Roy Hibbert -------- Chris Otule

[moomoo]

First of all, yes...Perkins is that much better.

Second, you don't really understand something with regards to the draft and why teams pick certain players.  Chris Otule will be *24* by the 2014 draft.  He is a good rim protector, but is slow footed, and has an extremely limited offensive game.  What upside do you see here? 

As a 24 year old, Roy Hibbert was averaging 12.7/7.5 in the NBA - Otule won't come close to those numbers next year in college.

"good protector"  "slow footed"  "extremely limited offensive game"

you're talking about Perkins, right?  the guy who gets significant minutes on a championship caliber team? 

That's my point.  There should be no "outrage" in these discussions.

[nyg]

my apologies, nyg....every time I think I'm out, they pull me back in.............

Thats the essence of sports talk.  Whether it is on a forum, bar talk or at home, everyone has their opinions on various topics.  If everyone had the same opinion, then things could be pretty boring.  At times, people on this forum blast people for their opinions in a crude manner, I sort of take the different approach and respect those for sticking to their point and replying in a civil manner.

That being said, you are still crazy.  If Otule played anywhere but MU, this would not be a discussion.  Chris appears to be a nice kid, who has overcome some hardships with his eye issue and numerous injuries.  He was a complete overhaul package coming out of high school and developed into a capable center, who can play probably one half of a college game.

If Chris was on another team, such as Louisville, Kansas, Syracuse, Louisville, North Carolina, and many others, he would be a bench player seeing marginal minutes.  Comparisons to NBA players is not even close, whether it is a Hibbert, Perkins, Orton, etc.  Like I stated previously, I can not even conceive what would happen if he went against a Chandler, Noah, Howard, Gasol, Bosh, etc.  Well, conceive, but it is not going to happen. Ever.

So set a mark in your calendar for this time next year and we'll see what the draft experts report on him. In the mean time, good for you for sticking to your guns.  But, you are still insane.......

[GGGG]

"good protector"  "slow footed"  "extremely limited offensive game"

you're talking about Perkins, right?  the guy who gets significant minutes on a championship caliber team? 

You are making another false assumption.  Kendrick Perkins is 28 years old, with a lot of miles on the tires, and is clearly on the downside of his career. 

No NBA GM is going to say "Wow...the Thunder are a championship contender with Kendrick Perkins on the roster.  Therefore we need to get someone just like him.  Let's draft Otule!!!"

Put it another way.  If today's Kendrick Perkins were in the 2014 NBA draft, he wouldn't be drafted either.

[moomoo]

Thats the essence of sports talk.  Whether it is on a forum, bar talk or at home, everyone has their opinions on various topics.  If everyone had the same opinion, then things could be pretty boring.  At times, people on this forum blast people for their opinions in a crude manner, I sort of take the different approach and respect those for sticking to their point and replying in a civil manner.

That being said, you are still crazy.  If Otule played anywhere but MU, this would not be a discussion.  Chris appears to be a nice kid, who has overcome some hardships with his eye issue and numerous injuries.  He was a complete overhaul package coming out of high school and developed into a capable center, who can play probably one half of a college game.

If Chris was on another team, such as Louisville, Kansas, Syracuse, Louisville, North Carolina, and many others, he would be a bench player seeing marginal minutes.  Comparisons to NBA players is not even close, whether it is a Hibbert, Perkins, Orton, etc.  Like I stated previously, I can not even conceive what would happen if he went against a Chandler, Noah, Howard, Gasol, Bosh, etc.  Well, conceive, but it is not going to happen. Ever.

So set a mark in your calendar for this time next year and we'll see what the draft experts report on him. In the mean time, good for you for sticking to your guns.  But, you are still insane.......

well said.  My only retort, besides defending my sanity, is that there are many bigs in the NBA who would get their buts handed to them if they battled Chandler, Howard, Gasol and Bosh.  And I will state emphatically that CO will never be that good. 

[moomoo]

You are making another false assumption.  Kendrick Perkins is 28 years old, with a lot of miles on the tires, and is clearly on the downside of his career. 

No NBA GM is going to say "Wow...the Thunder are a championship contender with Kendrick Perkins on the roster.  Therefore we need to get someone just like him.  Let's draft Otule!!!"

Put it another way.  If today's Kendrick Perkins were in the 2014 NBA draft, he wouldn't be drafted either.

I see your point and it makes sense, but I disagree.  I think there is a big demand for a 28 year old Perkins - someone who can give you five more years of hard defense, good rebounding and some shot blocking.  And to take it a step further, I think a strong team with a late first round draft pick that could use some size might...just might....look at Chris.

[martyconlonontherun]

I see your point and it makes sense, but I disagree.  I think there is a big demand for a 28 year old Perkins - someone who can give you five more years of hard defense, good rebounding and some shot blocking.  And to take it a step further, I think a strong team with a late first round draft pick that could use some size might...just might....look at Chris.

You are right there is a demand for 28-year Perkins. Someone who has had 10 years of NBA experience where he has been injury-free. Perkins also has a 7'4" wingspan and is slightly taller.

[martyconlonontherun]

are YOU kidding me?  We have the benefit of hindsight with Daniel Orton!!  His "athletic talent" and "upside" that scouts loved were a complete farce, as evidenced by this first round draft pick being out of the league almost before he played a game.  In your outrage, you actually proved my point, that there should be no outrage with my opinion of Chris, because upside and raw talent can be a smoke screen when compared to a hard working big body that is not athletically gifted, but does the little things.

Do you really think Orton right now wouldn't be averaging more than a 5/5 this year as a 5th year senior at Kentucky if he would've stayed?

Seriously, what has Otule done in 5 years at MU that was memorable? Maybe 2 really good games?

Please pretend you are a GM for second. Would you take a guy that is a borderline NBA prospect that you know you could sign cheaply, or would you draft the guy with loads of potential? Orton had 4 blocks 4 different times his freshmen year and showed flashes of talent. I take that 10/10 times.

[Smokin' Jae]

You are right there is a demand for 28-year Perkins. Someone who has had 10 years of NBA experience where he has been injury-free. Perkins also has a 7'4" wingspan and is slightly taller.

Perkins tore his acl in the 2010 playoffs

[moomoo]

Do you really think Orton right now wouldn't be averaging more than a 5/5 this year as a 5th year senior at Kentucky if he would've stayed?

Seriously, what has Otule done in 5 years at MU that was memorable? Maybe 2 really good games?

Please pretend you are a GM for second. Would you take a guy that is a borderline NBA prospect that you know you could sign cheaply, or would you draft the guy with loads of potential? Orton had 4 blocks 4 different times his freshmen year and showed flashes of talent. I take that 10/10 times.

martytherunner, I would likely have picked Orton, to be honest.  And I would have been criticized by my boss for making a bad pick, because he did not even come close to panning out.

[brandx]

You are correct.  That theory makes no sense.  But it is not what I am saying.  I am simply suggesting that in evaluating college talent, there are no sure things.  Therefore, it is not outrageous to suggest that Chris, a work horse big bodied center which are at a premium nowadays, can go first round if he stays healthy and improves certain aspects of his game.  For every Howard and Chandler you have a Hibbert and Perkins.  

Again - comparing Hibbert to Otule. There is no comparison, period. Zero. None. Hibbert can control a game - Otule can never ever do that at an NBA level. Roy has dominated in 2 of the 5 playoff games so far and in his worst game did more that Chris could do on his best night. Hibbert can command a double down low - again, on his best night, it would never happen with Chris.

For the last time there is no comparison.

And incidently, there is also no comparison with Perkins. Don't lump them together as though tey are similar players.

[RawdogDX]

Hilarious thread first off.  How do any of you think Otule will get drafted, let a lone in the first round?  Blue felt he had a better chance to get drafted this year instead of next as a fringe 2nd round pick and some here think Otule will be picked in the first round in the 2014 draft??  I'm sorry but there is just no chance.  

Check the facts man.  There are no big bodied centers that can rebound and play defense going in the late first-early 2nd.  That is CO's spot to own!

[MU82]

Hibbert had the most beautiful rejection of a Carmelo drive, one of the key plays in Indy's Game 6 win.

He also hit a variety of shots throughout the series. Practically Otule's twin!

[77ncaachamps]

Hibbert had the most beautiful rejection of a Carmelo drive, one of the key plays in Indy's Game 6 win.

He also hit a variety of shots throughout the series. Practically Otule's twin!

Chris can do this, but he'd have to get up and down the court very quickly, which he has trouble doing.

[4everwarriors]

Chris Jr. got 29 and 10 tonight.

[nyg]

Chris Jr. got 29 and 10 tonight.

And 19, 9 and 2 blocks in game #1. 

BTW, Paul George is a playaaaa.....

[MU82]

Chris Jr. got 29 and 10 tonight.

"If only I could be as good as Chris Otule someday."
-- Roy Hibbert

[4everwarriors]

And 19, 9 and 2 blocks in game #1. 

BTW, Paul George is a playaaaa.....

Love his game.

[willie warrior]

"If only I could be as good as Chris Otule someday."
-- Roy Hibbert

Yeah, I'll bet Hibbert is already planning his retirement party so he can get out of the league before Otule arrives to shut him down in games. The Heat need to draft Otule so they have a stopper on guys like Hibbert, Chandler, Gasol, etc. And please everybody, don't moan about Otule FT ability. It is every bit as good as Shaq, Howard,etc.

Otule to the Heat as a first rounder--it is starting to sound better each time one thinks about it. Otule is as good as the stiff that used to be their starting center but now never gets in a game.

[MU82]

Yeah, I'll bet Hibbert is already planning his retirement party so he can get out of the league before Otule arrives to shut him down in games. The Heat need to draft Otule so they have a stopper on guys like Hibbert, Chandler, Gasol, etc. And please everybody, don't moan about Otule FT ability. It is every bit as good as Shaq, Howard,etc.

Otule to the Heat as a first rounder--it is starting to sound better each time one thinks about it. Otule is as good as the stiff that used to be their starting center but now never gets in a game.

I love Chris at MU and thrilled he's back for Season 6, but I'm having trouble stifling a laugh as I think of Chris trying to catch one of LeBron's no-look passes.

[willie warrior]

Hibbert: 20 and 17 in game 3. Heat management are now thoroughly entrenched on finding a dominant big for the draft. Rumor is that Otule will be their guy in the first round, and he will immediately be thrown in the fray to guard Howard, Gasol, Hibbert, Chandler, and any other NBA big prima donna.

[MUSF]

This thread is ridiculous. I really hope most of you are joking about CO's potential.

[Nukem2]

Looking for a solid season from Chris, but the Hibbert comparison is way off the board.  Silly thread.

[RawdogDX]

I still have Chris in a fight!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1652811-wait-72-indiana-pacers-center-roy-hibbert-does-mma?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=cnn-br-bin&hpt=hp_bn8

[willie warrior]

Hibbert: 23 and 12 in Game 4. Can you imagine when Otule hits the Big Show? Otule will be a dominant big in the NBA for years. He would easily displace Joel Anthony to give the Heat the inside dominance they need on both ends of the court. Back up the Brinks truck to Chris' pad!

[moomoo]

Przemek Karnowski....yes Przemek Karnowski....is predicted to be a late FIRST round pick.

Artem Kimenko is projected to be a mid second round pick. 

Wang Zhelin is also projected to be a mid second rounder. 

In addition, Alec Brown, of the University of Green Bay, in the Horizon League, is projected to be a mid second round pick.

I get it, some muscoopers try to be unbiased, but sometimes they move too far to the other side.  The 2014 Draft is lacking in big men, and if Chris has a strong year, there is a good chance he gets drafted.  Just look at the names on the board right now.