Roy Hibbert -------- Chris Otule

[GGGG]

take it easy rawdog, I am not looking for trouble and I really don't want to take you by your spiked collar and teach you some manners, my canine friend, so let's ease up on the insults.  You look at Hibbert and Hasheem Thabeet (number 2 pick in the first round)  and it is not crazy to think if Chris has a strong year, stays healthy, that he can't be a late first round pick.  A hard working, Marquette bred 7 footer who clogs up the lane, blocks shots, and rebounds, may be of interest to a certain teams.  If you disagree and think I am off base, that's fine, but right now he would get ten minutes a game on a couple of NBA teams.

He *may* get a flyer on a second round pick.  But there is no chance that an NBA team is going to give guaranteed money to an offensively limited, half-blind, older player with bad knees.

And by "may," I mean less than 5% chance. 

[MU82]

He *may* get a flyer on a second round pick.  But there is no chance that an NBA team is going to give guaranteed money to an offensively limited, half-blind, older player with bad knees.

And by "may," I mean less than 5% chance. 

You are being generous because you are a nice guy, Skinkmeister!

[RawdogDX]

Ease up, dog. Someone disagrees with you (in SUPPORT of an MU player no less) and you immediately say they are trolling.  And then you insult them.  Take a look in the mirror, trolldogDX.

Exactly, takes one to know one.  Also i don't need to take it easy, having a great day.  Don't know why you are rejecting this compliment, you did a masterful job here.

[moomoo]

Exactly, takes one to know one.  Also i don't need to take it easy, having a great day.  Don't know why you are rejecting this compliment, you did a masterful job here.

did you really just say, "takes one to know one"?  oh boy....you win, rawdog.  Take deep breaths, drink lots of liquids, and enjoy the victory. 

[willie warrior]

Man--the MU blinders are big time when people start thinking Otule will be drafted, or that he compares to Hibbert and Fab Melo. My thinking is that Otule is closer to Bill Russel.


Seriously, the Otule story is a nice one and he has worked hard, but what are his career averages after 5 years: about 4 points and rebounds per game? Yes, the NBA likes 7 footers, but usually they have good potential and decent college careers/come from Europe. Chris' career is one marked by injury, and he has limitations: lack of mobility; inability to pass out of the post; inability to put the ball on the floor; and below average FT skills. Hope he improves further next year, and stays healthy, then the speculation can start about his 10 plus year NBA career. Right now-No.

[moomoo]

Man--the MU blinders are big time when people start thinking Otule will be drafted, or that he compares to Hibbert and Fab Melo. My thinking is that Otule is closer to Bill Russel.


Seriously, the Otule story is a nice one and he has worked hard, but what are his career averages after 5 years: about 4 points and rebounds per game? Yes, the NBA likes 7 footers, but usually they have good potential and decent college careers/come from Europe. Chris' career is one marked by injury, and he has limitations: lack of mobility; inability to pass out of the post; inability to put the ball on the floor; and below average FT skills. Hope he improves further next year, and stays healthy, then the speculation can start about his 10 plus year NBA career. Right now-No.

totally admit it, I wear blinders.  Can't help it.  But when people act like it is the craziest thing they ever heard, I respectfully disagree.  Remember Daniel Orton on Kentucky?  He was a reserve on the 2009–10 Wildcats team, where he averaged 3.4 points, 3.3 rebounds, and 1.4 blocks in 13.2 minutes per game.  He was picked in the first round of the 2010 NBA Draft.

[Sunbelt15]

totally admit it, I wear blinders.  Can't help it.  But when people act like it is the craziest thing they ever heard, I respectfully disagree.  Remember Daniel Orton on Kentucky?  He was a reserve on the 2009–10 Wildcats team, where he averaged 3.4 points, 3.3 rebounds, and 1.4 blocks in 13.2 minutes per game.  He was picked in the first round of the 2010 NBA Draft.

Remember Shawn Bradley.

[willie warrior]

totally admit it, I wear blinders.  Can't help it.  But when people act like it is the craziest thing they ever heard, I respectfully disagree.  Remember Daniel Orton on Kentucky?  He was a reserve on the 2009–10 Wildcats team, where he averaged 3.4 points, 3.3 rebounds, and 1.4 blocks in 13.2 minutes per game.  He was picked in the first round of the 2010 NBA Draft.

Daniel who? Is he still in the league, and if so does he get more minutes than the alternate lifestyle guy that just came out--can't remember his name either?

[nyg]

totally admit it, I wear blinders.  Can't help it.  But when people act like it is the craziest thing they ever heard, I respectfully disagree.  Remember Daniel Orton on Kentucky?  He was a reserve on the 2009–10 Wildcats team, where he averaged 3.4 points, 3.3 rebounds, and 1.4 blocks in 13.2 minutes per game.  He was picked in the first round of the 2010 NBA Draft.

Orton was a Top ten recruit out of high school and he just did't pan out. Otule was a project.

Moomoo my man, ain't gonna happen.  The is no way on this planet that Otule gets drafted or makes an NBA team.  I can't imagine what Hibbert, Marc Gasol, Chris Bosh, Tyson Chandler, Noah and the likes would do to him.  Early on you admited the blue/gold goggles, now time to move it on. 

[moomoo]

Orton was a Top ten recruit out of high school and he just did't pan out. Otule was a project.

Moomoo my man, ain't gonna happen.  The is no way on this planet that Otule gets drafted or makes an NBA team.  I can't imagine what Hibbert, Marc Gasol, Chris Bosh, Tyson Chandler, Noah and the likes would do to him.  Early on you admited the blue/gold goggles, now time to move it on. 

Well said. I'm on to bluer and golder pastures.

[martyconlonontherun]

totally admit it, I wear blinders.  Can't help it.  But when people act like it is the craziest thing they ever heard, I respectfully disagree.  Remember Daniel Orton on Kentucky?  He was a reserve on the 2009–10 Wildcats team, where he averaged 3.4 points, 3.3 rebounds, and 1.4 blocks in 13.2 minutes per game.  He was picked in the first round of the 2010 NBA Draft.

Are you kidding me? Those numbers were as a freshmen on a stacked team. Per 30, they are on par with Otule when he was a 5th year senior. Then factor in the athletic talent and upside and you aren't helping your case.

[moomoo]

Are you kidding me? Those numbers were as a freshmen on a stacked team. Per 30, they are on par with Otule when he was a 5th year senior. Then factor in the athletic talent and upside and you aren't helping your case.

are YOU kidding me?  We have the benefit of hindsight with Daniel Orton!!  His "athletic talent" and "upside" that scouts loved were a complete farce, as evidenced by this first round draft pick being out of the league almost before he played a game.  In your outrage, you actually proved my point, that there should be no outrage with my opinion of Chris, because upside and raw talent can be a smoke screen when compared to a hard working big body that is not athletically gifted, but does the little things.

[RawdogDX]

Are you kidding me? Those numbers were as a freshmen on a stacked team. Per 30, they are on par with Otule when he was a 5th year senior. Then factor in the athletic talent and upside and you aren't helping your case.

I'll admit that I was skeptical of moomoo's theory at first.  But in an attempt to prove him wrong, i convinced myself that he's onto something here.  Have you looked at a mock draft for 2014?  Sure there is a lot of talent at some positions, but not at center.

Look at this: http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2014/
Pay attention to picks 15-69.  Notice something?  There is only one true center over 6'9.  And he only averages 5 and 2.5.
The 3 centers after that are all international players and one of those is a 7'2" 200 lbs bean pole.  Not sure it will be in the first round, but O'tule is going to the league next year!

[moomoo]

I'll admit that I was skeptical of moomoo's theory at first.  But in an attempt to prove him wrong, i convinced myself that he's onto something here.  Have you looked at a mock draft for 2014?  Sure there is a lot of talent at some positions, but not at center.

Look at this: http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2014/
Pay attention to picks 15-69.  Notice something?  There is only one true center over 6'9.  And he only averages 5 and 2.5.
The 3 centers after that are all international players and one of those is a 7'2" 200 lbs bean pole.  Not sure it will be in the first round, but O'tule is going to the league next year!

Dog, your post should forever be known on this thread as the "Miller Beer Game Changing Moment".  Let the momentum begin.

[GGGG]

are YOU kidding me?  We have the benefit of hindsight with Daniel Orton!!  His "athletic talent" and "upside" that scouts loved were a complete farce, as evidenced by this first round draft pick being out of the league almost before he played a game.  In your outrage, you actually proved my point, that there should be no outrage with my opinion of Chris, because upside and raw talent can be a smoke screen when compared to a hard working big body that is not athletically gifted, but does the little things.

This is an interesting theory.  Because one young, athletic talent with supposed upside flamed out, NBA GMs are going to go in the exact opposite direction and draft and older, less athletic player instead. 

This makes absolutely no sense.

[GGGG]

Remember Shawn Bradley.

What about him?  Never lived up to his expectations of an early round pick, but ended up playing 12 years in the NBA and making $70M in the process.

[moomoo]

This is an interesting theory.  Because one young, athletic talent with supposed upside flamed out, NBA GMs are going to go in the exact opposite direction and draft and older, less athletic player instead. 

This makes absolutely no sense.

You are correct.  That theory makes no sense.  But it is not what I am saying.  I am simply suggesting that in evaluating college talent, there are no sure things.  Therefore, it is not outrageous to suggest that Chris, a work horse big bodied center which are at a premium nowadays, can go first round if he stays healthy and improves certain aspects of his game.  For every Howard and Chandler you have a Hibbert and Perkins.  

[GGGG]

You simply need to stop comparing Otule to Hibbert and Perkins.  Yes, Hibbert and Perkins are less athletic than Howard and Chandler...but they are miles ahead of Otule.

[moomoo]

You simply need to stop comparing Otule to Hibbert and Perkins.  Yes, Hibbert and Perkins are less athletic than Howard and Chandler...but they are miles ahead of Otule.

skinkbomb, Hibbert -- one mile ahead ----Perkins, barely two blocks up the road.  But it still doesn't mean CO can't be considered a NBA first rounder.

[nyg]

skinkbomb, Hibbert -- one mile ahead ----Perkins, barely two blocks up the road.  But it still doesn't mean CO can't be considered a NBA first rounder.

Moomoo man, I thought you were headed to the blue/gold pastures.  Now Otule is a first round draft pick?

That is just insane. 

[GGGG]

skinkbomb, Hibbert -- one mile ahead ----Perkins, barely two blocks up the road.  But it still doesn't mean CO can't be considered a NBA first rounder.

Kendrick Perkins was a high school all-American who jumped directly to the NBA.  Comparing him to Otule is just silly.

[moomoo]

Moomoo man, I thought you were headed to the blue/gold pastures.  Now Otule is a first round draft pick?

That is just insane. 

my apologies, nyg....every time I think I'm out, they pull me back in.............

[moomoo]

Kendrick Perkins was a high school all-American who jumped directly to the NBA.  Comparing him to Otule is just silly.

skink, please understand what I am saying.....look at Perk NOW....look at CO NOW.....is Perk that much better?

[GGGG]

First of all, yes...Perkins is that much better.

Second, you don't really understand something with regards to the draft and why teams pick certain players.  Chris Otule will be *24* by the 2014 draft.  He is a good rim protector, but is slow footed, and has an extremely limited offensive game.  What upside do you see here? 

As a 24 year old, Roy Hibbert was averaging 12.7/7.5 in the NBA - Otule won't come close to those numbers next year in college.

[4th and State]

skinkbomb, Hibbert -- one mile ahead ----Perkins, barely two blocks up the road.  But it still doesn't mean CO can't be considered a NBA first rounder.

Hilarious thread first off.  How do any of you think Otule will get drafted, let a lone in the first round?  Blue felt he had a better chance to get drafted this year instead of next as a fringe 2nd round pick and some here think Otule will be picked in the first round in the 2014 draft??  I'm sorry but there is just no chance.