Chris Jr. got 29 and 10 tonight.
"If only I could be as good as Chris Otule someday." -- Roy Hibbert
Quote from: nyg on May 24, 2013, 10:33:58 PM
And 19, 9 and 2 blocks in game #1.
BTW, Paul George is a playaaaa.....
Love his game.
Quote from: MU82 on May 25, 2013, 09:27:51 PM
"If only I could be as good as Chris Otule someday."
-- Roy Hibbert
Yeah, I'll bet Hibbert is already planning his retirement party so he can get out of the league before Otule arrives to shut him down in games. The Heat need to draft Otule so they have a stopper on guys like Hibbert, Chandler, Gasol, etc. And please everybody, don't moan about Otule FT ability. It is every bit as good as Shaq, Howard,etc.
Otule to the Heat as a first rounder--it is starting to sound better each time one thinks about it. Otule is as good as the stiff that used to be their starting center but now never gets in a game.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 26, 2013, 06:06:04 AM
Yeah, I'll bet Hibbert is already planning his retirement party so he can get out of the league before Otule arrives to shut him down in games. The Heat need to draft Otule so they have a stopper on guys like Hibbert, Chandler, Gasol, etc. And please everybody, don't moan about Otule FT ability. It is every bit as good as Shaq, Howard,etc.
Otule to the Heat as a first rounder--it is starting to sound better each time one thinks about it. Otule is as good as the stiff that used to be their starting center but now never gets in a game.
I love Chris at MU and thrilled he's back for Season 6, but I'm having trouble stifling a laugh as I think of Chris trying to catch one of LeBron's no-look passes.
Hibbert: 20 and 17 in game 3. Heat management are now thoroughly entrenched on finding a dominant big for the draft. Rumor is that Otule will be their guy in the first round, and he will immediately be thrown in the fray to guard Howard, Gasol, Hibbert, Chandler, and any other NBA big prima donna.
This thread is ridiculous. I really hope most of you are joking about CO's potential.
Looking for a solid season from Chris, but the Hibbert comparison is way off the board. Silly thread.
I still have Chris in a fight!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1652811-wait-72-indiana-pacers-center-roy-hibbert-does-mma?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=cnn-br-bin&hpt=hp_bn8 (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1652811-wait-72-indiana-pacers-center-roy-hibbert-does-mma?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=cnn-br-bin&hpt=hp_bn8)
Hibbert: 23 and 12 in Game 4. Can you imagine when Otule hits the Big Show? Otule will be a dominant big in the NBA for years. He would easily displace Joel Anthony to give the Heat the inside dominance they need on both ends of the court. Back up the Brinks truck to Chris' pad!
Przemek Karnowski....yes Przemek Karnowski....is predicted to be a late FIRST round pick.
Artem Kimenko is projected to be a mid second round pick.
Wang Zhelin is also projected to be a mid second rounder.
In addition, Alec Brown, of the University of Green Bay, in the Horizon League, is projected to be a mid second round pick.
I get it, some muscoopers try to be unbiased, but sometimes they move too far to the other side. The 2014 Draft is lacking in big men, and if Chris has a strong year, there is a good chance he gets drafted. Just look at the names on the board right now.
Quote from: moomoo on May 29, 2013, 07:52:26 AM
Przemek Karnowski....yes Przemek Karnowski....is predicted to be a late FIRST round pick.
Artem Kimenko is projected to be a mid second round pick.
Wang Zhelin is also projected to be a mid second rounder.
In addition, Alec Brown, of the University of Green Bay, in the Horizon League, is projected to be a mid second round pick.
I get it, some muscoopers try to be unbiased, but sometimes they move too far to the other side. The 2014 Draft is lacking in big men, and if Chris has a strong year, there is a good chance he gets drafted. Just look at the names on the board right now.
All of those players are legit 7-footers...who are 3-5 years younger than Otule...and don't have a history of knee/foot problems...and have two eyes (not trying to make fun, it would be a real issue for NBA teams).
Otule is one of my all-time favorite MU players and he's a great role model, but his odds of being drafted into the NBA are only slightly better than mine.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on May 29, 2013, 08:08:09 AM
All of those players are legit 7-footers...who are 3-5 years younger than Otule...and don't have a history of knee/foot problems...and have two eyes (not trying to make fun, it would be a real issue for NBA teams).
Otule is one of my all-time favorite MU players and he's a great role model, but his odds of being drafted into the NBA are only slightly better than mine.
"All of those players are legit 7-footers"
Come on, stacheman, they are all basically the same height, with Chris being stronger and heavier.
"don't have a history of knee/foot problems"
Chris was injury free last year, and got stronger and more agile as the year progressed
the others "have two eyes (not trying to make fun, it would be a real issue for NBA teams)"
But all of them have never played as a member of the physically brutal big East. Chris has proven he can bang and hang with the best of them, so the eye issue could be dismissed.
"Otule is one of my all-time favorite MU players and he's a great role model, but his odds of being drafted into the NBA are only slightly better than mine"
I agree that your mustache alone deserves second round pick consideration.
I really don't understand what Otule has proven at the Beast level. He is a slightly above average big man that took 5 years to develop. He had a couple great games and that is pretty much it. If he averages 12/12 and 3 blocks a game net year, the. Yes he would be a proven beast player. His averages last year were pretty mediocre and limited.
Also, look at howBlair plummeted when teams started to realize he didn't have acls. This was after dominating the BEast. Or how Lacy fell because of fused toe he played on all year at Alabama. Teams don't like taking injury risks and Otule has 2 giant red flags waving at teams.
Quote from: moomoo on May 29, 2013, 08:26:46 AM
"All of those players are legit 7-footers"
Come on, stacheman, they are all basically the same height, with Chris being stronger and heavier.
"don't have a history of knee/foot problems"
Chris was injury free last year, and got stronger and more agile as the year progressed
the others "have two eyes (not trying to make fun, it would be a real issue for NBA teams)"
But all of them have never played as a member of the physically brutal big East. Chris has proven he can bang and hang with the best of them, so the eye issue could be dismissed.
"Otule is one of my all-time favorite MU players and he's a great role model, but his odds of being drafted into the NBA are only slightly better than mine"
I agree that your mustache alone deserves second round pick consideration.
Saying that 6'10" and 7'1" are "basically the same height" is like saying that 6'3" and 6'6" are basically the same height.
The injury history is still there.
The eye issue will ALWAYS be a concern for NBA teams.
This isn't even taking into account Otule's lack of NBA athleticism and quickness. Greg Steimsa played in the NBA so it's not completely asinine to say that Otule could get a shot, but I just can't imagine any circumstances under which he gets drafted.
Steimsma is much more athletic than Otule ever was. Once the D-league de-Boed him, he was able to use that athleticism. He was ranked #38 RSCI for the class of 2004.
Moomoo man, I thought you took the blue/gold goggles off for good. Ain't going to happen, ever.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on May 29, 2013, 08:46:50 AM
Saying that 6'10" and 7'1" are "basically the same height" is like saying that 6'3" and 6'6" are basically the same height.
The injury history is still there.
The eye issue will ALWAYS be a concern for NBA teams.
This isn't even taking into account Otule's lack of NBA athleticism and quickness. Greg Steimsa played in the NBA so it's not completely asinine to say that Otule could get a shot, but I just can't imagine any circumstances under which he gets drafted.
Stache, you are correct on the injury issue. You are wrong on the size, on a number of fronts too. You can't compare guards' heights because any delta is off of a smaller base, which means the percentage difference is greater in guards. Secondly, you seem to have subtracted an inch from Chris an added an inch on one of the others. No fair....lol.
6-11 275lbs
7-1 220
7-1 220
7-0 250
I repeat....basically the same size for center purposes.
Quote from: nyg on May 29, 2013, 09:15:49 AM
Moomoo man, I thought you took the blue/gold goggles off for good. Ain't going to happen, ever.
whats up nyg. I took them off....I wear blue/gold contacts now.
Your new contacts are foggy, but I'll give you credit, you stick to your guns. I set a reminder in my calendar for this time next year. Like Bart Scott said "Can't Wait".
Do you think Otule with average something like 14/12 next year or do you think he will be drafted off of 8/8 stats?
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on May 29, 2013, 09:32:22 AM
Do you think Otule with average something like 14/12 next year or do you think he will be drafted off of 8/8 stats?
runningMC, depends on time played, but my blurred contacts envision a 10/10 season, while playing 24 minutes a game.
Crean sucks
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Quote from: moomoo on May 29, 2013, 07:52:26 AM
Przemek Karnowski....yes Przemek Karnowski....is predicted to be a late FIRST round pick.
Artem Kimenko is projected to be a mid second round pick.
Wang Zhelin is also projected to be a mid second rounder.
In addition, Alec Brown, of the University of Green Bay, in the Horizon League, is projected to be a mid second round pick.
I get it, some muscoopers try to be unbiased, but sometimes they move too far to the other side. The 2014 Draft is lacking in big men, and if Chris has a strong year, there is a good chance he gets drafted. Just look at the names on the board right now.
It's great that you are an expert on European players.
I'm guessing that back in the 90s, you would have written:
Dirk Nowitzki ... yes Dirk Nowitzki ... is predicted to be a first-round pick.
Toni Kukoc is projected to be a second-round pick.
If Greg Clausen has a strong year, there is a good chance he gets drafted. Just look at the names on the board right now.
Another embarrassing thread.
Quote from: moomoo on May 29, 2013, 09:40:36 AM
runningMC, depends on time played, but my blurred contacts envision a 10/10 season, while playing 24 minutes a game.
If we get 8/8 out of Otule, that would be amazing!! However, it won't be enough to get drafted by anybody but the Heat, who are salivating over Otule.
Some guy ?? compares Otule to one of the top 5 centers in the NBA and we all go on for 5 pages of this. I can't even believe I am posting again.
But I can't wait for the next thread that he starts!! I think it's called 'living in the bubble" (if I can steal a line from Bill Mahre).
Quote from: brandx on May 29, 2013, 08:05:36 PM
Some guy ?? compares Otule to one of the top 5 centers in the NBA and we all go on for 5 pages of this. I can't even believe I am posting again.
But I can't wait for the next thread that he starts!! I think it's called 'living in the bubble" (if I can steal a line from Bill Mahre).
BrandyX....chill. As in real chill...i. All topics and posts are somewhat juvenile when you think about it. That's what makes the back and forth fun. If you hate the banter, why read or post? Just move on, because at the end of the day, this topic is more interesting than threads on Louie Vuitton handbags.